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I like Vamsi Juluri's articulation of why Modi gets the rock-star reception every time from the wealthy and not so wealthy global diaspora:

What Modi visit really means for Indians living in America
For the diaspora, Prime Minister Narendra Modi's trips are not just about business and patriotism, as news reports often make them out to be. What you see and feel when you are there in these community events for him is a manifestation of the ultimate joy NRIs know in their lives far from India: the arrival of someone dear to them from home.

We have all been in that moment here, in this work-hard-get-credit American Dream where the material comforts we grew up craving back in India (and all the more so for those of us who were born before liberalisation) somehow all became instantly and easily available, but what we missed most of all was just home, and its people. The international arrivals area of any US airport still shows you what it is that remains important to us; American-born children rushing into their harrowed but happy grandmothers and grandfathers' arms, college friends welcoming their old roommates, waiting faces hoping despite all the stores that sell them widely here that the pickles somehow made it through … lives from here and there reunite every day, happily.

And one day, a prime minister of India walks in too, just like that.

It is not easy for academicians to understand this phenomenon. When I saw the roaring crowd at the amphitheatre with its heavy-metal ads for capitalist India in Madison Square Garden last September, I wondered too if this adulation was nothing more than a manufactured spectacle, not quite Nuremberg as the nuttier and nastier comparisons made it out to be, but still a circus with no meaning beyond that. But the fact is that here the spectacle, the well-organised machinery that churns out events like a Bollywood formula, does not supply the meaning of the man who is at the heart of it. That, he does himself, or, one could say, the people do it through him. It is an inseparable dance of democracy that expresses itself here, in the diaspora, in ways that are peculiar to its lifestyle, but true to its life's spirit, still.

Close to one thousand people were there at the Fairmont Hotel in San Jose yesterday to meet the prime minister. It was the quintessential suburban Indian diaspora event; almost a pre-celebration for the volunteers and their families who have been working intensely to put together the much larger stadium event. They were invited in groups of ten on to the stage for a brief photo-op. There was some shoving as people tried to get to the spot beside him, but it only made the audience laugh. In fact the mood, for the whole hour or so that the prime minister was there was one of warmth and levity.
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There have been some whispers flying about that a visit to Twitter HQ was not pursued enthusiastically..
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Satya_anveshi wrote:Modi usually praises the host nation and in this case host state of california and how Indians connected with it since 19th century. This is in stark contract with Obama who kept pooping on India during his visit.
Satya_anveshi: astute observation by you - POTUSes, especially the dems, have a chip on their shoulder. Unfortunately par for the course till India punches at its weight. NaMo is changing the narrative to some extent.
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Teetar HQ visit must have been a problem due to logistics. Same for the Ghadr party HQ. It was amazing to see Zero disruption due to Modi visit. Not surprising for a PM whose mother still travels by autorickshaw.
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Amber G. wrote:ArmenT - There were about 18,500 people..and yes, there was a large IIT crowd..:)
Anyone knows why Kamala Harris did not show up?
(And Loretta Sanchez - the one who is running against was there)
Was srimati Tulsi Gabbard there?
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Raja Bose wrote:Can one imagine Rahul Baba or Kejri or Manmohan having the intelligence or grace to do such a thing? I think not. If India does not elect Modi for a 2nd term, then it deserves the most pathetic "leaders" on the planet.
Kesariwala and RaGa are too egotistic. Sri MM Singh is a little - let us say - self conscious (too stiff) to go to that extent.
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Raja Bose wrote:Teetar HQ visit must have been a problem due to logistics. Same for the Ghadr party HQ. It was amazing to see Zero disruption due to Modi visit. Not surprising for a PM whose mother still travels by autorickshaw.
NaMo is an absolute gem of a man. His mom, Imo, has endowed him with a strong character.
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vayu tuvan wrote:
Amber G. wrote:ArmenT - There were about 18,500 people..and yes, there was a large IIT crowd..:)
Anyone knows why Kamala Harris did not show up?
(And Loretta Sanchez - the one who is running against was there)
Was srimati Tulsi Gabbard there?
Yes, she was.
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If any of you have choked through most of the Indian national anthem, not because of any inner conflict but because of being overwhelmed by the beauty of being surrounded by over 10,000 people, including the Indian Prime Minister, in a foreign land, singing the anthem in unison with the voice of a melodic group of children and the masses reverberating throughout the arena, then you will understand what it was like to be at the SAP Center tonight.
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PratikDas wrote:If any of you have choked through most of the Indian national anthem, not because of any inner conflict but because of being overwhelmed by the beauty of being surrounded by over 10,000 people, including the Indian Prime Minister, in a foreign land, singing the anthem in unison with the voice of a melodic group of children and the masses reverberating throughout the arena, then you will understand what it was like to be at the SAP Center tonight.
I choked watching it on youtube too :-)
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Can someone post a proper YouTube video of the SAP Center event? The one Amber G posted seems to have no sound! :shock:
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http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/09 ... i-s28.html

Posting it here as it concerns Indian and American cooperation more.
No less significant was the statement’s announcement that India and the US will “enhance cooperation in peacekeeping capacity building” with “a focus on training aspects for UN peacekeepers, especially in identified African countries.” The statement did not name the African countries involved, but Kerry later said that there are potentially six. It is speculated that the “joint” initiative may involve providing training to military forces from Niger, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Senegal, Togo and Ghana—all countries where US Special Forces troops are already acting as “trainers” and “advisors.”

Even if initially it is being done in the name of UN peacekeeping, India’s commitment to working jointly with the US military in Africa marks a qualitative change in Indo-US strategic ties. It goes far beyond the ad hoc Indo-US cooperation seen in various disaster-relief missions since the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.
Interesting !!
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The anthems start at around 1:57:50

SHQ was unable to attend with me and she pointed out that the kids took liberties with harmonies of the Indian anthem. To be honest, this is only apparent in the video because the audio focuses largely on the kids. If you were at the venue, you also heard over 10,000 people singing the anthem the only way they know how, and it was magical.
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Modiji got elected by the People of India to be their PM to represent them for the first five years. His popularity has grown leaps and bounds after that and now more and more Indians know him even better. His popularity has only grown. So in the next elections you can only imagine him to win with even more votes and seats. This is the people's revolution through democratic means.
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Although out of scope for this thread, if I may say so, he won the first time because of the promises he made. He will win the 2nd time if he is able to deliver on some number of those promises. Only successful delivery will keep the masses from believing the daily volley of outrage the presstitutes are sure to attack him with come next elections.
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The attacks on him are a daily affair from the time he became the Gujarat CM. So it's not new to him. Promises were made by everyone. Modi is unique.
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PratikDas

Successful delivery is happening. Kindly see the achievements tracking thread, and just read only articles which say something has already been done. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... f=1&t=6812

You will see how different it has been in comparison to the last decade.

That was when saint SoniaG was unselfish enough to put an entire country's interests on 10-year hold so her puppet Manmohan could warm the premier's seat for her son Rahul.
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arshyam wrote:Odd, there appeared to be scattered empty seats here and there. Though the occupancy seemed uniformly distributed, a few empty patches was visible. In my mind, I was scolding those fellows who got passes and didn't show up :evil:
a) Must have gone to pakistans, but there was long line in front because SJCC has not benefited from "Swacch Bharat" Phase 1.

b) May have been acquired by South Asia Scholars, who could not find the way to the front door because of their 404-ness.

Just guessing. Or maybe they came in so drunk that they were under the seats by the time the speech started.
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svinayak wrote: Rohit Bansal was being questioned if India can replicate SV in India.
Absolutely. The next SV will be in India. We have the capital, the business acumen, the brains and the brawn. What was missing was the political will. And now we have that in bucket loads.

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Today we are living the end of the longest stretch of time in which "the easy money camp" has been in power both politically and monetarily. For a century now they have been easing our money more and more(read inflating). This has helped the US technology leap immensely. Just think about it. Silicon Valley wants to invest in new tech. Globally, many people with means hold dollars as savings. They are willing to invest their money to gain a return on their money. They are advised by the large banks (either American or JV with Americans) to invest in silicon valley. The capital inflow is huge. Not many areas elsewhere are that lucky. Silicon valley emerged and the dollar inflows made it huge.
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Raja Bose wrote:Can someone post a proper YouTube video of the SAP Center event? The one Amber G posted seems to have no sound! :shock:
It had sound.. But there is a site devoted to the visit, which I found using Googleswara without trouble.

Took me a long time to figure out why there was such a long echo delay: both videos were playing at the same time, and one was delayed w.r.t. the other!
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Having lived abroad for a considerable time,one understands the nostalgic factor ,love of the motherland when in an alien environment.One races to defend it when it is criticised,but at home and rightly so,one must question its flaws and leaders when required.For Indians,the emotion displayed can't easily be understood easily by an American,as we are steeped in our nation's culture,religions,history,etc.,which spans millennia.The US is barely 2+ centuries old,independence in 1776!
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I have said this before, but at the end of the day, if ModiJi has succeeded in attracting US high-tech investment to make some difference in job growth in India, that is more important than any bogus news media coverage of his trip, of which there is none.

My take on this lack of coverage is that India US relations are nowhere at the level hyped by Indian media, or it could also be that just as a visit by UK head of state or German head of state etc with whom US has good relations and so they don't make as much as when Chinese head of state visits, likewise, India US relations are somewhat stable if not strategic, and hence nothing much to talk about. Business as usual.

Cong and its DDM mouthpieces are going to go berserk next few days over ModiJi's emotional moment at FB, and his barbs on the madam

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world/how ... bDGLP.html
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Kashi wrote:
RoyG wrote:This is all feel good talk. The cold reality is we're alone to a great extent in this fight. American's won't tolerate arming another competitor after what happened with China. There will be companies flocking to India but perhaps not the extent of China. Pakistan will be kept around and terror will be tolerated as long as it bites others.
Not really. I believe there are subliminal hints that he's laying down to the Americans and the rest. He appears to be saying, "You did not help us when we were fighting these savages on our own. We overcame them without you and in spite of you and we'll continue to do so in the future. So do not expect us to join your damned coalitions to 'fight terror', because you want us to.

We WILL continue to grow, with you without you in spite of you (shamelessly paraphrased from PVNR :mrgreen: ). In the spirit of cooperation, I as the elected representative of 1.2 billion strong Indians, invite you to participate in this endeavour."

The aim is to improve the Indian economy to such an extent that feeding the Pakis and their egos becomes irrelevant to us.
Right, feel good talk wrt Indo-US relations. All these US companies can do is help us a little along the way. Only three things are needed: Indian housewife, Rajya Sabha majority, and reform.
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JE Menon wrote:

Successful delivery is happening. Kindly see the achievements tracking thread, and just read only articles which say something has already been done.
You will see how different it has been in comparison to the last decade.

That was when saint SoniaG was unselfish enough to put an entire country's interests on 10-year hold so her puppet Manmohan could warm the premier's seat for her son Rahul.
PLEASE why so much tension against Rahul. It's not only NaMo who is in US.. Rahul is also:

Having a very interesting discussions on the global economy the disruptive power of tech at the conference in a place in US in California Colorado -

Please click the link above... Why no one is covering that event? Han-jee?

(Note: Before you others get all riled-up -- remember some posts are made with tongue in cheek :mrgreen: )
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Just realized one major positive from the California event. The lefty-secular brigade is now being looked at as a loony fringe group in the public space. They're no different than those post modern lefty occupy wall street protesters. There was such a build up from their side which flopped big time. All this dalit freedom-khalistani-2002-secular BS is not even background noise.
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I think PratikDas is not telling what he means by success.
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JE Menon wrote:
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That was when saint SoniaG was unselfish enough to put an entire country's interests on 10-year hold so her puppet Manmohan could warm the premier's seat for her son Rahul.

Unstoppable machine of Modi is creating real fear.

Rahul working on anti-PM protests in US
For close to nine months, the Congress VP has been meeting ‘representatives of civil society from India’ in London and New York.

In the last 10 years if RG had put the same effort in the development and growth of economy in India then he would not be travelling round the world. Party cannot be bigger than the country. 'INDIA FIRST'
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Is that Amit shah in waistcoat next to raga lol?
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Modi's US visit proves media is wrong about him

A new innovative India

Modi's second visit to the USA may be more important than his first and shows a deepening connection on many levels - and an increasing popularity for his message, with a tremendous response from both the business and Indian-American communities.

The need for new entrepreneurs and start-up companies in India is the key to its success in years to come and to its global impact. This has been the highlight of Modi's visit, where he has actively engaged the new technology in all of its forms, particularly in Silicon Valley.

The US economy encourages entrepreneurship and allows for people to be innovative. That is why the US remains ahead in the world in terms of economics and research, a fact that Modi has realised. The socialist world did not allow this, especially India's stifling bureaucracy that still does not want to loosen its grip on the nation.

It is a new business world today, no longer the old heavy industries, but the high tech and communication realms that link the world together. In this new era, India has an important place and can make a great contribution. Now Modi is working with world high-tech companies to bring the internet to the villages of India, so that all groups in the country can benefit from it.

Modi's travels break the anti-Modi images that we find in the Indian media. Attacking Modi as anti-progressive and dictatorial in India, such groups find it hard to see Modi honoured as pro-development and pro-communication on the global stage.

No doubt opposition political leaders in India would like to be where Modi is in the world today, but they have lacked the vision to do so, though they have had many opportunities in the past.
Prior to Modi, India was largely contracted within its own national and regional issues and seemed to lack the confidence to project itself on the world stage. Its leaders were afraid of any real economic engagement and were not open to the global economy.

India's leftist politics have long kept it aloof from the rest of the world, especially the USA. Even today India's leftists do not want the country to reach out to the world, but prefer to keep it undeveloped and uninformed, perhaps hoping that India's voters will not take a global or nationalistic view and get caught in local rivalries only.

The main previous economic reforms were done under the Vajpayee BJP era. The Congress party reluctantly continued some of these, but stopped most after 2009, preferring to return to an older socialist agenda. The party's strident anti-business rhetoric has not helped the country, though it seems unwilling to give that up even today.
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Here is another view (from twitter :!: ), along with Power Point Slide..

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- @OfficeOfRG ji attending conference on "How to integrate the ideas from Chhota Bheem, Doraemon & Ben10 in Congress"
- The reason the event is in Colorado, is that certain substances are still not legal in California..
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Philip wrote:Having lived abroad for a considerable time,one understands the nostalgic factor ,love of the motherland when in an alien environment.One races to defend it when it is criticised,but at home and rightly so,one must question its flaws and leaders when required.For Indians,the emotion displayed can't easily be understood easily by an American,as we are steeped in our nation's culture,religions,history,etc.,which spans millennia.The US is barely 2+ centuries old,independence in 1776!
I'm trying to understand the context of your argument. Are you saying Americans are not emotional? or Indians are not displaying American nationalism? rather me guessing, can you please tell? thx
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Local Media: Inside and Outside SAP stadium..
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This is the best article so far. Also fits the geopolitical thread

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/modi-us-v ... /6502.html
Biggest takeaway of Modi's US visit: India has finally risen above its region
The PM's attention must now be unflinchingly on economic reforms.

The rockstar reception Prime Minister Narendra Modi received in San Jose, California, on Sunday evening may have stolen the headlines. But after six action-packed days in the United States, culminating in a bilateral with President Barack Obama in New York on Monday, the real takeaway from Modi's US visit is this: India has finally risen above its region.

The contours of the Modi government's strategy are now sharply etched. They rest on two key pillars: the economy and geopolitics.

The first clear priority is to focus singlemindedly on the economy. That includes attracting foreign and domestic investment in infrastructure, manufacturing, digital technology, education and healthcare. Former US President Bill Clinton, during his 1992 presidential campaign, immortalised the phrase: "It's the economy, stupid." Prime Minister Modi needs to place that principle at the heart of his government's geoeconomic policy.

The world respects hard power: economic, military and diplomatic. Soft power - culture, diaspora, innovation - is a necessary but not sufficient condition for converting the emerging US-China bipolar world order into a tripolar world order with India as the third angle of this triangle of power.


The PM's attention must now be unflinchingly on economic reforms. His meeting with 47 CEOs in New York and an elite group of technology entrepreneurs in California threw up one overwhelming message for the Indian economy: right direction, wrong speed. Unless the pace of economic reforms picks up, India's seven percent annual GDP growth rate will not be enough to raise 300 million people out of debilitating poverty quickly enough.

The key reforms?

Tax policy must be clear and consistent. Bureaucratic red tape must be cut. Project implementation must be speeded up. The ease of doing business must rapidly improve. Everyone recognises India is the world's second largest market. The only thing holding back a flood of foreign direct investment (FDI) is decrepit public infrastructure, a colonial-era bureaucracy, rampant corruption and opaque governance.

Modi fought the Lok Sabha election on the promise of rectifying precisely these problems. But they have proved harder to tackle than he imagined. The governance ecosystem he inherited from the Congress is broken. The prime minister has erred in not being more ruthless with the detritus of this old, fixer-and-crony driven system. Some in the BJP, especially the Delhi unit, are a silent part of this system.

The prime minister must fix the talent gap in the government by co-opting technocrats from the private sector. If a KV Kamath can be appointed chairman of BRICS Bank in Shanghai, there is no reason why top talent from the corporate and academic world can't be attracted to positions in government. The recent decision to hire chairmen of select PSU banks from the private sector is a move in the right direction. The PM knows that the Aadhar scheme, which is central to his financial inclusion strategy, was created by the UPA government's one sensible private sector appointee with cabinet rank: Nandan Nilekani. The Modi government needs several Nilekanis in key positions - and there is no shortage of such individuals.

Let's look at some hard numbers. At an annual growth rate of seven per cent, India's nominal GDP will double to $5 trillion (Rs. 33 lakh crore) in ten years. By then China's GDP, assuming an average annual growth rate of six per cent, would have risen from $11 trillion to $19 trillion. America's GDP in ten years, at an average annual growth rate of three per cent, would have increased from $18 trillion to $25 trillion.

The picture changes dramatically, however, if through strong economic reforms India ups its annual GDP growth rate from seven to nine per cent. Within ten years, India's GDP would then rise from $2.50 trillion to $6 trillion, edging out a deflationary Japan to become the world's third largest economy after the US and China. If purchasing power parity (PPP) numbers - which the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank (WB) routinely use - are taken, India's GDP in 2025 at an annual growth rate of nine per cent would be even higher - roughly $14 trillion to China's $34 trillion and America's $25 trillion.

The arc of containment

It is argued, both in government and outside it, that India must maintain good relations with Pakistan to ensure that our economic progress is not derailed by a country obsessed with parity with India. That parity of course is a myth: India's economy is currently nine times larger than Pakistan's. At current respective growth rates, within ten years it will be nearly twenty times as large.

How then should India control Pakistan's juvenile behavior across the border? The key is to neutralise Islamabad's geopolitical support structure. Pakistan's principal benefactors are China, the US, Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The PM has shrewdly begun the neutralisation process with the UAE. A visit to Saudi Arabia is next in line. The rapidly developing India-US partnership will further cut American support to Pakistan.

That leaves China. Here India must build on its relationships with Vietnam and Japan, both victims of Chinese bullying. In 1979, Vietnam fought and won a short, sharp conflict with China. It remains an implacable opponent of Chinese expansion in the region. Japan has a long history of conflict with China. Beijing still smarts over Japanese occupation of parts of its territory during the Second World War. The dispute over islands in the East China Sea continues to poison relations between the two Asian economic powerhouses.

India must therefore build an "arc of containment" from Vietnam and Japan in the east to the US in the west. A self-absorbed country like China respects strength and strategic insight in its opponents. India through the decades has shown neither. Now it can and must display both.

Vice-president Joe Biden underlined the importance Washington attaches to New Delhi when he said that the US wants to be India's "best friend". For the US, China is the principal economic and geostrategic threat. India represents the only credible counterweight to China. For India too, the US represents an important component in its arc of containment directed at China.

By containing China with geopolitical locks, its support to Pakistan will be capped. Simultaneously, the strategy with Saudi Arabia and the UAE will remove some of the back-end support Pakistan currently receives. Afghanistan meanwhile is turning increasingly hostile towards Pakistan. President Mohammad Ashraf Ghani began his tenure over a year ago as a Pakistani ally. He was far more sympathetic to Pakistan than his predecessor President Hamid Karzai. But in recent months a spate of terror attacks by Pakistan-based Taliban factions have turned him against Islamabad.

Pakistan in turn blames the Afghanistan government for not doing enough to curtail terrorists targeting Pakistan and operating from Afghan territory. The attack on a Pakistan military air base on September 18 killed 29 people. Within hours of the attack Islamabad said phone intercepts showed Taliban gunmen involved in the raid were being directed by handlers in Afghanistan. The Afghan people in survey after survey have blamed Pakistan for the insurgency in their country - and simultanelously praised India's role in building schools, hospitals and roads across Afghanistan.

In a recent oped in the Hindustan Times, Sameer Lalwani argued that the costs of "confronting" Pakistan would be very high. This is disingenous and simply wrong. It echoes the shrewd Pakistani strategy of threatening "economic derailment" to deter India from retaliating to its "hit-and-run" terror. It is a fradulent argument that needs to be buried.

These then are India's geostrategic cards: Vietnam, Japan and the US to pin China down; Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Afghanistan to reduce Pakistan's elbow room in the region; Iran, Israel and the littoral states of the Indian Ocean to strengthen India's hands. The Modi government inherited a scorched-earth economy and directionless diplomacy. The challenge is to fix the economy with robust reforms and reshape its geopolitical strategy by creating an arc of containment looping from Vietnam to the US.

Many in this government, including disappointingly home minister Rajnath Singh, repeat the old cliché that you cannot change your neighbours - suggesting India must somehow learn to live with Pakistan-promoted terrorism. It's true you can't change your neighbours. But by applying to them the right geopolitical medicine, you can change their behaviour.

#Pakistan, #Geopolitics, #Modi in US
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Genuine Indic thoughts are not about poles at all! it is at the magnetic hot core of the Earth to get a perspective of impact possibilities! People have to raise above from under the bonded bench they are in now, to realize their own potentials. This is exactly what Modiji is saying.. IOW, don't look at Kejriwala or Lalloowala to understand this.
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From Dilip D'Souza's twitter pages- a real sour assessment of Modi's visit, with pure negativism, and no suggestion of whether Singh, Kejriwal, Rahul et al could have done better, or even what they would have said that would have made the interaction more sincere and productive.

Just negativism. D'Souza in his articles tries to show up Hindus, and make Moslems and Christians look good, or like victims.


http://qz.com/511897/modi-and-zuckerber ... substance/



Damp squib
Modi and Zuckerberg’s big Facebook town hall had tears but little substance
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Such a letdown. (Reuters/Stephen Lam)
Written by
Devjyot Ghoshal
Diksha Madhok
September 27, 2015 Quartz india

The leader of the world’s largest democracy and the founder of one of the world’s most influential technology companies sat down for a public chat—and it turned out to be a spectacular letdown.

Almost everything in the 50-minute-long chat between Narendra Modi and Mark Zuckerberg reeked of PR-scented hot air.

True, the two hadn’t really defined much of a
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What do you expect of a critter who sat in Mumbai and called for a foreign invasion to destroy India's elected government, back in 2002?
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Mr/Mrs Whitelicker?
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Almost everything in the 50-minute-long chat between Narendra Modi and Mark Zuckerberg reeked of PR-scented hot air.
Man!

That precisely is part of the job of a PM and a CEO.

All of them do it. And all of us typically buy into it too. It works.
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More good PR (xpost)
I liked Obama's speech in UN today. Very powerful and inspiring...

And to put icing on the cake: (NaMo is good)!
(Obama warmly received Modi by hugging him before their meeting)

Modi thanks Obama on support for UNSC permanent membership :!:

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We have resolved to deepen cooperation on counter-terrorism and extremism.
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