India-US Relations : News and Discussion

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2014 12:09

I could hear someone said " wow"

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 28 Sep 2014 14:11

chaanakya wrote:I could hear someone said " wow"

Seems to be recorded by some Teluguite, heard of hearing ఐపోయింది (finished) at the end.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Sep 2014 14:53

The above video has in the description

Published on 27 Sep 2014

Narendra Modi's Convoy in Washington DC

Note:

1. Now we all know Modi ji is still in NYC. So it is either a scene is from NYC or this is someone else's convoy.
2. The Police cars blocking the intersection has the word "Police" while I get the feeling that NYPD cars have "NYPD" written.
3. Are roads blocked when foreign dignitaries visit NYC during the UNGA session. I think not.
4. There is an ambulance bringing up the rear of the motorcade. Is that standard procedure for foreign dignitaries visit NYC.

All of the above leads me to believe this is not Modi ji's motorcade. It might be the POTUS convoy in DC. Perhaps someone can ID the locality or the PD or the flag on the vehicles.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 28 Sep 2014 15:41

Pressure mounts on Modi as protests in U.S. gain momentum

Meanwhile human rights group Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) said that as U.S. President Barack Obama rolls out the red carpet for Mr. Modi on September 30, a Citizens' Court in Lafayette Park, immediately outside the front end of the White House, would hold indictment proceedings against the Indian Prime Minister that would be telecast live throughout the U.S.

In this regard a copy of the “charge sheet” and notice of indictment proceedings for the Citizens’ Court was said to have been recently served on Mr. Modi via the Indian Embassy using a summons delivery service, whose officer signed an affidavit that he delivered a copy of the documents to a named Embassy official at the Embassy premises near Dupont Circle and informed that person of the contents

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 28 Sep 2014 17:22

sooraj wrote:Modi's convoy in USA

That is the POTUS' convoy and not Modi's.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Sep 2014 17:28

Don't buy the hype: Modi's US visit will be all pomp and of little circumstance

But the Chinese visit, as could be expected from India’s principal enemy, was notable for pomp and circumstance, but nothing of any substance, although there was plenty of atmospherics and theatrics. I am afraid Narendra Modi’s visit to the US will similarly produce nothing whatsoever of value.

There are several reasons for this. First and foremost is that the Obama administration is fundamentally hostile to India, not to mention that President Obama himself appears more or less a lame-duck embroiled in large problems abroad, such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Ukraine. The record shows that Obama does not take India seriously, and now that he has several crises on his hands, he is likely not to have any time at all for an India-America rapprochement. India is a long-term play, and all American presidents, and Obama in particular, are short-term thinkers.

Third, even if the US were still in the business of helping other countries grow, as it allegedly was in the days of the Marshall Plan, it cannot afford to create another competitor. The meteoric rise of China as a manufacturing power has hurt America’s competitive position. If we believe some of the comparative data, India is following a trajectory that mirrors China’s, only 13 years behind, and with strong leadership it may well become a new manufacturing power, and realpolitik suggests this is not in America’s best interests.

There is only one possible silver lining to this cloud: that American businesses may recognize the benefit from working with India, partly because of the demographic dividend will lead to affluent consumers of their wares in India. Partly because they should realize that more of their human resources can come from Indians as the education system there improves. And partly because the new manufacturing initiative (“Make in India”) may benefit them.

The hostility of Democratic Party administrations in the US towards India is legendary, even though for some reason Indians are convinced that this is not so:

Obama will host a private dinner with Modi and there will be many other opportunities for discussion, but he will not get away with the usual trick of giving flowery speeches and massaging Indian egos, while studiously avoiding any real deliverables. Modi is likely to pin him down on facts, of which the lofty and airy Obama has few: his strong suit is platitudes.

The virulent ostracism of Narendra Modi as a person was official US policy for quite a few years, although in fairness, it did begin before Obama’s time. Behind this was a motley crew of the usual suspects: Christian fundamentalists who want to have a free run in India for their conversion machines, Indian communists in the US who hate anything Hindu with a passion, and pan-national Muslim interests, especially those funded and sustained by Pakistan’s ISI.

The US Commission on Internal Religious Freedom (USCIRF), despite the name and purported objective, is apparently an official mechanism for bible-thumping fundamentalists in the US to push their agendas. Their hatred for Hindus is legendary (except for the Hindus that they manage to convert by monetary inducement and other fraud, of course). A recent tweet from the USCIRF, quoting its sepoys in India, is proof of malafide intent:

It boggles the mind that such naked hatred – not to mention an utter lie -- emanates from the US administration. In fact, it is the USICRF that is comparable to the ISIS: a bunch of fundamentalists. A tweet from David Cohen, a former US administration official and a friend of India, captures it nicely:

Modi’s erstwhile ‘untouchability’ was also the result of an unremitting campaign of calumny by Indian-origin leftists in the US, members of entities such as FOIL (Forum of Indian Leftists) and a clutch of related entities such as CAG (Coalition Against Genocide). Most of them have a single-point agenda: be anti-India, and, especially, anti-Hindu.

Indian communists are a peculiar lot. Those with long memories remember that they supported China in the 1962 war. In Bengal, they demonstrated their ability to impoverish an entire state. In the so-called Naxalite areas of that state, they set up a nihilist, Stalinist State. They have no interest in Indian development, nor in India-US rapprochement. Or even in the territorial integrity of India.

Then there are the entities waging a virtual war on India, often with funding from the ISI, as in the celebrated Faigate case, wherein a Kashmiri-American was found to be channeling Pakistani money to various turncoats and fellow-travelers.

Presumably, this, as well as the stunning success of Mangalyaan, will motivate American businessmen to pay attention to India. In the past it was American businesses, eyeing the vast revenues they thought they could get from China, that lobbied for and pushed through many China-friendly policies; and if sufficiently motivated, they may do the same for India.

To a certain extent, Modi’s “Make in India” program will inherently appeal to US private sector investors in manufacturing, but only to an extent. What would appeal more to them would be, of course, the market and the supposed demographic dividend, but most of all, it would be frugal engineering and frugal innovation. The well-timed triumph of the Mangalyaan mission at a cost of a tenth of the NASA mission could well be a trigger. I do hope this gets enough airplay.

But beyond that, the personalities, preoccupations and politics of the current US administration militate against a strategic convergence of views of the type that seemed possible a decade ago. We will have to wait until Obama leaves in 2016; if Hillary Clinton is the next US President, a grand India-US partnership cannot happen until the next Republican is in power. Till then, we will remain “Estranged Democracies” as the book by Dennis Kux put it.

The fact of the matter is that the Indian national interest would be well-served by playing the US and China off against each other; or ever better, by projecting India as a new and upcoming pole in a G3, or a tripolar world. This, naturally, is not something Americans would be keen on.

rvishwak · Post by **rvishwak** » 28 Sep 2014 17:28

Rajdeep turdesai heckled by crowd on LIVE TV!!!

Infront of Madison Square....

negi · Post by **negi** » 28 Sep 2014 17:28

[quote]Pressure mounts on Modi as protests in U.S. gain momentum[quote]
Sikhs for justice ? hain ? What happened to their quest for justice when their kind MMS was in the US heading a government members of which killed thousands of sikh in broad day light in 1984, gh@nt@ justice milega inhe .

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Sep 2014 18:17

^^^^ Obama wants to leave a legacy about climate change. Clean energy might be one area where India might be able to get something from him.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 28 Sep 2014 18:37

On Aaj Tak

Turdeep keeps asking people how much they paid for the ticket in black. And people reply all the talk about buying tickets in black is Congress organized propaganda. Keeps asking if all communities (IOW ROL/ROP) feel the same way for NaMo.

Punya Prasoon Vajpayee on Aaj Tak feeling like duniya lut gayi....but talking about Des-Pardes emotional pulls.

Gaurav Sawant asking the lay NRI why they feel the way they feel for NaMo.

20000 inside the stadium and another like numbers expected on Times square.

A Sikh man actually said it the best - Yeh bhaashan nahi Mela hai jaise India mein hota hai.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Sep 2014 18:37

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 28 Sep 2014 18:38

The USCIRF was founded in 1998 and its life extended in 2011 by a Republican Congress, with ample Democratic support, and in both cases, signed into law by a Democratic President.

Republicans and Democrats are united in protecting Christian evangelicals abroad.

And don't go by their words, go by their actions. As Koenraad Elst said, when accused of being an Islamophobe - he said, I am a critic of Islam, but I have never attacked or killed a Muslim. Bush and Obama, on the other hand, have spoken in praise of Islam, but they have killed thousands of Muslims.

The same goes with Hindus. It is not really possible for an evangelical Christian country to be friendly with pagans/heathens/unbelievers, except to the extent that said pagans/heathens/unbelievers open themselves to conversion. For all its alleged secularism, the US is politically an evangelical Christian country, even if that ideology does not command a majority. Peculiarities in US election law allow a non-majority to dominate.

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 28 Sep 2014 18:39

rvishwak wrote:Rajdeep turdesai heckled by crowd on LIVE TV!!!

Infront of Madison Square....

Link

Please share on SM also.

rvishwak · Post by **rvishwak** » 28 Sep 2014 18:45

vipins wrote:
rvishwak wrote:Rajdeep turdesai heckled by crowd on LIVE TV!!!

Infront of Madison Square....
Link

Please share on SM also.

I was wondering why Burkha is not reporting from ground zero!!

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 28 Sep 2014 18:50

Turdesai asks " can a man change a country" and some one replies " if a woman can loot a country than a man can change it" ,I am loving it!!!!

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 28 Sep 2014 19:01

[youtube]/watch?v=IByLC5yz9ZE[/youtube]

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2014 19:02

Panoramic view... stadium slowly filling up....

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 28 Sep 2014 19:03

Rajdeep Sardesai ‏@sardesairajdeep tweets: Glad we caught the idiots on cam. Only way to shame the mob is to show them.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 19:07

Guys, why was Turdesai hecked by the crowds? Anything he said?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 19:11

Guys, I am watching all 3: TimesNow (Arnab & Co), Headlines Today (Rahul & Turdeasi), and UndY (Bakara). I like Arnab's show for projecting India's strategic interests PoV, and from a soft power PoV, I like Bakara's (please don't beat me me up for praising her show

).

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Sep 2014 19:17

Ram Guha had alleged on twitter that Modi has reduced "Indian Americans" to only mean "Hindu Americans".

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Sep 2014 19:24

Ambar wrote:
sooraj wrote:Modi's convoy in USA

That is the POTUS' convoy and not Modi's.

The logo on the police cars is from Washington DC.

Link

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2014 19:58

Arnab got a verbal dressing down yesterday from a BRFite.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Sep 2014 20:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IByLC5yz9ZE

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 28 Sep 2014 20:17

This site has the best quality stream

http://stream.pmvisit.org/

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 20:20

ramana wrote:Arnab got a verbal dressing down yesterday from a BRFite.

Who was that? I did catch Arnab yesterday, as also today, but which part are you referring to?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 28 Sep 2014 20:22

Hari Seldon wrote:[img=>>]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByoAt-6IgAEnd84.jpg:large[/img]

Ram Guha had alleged on twitter that Modi has reduced "Indian Americans" to only mean "Hindu Americans".

Secularism at its finest where only secular (like evanjalists, jihadis, Maoists) have any legitimacy. Big jhapad to pseudos.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Sep 2014 20:35

vishvak wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:[img=>>]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByoAt-6IgAEnd84.jpg:large[/img]

Ram Guha had alleged on twitter that Modi has reduced "Indian Americans" to only mean "Hindu Americans".
Secularism at its finest where only secular (like evanjalists, jihadis, Maoists) have any legitimacy. Big jhapad to pseudos.

This is product of the highly fine tuned social engineering run by the leftist with the master uncle at the back
With a majority Hindu country they are trying desperately to show a non hindu country

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Sep 2014 20:35

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 20:52

A lot of senators and congress-men/women including Tulsi Gabbard gathered at MSG to see Modi. Is this an impressive list or pretty routine?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Sep 2014 20:57

This is a new kind of thing.
It is the demographics which is pulling the new lawmakers
I meet Tulsi Gabbard often

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 21:11

If I am correct, looking from afar on TV screen, Tulsi Gabbard was in an Indian attire while Nikki Haley was in western suit. Just pointing out. Also, Bobby Jindal didn't show up. Good riddance.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Sep 2014 21:37

Common theme in the speech

65% of young population.
It is rare moment if young population and oldest heritage which no country has

Also 3 main strengths of India
1. Democracy
2. Young population
3. Demand due to large population

These three things are critical for the rest of the world

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 28 Sep 2014 21:46

CRamS wrote:If I am correct, looking from afar on TV screen, Tulsi Gabbard was in an Indian attire while Nikki Haley was in western suit. Just pointing out. Also, Bobby Jindal didn't show up. Good riddance.

Huge "boo's" went around the stadium when his name was announced and said that he could not make it but sends his regards.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 28 Sep 2014 21:52

Mr. Modi's speech in NY's central park at the global citizen festival, where he talks about sanitation, clean water and healthcare for everyone.

Bonus: Ends his speech with "God bless you all. May the force be with you!"

(Fwd to about 6:58)

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 21:54

Great stirring speech by ModiJi. He should cut it short a bit, and I think he should talk a little bit about terrorism. Poor chap he has to watch the pseudo secular say, but he should be bold in declaring terrorism (and make a reference to TSP) as a threat to India as it is to US. It will also put US on the dock. And it will strike a chord with most Indians even though pseudo seculars will pounce on him for being "communal", and TSP will howl.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2014 22:35

SSJi, I know you said you don't watch Bharka Didi. But her coverage of ModiJi's visit has been excellent to date, even cracked up a tad after his speech. She is also dressed for the occasion. Lets cut her some slack and see if she has redeemed herself

. Her coverage of TSP will tell us.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Sep 2014 22:39

CRamS wrote:SSJi, I know you said you don't watch Bharka Didi. But her coverage of ModiJi's visit has been excellent to date, even cracked up a tad after his speech. She is also dressed for the occasion. Lets cut her some slack and see if she has redeemed herself . Her coverage of TSP will tell us.

Bullsh*t. I don't fall for this garbage. I'll be happy when she ends up in Tihar.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 28 Sep 2014 22:45

I really like that fact that he has taken it on himself to clean that trashed up Ganges river.

The Anti Hindu congress govt made sure no money was spent and made sure to atrophy the Ganges.

The Ganges has become the shame of us Hindus.... And I am glad, cleaning up this river is priority next to economy!

Remember, The Anti Hindus love the fact that the Ganges is dirty.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 28 Sep 2014 22:47

Eeeeyup. Bakra is working on her rendition of Hudabaiya is all. The transgressions of the past are too deep and too grave to forget. Hope none in the Modi establishment fall for the sheet,