Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 27 Oct 2016 02:49

^^^ Thanks. Now that is the other extreme of intellectual dishonesty, all the way across the spectrum from "guilt by association". It's called a strawman.

Miscast the opponent's argument as something else altogether, add some emoticons to distract from the credibility of your own content. Package it all up in 140 characters or less, and away you go.

We're learning a lot about the Shrillary Killton methods of disinformation on this superbly educational thread!

Dinesh S · Post by **Dinesh S** » 27 Oct 2016 02:53

Hitesh wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:
Per Diktat-e-Adminullahs I am not supposed to respond directly to certain (never mind) who make a habit of vicious personal attacks but they don't feel any need obey the same rules? MUST be a Hillary Fan!!
I became a Hillary fan after I watch a die hard avowed fan of Trump, Alex Jones, make this following video:

After watching this video and other videos of Alex Jones and seeing Trump being endorsed by the likes of these people, yeah I became a big time Hillary Fan in seconds. Theres no way I want to live under a guy whos being endorsed by these craaayyzies.

But muslim extremists will be voting for Hilary since she their best choice. So you will be endorcing a crook who will be endorced by islamists? Does that make you an Islamist? Man i din't know brf had islamists masquerading as indian nationalists/jingos

Guilt by association people. It is very good. Guilt by association

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2016 04:33

Primus, NYT's Maureen Dowd made same point about the lead gap between HRC and DT in City arts and Lectures on KQED Radion which is an NPR station. She however pointed out the HRC lead went up after the Billy Bush tapes release and whoever did it was a master stroke.
DT has not recovered yet form that as of her interview.
Polls seem different today.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2016 04:45

One possibility is HRC gets the electoral votes and DT the popular vote.
Possibility is remote as there are more Democrat voters registered than Republicans.
Besides traditional Republicans don't support DT!
Contrary to this is many new voters got registered as this is a change election.
A lot of Republicans showed up in primaries vs. Democrats.
Further Obama elections are not a bench mark as many blacks came to vote to take part in a historical event.
HRC candidacy is also historic.
Blacks in Southern states as shown in primaries supported HRC. Same time more whites in Southern states except S Carolina.
Blacks in Industrial states supported Bernie and voted for jobs.
So these may stay at home or vote for DT. More likely former.

So lots of FUD in the pre poll math.

However the talk shows brought out old war horses who had worked on the Bush-Gore law suit
So efforts are underway to clam the public if the electoral and popular votes are not aligned.
Its possible that some law suit will be filed and dispatched properly to show Democracy prevailed.

Hope Nov 8th we get clear verdict and don't have to go thru more agony.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 27 Oct 2016 04:49

Not just islamists, but the whole breaking India cabal of Marxists, Missionaries, and mullahs as well. Windy P0rnd!gger and Shoddy Bollock's child Truschke is an ardent HiC supporter.

As far as Trump being a neo-Nazi with KKK support, the funny thing is that his daughter Ivanka married a Jew and converted to Judaism herself. Trump's main speechwriter Stephen Miller is a Jew, as is a secretive billionaire funder Robert Mercer (wall street quant who earlier made seminal contributions to machine translation at Watson) and his daughter Rebekah. Another billionaire backing him, Sheldon Adelson, is Jewish as well. Now, the people neo-Nazis hate more than anyone else are Jews. And yet what kind of a goy alpha would allow HIS OWN DAUGHTER to become a Jew? And not be estranged from her and allow her and her son-in-law to be running the campaign? If anyone is being conned, it is these neo-Nazis

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MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 27 Oct 2016 04:56

In any case, why is there so much emotionalism amongst HiC supporters. On this phorum at least, regardless of HiC or DoT support, I thought we were all dal-sabzi eating soch-samaj thande khoon ke peepuls onlee.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Oct 2016 06:25

Trumpanzee must be reading PeeAref. I ask what happened to 3rd Y, and here it comes:
Trump vows to fight Israel's enemies

"Together, we will stand up to enemies like Iran bent on destroying Israel and her people," Trump said in the taped message, which lasted less than one minute and was shown at an event in Jerusalem. The crowd of approximately 200 -- some wearing "Make America Great Again" caps -- cheered and chanted "Trump! Trump!" and "Lock her up!"

"Israel is not just our strongest ally in the region. As I've said for so many years, Israel is our most cherished ally in the world," Pence said. "Donald Trump and I stand with Israel because Israel's fight is our fight. Israel's cause is our cause. And Israel's fate is our fate."
During the campaign, Trump has pledged to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
The Trump effort in Israel largely targeted two groups of voters: American-Israelis and evangelical Christians. With between 200,000 and 300,000 American voters living in Israel and the West Bank, Republican volunteers believe there may be enough votes to make a difference in some key swing states if the results are close.
David Friedman, Trump's policy advisor on Israel, spoke at the first gathering and accused the US State Department of being "anti-Israel and anti-Semitic for the past 70 years" because of its opposition to moving the US embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.
"When Donald Trump has his first meeting with the lifers in the State Department, they're going to say, 'Well, you know Mr. Trump, with all due respect, you've only been president for a couple of days, we've been living here for the last 20 years and we don't do it that way, we do it this way. We don't move the embassy,'" Friedman said.
"The reaction from Donald Trump will be, 'You know what guys, you're all fired,'" he added.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 27 Oct 2016 07:36

Rudradev wrote:The above assertion is interesting. Guilt by Association is now universally recognized as a favorite crutch of the "Victims of Intolerance" brigade. In ANY society.

Lol. You haven't actually seen his exchange with Jake Tapper have you?

JAKE TAPPER, CNN: I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage.

Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don't want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?

DONALD TRUMP: Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. OK? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know.

I don't know, did he endorse me or what's going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.

TAPPER: But I guess the question from the Anti-Defamation League is, even if you don't know about their endorsement, there are these groups and individuals endorsing you. Would you just say unequivocally you condemn them and you don't want their support?

TRUMP: Well, I have to look at the group. I mean, I don't know what group you're talking about.

You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. I would have to look. If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them. And, certainly, I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong.

TAPPER: The Ku Klux Klan?

TRUMP: But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair. So, give me a list of the groups, and I will let you know.

TAPPER: OK. I mean, I'm just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but...

TRUMP: I don't know any -- honestly, I don't know David Duke. I don't believe I have ever met him. I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him. And I just don't know anything about him.

This isn't 'guilt by association', this is classic Trump... stuffing his foot in his mouth on national television. And then complaining that oh-so-biased media keeps broadcasting his own words to the public.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Oct 2016 08:01

Viv: Seriously I have zero respect for anyone who is so gullible to believe absolute trash. .. As Einstein once said "“The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits." (Fortunately I don't know a single person here in US -- and some of these people are as Republican as they come - who thinks the way some people here seem to post... not to that extent. It tells me more about brf posters.

Anyway I think everyone must watch this 1 minute video -- Trust me, if you have not watched it, it's worth your time.
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/790975005102370816
(The video is of Trump talking about Clinton in 2008)

(This is my first post in this dhaga -- probably the last -- but thought you may like the video, if you have not seen it).

Just for perspective, the neighborhood I am living for last 32 years consists of about 80% registered Republicans. (The election record is public so I (or anyone else) can see the voting list (along with info such as their voting history - party affiliation etc). In all years (except 2008) virtually all the yard signs were Republicans. Yet, this year there is NO sigh for Trump - *all* local republicans who are running keeping their distance from Trump - Our Senator running for re-election has not endorsed Trump even though they are getting VERY rough time, (harassment) from Trump's supporters --- I have NOT seen a SINGLE person who I think is decent supporting Trump -- This includes not only local leaders but all ex-POTUS's, SOS's etc.. etc..

- Of course we all know the race is quite close so there are *many* Trump supporters, it is just that I don't know any (with even a slight respect for the person) in real life who will admit it.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 27 Oct 2016 08:09

One person's trash is another person's treasure.

It seems the intolerance brigade has descended over BRF too and will never countenance even a slightest critique of their long and steadfastly held beliefs.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Oct 2016 08:27

Kashi wrote:One person's trash is another person's treasure.
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Of course!
This is why people like me almost never or VERY rarely bother to put something here, and brf is more like an echo-chamber -- at least that's how it looks to some of us.

Just wanted to point that out.. of course some of us will not care to carry on "debate" as it is obvious that people are not going to change their mind and the debate itself may annoy some people.
Over and out.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Oct 2016 08:54

Can't believe that the great US intelligence services would miss out such intel or have they taken their stupid overconfident eyes off the ball??

or will the lead footed, lumbering US engineer a coup, like it normally does under such circumstances??

the role of the obama govt needs to be deeply studied, including the actual reasons for President Rodrigo Duterte's jumping ship act.

Black lentils onlee.

Rodrigo Duterte, in Japan, Calls for U.S. Troops to Exit Philippines in 2 Years

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Oct 2016 09:09

Some indicators: Early voting numbers show Clinton's strength in Arizona, other battlegrounds

Toss up leaning Dems.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 27 Oct 2016 09:28

nobody has Trump signs because they are afraid of getting their home or car vandalized. one of the more "charming" aspects of this election.

the main attraction of the donald is that he is not hillary.

i'm not voting until I think some sanity returns to democracy.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 27 Oct 2016 09:39

Kashi: question the Intolerance Brigade and they will start playing the victim in two seconds flat. They are so bankrupt of any substantial ideas whatsoever, that they vacillate between exactly two modes:
(a) being dismissively supercilious about the deplorable quality of "most" BRF posters and
(b) when called on their abject horse$hit, whining about how they have become victims of BRF's "moral compass" police.

Straight from the playbook of the Clinton (and Maino) dynasties, of course.

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 27 Oct 2016 09:59

TSJones wrote:nobody has Trump signs because they are afraid of getting their home or car vandalized. one of the more "charming" aspects of this election.

I was in Dallas a week back and thats exactly what several of my relatives and friends spoke about. Infact, they are not even putting up HRC yard signs as well. Everyone spoke about how Trump is bad but I guess everyone is also tight-lipped on whom they will vote as well.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 27 Oct 2016 10:39

TSJones wrote:nobody has Trump signs because they are afraid of getting their home or car vandalized. one of the more "charming" aspects of this election.

This is precisely the point. Many of "us" are afraid of retribution from our colleagues on a professional level, losing friends with whom we agree with on most every issue, having personal property vandalized, and being physically attacked by rabid HiC supporters who are using the playbook of Mamta Banerjee's TMC Congress.

As I said, there are many quiet closet DT supporters who will vote this season and hopefully they can make a 3-4% difference in states that are close.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 27 Oct 2016 10:43

Mort Walker wrote:This is precisely the point. Many of "us" are afraid of retribution from our colleagues on a professional level, losing friends with whom we agree with on most every issue, having personal property vandalized, and being physically attacked by rabid HiC supporters who are using the playbook of Mamta Banerjee's TMC Congress.

So at some point does it descend into the situation we see in Kerala with CPI(M) cadres attacking RSS? Can't be too far with the way things appear to be headed.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 27 Oct 2016 10:52

^^^What I am afraid of is the smart ejicated folks like AmberG-ji, using political registration information to look up party affiliation and then use bogus law suits against people who were openly for DT after 08 November. It's coming.

So at some point does it descend into the situation we see in Kerala with CPI(M) cadres attacking RSS? Can't be too far with the way things appear to be headed.

We've already seen in it North Carolina where a Republican party office was fire bombed. That too in a traditionally Republican state in the south.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Oct 2016 16:31

I can understand hating Trump for his boorishness and pathetic attitude.

What is this love for Hillary? Love so strong that makes me wonder where is it coming from and why.

12 millions from Moroccos, 1 mil from Quatar all negotiated by Billary
They collected 53 mil for Indian earthquake victims (mostly Indian Americans) and spent 2.7 mil. Rest pocketed by foundation
same for Haiti victim funds

In 2014 raised 147 mil, spent 5 or 6 mil on real causes and 90 mil on travel/misc/admin/office etc.

Can you imagine what she will do in office for another 8 years?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/h ... inc-230364

The unusual and brash rejoinder from veteran Clinton aide and Teneo Consulting co-founder Doug Band is scattered across the thousands of hacked emails published by WikiLeaks, but a memo released Wednesday provides the most detailed look to date at the intertwined worlds of nonprofit, for-profit, official and political activities involving Clinton and many of his top aides.

The memo at one point refers bluntly to the money-making part of Clinton’s life as “Bill Clinton Inc.” and notes that in at least one case a company — global education firm Laureate International Universities — began paying Clinton personally after first being a donor to the Clinton Foundation.

The 12-page document, prepared in November 2011 by Band with input from Clinton adviser John Podesta, came as Chelsea Clinton was pressing for changes to the foundation’s governance and complaining that Band, Teneo co-founder Declan Kelly and others were profiting from their ties to her father and the foundation.

In the memo, addressed to outside lawyers conducting a review of the foundation’s governance, Band insists that the relationship actually benefited the foundation financially, by bringing in new donors.

“Cognizant of the Foundation’s significant fundraising needs as well as my role as the primary fundraiser for the Foundation for the past 11 years, as a partner in Teneo, Mr. Kelley [sic] and I have asked and encouraged our clients to contribute to the Foundation,” Band wrote. “Through our efforts, we have brought new donors to the Foundation and garnered increased giving from existing donors.”

“Laureate is a Foundation relationship that evolved into a personal advisory services business relationship for President Clinton. … Laureate pays President Clinton $3.5 million annually to provide advice and serve as their Honorary Chairman,” Band wrote. “Gems approached President Clinton in 2009 to seek his personal services as an advisor to the company. ... [Clinton aide Justin Cooper] and I convinced them to initiate a relationship to the Foundation, which they did; that relationship has grown into a business relationship for President Clinton and a donor relationship for CGI.”

“Neither Justin nor I are separately compensated for these activities (e.g. we do not receive a fee for, or percentage of, the more than $50 million in for-profit activity we have personally helped to secure for President Clinton to date or the $66 million in future contracts, should he choose to continue with those engagements),” Band wrote.

Band also says he was involved in soliciting and obtaining “as appropriate, in-kind services for the President and his family — for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like.”

"How then do we go through an exercise like this and wjc [William Jefferson Clinton] doesn’t as he is far more conflicted every single day in what he does? Why not apply the structure you set up for him to this situation?” Band wrote a few days earlier in a message to Cooper and longtime Clinton lawyer Cheryl Mills, also published by WikiLeaks.

“I signed a conflict of interest policy as a board member of cgi [the Clinton Global Initiative],” Band wrote in an email to Podesta, who had urged Band to tone down aspects of the larger memo. Band said he reported that “Teneo represents 4 cgi sponsors, 3 of which teneo brought to cgi. Oddly, wjc does not have to sign such a document even though he is personally paid by 3 cgi sponsors, gets many expensive gifts from them, some that are at home.

A spokesman for the Clinton Foundation declined to comment on the memo or confirm the authenticity of the document, which was apparently stolen in a massive hack of Podesta’s Gmail account. Hillary Clinton’s campaign has taken a similar tack, declining to comment on the emails, while pointing to evidence that their release is part of a Russian government effort aimed at interfering in the presidential election.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Oct 2016 17:21

I can understand hating Trump for his boorishness and pathetic attitude.

What is this love for Hillary? Love so strong that makes me wonder where is it coming from and why.

Not sure what make you think Trump has not made his money the same way. Or that the Clintons are not "boorish". IF there is an equal, these two *families* are it. Kids too - be very aware of them, they are next in line to reboot, especially the son-in-laws.

This is a major, huge failure on the part of the American people, that the best they could do is produce two such people to vote for.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Oct 2016 17:34

I just do not think this race is a done deal. Even if Hillary winds - indicators say so - she is badly wounded. She has to deliver on her platform + that of Bernie and even some of Trump (who has actually started a 3rd/4th party). There is a LOT of work to be done to right this ship.

#WaveTheW

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 27 Oct 2016 17:44

Why take the example of Morocco and Qatar when we have our very own Amar Singh showing his generosity to the Clinton foundation.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 27 Oct 2016 18:03

Mort Walker wrote:^^^What I am afraid of is the smart ejicated folks like AmberG-ji, using political registration information to look up party affiliation and then use bogus law suits against people who were openly for DT after 08 November. It's coming.
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Good thought, Mort ji.

I was wondering why such highly cerebral people would be stooping to enter our simple-minded echo chamber (even if "very rarely" as claimed), unless it is to keep track of the political views expressed by individuals... for future reference and targeted retribution. After all, what else could they possibly be learning from a place like this... so inimical to their Maino/Clintonista Pak-pasand worldview?

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 27 Oct 2016 18:20

Twice the no of posts than Rudradev but I only appear rarely. The math doesn't add up boss.But what do we deplorables know?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 27 Oct 2016 18:21

Rudradev wrote:I was wondering why such highly cerebral people would be stooping to enter our simple-minded echo chamber (even if "very rarely" as claimed), unless it is to keep track of the political views expressed by individuals... for future reference and targeted retribution.

That sounds ominously Orwelian RudradevJi...

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Oct 2016 18:42

MurthyB wrote:In any case, why is there so much emotionalism amongst HiC supporters. On this phorum at least, regardless of HiC or DoT support, I thought we were all dal-sabzi eating soch-samaj thande khoon ke peepuls onlee.

Exactly what keeps me going.

These guys (and some gals) are just waaaay too much excited. Until I read Scott Adams (Dilbert's dad) yesterdin I didn't realize that this is a national phenomenon. May go out and buy a DT sign to stick in my yard just to irritate them. Nah! no point. In my Ulan Bator nbd, the worst that might happen is that one of the few DonkeyParty pets might do a Gracy Gold Maneuver on it. 5 miles from local KKK HQ. NOOO HiC signs 2 b seen, donkeys don't even contest many of the posts on the ballot. Very few DT/Pence signs to be seen in yards either, come 2 think of it, but certainly not out of fear of donkeys.

BTW, the big news is Gingrich's take-down of Megyn Kelly's barking. Reminds me of when Bush 1 took down Dan Rather except Gingrich is much more articulate. As much as the guy is a jerk in his personal life, and I hated his rabid attacks on Slick Willie for a few cigar/lolliop peck-a-dill-os, Gingrich has matured since he got out of COTUS. Remember - he was the FIRST American politician to stand up and support India after the 1998 nuclear tests, delivering a stinging rebuke to COTUS/GOTUS/WHOTUS that was the start of the Slick Willie Enlightenment.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Oct 2016 19:44

NRao wrote:
I can understand hating Trump for his boorishness and pathetic attitude.

What is this love for Hillary? Love so strong that makes me wonder where is it coming from and why.
Not sure what make you think Trump has not made his money the same way. Or that the Clintons are not "boorish". IF there is an equal, these two *families* are it. Kids too - be very aware of them, they are next in line to reboot, especially the son-in-laws.

This is a major, huge failure on the part of the American people, that the best they could do is produce two such people to vote for.

He did not make use of his ex-Gov position to make money.

But based on his history, I am sure he will do that.

Clintons already used their position to create a mafia empire which collects money from all shady sources, bribes democrats thru positions in foundation, grab the power back.

This is why term limits for President exist. They are using Laloo and Sonia method to overcome the constitution

I agree with the failure part. THis is a colossal failure

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 27 Oct 2016 19:48

Freedom Of Speech

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Oct 2016 19:54

vijayk wrote:
NRao wrote:
Not sure what make you think Trump has not made his money the same way. Or that the Clintons are not "boorish". IF there is an equal, these two *families* are it. Kids too - be very aware of them, they are next in line to reboot, especially the son-in-laws.

This is a major, huge failure on the part of the American people, that the best they could do is produce two such people to vote for.
He did not make use of his ex-Gov position to make money.

But based on his history, I am sure he will do that.

Clintons already used their position to create a mafia empire which collects money from all shady sources, bribes democrats thru positions in foundation, grab the power back.

This is why term limits for President exist. They are using Laloo and Sonia method to overcome the constitution

I agree with the failure part. THis is a colossal failure

Thus the options are limited. Hillary because she is badly wounded. Will need to incorporate a good deal of Bernie and perhaps even Trump.

I think the US has 4 political parties right now. Two among the two. The split just needs formalization on the republican side and a wider crack on the democratic.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 27 Oct 2016 19:56

The most important quality of a man is what kind of children did he bring up. By all accounts and u can see yourself he has brought up a nice bunch of children that alone should get people to vote for this man as compared to the dysfunctional clinton clan.

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 27 Oct 2016 20:19

I will voting HRC this election. There is just NO effeking way I will ever ever ever ever vote for The Drumpf. I believe I am in 93% of Indian origin voters who will be voting HRC. Is the HRC the best politician out there - no way. But is she better than The drumpf. Hell Yeah....

The main reason why there are no Trump posters is most civilized people are disgusted by him. Many lifelong republicans I know are in a bad place. They believe in republican ideas but not this turd. They are furious about their party going to dogs because of angry base . People voting for Drumph because they vote republican every election or white blue collar workers whose lives have been upended by globalization and free trade and looking to USG for help.
The other group is angry white people - the uneducated racist homophobic christian evangelical crowd. These people hate 7% Indian origin Drumph voters for their color, their ability to prosper. their religion and their wealth. Google what happened to a member of this 7% group at North Carolina rally. Simple voting Drumph because of his anti-muslim stance is beyond stupidity.

I have lived here in US for so long but never heard the acronyms C/G/WH-OTUS used .

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Oct 2016 21:13

For me, we have no dog in the fight.

Hillary -> Huma -> Preeta Bansal -> USICRF -> Pakis/ISI/China -> Destabilization of NDA via NGO/PRESSTITUTES/ISI

Trump -> No Focus -> No clue -> SD will run riot

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Oct 2016 21:15

snahata wrote:The most important quality of a man is what kind of children did he bring up. By all accounts and u can see yourself he has brought up a nice bunch of children that alone should get people to vote for this man as compared to the dysfunctional clinton clan.

Being the internet I am unable to hide some things like I would like to. Nothing personal.

The kids are worse than him. Like I posted earlier, be very, very careful of his son-in-law.

One of the Trump boys was in Mumbai to sway the Maha CM to work magic for Trump properties in Pune.

BTW, the game plan was/is to make Donald Jr the mayor of NYC. Imagine what would happen to "Trump" properties - ring a bell, Clinton Foundation?

In Chicago the ball is already rolling to white wash the Trump name from everything. Granted Chicago is too pro democratic, yet Trump was one person who was always very welcome and had a street named after him!!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Oct 2016 21:18

vijayk wrote:For me, we have no dog in the fight.

Hillary -> Huma -> Preeta Bansal -> USICRF -> Pakis/ISI/China -> Destabilization of NDA via NGO/PRESSTITUTES/ISI

Trump -> No Focus -> No clue -> SD will run riot

VK,

ALL THAT is very good news.

Check out wikileaks.

Huma, Podesta, Cherl(sp?), Neera Tandon and the list goes on and on. ALL are exposed. THAT is what you want. I do not know about you. I would love to deal with people who are exposed.

I have said this a month or two ago: No family in the White House and close the Foundations (never mind that the Trump Foundation was operating without a permit in NY)(par for the course) - applies to both candidates.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 27 Oct 2016 21:35

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/michael-bloomberg-pinpoints-the-greatest-conundrum-america-faces-today-222027965.html

Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg attempted to explain the sentiment of Donald Trump’s supporters, noting that many would be “flipping hamburgers” after they lose their jobs to technology.

“One thing that has to be said here is Donald Trump really does represent 40% to 45% of this country. They are petrified of their future. Their next job once they get laid off is going to be flipping hamburgers. They’re going to live until 85 and their Social Security is not enough to live on and they’re being forced out of their jobs in their fifties or whatever,” the multi-billionaire media and technology magnate said at Bloomberg’s “The Year Ahead” conference in New York on Tuesday.

He acknowledged that technology, not global trade, is destroying an enormous number of jobs. Indeed, this explains why manufacturing activity is up even as manufacturing jobs falter. This is a problem that affects the constituents of both political parties.

Bloomberg later added that the “greatest conundrum” the next administration and the country faces will be how to create jobs as technology forces more people out of work. He noted some estimates suggest that up to 40% of jobs could be automated.

There was a time when people called on Bloomberg to run for president. Bloomberg considered a presidential run as a third-party candidate, but he believes he would have garnered one-third of the vote and no one would have a majority. The decision would have gone to the House of Representatives and they would have picked Trump.

“You just can’t do that to this country,” Bloomberg, who has now publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton, said.

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 27 Oct 2016 21:45

Amber G. wrote:Just for perspective, the neighborhood I am living for last 32 years consists of about 80% registered Republicans. (The election record is public so I (or anyone else) can see the voting list (along with info such as their voting history - party affiliation etc). In all years (except 2008) virtually all the yard signs were Republicans. Yet, this year there is NO sigh for Trump - *all* local republicans who are running keeping their distance from Trump - Our Senator running for re-election has not endorsed Trump even though they are getting VERY rough time, (harassment) from Trump's supporters --- I have NOT seen a SINGLE person who I think is decent supporting Trump -- This includes not only local leaders but all ex-POTUS's, SOS's etc.. etc..

- Of course we all know the race is quite close so there are *many* Trump supporters, it is just that I don't know any (with even a slight respect for the person) in real life who will admit it.

Interesting observation. I live in a diametrically opposite neighborhood, and not seeing any HRC signs either. In fact, I see a comparable number of Obama-Biden signs from 2012 or even 2008 to Clinton signs. This cycle, the rhetoric has been so inflammatory and so effective that people are willing to attack their long time friends because they feel the rhetoric of one candidate more than the other. At one level, its amazing how effective communicators these people are and how amazing their PR machine is.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 27 Oct 2016 22:00

Mort Walker wrote:^^^What I am afraid of is the smart ejicated folks like AmberG-ji, using political registration information to look up party affiliation and then use bogus law suits against people who were openly for DT after 08 November. It's coming.
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Mortji, you don't need "smart ejicatrd" people to read, the list is out, fairly easy to use, and has been has been there since as far back as I can remember...

The only difference with last 12-20 years or so is that it is electronically available/transmittable and ROUTINELY used for polling data-gathering etc, if anything this protects people and fraud. (Eg one can easily check if there is a fraud, if for example if you have marked "voted" in person at precinct x while you did not).

This is beyond ridiculous to spin it as some sort of conspiracy. (never expected from you). The voter lists, party affiliations, voting record (when and where the vote was taken) has been available all the time. The information is not private and everyone ought to know that. This is how *all* parties do their phone-calling / knocking on doors/ etc .. and they have been doing if for decades.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Oct 2016 22:06

NRao wrote:
vijayk wrote:For me, we have no dog in the fight.

Hillary -> Huma -> Preeta Bansal -> USICRF -> Pakis/ISI/China -> Destabilization of NDA via NGO/PRESSTITUTES/ISI

Trump -> No Focus -> No clue -> SD will run riot
VK,

ALL THAT is very good news.

Check out wikileaks.

Huma, Podesta, Cherl(sp?), Neera Tandon and the list goes on and on. ALL are exposed. THAT is what you want. I do not know about you. I would love to deal with people who are exposed.

I have said this a month or two ago: No family in the White House and close the Foundations (never mind that the Trump Foundation was operating without a permit in NY)(par for the course) - applies to both candidates.

Whatever. We will get whoever. No need to sweat it out. We are so minuscule and fighting over these 2 only damages your brain.

I rooted so much for Obama first time; campaigned; funded... Not so much second time.

He did act very aggressively and anti Indian to slight Modi just based on egging of NYT/WaPo/BBC kind of liberal filth who have aggressively aligned with India's HUMAN(ity) GARBAGE or Social Sicences TRASH in US/PRESSTITUTE+Paki filth in Delhi.

He made several moves to advance Xian persecution story to actively interfere in Delhi elections. I think in the end he realized and kind of moderated his stand. Even till the end, he was trying to push F16 to Pakis. May be just commercial reasons.

Contrast this with total silence from India in US election compared to idiots in Canada, UK or other European nations.

Hope same thing happens with Hillary (or Trump) whoever comes but I have a strong feeling that Hillary has so many links anti-Indian/anti-national forces in Delhi. They are so plugged into Democratic establishment who were not all placated by Obama but will be placated by Hillary.

Imagine Senate falls into Democratic hands too.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 27 Oct 2016 22:21

Hillary will be kept in reign by the deep state should she get too exuberant in her anti Indian policies. In this our allies will be LM,Boeing, General Atomics, and Raytheon. Their reach is far deeper than any Richard Holbrooke ior Huma.

We will have to throw a few billion in scraps to them to keep HRC off our back.