Internal Security Watch

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 30 Aug 2013 19:51

WRT the Bhatkal saga Some Headlines by MSM before they are Chapoed onlee.

During Trial
>Congress distances itself from Digvijay's "Bhatkal is innocent" remark
>Indian Mujahadeen:Presumed Guilty - Tehelka
>Dead Man Talking - It’s not just Yasin Bhatkal. Rana Ayyub accesses exclusive intelligence inputs and pieces together a damning trail...
>Exclusive: How Sriram Sene's targeting of Valentines day couples in his backyard compelled Yasin Bhatkal to compete in the radicalism stakes - Outlook

After Conviction
>Beyond Reasonable Doubt? The Conviction of Yasin Bhatkal - Undie TV - Panelists Javed Akthar , Mani Shankar Aiyer, Chandan Mitra(whimper) with Barkha dutt
>My son is Innocent and is victimized because he is a muslim: Bhatkal's Mother - Undie TV exclusive.

After Hanging
>Bhatkal, the home town of "alleged" Terrorist Yasin Bhatkal plunges into sadness after Hanging - The Hindu
>Offered in anger : Arundhathi Roy - Outlook
>A perfect day for democracy : Arundhathi Roy - Lead Opinion - The Hindu

Ohh BTW congrats to our Intelligence agencies who finally nailed this pig--- you guys bring results against tremendous odds.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 30 Aug 2013 20:03

Did ManMohan got angry yeterday and spoke for first time because of Bhatkal capture? I mean he lost his sleep when terrorists were caught in UK, maybe he found his voice after the great tragedy yesterday?
I have seen in movies, people gain or loose memory/voice when great tragedies present themselves. Also any news by Khurseed on how much Mata Sonia cried? Did she faint in Parliament because she was told beforehand about the arrest?
Many questions, so few answers!!

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 31 Aug 2013 11:07

Why did Bihar Police spurn Intelligence Bureau's offer to take Yasin Bhatkal on remand?

PATNA: The Bihar Police on Wednesday spurned the Intelligence Bureau's (IB) repeated suggestions to take Yasin Bhatkal on remand after one of India's "most wanted" terrorists had been apprehended in Nepal.

According to sources, IB had requested the Bihar Police to take Yasin on remand on Wednesday night. Senior officials of the IB involved in one of the most successful counter-terror operations emphasized Yasin's role in raising the 'Darbhanga module'- one of the several sleeper cells of Lashkar-e-Taiba's (LeT) Indian proxy Indian Mujahideen (IM) — whose members have been accused of being involved in terror strikes in different parts of the country, including Mumbai.

Sources in central agencies told TOI that IB officials pointed out that at least 15 members of IM had been arrested from the Darbhanga region and this gave Bihar enough basis for arresting Yasin under Unlawful Activities Prevention Act.

The pitch, however, failed to persuade the Bihar Police brass, leading IB director S A Ibrahim to personally reason with the Bihar Police authorities. This was also to no avail, with Bihar officials expressing their inability to explain their reluctance.

Finally, the IB decided to rope in the National Investigation Agency (NIA) which took Yasin on remand on Thursday.

The hesitance of Bihar Police contrasted starkly with the manner in which agreed to take the custody of the leader of CPI (Maoist), Jagdish Master, after he had been tracked down along with his three members of the central committee of the Maoist outfit by the IB.

"No police force would fight shy of joining such a spectacular success against terrorism," said a senior source in one of the central agencies as he expressed puzzlement over what might have led the Bihar Poice to behave in such a manner.

This is beyond my imagination. Something is really wrong with NiKu. Probably, this behavior started after his Pakistan visit, has he been honey-trapped or some sort of blackmailing?

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 31 Aug 2013 13:36

venug wrote:Shouldn't this guy's arrest be made a secret till they nab and disable most of the cells and terrorists? that too this guy is one of the king pins, won't the other friends of his hide? may be this news should have been suppressed till that time.

What made you think that is not the case. Eid ko paisa bheja uske baad kuch pata nahi tha YB ka. Means that he was a guest as the cobwebs in his home were being cleared. I am sure his detention was announced only after the cells had been cleaned up.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 31 Aug 2013 13:56

kmkraoind wrote:This is beyond my imagination. Something is really wrong with NiKu. Probably, this behavior started after his Pakistan visit, has he been honey-trapped or some sort of blackmailing?

I can't answer that one way or another. But, definitely, there is vote bank politics involved. Nitish Kumar is the new Khilafat leader. The release of this news item itself enhances his prestige among the momin. Just see how SP leader Kamal Farooqui has already described the arrest of Yasin Bhatkal.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 31 Aug 2013 15:29

Another of inocuous thing is Niku's advisor former diplomat Praveen Varma who gets good access to TOI's editorial to peddle dialogue with pak. today's TOI has an article from him and what caught my eye was use of the word 'chanakyan' in Pak context. Maybe got the word from some defence website.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 31 Aug 2013 17:13

kmkraoind wrote:
This is beyond my imagination. Something is really wrong with NiKu. Probably, this behavior started after his Pakistan visit, has he been honey-trapped or some sort of blackmailing?

This is the problem with over trusting a person. BhiKu is an idiot from the beginning. He is definitely better than Lallu, but he is Bhiku nevertheless.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 31 Aug 2013 23:18

After Mullah Mullayam's Kamaal farooqi sets the tone by alleging that Bhatkal is being targeted because he is a Muslim...
Undie Tv has on cue started the campaign of counter narrative

Phase 1: Harping on the "neglected" "human" side of Islamist terror...

In school, Yasin Bhatkal rooted for India in cricket matches, says his teacher

The Ahmed Siddibapa that Zareena Kola, a teacher in Bhatkal, remembers, rooted for India in cricket matches. She is among those in this coastal town of Karnataka struggling to reconcile what she remembers of young Ahmed with Yasin Bhatkal, the alleged co-founder of terror group Indian Mujahideen, arrested this week.

Ms Kola taught Ahmed in school. "He was a patriotic child. He regularly participated in Independence Day functions and was an ardent India supporter during cricket matches. It is difficult to imagine that he did something like this," said Ms Kola.
......

In the Siddibapa home in Bhatkal, his family is clinging to the hope that Yasin Bhatkal, now in the custody of the National Investigation Agency (NIA) is not the young man who disappeared seven years ago from Dubai where he had gone to set up a business.

"He was a very nice boy when he was here," says his father, Zarar Siddibapa.

Ever since the news of Yasin Bhatkal's arrest broke, the Siddibapas have kept indoors, the mossy walls of their house giving away very little of what is happening inside. On Friday, though, the family came out briefly to visit a nearby mosque.

Samad Siddibapa, Ahmed's younger brother, who bears a striking resemblance to him and was arrested in 2010 in a case of mistaken identity, says, "My life has been ruined forever after the arrest. Wherever I go I am a suspect. Now I just want to start a business on my own and move on with my life."

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Sep 2013 10:43

^^ News channels are reporting that his family used to get monthly remittances from TSP. No wonder they are still rooting for their "dear innocent child"

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Sep 2013 11:28

Sum ji,
Parents instinctively tend to believe their child is innocent of ANY crime.
There is a reason Courts dont accept testimonies from close relatives in criminal offenses .

However our paid sikular media has left all reason to the wind long ago and commits fraud on our justice system regularly by prominently airing their views as if what they tell carries weight.
This is just plain old FUD of highest degree being spread in communities and Indian media is completely responsible for this crime.

Its hightime for someone to make an example of outlets like Al-Hindu and Undie tv as a lesson to rest of the lot.... No one has the right to spread FUD in communities unless they have hard evidence to support their claims - especially close relatives of known terrorists.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 01 Sep 2013 12:30

Who killed Rajiv Gandhi? Filmmakers, read this

So what is the most credible theory as to who actually were behind RG's assassination.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Sep 2013 06:57

Close to border, Darbhanga was Yasin's hunting ground

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Sep 2013 08:01

What is Doggy Singh yelping nowadays about Indian Mujhdeen?

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Sep 2013 13:34

More peace on display:
Mamata's minister beaten up, held hostage for 8 hours

West Bengal Animal Resources Minister Nure Alam Chowdhury (inset) was assaulted and kept confined by a mob of villagers for over eight hours at a college in Rampurhat in Birbhum district over a disputed land.

The former High Court judge was injured but could not be taken to a hospital as he had been held up in a room of the college since 11.30 am and a mob laid siege to the college, Superintendent of Police C Sudhakar said.

After the minister came to attend a meeting of the college, a large mob attacked him and beat him up. It was being alleged that the mob gathered there after an announcement through public address system that the minister had come to demolish the mosque.

The usual Islam Khatrey mein hey!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Sep 2013 01:21

Some Zero tolerance Statements by Congis

Pranab calls for zero tolerance against terrorism

''...To my mind the only way forward is for the international community to avoid the trap of semantics and declare a policy of zero tolerance to terrorism, anywhere and everywhere,'' he said.

Zero tolerance to terrorism: PM
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Tuesday said "massive efforts" have been launched to guard the country's maritime borders after the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack and the government would pursue its promise of zero tolerance to terrorism. New Delhi, June 9 (IANS) Prime Minister Manmohan Singh Tuesday said "massive efforts" have been launched to guard the country's maritime borders after the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack and the government would pursue its promise of zero tolerance to terrorism.

Replying to a debate on the president's address to parliament, Manmohan Singh said: "Massive efforts have begun to guard our maritime borders. As the president said, there will be zero tolerance to terrorism."
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Enforcing 'Zero Tolerance To Terrorism' PM
Apart from terrorism, we also face the threat of insurgency and extremism in some parts of our country. Here too, our response has to be clear and purposive. While pursuing development and empowering all sections of our society, we must also ensure that law and order is maintained and strengthened. No cause, real or imaginary, can ever justify pursuit of violence. No democratic Government can tolerate the targeted killing of innocent citizens. While our Government is willing to talk to any disaffected group prepared to abjure violence, it stands firmly committed to enforcing 'zero tolerance to terrorism' within the framework of our existing legal system.

India will urge leaders of the Group of Eight nations meeting in Russia to adopt a policy of "zero tolerance" towards terrorism across the world, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said on Sunday.
Manmohan advocates zero tolerance to terrorism

Without naming Pakistan, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Friday advocated an international norm of "zero tolerance" to terrorism saying it would send the right signal to the "countries directly engaged" in perpetrating the menace or allowing their territories to be used by terrorists.
Last updated on: May 15, 2008 16:15 IST
Zero tolerance against terrorism: Shivraj Patil

New Delhi, Thu Jun 04 2009, 13:01 hrs
India to follow 'zero tolerance' against terror: Prez Patil
President Pratibha Patil said in her address to the joint session of Parliament

Government declared on Thursday that it will pursue a policy of "zero-tolerance" towards terrorism from whatever source it originates and seek to reshape relationship with Pakistan which should confront terror groups inimical to India.

Maintaining that the Government will keep utmost vigil in the area of internal security, the President said a policy of zero-tolerance towards terrorism from whatever source it emanates will be pursued.

"Stern measures to handle insurgency and left wing extremism will be taken. Government has already prepared a detailed plan to address internal security challenges to be implemented in a time-bound manner," she said.
New Delhi, Wed Dec 02 2009, 18:08 hrs
While talking about government approach towards any form of terrorism cause by any group irrespective of its religious colour,Chidambram said: "The government maintains zero tolerance for terrorism inspired by religion, may it be Islam or may it be Hindu." - See more at: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-s ... hGV1h.dpuf

May 23, 2011, 07.53pm IST
JAMMU: Congress chief Sonia Gandhion Monday asserted the UPA government at the Centre has adopted a tough and non-negotiable posture on the terror front while taking steps towards promoting peace and initiating dialogue with its neighbours.

Referring to the completion of two years of UPA-II rule, she said the government is pursuing a policy of zero tolerance towards terrorism.
Last updated May 5, 2012 01:18 IST
Home Minister P. Chidambaram on Friday gave an assurance to Rajya Sabha members on the safety and security of students from the northeast, saying he would write to the State governments to ensure “zero tolerance” of crimes against people from that region. He denied any discrimination and racial profiling of the students in any part of the country.
Aug 28, 2012
Krishna wants NAM to have zero tolerance for terrorism
Though I am not sure if he was reading Indian Speech.
“We need to raise the fight against terrorism to a higher level. There should be zero tolerance towards terrorism. It is high time that we demonstrate the necessary political will and agree on a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism at the United Nations,” Krishna said addressing the Foreign Ministers of the NAM countries.
Thursday, Aug 29, 2013, 20:55 IST
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1881647/r ... a-bahuguna
“We have zero tolerance towards terrorism. And those who comply with terrorism, we will take stern steps against them. This is an important step and government will not hesitate in taking such steps,” she said.

ouch

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Sep 2013 01:48

Mahesh_R wrote: Guru's ...two questions..
1) Why do we have to deport to Nepal and bring them by road to India...why can't we directly deport to India from ME ?
2) After they are caught, interrogated and bought to court or before press they don't look under any kind of pressure or looks like no 3rd degree is used on them to get the info ? is it because for the fear of high profile cases no 3rd degree is used to get info from them ? I am not sure if they will give away all the info with just a normal interrogation ...

for that matter a small time thief is given 3rd degree to get the info ...why these animal are given the privilege like political leaders caught in scams... ?

1) are you sure he was deported from the ME to nepal ?

2) a bit of slapping around is usual but 3rd degree is not considered truly effective by the experts. there are many other ways. it is a subject by itself.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Sep 2013 07:11

Yasin reveals IM's modus operandi

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Sep 2013 12:07

Krishna wants NAM to have zero tolerance for terrorism
Though I am not sure if he was reading Indian Speech.

Nice punch line.. Chaanakya ji

Skanda · Post by **Skanda** » 04 Sep 2013 14:16

Hindu terror in all its glory

NIA believes Aseemanand not involved in Malegaon blasts

Former RSS activist Naba Kumar Sarkar alias Aseemanand, whose confession in December 2010 led to the unraveling of a saffron terror conspiracy behind the 2006 Malegaon blasts apart from several other attacks, may himself be never charged in the case. National Investigation Agency (NIA), which left him out in its recently filed chargesheet in the case, believes that Aseemanand was actually not involved in the blasts that killed 37 people.

In his confession too, Aseemanand mentions that it was slain RSS pracharak Sunil Joshi who informed him that his boys were behind the blasts.

Apart from hearsay, there seems to be no credible evidence. So much for those dangerous Saffron terrorists

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Sep 2013 22:26

INC is cleaning up to ensure no loose strands if they lose power.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Sep 2013 22:34

ramana wrote:INC is cleaning up to ensure no loose strands if they lose power.

So we will see more arrests in batla-corners. It will work for them too - tough on terror and cool with Yindus.

Lets see how it goes... Like I said before, I will vote for Congress if they
1. Build Bhavya Ram temple and
2. Recapture POK and remove A370.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Sep 2013 02:51

Ramanaji,

Here is another non-termite actor that got arrested.

krishnan wrote:
13:36 LIVE! Top Hizbul Mujahideen leader Talib Lali arrested in J-K: Just in: Hizbul Mujahideen top Talib Lall arrested in Srinagar. He is wanted in many attacks on security personnel and civilians. This is the third big arrest after LeT bomb-maker Abdul Karim Tunda and IM boss Yasin Bhatkal.

Lali was arrested along with two other suspects from Bandipora district of Jammu and Kashmir after a brief exchange of fire with the forces.

A native of Margigul, Ajas, in Bandipora, Talib Lali was one of the longest surviving Hizbul terrorist in the valley with deep rooted contacts in the terror network that works on both sides of the Line of Control (LoC) with Pakistan.

Lali (41), also known as Waseem and Abu Umer, was allegedly involved in procuring regular and systematic funding from across the border for Hizbul, to promote terrorist activities in India.

The funding from across the border was allegedly being routed through Jammu & Kashmir Affectees Relief Trusts (JKART), a frontal organization of HM, reports said.-- Zee News
Its very rare to catch pigs after encounter, are these scums handing them self over or what ??? they would rather die then being caught alive

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2013 04:18

Gen Paddy predicted the returnees in his book as they get disenchanted with Paki plans.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Sep 2013 04:59

I don't think we reached that point yet.

This looks like a calibrated plan. I hope intelligence agencies watch out for all the people who get out of jails from now on.

If there is an attack tomorrow, no one can blame these folks.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2013 05:02

Not really. HM is different than the IM guys. IM guys is INC cleanup.
HM is the wapasi folks.
All are from IB efforts.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Sep 2013 06:35

Yasin interrogation reveals Hyderabad bombers

‘Yasin was in touch with youth outfits from Kerala, Karnataka’

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Sep 2013 09:31

Kerala CM Promises 'Full Justice' for [the Innocent] Maudany - The Hindu

Chief Minister Oommen Chandy has said that the State government will do everything within its power to ensure justice for People’s Democratic Party (PDP) leader Abdul Nasir Maudany who is currently lodged in the Bangalore Central prison.

Mr. Chandy, who was responding to a memorandum submitted to him by a PDP delegation headed by party working chairman Poonthura Siraj, said his government had already taken up the issue with the Karnataka government.

In its memorandum, the PDP delegation told the Chief Minister that the negative stand taken by the Karnataka government was standing in the way of Maudany being released {What an audacious way with words ! So, the State's prosecution of a criminal, and that too a terrorist, is 'negative stand' ?} for treatment of his various ailments. They pointed out that the PDP leader’s health was deteriorating by the day. Although he had moved the Karnataka High Court seeking bail for treatment at his own expense, it was rejected following stiff resistance from the Karnataka police, they said.

The PDP, they said, had hoped that Maudany would get natural justice after the assumption of office by the Congress government. However, contrary to all expectations, the Karnataka police had taken a strong stand against his bail plea. The government should immediately get in touch with Karnataka to save Maudany’s life, the PDP delegation said.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 05 Sep 2013 09:33

^^Is the PDP in Kerala the same as the Kashmiri PDP or are they two different parties?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 05 Sep 2013 12:10

Who cares, as far as their actions are same.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 05 Sep 2013 12:39

Different.... but same. Kinda like Narakasura and Tarakasura IMHO. But Madhany's PDP is courted by UDF and LDF alike since they have enough numbers to tilt the results in a dozen assembly constituencies. Considering that in Kerala elections margins are usually wafer thin, this makes PDP (and even smaller outfits like BSP, SS etc) "attached" to either of the two fronts. Case to case basis.

The political face of the NDF, viz. the SDPI, derisively called "Sudaappi" in these lands, is gaining power though. Madani's outfit is a milquetoast motley band in comparison..... though the PDP has been in the mainstream a long time. In large swathes of the Northern bandlands of Calicut/Kannur/Kasargod, where RSS-CPIM hacked and hewed each other for years till not so long ago, the former enemies have joined forces to take on the Sudaappis. The organizational efficiency and infiltration activities (into other outfits) and "response time" of this new outfit is to be seen to believed - "highway patrols", roving "bike squads"and highly articulate spokesmen.

Old pals in the RSS say they are might bring back formerly prominent (in those parts), euphemistically termed "Shaareerikam" (i.e. "Physical") program to meet the growing threat. The CPIM of course never put their wetworks in the cold storage as evidenced in the random political murders and the recent infamous in-house spring cleaning.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 05 Sep 2013 16:16

RahulM wrote:are you sure he was deported from the ME to nepal ?

For the Bhatkal moron, a vernacular daily in Malayalam reports that he was pretty much under "close observation" at his hide out in Nepal. The IB had him under surveillance, double checked all photographs and went for the kill. So looks like Yasin Bhatkal becoming a canary (and singing) started some time earlier than now. It is only after singing for days (and the songs recorded) that he may have formally brought to India. The same report says that Yasin confirms the presence of two IM Modules (North & South), who generally do not interact with each other on regular basis. IB had it seems suspected that for quite some time.

[quote=""SSridhar"]Kerala CM Promises 'Full Justice' for [the Innocent] Maudany - The Hindu[/quote]
Various Kerala "leaders" have been saying this for quite some time. But nothing really happens on the ground. Now any one can guess why various agencies do NOT want to hold up any criminal/terrorist in Kerala. Sooner or later some bafoons would gang up and start a "pro-terrorist/criminal" group and start a campaign. The Karnataka Home Minister has clearly stated that the state's public prosecutor would argue his case using the various FIRs, Charge sheets etc. produced by the Karnataka state police. Another person who always surprised me with his absolute love for Maudhany was the commie MP Dr.Sebastian Paul.

Anand K wrote:The organizational efficiency and infiltration activities (into other outfits) and "response time" of this new outfit is to be seen to believed - "highway patrols", roving "bike squads"and highly articulate spokesmen

Yes, the "Sudaapis" are getting undue mileage these days. To be very honest, I find that the average Keralite Yindoo (be it a Congie, a Sanghie or a Commie) is a bit scared of the "Sudaapis". Even the great media moghuls who talk about communalism, the state going to the dogs etc. are very reserved to the problem of "Sudaapis". Guess the College teacher's hand chopping incident made these worthies pee in their pants and stay aloof. Off course the social media is a bit more liberal and more global so the "Sudaapis" do get their true colours revealed once in a while. A key area of focus for the Sudaapis have been on the "moral policing" (though there is no morality, or any aspect of policing there).

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 05 Sep 2013 17:57

exactly sachin, I don't think there's a ME angle to this arrest. IB anyway operates in nepal as if it's home turf.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2013 19:15

gauravsh wrote:That's for the first time, if they can bring some evidence.
From where are these men hired ? gulf ?
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... /1164853/0

Has the IB started looking into this aspect? Especially the dead jihadi in Syria with an Indian passport?

RahulM, Why make unnecessary remarks on Nepal? Its all maya. What matters is a stream of pak based/linked terrorists are getting arrested or turning themselves in and revealing all about the TSP's terrorist nature.

Abu Jundal(#3 in LeT) to Yasin Bhatkal with Tunda in the middle.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 05 Sep 2013 20:10

it's not unnecessary.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 05 Sep 2013 20:19

Sachin wrote: Yes, the "Sudaapis" are getting undue mileage these days. To be very honest, I find that the average Keralite Yindoo (be it a Congie, a Sanghie or a Commie) is a bit scared of the "Sudaapis". Even the great media moghuls who talk about communalism, the state going to the dogs etc. are very reserved to the problem of "Sudaapis". Guess the College teacher's hand chopping incident made these worthies pee in their pants and stay aloof. Off course the social media is a bit more liberal and more global so the "Sudaapis" do get their true colours revealed once in a while. A key area of focus for the Sudaapis have been on the "moral policing" (though there is no morality, or any aspect of policing there).

The Bike Squads are the moral police.... they ensure the motorhams do not talk to the Kufr and other purity aspects. They also double as the backup if their brethren gets into trouble. Apparently two of the recent campus murders of ABVP activists is attributed to these squads. In both cases the Campus Front and ABVP had a minor skirmish inside the college (or at the gate?)..... the CF kids called there big brothers in the squad who entered the premises and used disproportionate violence before anybody knew what happened.

I think the main reason people are put off is the narrative they are bringing in. I remember the Madhany and his ISS days.... it was boilerplate "haalilakkam" and trouble making. I mean, his words can set alight the Ashtamudi Wetlands but it was like the temporary high of a quick snort of coke. OTOH the NDF-SDPI is bringing in a narrative that worms its way into the minds of the young and even educated older and secular Muslims.... and Dalits. They seem to be in it for the long run and not just to be the Dada of another Anwarssery and a political prostitute. They don't want the whole movement to rely on one person.
And about the narrative thingie, here's a short story that is apparently (one of the many) used to make the "disinterested" and "satisfied" Momins see the truth. This was before Saladin's conquest of Jerusalem campaign - one fine Ramazan fast day, a very popular and charismatic preacher entered the mosque and started eating. The worshipers were livid and they ganged up on the preacher to make him see the truth. The preacher said something of the sort - "You fat, rich people counting the gold of the Crusader next door and enjoying the fruits of so-called peace is blind to the greatest blasphemy in the eyes of Allah. The Masjid Al Aqsa and the land of the Nabis is suffering under the yoke of the infidel! The crusaders have more than once directly assaulted the Prophet's Mosques. If you could all live content with such a dire denial of Allah, you can surely live with an old man eating in a Masjid during Ramzan fasting". This incident apparently had a major impact... even on Saladin himself that he swore to win back Jerusalem and cleanse the lands of the Kufr. And he indeed turn out to be victorious to the glory of Allah and Islam.
So, what is the moral of the story for modern Muslims living in "comfort and security" in India?

I think people sense that when the NDF-SDPI movement gains critical mass, you won't be able to bounce back to usual programming like you did after the odd riots of the past (like Poonthura or even Marad). They also see the acts (and stories about the training/indoctrination) of this new breed and they see that these guys are different

Jm2c

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 05 Sep 2013 20:25

Anand K garu,

How would you handle such initiatives? Obviously Law and Order (LAO) cannot do much for there is no minority report law. Launcha Dharmic-SuDesi vigilante group?

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 05 Sep 2013 20:44

ramana wrote:What matters is a stream of pak based/linked terrorists are getting arrested or turning themselves in and revealing all about the TSP's terrorist nature.

Abu Jundal(#3 in LeT) to Yasin Bhatkal with Tunda in the middle.

Is this IB's plan to thwart any sellout by MMS to Sharif in New York? Plus revenge for the Ishrat Jahan hounding.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2013 20:46

IB works for GOI.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Sep 2013 20:47

Hopefully more videos will come out of gangsters breaking in campus to kill.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 05 Sep 2013 20:53

RamaY wrote:Anand K garu,

How would you handle such initiatives? Obviously Law and Order (LAO) cannot do much for there is no minority report law. Launcha Dharmic-SuDesi vigilante group?

Find out if they have IM connections, arrest a few (for both terrorist connections & the ABVP student murders) and if things start to get out of hand, ban the group.

But begin by infiltration into the group. I hope IB is up to the task

Anand brings up the important topic of narrative. Hindus dont have a narrative that clearly articulates that our way of life, religion & peace are under threat. We also need the militia muscle - hopefully someone other than RSS. Its amazing how these Muslim borderline terror groups sprout like mushrooms