Indian Naval News & Discussion - 12 Oct 2013

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Feb 2014 17:54

http://www.upiasia.com/Top-News/2014/02 ... 392361260/

Atlas Elektronik zeros in on Indian sonar deal
Published By United Press International
NEW DELHI, Feb. 14 (UPI) -- Atlas Elektronik is close to winning an order for sonar systems for the Indian navy's indigenous Delhi-class and Russian-built Talwar-class warships, the Business Standard newspaper reported.

Atlas is the lowest bidder to supply active towed array sonars, but the Defense Ministry hasn't made a final decision, the Business Standard reported.

The first six systems will be manufactured at the Atlas facilities in Germany and the rest will be made in India under a transfer of technology arrangement.

"Atlas Elektronik has won the competition for the ATAS, which will equip the Delhi-class and Talwar-class ships initially and subsequently be manufactured in India under cooperation with Bharat Electronics," Khalil Rahman, head of Atlas Elektronik's Indian division, said.

Atlas Elektronik set up its Indian company in last March.

Rahman said an ATAS system detects submarines as far away as 35 miles from the surface vessel and before the submarine gets within its own firing range.

The parent company in Germany announced last month it would be supplying Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering with bow sonar systems and active towed array sonars for a new Thai navy frigate.

Delivery of the systems is planned for early in 2016, a statement by Atlas said.

Together, the two sonar systems can detect and track numerous types of underwater vehicles, including submarines, torpedoes and unmanned vehicles.

Atlas' India sonar win comes after it picked up a contract to upgrade heavyweight torpedoes for use by four of the Indian navy's submarines.

The New Indian Express newspaper reported in November 64 surface and underwater running torpedoes will be upgraded, adding 15 years to their operational life.

The four submarines, built by the German company Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft at its Kiel shipyard, are Type 209 Shishumar-class vessels delivered from 1986 to 1994.

India also in the process of building six Scorpene submarines under a technology transfer agreement signed 2005.

The Scorpene is a diesel-electric attack submarine with additional air-independent propulsion jointly developed by the French shipbuilder DCN -- now DCNS -- and Spain's Navantia.

But delays of as long as 18 months in delivery are likely after consultants from Spanish shipbuilding partner Navantia announced they were pulling out last year.

A report by India's Times News Network in April said the hulls for all six Scorpene submarines, made of steel supplied by the French division of ArcelorMittal, are ready in the Mumbai shipyard of government-owned Mazagon Dockyard.

TNN reported Mazagon had informed the navy delivery of the first vessel would be around the end of 2016.

Delays will put operational pressure on India's submarine fleet of 10 aging Russian Kilo class and the four HDW submarines. India also leases a Russian nuclear submarine, Chakra.

Three of the subs are expected to be retired in the next several years

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Feb 2014 19:11

It was reported last week that IN Kilo will go through 2nd major mid life upgrade , 2 Kilo will be upgraded in Russia and 2 will be done in India.

After the upgrade Kilo life will be improved by 10 years.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Feb 2014 02:24

We effectively have only 8 Kilos,after the loss of the SR and "Humpty Dumpty",the dismantled one that we've been unable to put together again.With the above report that a few subs will be retired,mentioned 3 in number,and the 4 U-209s after their upgrades to last another decade+,it appears that we will be down to 5/6 Kilos.Even if replacements of them by Scorpenes on a one for one basis takes place from 2017 or so,the number of conventional subs will not grow beyond 18.Of these,just a few of them,Scorpenes will have an AIP system.We can't expect more than 4/5 N-boats also to be in service within the next 5'6 years.Hopefully another Akula-2 and the 2 ATVs whose hulls have been made,given the long period of harbour trials and sea trials,taking at least 2 years.Another line of 6/8 conventional/AIP subs that can be acquired at reasonable cost is sorely needed.The "perfect sub" for 75I whatever,the sub for all waters is going to be a challenge to design and build.It will also not come cheap.The tradeoff between very expensive conventional boats with limited capability in comparison with N-boats needs to be carefully examined.Given our numerical inferiority when compared with China,at least 6 SSGNs will also be required apart from the SSBNs to give us the capability of long endurance forward presence ops in the Indo-China Sea and Pacific waters.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 16 Feb 2014 02:27

JTull wrote:
vic wrote:DRDO Unmanned submersible

http://i.imgur.com/Diqnn8M.jpg
Looks like a large bottle of M&M/Smarties/Gems is the payload at the front/right of the submersible

I have no idea why the agencies which DRDO subcontracts these display models to, put these bottles of colored spheres everyplace, or plain colored thermocol. See the back of this Nag seeker display.
http://i.imgur.com/ytcDsxR.jpg

I dont see how it adds to the display. Yet another Indian "quirk" i guess, as is putting flower pots every place even in a military display.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Feb 2014 16:49

New naval exercise focuses on firing missiles undetected

The Indian Navy has begun a month-long war-game with the underlying purpose of fine-tuning its skill of firing a missile at enemy without being detected.

The massive exercise, involving Indian Navy's aircraft-carrier INS Viraat, nuclear-powered submarine INS Chakra and several destroyers, frigates and submarines, seeks to perfect the Navy's ability to launch missiles avoiding enemy nations' surveillance systems.

To deceive adversaries' electronic detection systems, a key input would be provided by India's only military satellite, GSAT-7, run by the Navy.

Thanks to the indigenous satellite, Navy's eastern and western fleets are networked, giving them an operational edge in the dense maritime environment of Indian Ocean.

“We are witnessing an ever-increasing presence of extra-regional navies and multinational forces in support of the US-led operations in the Indian Ocean region,” said Navy vice-chief Vice-Admiral Robin Dhowan in Delhi.

Being held under the watchful eye of Navy chief Admiral D K Joshi and Vice-Admiral Anil Chopra, commander-in-chief of Eastern Naval Command, the mock war drill will involve firing of missiles, torpedoes and the anti-missile system.

Delhi-class destroyers and a whole range of naval frigates, missile boats and submarines are taking part in the war game. Joint operations will be carried out with the Air Force involving its Su-30 and Jaguar aircraft and IL-78 mid-air refuellers. A special Army team on amphibious operations too will hone its skills in this war game.

The theatre-level exercise takes place in the backdrop of increasing economic and strategic importance of Indian Ocean, because of which the US too has shifted its focus from traditional views. “Oil arteries of the world flow through the Indian Ocean region, and any impediment to free-flow of energy resources could have a profound effect on regional as well as global economies,” said Dhowan.

Almost the entire naval aviation fleet, including the three latest P8I long-range surveillance aircraft, will be in action. In addition, IL-38 with Sea Dragon suite and Dorniers will maintain keep eagle's eye on vessel movement in the high seas, while Sea Harrier fighter jets will take off from the decks of INS Viraat.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 17 Feb 2014 16:51

This exercise is as big as it gets all Naval assets , IAF and IA is deployed .... seems like we dont want the US Navy and other Multinational Forces to impact our zone of influence.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Feb 2014 08:19

It's always best to keep our true capability hidden,especially from navies who 500+ years ago entered the IOR and enslaved much of Asia for 5 centuries!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Feb 2014 09:54

N.Ind.Exp has a report about the CAG puling up the In for delays in warship upgrades.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/02/ ... ched-eggs/

Warship Upgrading: CAG Pulls up Navy
By Express News Service - NEW DELHI
Published: 19th February 2014

At a time when Navy is fighting a perception battle over the safety of its assets, the Central auditors have rapped it for delays in executing the refits and upgrade of ageing warships, resulting in both time and cost overruns, apart from their non-availability for operations.

In its latest five-year performance audit from 2005-06 to 2009-10 period presented before Parliament on Tuesday, the CAG stressed the need for a more efficient management of planning and execution of refit and upgrade programmes. “While acknowledging that the Navy had been undertaking refits of aged ships of varied classes and origin, it was also admitted that there were considerable time and cost overruns, resulting in reduced availability of ship days,” the audit report observed.

It recommended “a more efficient management of planning and execution of refit, speedy completion of infrastructure project, better inventory management and timely supply of machinery and spares.”

The repairs and refits of naval ships are carried out at the two Naval Dockyards in Mumbai and Visakhapatnam and three Naval Ship Repair Yards in Port Blair, Kochi and Karwar. In addition, the Navy off-loads refits to defence public sector shipyards and commercial shipyards.

The nation’s major warships, including INS Vikramaditya (erstwhile Admiral Gorshkov of the Russian Navy), have been refitted and upgraded with modern equipment and system to make them worthy of modern day naval warfare. INS Sindhurakshak, which sunk in the Mumbai Naval Dockyard on August 14 last year due to internal explosions, had returned after an upgrade programme from Russia earlier that year.

The latest report revealed that 113 of the 152 refits planned in the five audit years were completed with an accumulated delay of 8,629 days. That constituted 74 per cent of the naval assets. Further, 66 refits were planned ab-initio in excess of the duration authorised under operational-cum-refit cycle, thereby resulting in an accumulated planned loss of 5,188 days in availability of the ships, it said.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Feb 2014 04:52

There was an interesting equivalent of the Grumman Greyhound,the Yak 44E,being an on-board AEW equiv,capable of taking off from ski-jump carriers.Though shelved after the USSR exited,it could be revived as ERussia too plans new carriers. It could be an interesting option for the future 56K t IAC carriers.Our AEW radar developed for the EMB platform could even be used instead of the rotating radome,as all one needs is the aircraft capable of operating from a 65K ski-jump carrier,while the radar,systems,internal operating stations,etc.,provided by us.The aircraft could even be acquired for operating from land bases too.

http://www.kamov.net/russian-aircraft/y ... k-44e-aew/

The Yakovlev Yak-44E project owes its inception to an ambitious programme aimed at building a fleet of conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) aircraft carriers which had been pursued by the USSR since the mid-1960s. It was fairly obvious that operations of carrier-borne combat jets would not be effective unless they were backed up by adequate and timely information about the adversary forces in operational areas. This information could be provided only by a shipboard airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft.

The Yakovlev OKB was tasked with the development of such a machine as early as 1979. In addition to the baseline AEW version, Yak-44 variants for other roles, including anti-submarine warfare (ASW), were to be developed in due course of time. By November 1979 the OKB submitted a technical proposal envisaging two alternative types of mission equipment for the Yak-44E. The first of them, dubbed Fakel (Torch), comprised two radar antennas housed inside the fuselage and accommodated respectively in the fuselage nose and tail cone. The other option, called E-700, featured a radar antenna housed in a rotodome mounted on a pylon above the fuselage. Initially the go-ahead for further development was given to the Fakel-equipped version of the Yak-44E; its powerplant was to comprise two turboprops in underwing nacelles for cruise and four lift engines in the fuselage, to be used for STOL carrier-deck operations. However, placing the lift engines in the fuselage made it very difficult to provide enough space for the mission avionics. Difficulties encountered in the projecting of the Fakel radar system itself brought this work to a standstill, putting the Yak-44E project as a whole in jeopardy.

Concurrently, the Antonov OKB was working on an alternative AEW aircraft project known as the An-71 and intended for the Air Force. Attempts were made to adapt this project for naval use, but eventually it was recognised that the size and AUW of the An-71 made it unsuitable for carrier-borne operations. As a result, the Yakovlev OKB was called upon to resume the work on the Yak-44E, this time on the basis of a new concept which dispensed with the lift engines. The new version of the Yak-44E was to be powered by two D-27 propfan engines driving Aerosila SV-27 contraprops and be equipped with the E-700 AEW mission suite, featuring a revolving disc-shaped radome (rotodome) above the fuselage.

The Yakovlev Yak-44E was an AEW and airborne command post aircraft: its mission included monitoring the airspace and surface situation in designated areas, supplying information about the adversary’s actions and target designation for combat aircraft. In its general configuration this shoulder-wing aircraft closely followed the Grumman E-2C Hawk-eye; however, it was by no means a direct ‘copy’, incorporating some different design features.

Unlike the E-2, whose rotodome was supported by a rigid tripod-like structure, the Yak-44′s rotodome was mounted on a telescopic pylon and could be lowered by more that 1.8 m (5 ft 10 in). This, coupled with the twin-fin tail unit, was intended to reduce the aircraft’s height for below-deck stowage. There were only two vertical tails (the Hawk-eye had additional dorsal half-fins’ at about half-span of each stabiliser); on the other hand, the rudders were double-hinged, whereas the E-2 had simple rudders. The

Yak-44 had unswept high aspect ratio wings equipped with winglets (a feature absent on the E-2), powerful trailing-edge flaps and slats. The wing panels outboard of the engines folded upwards about skewed hinges, intersecting when folded; in contrast, the E-2′s wings folded aft. rotating nose-down in the process.

The powerplant comprised two Muravchenko D-27 propfans designed by ZMKB Progress’ (Zaporozhskoye motorno-konstrooktorskoye byuro – ‘Progress’ Zaporozh’ye Engine Design Bureau); D-227s are also mentioned in some sources. The engines were rated at 14,000 eshp (10.290 kW), driving Aerosila SV-27 contraprops of 4.49 m (14 ft 8 in) diameter. The front and rear rows had eight and six scimitar-shaped blades respectively, running at different speeds to reduce noise and vibration. Thus, being only marginally bigger than the Hawkeye, the Yak-44 had 2.5 times the engine power. Accordingly, it had almost twice the weight and a far greater fuel capacity.
- See more at: http://www.kamov.net/russian-aircraft/y ... fzJMy.dpuf

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2014 06:58

Errr.......

Per Wiki, Yak-44E:

The Yakovlev Yak-44 was a proposed twin turboprop Airborne Early Warning (AEW) aircraft, resembling the United States Navy's E-2 Hawkeye, and intended for use with the Soviet Navy's Ulyanovsk class supercarriers. Along with the aircraft carrier it would have flown from, the Yak-44 was cancelled after the demise of the Soviet Union. A full-scale mock-up with foldable wings was built.

True?

Besides, the IN seems to have some interest in the Hawkeye E2D, so why resurrect the Yak?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Feb 2014 07:28

The Yak has better performance,plus a telescopic radome which means easier stowage in the hangar.Read the details.The thought is that using the platform,we provide the entire AEW suite including radome or slab radar as on the EMB platforms.Remember how the US developed the JSF F-35 from Yak-141 blueprints?! Here is a U-tube clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8QKj4K8Ko4

Oh,here's another interesting clip of Pierre Sprey,co-designer of the F-16,saying that a 1950's era MIG-21 can defeat an F-35 in a dogfight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjjHDGWm4Q

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2014 07:53

{No where did that video state that the F-35 was based on the blue prints of the Yak. As far as I can recall Yak was a paid consultant, just as the Brits were for the Boeing variant. Anyways, let that slide.

Per wiki:

[quote]Following the announcement by the CIS on September 1991 that it could no longer fund development of the Yak-41M, Yakovlev entered into discussions with several foreign partners who could help fund the program. Lockheed Corporation, which was in the process of developing the X-35 for the US Joint Strike Fighter program, stepped forward, and with their assistance 48-2 was displayed at the Farnborough Airshow in September 1992. Yakovlev announced that they had reached an agreement with Lockheed for funds of $385 to $400 million for three new prototypes and an additional static test aircraft to test improvements in design and avionics. Planned modifications for the proposed Yak-41M included an increase in STOL weight to 21,500 kg (47,400 lb). One of the prototypes would have been a dual-control trainer. Though no longer flyable, both 48-2 and 48-3 were exhibited at the 1993 Moscow airshow. The partnership began in late 1991, though it was not publicly revealed by Yakovlev until 6 September 1992, and was not revealed by Lockheed until June 1994.[1]
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Still does not answer why resurrect the 44E.

{On Sperry.............. Yawn............................. May be his memo did not reach the Kremlin yet, which is expecting India to invest $6 billion on the R&D phase for the FGFA. I think if what he says is true, then India should buy the F-16IN. IF they can beat out a F-35, certainly it can deal with the Chinese supposed threat. Right?}

vic · Post by **vic** » 24 Feb 2014 07:57

I think Rustom turboprop variant should be Indian Carrier launched AEW resource.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2014 08:04

vic wrote:I think Rustom turboprop variant should be Indian Carrier launched AEW resource.

Bhai Saheb, Manned carrier based planes are a bear to deal with. What to say about unmanned crafts.

I think even the 29K, with a good radar, can suffice for the near future. ???????

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 24 Feb 2014 14:13

vic wrote:I think Rustom turboprop variant should be Indian Carrier launched AEW resource.

Too small.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Feb 2014 16:11

The idea for two reasons.A carrier AEW bird ski-jump capable with more platform capability than the Grumman bird offered to us.UAVs with long endurance hsve yet to be perfected.The Greyhound bssed on the same platform is used for COBD purposes.The same could be done with the Yak .I'll post later more details about the JSF-Yak connection.

KiranM · Post by **KiranM** » 24 Feb 2014 18:38

A paper on Indian Amphibious force by an IN officer. The price tag on maritime assets like LHD/ LHA is staggering

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a517791.pdf

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Feb 2014 02:38

Tx. Kiran.That was an interesting assessment.It bears out my thesis that we need a mulri-role amphib equipped with integral air capability for air defence as well as ground support of landings.This capability cannot come cheap,esp. with the air assets-aircraft,helos and perhaps UAVs too.One cost-effective solution is that of the RN with their Ocean class ,built to merchantman std.,not mil. std.,but this class of amphib will not give the full capability of the Juan Carlos class of vessel.One doesn't know what the cost of IAC-1 is,but given that experience thus far,we could perhaps leverage that design in developing an indigenous design,which would however take some valuable time in arriving at.Even the Russians with their vast experience went in for Mistral class amphibs,curiously not to be deployed in the European theatre but in the Far East,all based at Vladivostok.

vic · Post by **vic** » 25 Feb 2014 12:54

A turboprop engined Rustom will have a MTOW of around 7-8tons and a Turbofan (say AL-55i) engined Rustom will have a MTOW of around 12-15 tons which may be adequate for Indian Navy's Carrier based AEW requirements.

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 26 Feb 2014 10:20

Times of India is tweeting that 4-5 sailors airlifted to Navy Hospital in Mumbai as smoke detected from INS Sindhuratna off Mumbai coast.

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 26 Feb 2014 10:30

Smoke detected on Indian Navy submarine off Mumbai coast, 4 sailors moved to hospital

An Indian Navy submarine is headed back to the Mumbai shore after it was forced to surface when smoke was detected on board. Reports said four or five sailors were rendered unconscious from suffocation and have been airlifted to a Mumbai hospital.

The INS Sindhuratna was being sea tested after a refit, about 40 to 50 km off the Mumbai coast when the smoke was detected. The senior-most submarine officer of the Western Naval Command was on board.

The submarine was carrying no weapons or ammunition. Since it was still in testing mode, it had not been placed under operational command yet.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 26 Feb 2014 10:54

We need some serious "Griha Shanti puja"

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 26 Feb 2014 11:34

^^ Amen to that.

Navy is having some serious bad time since submarine disaster.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Feb 2014 11:50

imagine if an accident happens when the sub is alone 1500km out...nothing except a US-2 amphib could fly out with medical staff/supplies and bring in the wounded safely.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Feb 2014 13:39

another refitted kilo, problem in the battery compartment - wonder if this is the clue that we've been waiting for

note the recent spate of battery fires in 787 dreamliners... maybe some new battery technology being deployed with some unforseen problems?

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Feb 2014 13:39

We seem to have lost 2 officers and IE reports it as a "explosion:

Months after a fire on the INS Sindhurakshak killed 18 personnel, two officers were feared dead and seven other Navy personnel seriously injured in a mishap involving the Russian-origin Kilo Class submarine INS Sindhuratna off the coast of Mumbai on Wednesday. The two officers, a Lieutenant and a Lieutenant Commander, were initially declared missing.

Something seems going really wrong for the sub arm of IN lately!

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 26 Feb 2014 13:45

From Twitter

Baba Leopard Singh ‏@Leopard212: If you must know, Subs operate under COMCOS (Commodore Commanding Subs) who directly reports to CinC. With #Sindhuratna, COMCOS was on board.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Feb 2014 13:54

Seven sailors hurt, 2 officers missing after accident on Indian Navy submarine INS Sindhuratna

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 26 Feb 2014 14:26

WTF is wrong with IN these days?

member_20453 · Post by **member_20453** » 26 Feb 2014 14:51

Let's not be quick to blame IN, they have been operating Kilos for years, seems like some bad quality parts going in.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 26 Feb 2014 14:54

I guess it is time for anti jinx for the IN.

vishal · Post by **vishal** » 26 Feb 2014 15:14

Indian sailors missing after fire on submarine off Mumbai

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/f ... ine-mumbai

Quote: "Two Indian navy sailors are missing and seven others are in hospital after they were overcome by smoke during a firefighting training exercise on board a diesel-powered submarine off the coast of Mumbai."

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 26 Feb 2014 15:28

vishal wrote:Indian sailors missing after fire on submarine off Mumbai

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/f ... ine-mumbai

Quote: "Two Indian navy sailors are missing and seven others are in hospital after they were overcome by smoke during a firefighting training exercise on board a diesel-powered submarine off the coast of Mumbai."

With officers involved in fatalities, stakes for Navy just went out of the roof. I am not sure what is the term for grounding a ship, but a thorough review of procedures must take place before things are cleared for duty in IN.

Mere pep-talk wont help them instill confidence in public and fellow sailors. IAF also went through a similar phase and now are doing ok.

No pressure.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Feb 2014 16:13

Tragic news about the loss of life and injured.Sincere condolences to the families affected and wishing a speedy recovery for the injured.

Could there be a battery problem yet again? Kilo subs supposedly now use Indian made batteries which are superior to OEM ones.They've been used for quite some time now.There was after the SR tragedy a video clip showing the innards of a Kilo and the battery compartment and how it was accessed and problems fixed.We've been using the Kilos without problems for decades.The SR was the first major tragedy involving the type due to a probable technical fault.Perhaps this accident will shed light on the cause of the SR tragedy too.

Since both the SRakshak and SRatna were based at Bombay,outlandish though it may be,could there be a saboteur at the base or is it a case of negligence or faulty component? wasn't the SRatna the sub that was partially damaged along with the SRakshak as it was alongside? Is there any news about its activity-has it been at sea regularly after that incident?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 Feb 2014 16:47

Could be battery problems, could be sabotage, could some defective refit procedures.

A decade back, public were jumping to conclusions that all Mig 21, 23, 27 should be retired, lets be a bit mature and wait.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Feb 2014 16:57

They need to audit the Kilo submarine specially after the upgrades , they got equipment in there from multiple vendors including Russian , Indian and Western ones .... Most of the incident have been seen after Kilo upgrade. Prior to the upgrade that was not the case ( unless it was not reported before )

Consdering our Sub Strength is too low atm moment , cannot rule our Sabotage angle but we need to put our own SOP in place if audit our training/manning/maintenance process of subs.

No harm done if some thing Positive Comes out of this that helps the force in long run.

RIP Sailors and Condolence to their Families in these tragic moments.

habal · Post by **habal** » 26 Feb 2014 17:03

using western components in Russian subs seems to be recipe for disaster. IN shouldn't get too ambitious and use western electronics in these subs. Or else arms dealers inveigling themselves into Naval components contracts can also mean compromise of naval systems security.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 26 Feb 2014 17:18

Inability to gas free completely before welding or gas works tend to cause a large number of accidents. Many welding teams are completely incogniscant of ship or submarine board systems. Sometimes it's just a tack kind of weld or simple gas cutting act that probably would take a few seconds. 999 times out of 1000 nothing should happen. It's that 1 in 1000 that is the problem. That's why following laid procedures is extremely important when dealing with repair works on board ships or subs. An enquiry should investigate both present procedures in use and if adequate whether laid procedures and clearances were adequately obtained.

SPattath · Post by **SPattath** » 26 Feb 2014 18:34

News that Navy chief has resigned and its been accepted

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Feb 2014 18:40

yes Adm D K Joshi has resigned.

probably DefMin might have asked for his resignation...tomorrow it will be clear.