AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 12 Aug 2013 18:40

Just now there was a 3 hour discussion in Rajya Sabha and I am surprised that even Venkayya Naidu who actively participated in Jai Andhra agitation is talking the Dochukunnaru language. Yesterday his house was attacked in Nellore town. Unfortunately he is not seeing that fact that BJP not dividing AP while in power and now actively supporting division of AP is being actively talked about and BJP people are facing serious problems now in non Telangana areas.

AP NGOs, GOs APSRTC, Revinue employees, PWD etc are all going on strick from mid night today. They agree to co oparate for August 15th Celebrations only. Unfortunately even Docters are going on strick

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2013 01:09

This carton shows CBN's dilemma after Modi's visit to Hyderabad:

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 13 Aug 2013 02:05

It remains surprising to see how little South Andhra has benefitted from the explosive growth of Chennai & Bengluru. The Andhra border is less than 20 km from Chennai, yet no satellite township has sprung up or any special road/rail connectivity. Neither Nellore nor Chittoor have benefited. Hosur is about 40 KM from Bengluru, folks would be surprised to know that the Andhra border is only 60-80 km away in places. Yet no town or enterprise has sprung up to tap into the growth of Bengluru. With the coming of S. Andhra hopefully this region can integrate itself to the growth belt between Chennai & Bengluru. Right now the industrial belt runs in the N.TN corridor from Arakkonam to Coimbatore. Even Mysore has had trouble tapping into the growth directly.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2013 02:13

Theo. I made a long road trip in 1996 & 2000 and noted the same situation.
AP elites like to have estates in those cities and go visit 'native' place!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Aug 2013 02:28

Something has always bothered me about CBN.

In the 1990s, perhaps no Indian politician to date had been so deeply, ardently and openly courted by the US; all the way up to Bill Clinton.

When such things happen, one is always put in mind of the principle of give and take. Certainly there was no free lunch being offered to CBN. So what did he undertake to give?

One clue emerges from the fact that he withdrew TDP's external support to the NDA in 2004, and joined the third front, essentially ensuring that the present Sonia Regime would materialize.

A second clue emerges from the fact that today, while it clearly makes most sense for him and TDP to get back on board the NDA bandwagon-- especially with Modi's phenomenal rise and UPA's foundering fortunes-- he remains on the lookout for Muslim votes. This is something absolutely inexplicable... like Nitish Kumar, who has essentially committed political suicide and become na-ghar-ka-na-ghat-ka to prove his secular credentials, CBN too seems to be heading in the direction of "my enemy's enemy is also my enemy because they are communal and I am secular."

In the case of both Nitish and putatively CBN, the political rationale cannot be as simple as believing that they honestly saw Muslim votes as being more crucial to their political fortunes than any other potential factor. How many ways is the Muslim vote divided in Bihar? It oscillates strategically between Congress, RJD and JD(U). In Andhra Pradesh? I'm not sure, but I would bet that Congress, YSRC, MIM are all in open competition for this sector.

The political arithmetic of suddenly-discovered "secularism" doesn't make sense to me, as an explanation for such behaviour by either Nitish or CBN. Nitish, as we know, traveled to Pakistan (and now his ministers are trying to outdo both Congress and SP in expressing Pak-Pasand statements.) What about CBN? Is he paying some sort of debt incurred by the visits of Clinton and Tony Blair, and the declaration of Naidu Day by the state of Illinois?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2013 02:31

The death of GMC Balayogi kind of neutered CBN's political reach.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Aug 2013 02:50

He was Sc candidate from Amalapuram constituency which is reserved.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Aug 2013 02:53

Rudradev wrote: One clue emerges from the fact that he withdrew TDP's external support to the NDA in 2004, and joined the third front, essentially ensuring that the present Sonia Regime would materialize.

This is not true. He did not withdraw support. He along with BJP went as a pre-poll coalition in AP in 2004. NDA (TDP+BJP) together lost to YSR led INC+TRS in AP and NDA lost the center. They sailed together and sank together. It was an year after that he broke ties with BJP. He neither did DMK/ADMK nor Nitsh on BJP.

His predicament has nothing to do with either Muslims or Christians. The BJP vote beyond few pockets is nothing where as TDP had a coalition with Left parties in AP that has good percentages in two to three districts including Telangana districts like Khammam. If he goes with BJP, the left parties are going with INC. BJP hasn't given TDP the same advantage as other similar smaller parties and above all the BJP was just sinking every day.

BJP grew in 1998 and everyone thought it will be there but using Chiranjeevi INC was able to steal the exact caste groups that are nurtured by BJP which inturn made TDP to exit. In a combined state BJP+TDP is a losing combination.

Now that the state is divided, the TDP in Telangana has no special meaning. The T-TDP wants to either go with a pre-poll alliance with BJP or part away from CBN and just merge into BJP. This new equation is the reason for TDP honchos meeting Modi.

Now the aftermath of Modi's meeting has even TRS salivating towards Modi. KCR's son tweeted and that has sent jitters in INC camp. If INC spoils the mood of TRS, Modi may be able to play Mirjaffer Vs MirQasim with TRS and T-TDP.

One meeting has sent shivers through the state of Nizam

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Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Aug 2013 03:07

Now a gentle quiz for those who are following politics

What could be Modi's strategy on the Seemandhra state?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 13 Aug 2013 03:32

ramana wrote:The death of GMC Balayogi kind of neutered CBN's political reach.

I have no intention of "following" anybody. but this topic of when CBN's descent began, deserves some scrutiny.
The whole Telangana issue should have been foreseen when Madhava Reddy was killed off by "Naxals" in 2000.

The ascent of YSR began after Madhava's death.

Madhava was CBN's right hand man. and definitely the go-to guy for anything related to T.

and he was also the strongman who kept many of the T-Reddys in TDP camp. know an industrialist from Suryapet personally with links to MR's family for generations. Madhava's muscle power and charisma in making sure that T-Reddys didn't coalesce behind INC, like the Kosta+Seema Reddys usually did, was what gave CBN the edge in making sure that the money power of Kosta Reddys and the factionism of Seema Reddys didn't neuter the money/business power of K's.

CBN's descent began with Madhava Reddy's death. we can see him slowly loosing the pulse and becoming increasingly enamored with his "CEO" title that media gave him. think about all those articles that started appearing in news papers with Naidu sitting in front of a huge laptop. all this tamasha began in 2000/01.

Naidu's infamous comment of "old pensioners can die, but I will not give them a single extra paise," also came in 2001/02.

people who still remember those days might know that for all his power, MR usually kept a low profile. never drew much attention to himself other than when he was addressing rallies or actively campaigning. and he was a humble fellow too. people would say namaste to him, and he would do a humble bowing namaste in return. that humility, many say, CBN copied from MR simply by watching and imitating him.

IMVHO, CBN always needed some sensible person with good instincts to keep him grounded and not build castles in the stratosphere. Madhava Reddy was that guy. with his elimination, Naidu slowly starts spiraling out in his megalomania.

Balayogi was a great person. he had the respect and admiration of many, and I count my grandfather as one among them. but he was not the down-and-dirty politician. his death might very well have removed a crucial node in TDP's interaction with Center/NDA, but it did not alter the dynamics of the changing ground-scenario in Andhra. same cannot be said for MR's death. his elimination most certainly completely changed the battlefield. of course, people didn't realize it then. TDP's own controllers barely understood just how fundamentally TDP would be hurt by MR's sudden death. it is a different issue when men grow old and people around them know that this guy is going to kick the bucket. but when it happens to a 51 year-old guy who was hale and healthy, all the activities/pies/interests that he had a part in, suddenly experienced a vacuum.

if the K's had truly understood the basis of their spectacular rise in political power starting with NTR, they would have been shaken to the core. and they certainly wouldn't have let the vacuum in their Telangana base to fester and eventually let KCR, the rogue, try to fit into shoes that were too big for him.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 13 Aug 2013 03:41

Muppalla wrote:
Rudradev wrote: One clue emerges from the fact that he withdrew TDP's external support to the NDA in 2004, and joined the third front, essentially ensuring that the present Sonia Regime would materialize.
This is not true. He did not withdraw support. He along with BJP went as a pre-poll coalition in AP in 2004. NDA (TDP+BJP) together lost to YSR led INC+TRS in AP and NDA lost the center. They sailed together and sank together. It was an year after that he broke ties with BJP. He neither did DMK/ADMK nor Nitsh on BJP.

Thank you for the correction. I had thought that the TDP had never been more than a provider of external supporter to the NDA... did not realize it actually ran as a pre-poll coalition with BJP in 2004.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 13 Aug 2013 04:44

I don't see how TDP will survive in Telangana now, when so much bitterness has arisen between T and non-T folks due to this shoddily executed division. TDP's very name evokes a united Andhra, so how are Telangana folks going to vote for it?

I think CBN should focus on SA now, paint Cong and YSRC as villain, and thus sweep in SA. Let BJP occupy the non-Cong space in Telangana.

But can CBN overcome his love for Hyderabad, and take up the challenge of building a new Hyderabad in SA?

JMT

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 13 Aug 2013 05:52

I don't think CBN will have much of a role going forward. somebody else will have to take up the mantle for TDP. what is NTR Jr up to these days?
but it might be too much of the grandfather's magic. so will get dubbed as dupe/fake/rerun/etc. let's see if TD can come up with an alternative leadership. what if there is another more twisted future ahead. Reddys in SA jump ship to YSRC wholesale. Kammas jump to INC lock stock barrel. Kapus split between these two. not that far fetched. might even be the preferred outcome that INC is shooting/aiming for.

I have always said that a section of the K's have always maintained very close relations with(in) INC, part and parcel of their nation-wide business interests and ambitions. we should not underestimate their say/power. in the end, the whole tamasha might be about "unshackling" the Kosta finance from the burdensome interior and build a new "golden" future of finance/business interests above all others.

The Reddys are in the basket anyway, even if they jump to YSRCP, the covert collaboration will remain.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Aug 2013 07:21

WTF?

No timeline on Telangana formation: Chidambaram

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 792064.cms

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 13 Aug 2013 07:26

it's all drama. we are beggars holding the bowl for benevolent masters to drop a few coins. aak thoo.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 13 Aug 2013 07:29

Devesh Sir, Now it's confirmed that Modi rally forced them to go for Telangana declaration.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 13 Aug 2013 07:34

INC's reasons are always mysterious. clarity is the last thing to be expected. nothing is sure until bill passes. till then, all is drama.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 13 Aug 2013 10:38

Kakkaji wrote:But can CBN overcome his love for Hyderabad, and take up the challenge of building a new Hyderabad in SA?

IMHO, CM CBN is a spent force (== President Bill Clinton and soon President Obama).

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 13 Aug 2013 10:44

> Reddys in SA jump ship to YSRC wholesale.

More likely they will go INC way.

> Kammas jump to INC lock stock barrel.

They were never INC bhagats.

> Kapus split between these two.

Kapus will be behind their hero (who is already in INC). Their hatred - especially pedda kapus - towards Kammas is quite deep rooted, me thinks.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Aug 2013 13:15

matrimc wrote:
Kakkaji wrote:But can CBN overcome his love for Hyderabad, and take up the challenge of building a new Hyderabad in SA?
IMHO, CM CBN is a spent force (== President Bill Clinton and soon President Obama).

Just now he is talked on TV about the paid of losing Hyderabad.

Useless fellow. He has in his lust for power played straight into congress hands and now they are all afraid to come to non telangana regions and speak with agitators. Morning wifes of all ministers met the Governor and asked him to keep the state united.

Till now politicos are dancing and now they brought their wifes into public. Disgusting fellows.

No buses, Govt offices are closed and even hospitals closed except for emergency services. INC leaders are all doing show of agitation before the Gandhi statue at Parliament. Ministers like Chiranjivi who has not opened their mouth inside the house are all standing in public before the statue. His face has a look of people who is utterly miserable.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 13 Aug 2013 18:45

matrimc wrote:> Reddys in SA jump ship to YSRC wholesale.

More likely they will go INC way.

> Kammas jump to INC lock stock barrel.

They were never INC bhagats.

> Kapus split between these two.

Kapus will be behind their hero (who is already in INC). Their hatred - especially peda kapus - towards Kammas is quite deep rooted, me thinks.

Yes all that is known. But just speculating on changing scenario and what might perhaps happen. I'm not sure the kapus hate kammas that deeply. I think in the past there has always been a stream that was open to negotiation with kammas.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Aug 2013 19:26

devesh wrote:it's all drama. we are beggars holding the bowl for benevolent masters to drop a few coins. aak thoo.

for relief and some thought

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Aug 2013 20:08

Interesting development that United AP folks are not allowing Congress people to protest with Congress flag. They should cleanse like this in rest of the places.

Tension Mounts in Eluru Over Samaikyandhra Agitation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjPGA1d5xU

Buses to Tirumala are also stopped, which never happened in its history.

Samaikhyandhra agitation hits Tirumala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ifwQdhPxw

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Aug 2013 20:33

Regarding CBN as spent force etc., it is too early. He may not rule the state(s) but he is still the one who is the main opposition even after next poll if not in ruling situation. Anyone who ignores will be doing a mistake.

Here is the first indication that TDP and BJP will go together:

Chandrababu Naidu evades questions on Modi's overture

HYDERABAD: Telugu Desam Party president N Chandrababu Naidu on Tuesday parried questions on Narendra Modi's call to him to join hands with non-Congress parties to oust Congress-led UPA at the Centre.

"This is not the occasion to talk on the issue," he said when reporters referred to Modi's suggestion that TDP should follow the legacy of its founder-president NT Rama Rao and join forces to make India Congress-free.

"Everyone knows NTR's contribution to the formation of non-Congress governments at the Centre. Out of the four non-Congress governments, three were formed due to the efforts of TDP. NTR was instrumental in the formation of National Front government in 1989," Naidu said.

"Thus, NTR was widely respected not only in Andhra Pradesh but also across India and also cutting across party lines," he noted.

Even allowing such a speculation will wet INC's pants. KCR will also think about BJP. Suddenly INC may think of rolling back two state theory. The situation pregnant with options and my bet is that INC will be kicked out of the region.

All the above posts of castes and INC is past and there is no caste that will align with INC. Even Kapus and even Reddys are not in INC anymore. But the coastal rich always need some national party to do their biz. If INC exits it has to be Modi's BJP. Just do not under estimate this factor. This is where CBN's "no comments" reply is significant.

So in the end, Modi's rally unravels INC and AP.

Added later:
It may lead to Jagan's release from jail. But KKR has given a massive jhapad to YSR syndicate and they are struggling to defend.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2013 20:39

Ok. Please give caste talk a rest. It reflects poorly on the posters who bring it up.

Everyone acts for percieved self/group interets which turn out to be chimerical.

And nature abhors a vacuum. When there is failure nature or vidhi moves on leaving the dregs behind.
Sure will take more time but the ship of state will move on.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2013 20:42

Muppalla, So far the vehicle was INC as the national party, as a result of the goodwill built from 1920s. After being let down so throughly the people will find a national aspiration.

BTW the INC flag and subsequently the national flag(the Gandian charaka replaced by the Ashoka Lions) was designed by a Telugu person! So they are not castiest sub-regionalists as is being protrayed here.

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Aug 2013 20:43

CBN has his roots in congress and did not complete the syllabus and learning
He is now a lost man idea logically but only with lot of maney, plus his differences with in family makes him ideal for the advice

inta gelechi rachha geluvu.

ramana ji if you cast aside caste, we will have no spice in Telugu politics be it TANA, ATA DANA (Divided Andhras of North America) to be formed and I am contesting for presidency and just wait to see how fissures develop again into the same old mold.

PS A recent Telugu community sponsored Sai baba temple building committe split along caste lines just when funds were raised enough to move forward by devotees.... (in IL)

Divided we stand united we fall

But I will cede to your suggestion

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Aug 2013 20:46

has there been any conclusions on the divded new capital? or there are enough forces to keep this as United AP?

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 13 Aug 2013 20:56

SaiK wrote:has there been any conclusions on the divded new capital? or there are enough forces to keep this as United AP?

The division of Capitol will certainly entail division of capital such as people, money, buildings, utilitis and again need to build a new Capitol with new capital. I think

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Aug 2013 20:59

I take that as a no then. They have no idea how the divided capital is going to be.. 10 years of havoc should put INC away from AP+T states for the future and beyond.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Aug 2013 06:06

Cabinet discusses TDP MPs blocking the Lok Sabha proceedings!!!

NEW DELHI: Four TDP MPs blocking the government's legislative agenda in Lok Sabha figured in Tuesday's meeting of the Union Cabinet, the first time the ministerial panel has discussed a logjam in Parliament.

Briefing the Cabinet, parliamentary affairs minister Kamal Nath informed ministers that he has sought the intervention of Speaker Meira Kumar to ensure smooth functioning of the House in view of the prolonged disruptions.

The Cabinet discussion comes in the backdrop of TDP MPs refusing to wind up their protests against statehood for Telangana with the party's leader in Lok Sabha Nama Nageshwar Rao and Nath exchanging words during an all-party meeting on Tuesday.

TDP has rebuffed government managers, arguing that the party cannot be criticized for what Congress MPs from coastal and Rayalaseema regions of Andhra Pradesh have been indulging in ever since the monsoon session of Parliament got underway.

Nath also met President Pranab Mukherjee to brief him about the situation prevailing in Parliament and is hoping TDP will soften its unyielding stance on Wednesday.

TDP's stubborn refusal to heed requests to allow Parliament to function raised tempers and saw Congress circles wondering if BJP has anything to with the protests.

During Tuesday evening's Cabinet deliberations, senior ministers like P Chidambaram and Kapil Sibal expressed concern over the prospects of the government's legislative agenda being derailed as a result of the logjam.

The finance and law ministers have urgent business to transact including converting ordinances into law and passage of reform-related legislation seen to be important to the government's urgent efforts to perk up the economy.

Others like minister of state for information and broadcasting Manish Tewari and oil minister Veerappa Moily also joined the Cabinet discussion over the heavy toll on government business due to the disruptions.

The government is expected to make another bid to run Lok Sabha as its managers pointed out that all sections of the House, including the main opposition BJP, were agreed on Parliament transacting business.

Something odd. How can 4 MPs hold up the Lok Sabha? And to brief the President as if he is a party member!

member_27444 · Post by **member_27444** » 14 Aug 2013 07:03

It is because CBN wrote to the president two letters (not AP) but about procedural and constitutlonal validty of bifurcation of state INC in its wisdom blaming TDP for obstructing national progress and pending scams rationalization

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Aug 2013 07:07

devesh wrote:I'm not sure the kapus hate kammas that deeply. I think in the past there has always been a stream that was open to negotiation with kammas.

Let us reserve our judgement on that point. Wait and see my young friend.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Aug 2013 07:10

ShyamSP wrote:Samaikhyandhra agitation hits Tirumala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ifwQdhPxw

Don't slip on your Telugu my man. It is samaikyAndhra my long lost bro.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Aug 2013 07:14

Amyrao wrote:for relief and some thought

EmirA gAru, "kalasi unTE kaladu sukham" was a slogan of some school kids from Rajamundry

I suppose. Aap dAnavAipeTa se hain kya? SVR is a good actor though, I will give you that.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Aug 2013 07:18

Is Madhava Reddy Genetics professor from OU?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Aug 2013 07:20

devesh wrote:Yes all that is known.

devesh gAru, sometimes one needs to repeat the obvious to reinforce.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 14 Aug 2013 19:26

YSR's wife Vijayamma is going on hunger strick till death at Vijayawada from 19th and Devineni Uma of TDP also doing the same from the same date. Significantly both are not coming out and saying for united AP because they want their interests in Hyderabad protected.

INC now bringing Rayala Telangana again to divide and rule policy. In the meanwhile T Ministers and MPs are all meeting in Jaypal Reddy's house in Delhi.

Entire public are now knowing the political drama of congress. T leaders may/may not accept it, the division will be based on Political benefits and for making Amul Baba PM after 2014. Everyone is saying the same thing.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Aug 2013 03:45

Naidu warms up to BJP

New Delhi, Aug. 14: The Telugu Desam Party is warming to the BJP and looking at it as a possible ally for the 2014 Lok Sabha and Andhra Pradesh elections.

A source, who claimed to be part of the Desam’s decision-making group, said that on August 10, a day before Narendra Modi addressed a public meeting in Hyderabad, party chief N. Chandrababu Naidu was told by confidants and senior colleagues that he must tie up with the BJP for the impending polls.

Naidu’s colleagues, the source said, stressed that the national mood was “anti-Congress” and it was, therefore, important for the anti-Congress forces to not only array against it but have a “strong” party like the BJP at the helm.

Some of those who had purportedly carried out independent surveys in Andhra and some other states informed Naidu that a “groundswell” in Modi’s favour was “rapidly” building in the north.

Naidu, the source said, replied that he had heard them out and would keep their inputs in mind before coming to any decision. He also urged his colleagues not to go public on the BJP or on Modi.

The following day, after seeing the “huge” turnout at Modi’s rally, Naidu was again told that if he teamed up with the Gujarat chief minister, together they would coalesce into a “powerful” symbol of “governance and development” that India was “yearning” for.

When Naidu was asked by the Hyderabad media to respond to Modi’s call, he refused to utter a word.

BJP sources did not reject the idea of reaching out to the Desam, a former ally when the NDA was in power. A leader said he and Modi had done their homework on Andhra and concluded that while the BJP’s vote share in the 2009 elections was a niggardly 2.8 per cent, if it aligned with the Desam and even the Telangana Rashtra Samiti, the vote share, and consequently, the number of seats, could shoot up “dramatically”.

“This was why Modi in his rally made a direct appeal to Naidu to respect his father-in-law (N.T. Rama Rao)’s legacy and join the forces fighting the Congress seriously,” the leader said.

Naidu is now part of an on-off front of regional outfits that include the BJD, the AIADMK, the AGP, the Indian National Lok Dal and the Left.

Sources said if Naidu was losing hope of the CPM and CPI’s ability to emerge as the nucleus of a “third” or a “federal” front because of the Left’s “eroding base” in its strongholds, he was as concerned about Modi’s “divisive” image and the fear of losing Muslim votes.

The source said he expected Naidu to speak to Naveen Patnaik, Jayalalithaa, Mulayam Singh Yadav and Sharad Yadav (not Nitish Kumar) before making up his mind on the BJP.

Of the four leaders, Jayalalithaa, the AIADMK chief, has a good equation with Modi. Patnaik, the Odisha chief minister and BJD president, has never displayed the degree of aversion towards Modi as Nitish has.

The Desam’s assessment was that Mulayam’s “automatic” choice was the Congress in an and/or scenario.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130815/j ... gwHA6y2n4s

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Aug 2013 04:09

From Telegraph!

India Today has an article :

LINK