Terroristan - May 1, 2019

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partha wrote:If this is true, we can expect increase in cross border terror attacks. Modi Govt should start preparing plans on how to respond. Something bigger than Balakot will be needed. Also, surprised at the de-escalation post Balakot. When Pakistan was at its weakest we let them off. Now US is again courting Pakistan. In 2008, US put pressure on India to not respond militarily to 26/11 because it would affect their so called war on terror in Afghanistan. Now, with US courting Pakistan again for help with pull out from Afghanistan, Pakistan may calculate that it will get away with a large terror attack on India just like in 2008.
On the highlighted part, Modi is very clear in that he does not want a war BUT he is prepared to give back as good as India gets. Not a surprise considering Modi's goals for India and how HE thinks India can achieve it.

So there was a series of small attacks followed by one "straw that broke the camel's back". That invited a response and then it was done and it was over. Even baki's followup intrusion into the Indian airspace followed by "failed" launches at Indian military establishment did not invite a response. After a few weeks of waiting, it was clear to anyone paying attention that the previous chapter had been closed. The time after that IAF was just on alert to prevent further mischief.

We can only speculate what would have happened if the baki bombs had landed. Likely we would have responded and considered that chapter closed too pending another baki response. Modi's playbook has to be considered/read chapter by chapter.

The bakis will take chances especially when they think they have all the cards. However, Modi has already created a new benchmark for a response and will have to live up to it. There is simply no other way for him.
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CRamS wrote:Anujan, I agree no need to lose sleep. But what Trump has done is to bring re-hyphenation of India and TSP back to center stage. Apart from Kashmir, Taliban Khan was also asked if TSP would give up nukes if India did. So once again India TSP, India TSP. Back to square one however slowly we were trying to drift away from the hyphenation.
In you mind perhaps. BTW, it is the Indian who are sustaining this so called "re-hyphenation" by giving it mind space & hawa instead of laughing it off.
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Not sure about Trump, but CRamS is determined to find hyphenation when there is none.

If at all the perceived hyphenation is "back", perhaps it never really "went away".
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partha wrote: If this is true, we can expect increase in cross border terror attacks. Modi Govt should start preparing plans on how to respond. Something bigger than Balakot will be needed. Also, surprised at the de-escalation post Balakot. When Pakistan was at its weakest we let them off. Now US is again courting Pakistan. In 2008, US put pressure on India to not respond militarily to 26/11 because it would affect their so called war on terror in Afghanistan. Now, with US courting Pakistan again for help with pull out from Afghanistan, Pakistan may calculate that it will get away with a large terror attack on India just like in 2008.
+1

The mere fact that they now have the ear of Trump would embolden them.
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^^I suspect the real estate broker trump knows that well..and he's playing that along. The only difference is US expecting to sell few $Bn wares in the catfight...IAF and IA will happily oblige by highlighting the needs for emergency purchase of few predators/reapers, apaches, PGMs, or even F16s, F18s..and US would be happy to sell vipers and 1000 hell fires to Pakis from CSF (or may be block them for a bigger Indian order). It's sheer money mindedness from trump. All this for one metric he cares most..trade deficit...
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Guys, just have a chill beer and popcorn ... let Im the dim go back to NaPak place then this media hype will die down. Plus he is creating more trouble for him in NaPak then in India.

DT has really annoyed India and it has given us another reason not to trust USA.
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ArjunPandit wrote:^^I suspect the real estate broker trump knows that well..and he's playing that along. The only difference is US expecting to sell few $Bn wares in the catfight...IAF and IA will happily oblige by highlighting the needs for emergency purchase of few predators/reapers, apaches, PGMs, or even F16s, F18s..and US would be happy to sell vipers and 1000 hell fires to Pakis from CSF (or may be block them for a bigger Indian order). It's sheer money mindedness from trump. All this for one metric he cares most..trade deficit...
Sir, India has stopped paying protection money to the external powers. We will buy top-notch equipment from whoever is the producer and whatever are required by our services.
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RKumar wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:^^I suspect the real estate broker trump knows that well..and he's playing that along. The only difference is US expecting to sell few $Bn wares in the catfight...IAF and IA will happily oblige by highlighting the needs for emergency purchase of few predators/reapers, apaches, PGMs, or even F16s, F18s..and US would be happy to sell vipers and 1000 hell fires to Pakis from CSF (or may be block them for a bigger Indian order). It's sheer money mindedness from trump. All this for one metric he cares most..trade deficit...
Sir, India has stopped paying protection money to the external powers. We will buy top-notch equipment from whoever is the producer and whatever are required by our services.
ok lets call it strategic convergence or in pure american terms shared interests in promoting democracy and eliminating terrorists, wherever they are... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
and for that american wares are best..
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i know its idrw but it's like immy saying hamein bina baat ke pel diya..
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Came across this quote in a different context which is fitting for the current situation ...

The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. - William Arthur Ward
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ArjunPandit wrote:ok lets call it strategic convergence or in pure american terms shared interests in promoting democracy and eliminating terrorists, wherever they are... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
and for that american wares are best..
Sir, I am no linguistic expert but for me e.g. drones from USA, S-400 from Russia, Rafale from French, Artillery from South Korea And support ships from Turkey. It doesn't matter if personally I agree with it or not. These are a matter of facts.

We will not buy F-16/21 or any other manned fighter plane except F-35 from USA. And there is no offer on the table for it, yet. Regarding Russia, like IAF said let them mature their product before we put money on the table.
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RKji, not countering you..but C17, C130, Apache, predator, reaper are from modern khanate only
coming back to pakistan, which this thread is about.
Dimran has mentioned ¬40 k volunteer terrorists are present there. He obviously didnt talk about the uniformed terrorists.
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SSridhar wrote:
partha wrote: If this is true, we can expect increase in cross border terror attacks. Modi Govt should start preparing plans on how to respond. Something bigger than Balakot will be needed. Also, surprised at the de-escalation post Balakot. When Pakistan was at its weakest we let them off. Now US is again courting Pakistan. In 2008, US put pressure on India to not respond militarily to 26/11 because it would affect their so called war on terror in Afghanistan. Now, with US courting Pakistan again for help with pull out from Afghanistan, Pakistan may calculate that it will get away with a large terror attack on India just like in 2008.
+1

The mere fact that they now have the ear of Trump would embolden them.
No worries there.

trump has the attention span of a retarded cockroach.

he has already moved on.
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Whether we like it or not the trump lovefest for Porkistan will continue till late next year. Put possible Iran tensions or even war in the mix and porkistan's utility to Uncle Sam will increase manifold. The pakis are already over confident of their perceived importance o the US. Check the talk shows in pakistan and there are talk show host who are now talking of not only getting the coalition support and military aid restored but also substantial and unhindered economic aid/full and preferential access to US Market and subsidies. So one thing you can count on is another tactical brilliance and strategic disaster from Pakistan. Pakis will will doubtless create tension on the border or even do a Uri or Pulwama. We should be prepared and grab that opportunity to inflict substantial and permanent damages on the Pakis. They are not in a position to fight even a short term war. Mouthing platitudes is one thing but Uncle Sam is not going to fight porkistan's war.
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If anyone had any doubts as to who rules Terroristan, read below to get a dose of reality.
Shabbar Zaidi briefs ISI on export-oriented sectors
The Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) has assured the top spy agency of the country that the rules for release of sales tax refunds would be issued on Wednesday (today) and there would be no liquidity crunch for export-oriented sectors during the current fiscal year.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/502725 ... ed-sectors
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Kashi wrote:Not sure about Trump, but CRamS is determined to find hyphenation when there is none.

If at all the perceived hyphenation is "back", perhaps it never really "went away".
Come on, don't be dismissive. That profuse love fest betwen Taliban Khan and Groper Trump did not exhude equal equal with India? Kashmir mediation, asking TSP if it will give up nukes if India does is not equal equal?

Do we need to lose any sleep? No, because as you said, equal equal really never went away. Under other US presidents, there was some window dressing, but Trump is pretty blunt.

In substantive terms, I see that after Trump's Kashmir bombshell, we can expect to see more TSP adventurism in Kashmir valley and LoC and reminding Trump of his mediation offer.

On terror itself, I saw that Taliban Khan had several other engagements during his DC sojourn. And correct me if I am wrong, but from the reports I read, in none of the engagements, Taliban Khan's US hosts asked him any questions on his pigLeTs against India. So as others have said, no need to blame Trump alone, going soft on TSP pigLeT terror against India and even rewarding TSP is a broad US policy blue print. Not just Trump's alone.
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CRamS wrote:
Kashi wrote:Not sure about Trump, but CRamS is determined to find hyphenation when there is none.

On terror itself, I saw that Taliban Khan had several other engagements during his DC sojourn. And correct me if I am wrong, but from the reports I read, in none of the engagements, Taliban Khan's US hosts asked him any questions on his pigLeTs against India. So as others have said, no need to blame Trump alone, going soft on TSP pigLeT terror against India and even rewarding TSP is a broad US policy blue print. Not just Trump's alone.
All the engagement that Charsi has had in Washington have been planned well in advance by the pakistanis and their frontman in DC- Moeed Yusuf. All the attendees would have been vetted by them and anybody who would raise uncomfortable questions would naturally not have been allowed.
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CRamS wrote:Come on, don't be dismissive. That profuse love fest betwen Taliban Khan and Groper Trump did not exhude equal equal with India? Kashmir mediation, asking TSP if it will give up nukes if India does is not equal equal?

Do we need to lose any sleep? No, because as you said, equal equal really never went away. Under other US presidents, there was some window dressing, but Trump is pretty blunt.

In substantive terms, I see that after Trump's Kashmir bombshell, we can expect to see more TSP adventurism in Kashmir valley and LoC and reminding Trump of his mediation offer.

On terror itself, I saw that Taliban Khan had several other engagements during his DC sojourn. And correct me if I am wrong, but from the reports I read, in none of the engagements, Taliban Khan's US hosts asked him any questions on his pigLeTs against India. So as others have said, no need to blame Trump alone, going soft on TSP pigLeT terror against India and even rewarding TSP is a broad US policy blue print. Not just Trump's alone.
So tell me what's new, how have things changed from the past? US regardless of the administration has mollycoddled Bakis and tacitly and not-so-tacitly encouraged them to go on a terror offensive against India.

How many times (on this forum and elsewhere) have we heard from the US-rakshaks that thinking has changed in Washington and how those who have witnessed Baki perfidy first-hand in Afghanistan and OBL take-out, will soon be replacing the cold-war era troglodytes. Those who advised caution were called narrow-minded and backward-thinking. Yet, the prophecised change does not seem to be arriving any time soon.

If all it takes is one dimwit meeting with another dimwit for the mighty US to publicly announce shifts in their "policies", then why the heck are we spending our diplomatic and actual capital in engaging the US?
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Pakistan to launch its first astronaut in 2022 - PTI
Pakistan on July 25 announced that it will send its first astronaut to space in 2022 using close ally China’s satellite launch facilities.

Pakistan’s decision came as India on July 22 successfully launched its second lunar mission Chandrayaan 2.

Fawad Chaudhry, Pakistan’s Minister for Science and Technology, said the selection process of the astronaut for the space mission would start from February 2020.

“Proud to announce that selection process for the first Pakistani to be sent to Space shall begin from February 2020. Fifty people will be short-listed. The list will then come down to 25 and in 2022 we will send our first person to space. This will be the biggest space event of our country,” Mr. Chaudhry said in a tweet.

He said the Pakistani Air Force will play a lead role in the selection process of the astronaut for the space mission. “The Air force will be the custodian of the selection process. Globally pilots are selected for space missions,” he was quoted as saying by the Dawn News website. He said that initially 50 pilots will be selected, from which the list will be brought down to 25 and then 10. “Ten pilots will be trained and eventually one pilot will be sent to space,” he said.

In 2018, Pakistan launched two indigenously-built satellites, onboard the Chinese Long March (LM-2C) rocket from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre located at the Gobi desert, The Express Tribune reported.

One of them was a remote sensing satellite (PRSS1) — a dual-purpose Earth observational and optical satellite. The second test satellite launched was a PAK-TES-1A to enhance satellite manufacture capabilities in the country.
Musharraf had said a long time back that SUPARCO engineers were far better than ISRO engineers. It would therefore be only in the fitness of things that Paksitan sends its astonaut atop its own launch vehicle rather than depending upon China. I am also terribly disappointed that Pakistan is not planning to send its man into space before December 2021.
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Ss sir, they just Are about to receive funding for this from massa cannot be seen on spending spree. Not good for begging buijness
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just wondering ..currently USA needs pakis to get out of Af gracefully ... once that happens of what use are Pakis to the Americans?? isnt it in paki interest to keep USA permanently occupied in Af ?
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I suspect pakis are being used as "gini" pigs for testing some new chinese raackit..or some technologies..few questions
1. what will be the name of paknaut?
2. are they being told about getting 72s while alive?
3. Mission control would be scary of syaing blast off
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SSridhar wrote:Pakistan to launch its first astronaut in 2022 - PTI

In 2018, Pakistan launched two indigenously-built satellites, onboard the Chinese Long March (LM-2C) rocket from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre located at the Gobi desert, The Express Tribune reported.
We all know that Pakis are shameless liars, but why is PTI spreading their lies? The satellite was designed and built by China.
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Bart S wrote:
We all know that Pakis are shameless liars, but why is PTI spreading their lies? The satellite was designed and built by China.
Because there are shameless elites in India and dare I say millions of eunuchs who follow them, for whom this is cause to celebrate and do equal equal. Just glance, and one doesn't need to go beyond headlines on rags like ToiLeT, UnDy etc, and you will see enough news about Paki RAPE, what they say about India, "Akram praises so and so", their love life, solidarity with Paki "metoo", you name it. Its surreal, here is an enemy country whose neurotic obsession is to undo India, but our elites find common cause with their elites and find BJP/RSS as "evil", not Paki army/ISI/pigLeTs.

If you read Indian rags and the opinions of Khan market westernized low-IQ dim-wits whose writing dominates these rags, one can easily sympathize with the likes of Trump and foreigners when they do equal equal. Day is not far off when Taliban Khan meets Trump and he (Trump) declares, "India & Paaakistaaan, two great countries and emerging space powers and partners of NASA ...".
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The Federal Board of Revenue Chairman (the tax man) goes to ISI offices and briefs and assures the ISI on export sectors. Has the last mask of democracy dropped?

Shabbar Zaidi briefs ISI on export-oriented sectors
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manjgu wrote:just wondering ..currently USA needs pakis to get out of Af gracefully ... once that happens of what use are Pakis to the Americans?? isnt it in paki interest to keep USA permanently occupied in Af ?
If that was the reason US is supporting Pakistan then Baluchistan would be a free country by now. The real value of of Pakistan is it is a conduit for anti India forces and helps India from access to Central Asia and Beyond.
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CRamS wrote:
Bart S wrote:
We all know that Pakis are shameless liars, but why is PTI spreading their lies? The satellite was designed and built by China.
Because there are shameless elites in India and dare I say millions of eunuchs who follow them, for whom this is cause to celebrate and do equal equal. Just glance, and one doesn't need to go beyond headlines on rags like ToiLeT, UnDy etc, and you will see enough news about Paki RAPE, what they say about India, "Akram praises so and so", their love life, solidarity with Paki "metoo", you name it. Its surreal, here is an enemy country whose neurotic obsession is to undo India, but our elites find common cause with their elites and find BJP/RSS as "evil", not Paki army/ISI/pigLeTs.

If you read Indian rags and the opinions of Khan market westernized low-IQ dim-wits whose writing dominates these rags, one can easily sympathize with the likes of Trump and foreigners when they do equal equal. Day is not far off when Taliban Khan meets Trump and he (Trump) declares, "India & Paaakistaaan, two great countries and emerging space powers and partners of NASA ...".
Thankfully that is < 1% of the population (albeit a quite influential group). The average person on the street (and Modi knows this, unlike the Lutyens elites who are smugly ensconced in their echo chamber) reflexively does an ack thoo every time they hear the name 'Pakistan'.
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manjgu wrote:just wondering ..currently USA needs pakis to get out of Af gracefully ... once that happens of what use are Pakis to the Americans?? isnt it in paki interest to keep USA permanently occupied in Af ?
This is another piece of US propaganda that is never questioned. Going by Trump's own claim that he clean up Afghanistan by obliterating it in 10 days, wouldn't a common sense conclusion be that a tiny fraction of that military power against TSP will do the trick? Look at how TSP is GUBOIng at the mere threat of FATF and holding back other goodies that US has the keys for.

So, no, TSP is not required for USA to get out of Afghanistan. Its a bold-faced propaganda lie. TSP is needed to keep the smart, smelly, darkie rice eating "Hindooos" in check.
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@CRamS, why does one believe that unkle really really wants to get out of afg? And, if not then the whole argument of needing Baki services falls apart. 18 years and counting.
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Bahadur will never leave AF. That's given. We will be talking about bahadur about to leave AF in 2050.
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manjgu wrote:just wondering ..currently USA needs pakis to get out of Af gracefully ... once that happens of what use are Pakis to the Americans??
But, something else will surely happen and the importance of the Pakis will re-emerge. The entire history of US-Pak lovefest has been like that.
isnt it in paki interest to keep USA permanently occupied in Af ?
The current masters of the Pakis, the Chinese, wouldn't like that.
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SSridhar wrote:
isnt it in paki interest to keep USA permanently occupied in Af ?
The current masters of the Pakis, the Chinese, wouldn't like that.
But isn't the present situation in Afghanistan quite suitable to Cheeni interests? US stays occupied in Afghanistan, given the state of relations with Iran and Russia, they remain dependent on Pakistan for their deployment, which means they cannot surge or de-escalate at will. China on the other hand has direct links with Central Asia and Russia, so not dependent on Afghanistan. They are happily ensconced in Gwadar, and Iran will sooner or later let them be in Chabahar as well.

They have also managed to bag mining contracts in Afg, while the heavy lifting of fighting the terrorists is left to others. The presence of US/NATO in Afg also limits the space for ETIM to operate in those parts- they would have a field day under Bakis and Talibunnies.

I am hard-pressed to see why Cheenis would like to see the back of US/NATO in Afghanistan.
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No big country likes to see the presence of another one nearby. We have constantly objected to Diego Garcia; object to Gwadar, Kyauk Pyu; do not benignly look upon Djibouti, Hambanatota etc. The Challenger to the No. 1 position wouldn't like a permanent stay of the forces of the Challenged nearby. Russia wouldn't too either. Of course, for the time being until a farcical resolution, the US may be tolerated, but not much beyond that. China wants the US footprint to shrink everywhere anyway. The Taliban have consistently demanded the withdrawal of the 'occupational forces' as a pre-condiion and the Chinese have implicitly sided with that position. In c. 1989, Pakistan also wanted the Americans to leave so that their sinister designs can be thrust on us without any hindrance (not that the US were much of a hindrance anyway).
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But for Chinese, a reduced US presence means that they will be even more equipped and capable on focussing on the real bread and butter as far as China is concerned- Asia-Pacific. US bases in SoKo, Okinawa and Misawa, in Guam and other places will see a renewed focus, because US will be free to redeploy the resources freed up from Afghanistan, in these places. And these bases are much closer to the Chinese heartland and much better equipped than NATO presence in Afghanistan, which any way is logistically hamstrung and cannot really sustain large ops.

The biggest beneficiaries of US withdrawal from Afghanistan would be Americans themselves, the rest will soon find a whole gamut of problems at their door step. Russians because a buoyed up Taliban will turn their focus towards Central Asia and Afghan war will come much closer to home in the Central Asian republics. Iran for the same reason, as Saudi-funded Taliban along with Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jundullah will try and stir up trouble in Sistan-Baluchistan region. The Afghan Northern alliance will oppose Taliban and we'll see the country split down the middle into Pashtun and non-Pashtun regions and we cannot rule out Russia and/or Iran intervening on the behalf of Northern Alliance along the lines of Syria. China will also face a renewed threat from Uyghur separatists finding safe sanctuaries in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.

A pakhtoon-heavy Taliban facing reverses and heavy opposition to the north will turn South and will also energise TTP and PTM movements within Bakistan, after all they will all want a greater Pakhtunkhwa, free from the yoke of the daal-khor. Of course Bakis being Bakis will try and drag in India somehow into this muddle and beg for aid around the world.
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Well said Kashi Sir. How Pakis will drag India into this muddle, is something where i think i dont agree with you.
Balochistan and KP should really be part of Afghanistan.
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Pakistan’s budget has lost credibility: World Bank - Shahbaz Rana

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s budget has further lost its credibility and the public finance management system has also deteriorated, according to a draft report of the World Bank that has downgraded the country’s ranking on almost all 31 fiscal management-related indicators.

The Washington-based lender shared the final draft of the Public Expenditure and Financial Accountability (PEFA) report with the Ministry of Finance in June. The report carries an objective assessment of Pakistan’s public finance management system and its budgets from fiscal year 2015-16 to 2017-18.

But the findings reflect extremely poor performance of the Ministry of Finance that failed to carry out its responsibility and let the fiscal rules violated.

World Bank approves $722 million loan for Pakistan

The World Bank was facing pressure from the Ministry of Finance to soften its report but a senior official of the World Bank told The Express Tribune that on the lender’s part the report was final.

Sources said various wings of the Ministry of Finance were putting responsibility on each other but so far no action had been taken in that regard.

When compared with a similar assessment that the World Bank carried out in 2012, the country fared poorer on almost all indicators and seven key pillars. There were hardly two indicators where the score improved while on the other two the score remained unchanged.

In 2012, the country had secured five A grades – the highest score – but in the 2019 assessment there was not even a single indicator where it got A. Pakistan lost the highest score on critical indicators like classification of budget, comprehensiveness of budget information, transparency in inter-governmental fiscal operations, participation in budget process and predictability of direct budget support.

The lowest score is D plus and D. In 2012, the country got only six Ds and D plus but the lowest score reached a staggering 13 in 2019, reflecting extremely poor performance of the finance ministry. In 2012, there were 10 Cs, average score – a figure that stood at eight in 2019.

The final draft of the report showed that Pakistan was assigned the lowest score ‘D’ on the indicators of reliability of budget due to higher-than-budgeted expenditures and low revenue collection, extent of unreported government operations, public access to key fiscal operations, effectiveness of internal audit, lack of information about service delivery, poor quality and timeliness of annual financial statements, public assets and investment management, and revenue administration.

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In 2012, the country fared well on eight indicators and secured B and B plus and in 2019 it got 10 Bs and B plus. These included budget classification, transfer of resources to provinces, fiscal risk reporting, debt management, macroeconomic and fiscal forecasting, fiscal strategy, budget preparations, procurement management and financial data integrity.

“Despite the progress achieved in different areas, there are still challenges in making the public finance management framework at the federal level a fully effective and efficient component of Pakistan’s system of governance,” said the report.

The report acknowledged the importance of the 18th Constitutional Amendment that “re-asserted the federalist character of the Pakistani state”, which set the stage for provincial governments to improve local-level participation.

The Ministry of Finance declined to comment on the report’s findings, saying, “The PEFA report has not been finalised yet, therefore, the ministry cannot comment on it at the moment.”

The public finance management performance has been gauged on the basis of seven pillars of budget reliability, transparency of public finances, management of assets and liabilities, policy-based fiscal strategy and budgeting, predictability and control in budget execution, accounting and report and external scrutiny and audit.

The World Bank has completed the assessment in collaboration with the federal government and the European Union. The assessment started in December 2018 and it covered three financial years 2015-16, 2016-17 and 2017-18 when the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) was in power.

The issues identified in the report remained unaddressed even in the last fiscal year 2018-19, which was the first year of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government.

There are “inadequacies in fiscal discipline evidenced in expenditure and revenue overturns”, said the final draft report. The report found that internal audit control functions were very weak, there was poor revenue estimation and expenditure estimates were based on “inflated revenue targets”.

The Public Accounts Committee has repeatedly observed lack of interest of the executive to comply with its directions, underlined the report. The report recommended making the office of the Auditor General of Pakistan “independent” from the executive for an effective oversight of expenditures.

Pakistan had not developed an effective cash management system, which allowed government entities to keep public money in private commercial bank accounts, said the report.

As of the end of 2017, Rs2.3 trillion had been parked in 450,000 accounts, maintained in private commercial banks. This money could not be audited, according to the draft report.

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Aditya_V wrote:
manjgu wrote:just wondering ..currently USA needs pakis to get out of Af gracefully ... once that happens of what use are Pakis to the Americans?? isnt it in paki interest to keep USA permanently occupied in Af ?
If that was the reason US is supporting Pakistan then Baluchistan would be a free country by now. The real value of of Pakistan is it is a conduit for anti India forces and helps India from access to Central Asia and Beyond.
+1 . The US does not want a peer competitor from merging just like China for that is exactly where India is headed
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Kashi wrote:But for Chinese, a reduced US presence means that they will be even more equipped and capable on focussing on the real bread and butter as far as China is concerned- Asia-Pacific. US bases in SoKo, Okinawa and Misawa, in Guam and other places will see a renewed focus, because US will be free to redeploy the resources freed up from Afghanistan, in these places. And these bases are much closer to the Chinese heartland and much better equipped than NATO presence in Afghanistan, which any way is logistically hamstrung and cannot really sustain large ops.

The biggest beneficiaries of US withdrawal from Afghanistan would be Americans themselves, the rest will soon find a whole gamut of problems at their door step. Russians because a buoyed up Taliban will turn their focus towards Central Asia and Afghan war will come much closer to home in the Central Asian republics. Iran for the same reason, as Saudi-funded Taliban along with Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Jundullah will try and stir up trouble in Sistan-Baluchistan region. The Afghan Northern alliance will oppose Taliban and we'll see the country split down the middle into Pashtun and non-Pashtun regions and we cannot rule out Russia and/or Iran intervening on the behalf of Northern Alliance along the lines of Syria. China will also face a renewed threat from Uyghur separatists finding safe sanctuaries in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan.

A pakhtoon-heavy Taliban facing reverses and heavy opposition to the north will turn South and will also energise TTP and PTM movements within Bakistan, after all they will all want a greater Pakhtunkhwa, free from the yoke of the daal-khor. Of course Bakis being Bakis will try and drag in India somehow into this muddle and beg for aid around the world.
Russia will try to get some leverage in pakistan by trying to sell some weapons etc , this is bound to fail anyways
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menon s wrote:Well said Kashi Sir. How Pakis will drag India into this muddle, is something where i think i dont agree with you.
Balochistan and KP should really be part of Afghanistan.
Like they did last time, a battle-hardened, restless group of jihadi terrorists, who were itching to go after the withdrawal of Soviet Union and Najeebullah regime being forced into a retreat were cleverly funneled into J&K to shore-up the jihad there. No reason to believe that Bakis will not try their tactical brilliance again. Despite the anti-infiltration grid in place, terrorists do sneak in and Bakis will now be able to draw from a bigger "talent pool" so to speak.

Secondly, Bakis via their proxies will increase attacks on Indian interests in Afghanistan, on the Indian engineers and others working for the upliftment of the Afghans. We'll either have to withdraw our personnel from there or send in more troops to provide for their security.

Thirdly, Baki army drunk up with their "success" on reclaiming the strategic depth, will be emboldened to embark on further misadventures against India.
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