Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 05:47

krisna, I just recalled one of Chanakya's axioms. "One must make the other side choose."

I think RNS/NM et al tired of all the past defeats, loss of Karnataka, etc made the D4 choose. Unfortunately LKA, the leader was left all alone. And hence this blaze of glory.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 11 Jun 2013 05:49

Why such desire for PMship at the age when most of the folks are leading a retried life. How much energy he would have to even work for 8 hours as PM and take creditable decisions.
BTW the Kangressi and Paid Media who now behave as if he is leading light of sekularism would be well advised to remember that he is still an accused in RJB case.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 11 Jun 2013 05:50

Sankuji will have trouble covering up this episode

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Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 05:51

Modi presents no credible option to India's problems, says Patnaik

"I don't think Narendra Modi presents a credible alternative to the problems the country is facing. Much of the development in Gujarat is hyped up. The state has always been prosperous and credit for that should not go to one person," Patnaik told The Indian Express over the phone.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/modi- ... k/1127564/

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 Jun 2013 05:52

I have huge respect for Advaniji. When he was rising, his Rath Yatra had passed through my town (with a night halt at the circuit house, duly managed by yours truly family, among other people). I had traveled again several 100 miles again to listen to him. Anyways, I could have marched anywhere to his orders then, but today my leader is Shri Modi Ji. Advani ji going out will be painful if he insists (due to Maino's blackmail), but electorally of little impact. It has truly dented the momentum build in Goa, but the Mainos may not win. As many had predicted, there bag of dirty tricks are endless. This is the first shot. Remember, this foreign system that rules us today has a 1000 years of long history. Initially it was some Arabic tribe trying to expand its religion, then the Turks, followed by Moghuls (when two of the greatest debilitating changes were mandated by Royal decree, end of use of Sanskrit and end of carrying of Arms by Indian), then came the Britishers (to take our gold and harvest our souls, they found doing both tough and decided that they would rather have our gold and not bother with our souls), they institutionalized the foreign system where they derided our religion, culture etc by having Brown Sahibs that would duly serve the empire. They had just now overwritten the persian institution brought by the Religion of peace. Finally the white masters were made to leave, their project of having enough self loathing brown sahibs cut short by two debilitating world war. But the Indic system that was under subjugation for 1000 years could not assert itself, and the mantle did pass to the limited number of Brown Sahibs (along with genuine indic but guileless leaders). Soon within 60 years of independence even the pretense of independence was taken away when a foreign lady happen to be the lord of the land. Indian Gold was still lusted, along with the souls. Numerous corruption transferred untold wealth outside. Democracy became the perfect tool to fool people. Elections were won based on Money, liquor, CBI, blackmail, EVM and the game went on.
Then came a leader from the Indic side. He was trying to do what others had tried and failed in the last 1000 years (but their struggle had strengthened the Indic side). The going is not going to be smooth. We owe it to our country and countless peoples sacrifices for the last 1000 years (80 million were slaughtered when world population was a fraction of what it is today by one kind of enemy, while another 10s of million killed by the other kind of subjugater) to hold steady and deliver that victory that has long deluded us. The going will not be smooth. Look at the big picture, we are doing great, we may not be winning, but that victory is only that far, lets not loose it this time.
rgds,
fanne

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 06:01

fanne, Thanks for the summary of the last thousand years. I was going to write a similar post in the Secularism thread talking about the instabiltiy in Indian narrative due to the neglect of Sanskrit which killed intellectualism or the capability to express your ideas in Hindu India.

BTW in 1977, I along with my classmates went to hear ABV, LKA and Vijayalakshmi Pandit speak about the Emergency and what it was like in jail in Madras Marina beach. The crowds were humungous and we had to walk all the way back to Guindy where IIT was lcoated. No buses back!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 06:22

NDA is now on ventilator support, I am saddened, says Sharad Yadav

Modi presents no credible option to India's problems, says Patnaik

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 06:23

NDA now on ventilator support:Sharad Yadav, JD(U)

The Janata Dal (United) Monday gave enough hints that it could sever ties with the BJP after Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi was named the BJP's election campaign panel chief and its veteran leader L K Advani quit all party posts.

JD(U) national president Sharad Yadav said Advani's resignation had greatly jeopardized the unity of the NDA and put the alliance on "ventilator support".

Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar, who spoke before Advani's decision to quit became public, said "senior party leaders would sit together to discuss party strategies and take a decision".

But Yadav was more forthright as he indicated that the alliance was close to a flashpoint. "Advaniji's resignation is a serious issue and not good for the NDA's health. We will review the latest developments. I am deeply saddened by the resignation of Advaniji because the NDA was forged with the efforts of Atalji and Advaniji," he said.

Kumar, who returned to Patna after the Sewa Yatra in Madhepura, Araria and Bhagalpur and has been ducking all questions on Modi for three days, treaded cautiously on the subject on Monday. "We have heard and read the news. Senior party leaders will sit together and discuss strategy," he said.

The JD-U, which often rallied behind Advani and contested the 2009 Lok Sabha elections under his leadership, said his decision to quit all party posts was a "further jolt to the prospects of continuing with the NDA".

"Advaniji's resignation, in my opinion, is a serious issue and we will convene our own party meeting to discuss the matter," said Yadav, who is also the NDA convenor. JD-U national general secretary K C Tyagi said it "would be difficult for the JD-U to remain in the NDA".

The JD-U, which had earlier termed the developments within the BJP "an internal matter" of that party, seems to have reversed its political posturing. "The time has come for us to take a strong decision. Advani resigning from all party posts will have a direct bearing on the BJP's relationship with the JD-U and other allies. The BJP is engaged in a slugfest and has disregarded its most respected leader," said JD-U national spokesperson Shivanand Tiwari.

Tiwari, however, conceded that the party was down after its Maharajganj bypoll defeat and was not emboldened enough to take "any drastic decision because of practical political constraints". JD-U sources, however, said the party was forced to "re-think" its strategy not only because of Modi being made the campaign committee chief but also BJP president Rajnath Singh's frequent reference to "providing BJP a strong leadership" as the reason behind the decision to give Modi the new charge.

The said senior JD-U leaders are likely to meet within a week to discuss party strategy.

Rajya Sabha MP Ali Anwar said the party had to revisit its strategy because of the fast-changing political situation. "Anyone can guess what Narendra Modi's elevation means. Though we have set a deadline, we have to revisit our stand," he said.

A close aide of Kumar said that the party had never mentioned December as its deadline. "Well before the year-end could mean November and even October," said the source.

But party sources said the JD-U is constrained and cannot overreact because of some bitter home truths. What bothers the JD-U is not only the huge margin of defeat to the RJD in Maharajganj but also the miniscule percentage of minority voters voting for the JD-U candidate.

"We have said no to Modi only to broad-base our minority support at the expense of the RJD and Congress. Although the Maharajganj experiment cannot necessarily be replicated elsewhere, the party has to ponder why Muslim voters are not greatly convinced by our stand on Modi," said a senior leader. — with PTI inputs

A political leader should not make unneccessary remarks.

If Mahrajgang bye-poll results shows Muslim voters didnt vote for JD(U) anyway despite their psecular stand then whats the point?

Same with CBN of TDP

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 06:26

Jayalalithaa is happy for Modi, but no alliance

Mamata on Facebook for regional front

Badals silent on resignation after hailing elevation

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 06:27

Organiser to primary member

On the Ram Rath Yatra in 1992; Modi too is on the chariot

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 06:30

Sangh Parivar shadow-boxing at centre of BJP turmoil

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 06:31

Well after BJP sorts out the matter the allies will get to choose.
And chosing decides their relevance.
So far Nitish Kumar might be out.
BJD's Patnaik and TDP's CBN were not in.
Let them win their states.

Mamta is cat on a wall. If she has no say in Central govt she will be toast in West Bengal.
So she will support whoever comes to power.
Badals, UT et al need BJP to sort itself out.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Jun 2013 06:36

fanne wrote:Then came a leader from the Indic side. He was trying to do what others had tried and failed in the last 1000 years (but their struggle had strengthened the Indic side). The going is not going to be smooth. We owe it to our country and countless peoples sacrifices for the last 1000 years (80 million were slaughtered when world population was a fraction of what it is today by one kind of enemy, while another 10s of million killed by the other kind of subjugater) to hold steady and deliver that victory that has long deluded us. The going will not be smooth. Look at the big picture, we are doing great, we may not be winning, but that victory is only that far, lets not loose it this time.gds,fanne

As they Say about Indic,
Na Darra Hai, Naa Harra Hai, Naa Marra Hai
Par
Jubb Bhi Harra orr Marra Hai
Apne Hi Bhai kei Hattho Hua hai!!

LP trying sabotaging the opportunity of Millennium is just plain Pakiness.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 11 Jun 2013 06:38

Sushupti wrote:
Modi presents no credible option to India's problems, says Patnaik

"I don't think Narendra Modi presents a credible alternative to the problems the country is facing. Much of the development in Gujarat is hyped up. The state has always been prosperous and credit for that should not go to one person," Patnaik told The Indian Express over the phone.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/modi- ... k/1127564/

Whats this guy's problem. A state where mullahs are less than 2%, why is he barking abt godhra or is this indian express playing mischief.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jun 2013 06:54

^^ If you read is interview he has more problems in Odissa then to speaks about BJP and Modi. Just a few gratitous remarks. The guy he expelled for trying to dethorne him was instrumental in breaking the allaince with BJD. Looks like the affliction is till there even with Patnaik.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Jun 2013 06:55

Advani has to look at this case and ask himself one question. Should I be named as a traitor who perpetrated a foreign agent rule in this country? Would I be read as that traitor 50 years after? He is not that traitor. Why is he acting like this?

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/maleg ... 130610.htm
Malegaon blast probe is headed nowhere. Here's why

Following the blast, the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorist Squad arrested several Muslim youth. Over the years, the theory changed and the Hindus extremist angle came to the forefront. Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur was named as one of the main accused in the case.

Now, surprisingly, her name does not even figure in the chargesheet filed by the National Investigation Agency, which took over the case from the Maharashtra ATS.

Sources told rediff.com that there was not enough evidence on hand to file a chargesheet against Sadhvi Pragya and that even if they were to file a supplementary chargesheet, her name may not figure in it.

The question now is whether Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur will walk free after spending so many years in jail amidst deteriorating health condition.

Her legal team sees this as a positive sign.

Her advocate, Ganesh Sovani told rediff.com that there is a long way to go before Sadhvi Pragya could walk free as there are two more cases against her.

In addition to this, the defence team is also questioning the decision to book her under the provisions of the Maharashtra Control of Organised Crimes Act.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 11 Jun 2013 07:08

abhishek_sharma wrote:Sangh Parivar shadow-boxing at centre of BJP turmoil

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"The sum and substance of his rebellion today is his objection to Rajnath's deferrence to RSS more than towards him," said a senior party functionary. In fact, one functionary considered close to Advani claimed that Singh rejected Advani's suggestion not just due to the popular support for Modi but also due to the influence of Soni.

With Advani's popular support within the party falling far short of that of Modi, the veteran leader sought to leverage his relatively broader acceptance within the NDA to flex his muscle against the RSS's micro-management against his wishes and suggestions.

So again he wants to use NDA to destroy BJP.

Look at his antics:

1. In K'taka, he made sure BJP is destroyed and power is handed back to Maion clan
2. He used Yashwant Sinha to kick out Gadkari
3. He tried to use Gandkari against Modi last week.
4. Nitish was solely acting on Advani's behalf and egging on. Now that Nitish has been completely demolished, the cowards of JD(U) don't even have an option.
6. He is basically telling every NDA constituent to tell BJP what they should do about their own election plan even though BJP is lot bigger than them.
7. He played similar game with Shiv Sena
8. He tried to put Chouhan against Modi. Fortunately Chouhan & Gadkari saw through his game and said NO.

The best option now for BJP is to reject his resignation, make some noise and ignore him. He will scream through PAIDMEDIA and people will lose interest. BJP should not let JD(U) dictate what their game should be. Advani's main game is to hand over power to MAINO or to reduce BJP to 150 range and make sure a compromise candidate other than Modi comes in to make sure the system remains in tact.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 07:28

Why, recently, he has started emphasizing on "Akhandbharat"?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 Jun 2013 07:32

Btw from what we know, story of BJP is story of Lal Krishna Advani. BJP was formed in 1980 and then in 1984 it won grand total of two seats. In 1989 LKA then took RJB Rath Yatra (after Mandal was introduced), catapulted BJP to power within a decade and few election later. That is what history tells us.

However, there is another story, equally profound but not well known. In 1987 when BJP had just 2 seats in Lok Sabha, Congress had the biggest mandate in history and ruled almost all states in India (Devi lal victory was to happen in July 1987 in Haryana), BJP was making progress in Gujarat by leaps and bounds. It all started with Gujarat experiment, a rath yatra called Nyay Yatra (concept copied from NTR from his 1982 victory), by BJP organised by a motely crew of nobody's, chief among them was one Narendra Modi. The Rath yatra was a hit, followed by another Lok Shakti yatra in 1989 which saw BJP supported Chiman Bhai winning election. This yatra was again brainchild of a group of people, chief among them was one Narendra BHai Modi. Then to counter Mandal, again a group of people met, it was suggested that Advani Ji should start a Yatra (as that experiment had yielded handsome return for BJP in Gujarat). One of the backroom boys, NM was again one of the chief protagonist of the idea and the convener of the Gujarat leg of the Yatra. He continued with his Yatra (maybe it was all along his brainchild), he was the national convener of Ekta Yatra and accompanied MMJ from Kanya Kumari to Kashmir. This yatra was not that suuccesfull as the Rath Yatra of Advani (where Mahajan played the role what Modi was playing with MMJ). NM of course perfected this Yatra for his subsequent Gujarat assembly win, latest being Vivekanand Yatra.
So when people give Advani credit of taking BJP from 2 seats to 185 (duly deserved), don't forget the man behind that original idea. He has come to ask his due, if dues are indeed paid for these kinds of act (as many Advani supporters may insist).
rgds,
fanne

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 07:39

"The recent attempts at wit and sarcasm of reprobate UPA ministers as Narendra Modi’s political fortunes advance relentlessly is too pathetic to merit analysis. Their behaviour only exposes their low cunning and palpable anxiety at the political abyss confronting them. The exclusive preoccupation of these supine family retainers is degrading obeisance to India’s ignorant quasi royals sporting suspect foreign degree certificates. This obscenity has to end and the principals and protagonists of this humiliation of an ancient civilisation cast into the political dustbin where they belong.

More shocking is the rank criminality of the Congress high command and some governmental agencies that are virtually blind towards Pakistani and Indian domestic terror group activities. Their constant espousal of lies about the involvement in the 2002 Gujarat riots of Narendra Modi’s government, emphatically absolved by the Supreme Court SIT, has become the principal catalyst prompting ostensible retaliatory terrorist murders. This issue will justify unsparing public investigation and judicial purging by an incoming administration in 2014. In keeping with the Congress party’s underplaying of jihadi violence in the country, prime minister Manmohan Singh himself sought to exonerate Pakistan of its direct sponsorship of terrorism against India. His affirmation at Sharm El Sheikh that they too were victims of terror was all of a piece.

The supposedly retiring academic and allegedly incorruptible saint has turned out to be a cunning and disastrous patron of harm to India’s vital national interests. Both he and his advisers should have been repudiated immediately on their return from Sharm El Sheikh. But, alas, the fate of India is in the hands of extra-parliamentary subversives who have corrupted its fundamental constitutional proprieties. And the presumed heir to the veritable national crown, with nothing whatsoever to justify it, had the gall to inform the US ambassador to India that he was mainly exercised by Hindu terror! He could not have been in any doubt about the actual source from which virtually all of it emanates in the entire world, but calculatedly chose to point an accusing finger at the majority in India he views as the principal hindrance to his dismal personal aspirations.

From all accounts, Narendra Modi is poised to become India’s first genuinely secular prime minister. Jawaharlal Nehru’s secular impulses were basically a sham since he allowed political prejudices to determine their actual policy content. His successors have turned this initial duplicity into a low art form. There is every indication that Modi himself is instinctively averse to most current forms of state involvement in religious issues, which is the communalized norm that pretends to be its exact opposite. Their hugely damaging socio-political consequences are ignored because votebanks now determine electoral outcomes in much of India. "

http://www.newsinsight.net/Tasksahead.aspx

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Jun 2013 07:40

Here's something that many people don't readily remember about LK Advani.

The length of this man's commitment to nationalist causes, and the exceptional service he has rendered, are perhaps unmatched by any other living politician in India today.

I'm not talking about the '92 Rath Yatra or bringing BJP from 2 to 180 seats. That's all recent history.

I'm talking about a time when Narendra Modi was a toddler of 2 years, and the Republic itself was barely past its infancy. It was 1953, and India was ruled by a man who called himself an Englishman by education, a Muslim by culture and a Hindu by accident. Jawaharlal Nehru had established a cosy relationship with the National Conference in Jammu & Kashmir, and in the process, all but handed over autocratic power within the state to Sheikh Abdullah.

This was in stark contrast to Princely States all over the rest of India, where one by one, Sardar Patel had cajoled, threatened, persuaded or browbeaten every single ruler to accept the Instrument of Accession in letter as well as spirit for their territories, bringing them benignly but firmly into the Union. Nehru was hell bent on making an exception of Kashmir. You know how the "soft Jihadis" among the Hurriyat Conference are always clamouring for a "pre-1953 status" for J&K as a stepping stone to secession from India? Well, that "pre-1953 status", which included "Prime Ministerial" designation for Sheikh Abdullah, an independent constitutent assembly for J&K state, a national flag of J&K, and complete autonomy other than in terms of currency, defence and foreign affairs... this travesty of integration was what Nehru and lavished on India's only Muslim-majority state at that time.

Month after month, year after year, the Sheikh's demands for autonomy grew more and more stridently outrageous... and month after month, Nehru obliged him further. Whether this was because Nehru saw J&K as some grand experimental template whereby an India-Pakistan union could be fashioned, or whether he was simply blackmailed by the Sheikh's repeated flirtations with Western envoys, one cannot say.

What one can say was that J&K was a disaster in the making. If the "Pre-1953 status" had persisted, with J&K continuously growing more and more intensely antagonistic to integration with the Indian Union, its special status would have become a bell-weather for Muslim majority regions in every part of the country. Nehru's ill-advised special treatment to the Sheikh would likely have resulted in another 20 partitions within the next decade.

These fears were very much on the minds of nationalist Indians, particularly the Hindu Mahasaba and the Bharatiya Jan Sangh. We have all heard how the BJS' president, Dr. Shyama Prasad Mookerjee, undertook a yatra to appeal directly to the Hindus of Jammu, who were feeling more and more alarmed at having their own aspirations utterly sidelined by the Sheikh-Nehru lovefest. Declaring that Article 370 amounted to the Balkanization of India, and paved the way for a Three Nation Theory, Dr. Mookerjee set out for Kashmir and was arrested by the Sheikh's government on 11th May 1953. Deliberately denied medical attention while in custody, Dr. Mookerjee was allowed to die from a heart attack on June 23rd.

Dr. Mookerjee set out on his yatra against a chorus of mealy-mouthed opposition from the more "cautious" of his own partymen... several Jan Sangh leaders were afraid of confronting the will of the Great Pandit Nehru, still dearly beloved by the Indian population as a "hero" of the freedom struggle, in such a bold and open manner. One man, however, offered Dr. Mookerjee not only his steadfast support and determination... but also the brilliant organizational skill and legendary acumen for political campaigning that made him a household name 40 years later. That man was a young Jan Sangh worker, a protege and resolute right-hand man of Dr. Mookerjee's... a 25 year old Sindhi gentleman named LK Advani.

In all that we do and say today, twisting like reeds before the hot winds of social media chatter and 24 X 7 cable commentary... let us never forget this. But for the sacrifice Dr. Mookerjee undertook in 1953, the rest of the country might never have been energized to care about the disaster that Nehru was perpetrating in J&K. It was Dr. Mookerjee's act of ultimate courage that brought the Nehruvian sellout of J&K into the front and center of public consciousness, and forever changed the debate about the status of J&K within India. It is no stretch to say that the map of India may have been very different before most of us were even born, had Dr. Mookerjee not set out to challenge the Three Nation Theory that his contemporary seculars were putting to the test (at the expense of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists of J&K state, of course.)

And behind the scenes, orchestrating this landmark political yatra with unparalleled determination and inspiration, seeking so little credit for himself that even after 60 years there is almost no public mention of his role in the episode... was LK Advani, doing what he did best. It is a debt that we will never repay.

I do not say this to praise Advani or excuse what he has done over the last 10 years, the last six months, or the last three days. But let us never forget that before these 10 years came a life of service to the nation that perhaps no individual... and certainly no BRF poster... could ever hope to match.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 07:42

The Real Fears Of Sonia Gandhi

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/06/the- ... andhi.html

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 11 Jun 2013 07:46

Stupid First Post guys, scratching each other's backs - Venky and Jaggy. They make you read each other's articles onlee....Just kidding...........

Read it in this order:
1. http://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjps- ... 21811.html {May 26th 2012 article}
BJP’s Gen Next takes over, with Modi as ‘first among equals.

For the first time, the party’s Gen Next – as represented by the triumvirate of Narendra Modi, Nitin Gadkari and Arun Jaitely – have stepped up to take control of the party.

This doesn’t, of course, mean that there isn’t a role for Advani and Swaraj within the core leadership of the party. But the unambiguous message that’s been sent to them is that a pecking order of sorts has been established – in the larger interest of the party and to lend coherence to the campaign ahead – which it would be in their interests to honour.

2. http://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi- ... 21884.html {Same day May 26th of 2012}

Nature abhors a vacuum. The BJP’s power vacuum, apparent for eight years now after the exit of Atal Bihari Vajpayee and the failure of LK Advani to fill the gap, is finally about to end. The party’s national executive meeting in Mumbai, which ended on Friday, will thus be remembered for marking a decisive shift in power, as this Firstpost story points out.

Nitin Gadkari has the blessings of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS) bosses in Nagpur. He was catapulted to the party’s top job after the 2009 debacle when the BJP appeared to be falling apart. Why didn’t he consolidate his power? The simple answer is: he is not a mass leader. A technocrat can wield power only if there is a real power behind him. Manmohan Singh needed a Narasimha Rao to deliver his reforms.

3. http://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjp-m ... 60269.html {June 10th 2013, more than a year after those two articles}

Only that way can the party break free from being held hostage to its past. Tempered by the fire that Advani has set off, the BJP can, if it plays its cards astutely, emerge stronger from this crisis.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 11 Jun 2013 07:48

Very interesting perspective on Advani and on Vajpayee also, from the original founder Balraj Madhok. Advani has a very shady history.

What Jana Sangh’s co founder Balraj Madhok has to say - http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/capital ... as-to-say/

Also, did Modi lie about Advani's blessings? Apparently not - http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 74278.aspx

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 07:49

Rudradev wrote:Here's something that many people don't readily remember about LK Advani.

The length of this man's commitment to nationalist causes, and the exceptional service he has rendered, are perhaps unmatched by any other living politician in India today.

I do not say this to praise Advani or excuse what he has done over the last 10 years, the last six months, or the last three days. But let us never forget that before these 10 years came a life of service to the nation that perhaps no individual... and certainly no BRF poster... could ever hope to match.

One of my very close friend, who was very active during RJB days, almost got killed in Ayodhya when Mulayam Singh ordered firing on Karsevaks, is now SP leader.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 07:53

Advani's pre-emptive strike to stop Modi as PM candidate

L K Advani [ Images ] had no option but to strike now to ensure that Narendra Modi [ Images ] is not announced as the BJP's prime ministerial candidate under any circumstances before the general election, says Sheela Bhatt.

Lal Krishna Advani is doing something unthinkable for an 85-year-old veteran because he fears that the party that he founded and nurtured will surely declare Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as its prime ministerial candidate, if not soon then on the eve of the general election, a colleague of Advani told rediff.com.

His hunch is that the party won’t keep things vague. He also understands that after the Mohammed Ali Jinnah controversy, the thread of trust between him and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh has been broken and he is unable to win back his esteemed colleagues of yesteryear. Since the RSS is not listening, he has been forced to take the extreme step of resigning from all posts in the Bharatiya Janata Party [ Images ].

However, it can be safely said that he is the best judge of contemporary Indian political trends. He knows there was never such a golden opportunity for the opposition party to trounce the incumbent as it now has. He also knows a few weaknesses of his shishya-turned-challenger Modi. He is trying to highlight that now before it is too late.

One of the issues he is talking about relates to the character of the BJP. The party with an institutionalised decision-making process where collective leadership works behind the scenes is changing, and that’s not just done, feels Advani. As Modi takes the centre-stage, the internal working would change. Modi is unlikely to follow the great tradition of ‘collective leadership’.

Also, in spite of his fall from an undisputed position in the party and Sangh Parivar after the Jinnah controversy, Advani thinks that he has done enough in the party to send the message down that the ‘Hindu family tradition’ of respecting the elderly can’t be violated so brazenly by the new generation leaders with a ‘personal agenda’. Yashwant Sinha [ Images ]’s brief statement also highlighted this point.

Advani thinks that Modi has beaten him in the game of ‘propaganda’ with the help of the media, and the argument that the cadre wants Modi is ‘the grand conspiracy’ designed by the Modi camp and bought by the media.

Above all, Advani has created the scene to embarrass his own party because Modi and his team are marching ahead with an elaborate plan to carpet-bomb the Hindi belt with their political rallies, sabhas and media blitz, on a scale the country has never seen before. In a cheap aside, some leaders smirk, "Modi has got the votes and notes." Once Modi unveils his next plan to attack the United Progressive Alliance [ Images ], it will be too late for Advani to speak out.

In 2009, he missed the chance of a lifetime to become prime minister but circumstances today are much matured, much easier for the opposition parties to grab power.

Also, once Modi is declared as its PM candidate before the election, there is no way BJP can change track as per the National Democratic Alliance’s demands after the election. It will belittle the RSS more than Modi if he is asked to step aside by the BJP's secular allies.

So Advani had no option but to strike now to ensure that Modi is not announced as the prime ministerial candidate under any circumstances before the general election.

There are two reasons behind his timing, say insiders.

One, he wants to be considered as the party's prime ministerial candidate, considering that it was he who single-handedly raised the party's Lok Sabha from single digits in 1984 to a respectable figure.

And two, this is more important, he knows that once the UPA implements the Food Security Bill through the ordinance route, the government will have moved into election mode by which time Modi, too, as chief of the election campaign committee will have consolidated his place, emerging as the rival for the Congress. Advani's calculation is if he waits till then, he will have missed the bus altogether.

Hence his pre-emptive move at this point in time.

http://www.rediff.com/news/special/adva ... 130610.htm

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 08:01

Doesn't he deserves a show cause notice at least?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 08:05

Narendra Modi's 8-step action plan to woo India

This 8-step action plan is how the BJP plans to turn the tide in their favour, with NaMo leading the charge:

On 17 June, there will be a meeting in Delhi where the names of the other members of BJP's election management committee will be discussed. 6 state units of BJP have suggested names and slogans for this phase of Modi's campaign.
The title for the yatra will be decided during the meeting on 17 June.
Starting at the end of June, Narendra Modi will commence a blitzkrieg of rallies all across India. A close aide of Narendra Modi told Headlines Today that Narendra Modi is scheduled to address 75 rallies between end June and September.
The first phase of campaigning will end on September 25 with a massive rally in Bhopal on the same day, which is also the birth anniversary of Deen Dayal Uphadhyay.
With his brisk management style, BJP believes that Modi's appointment as chief of the election management committee is enough for him to start his nation wide campaign.
A rath yatra at this time has been ruled out since Team Modi believes that Modi will be able to criss cross the country more effectively and reach out to more people by conducting rallies all across India.
The main thrust of Modi's campaign will be in Uttar Pradesh which is considered key to determining BJP's fortunes in the next Lok Sabha elections.
Mega rallies will also be held in Bihar, Maharashtra and Hyderabad in the Telangana region.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nare ... 79397.html

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 11 Jun 2013 08:16

I do not say this to praise Advani or excuse what he has done over the last 10 years, the last six months, or the last three days. But let us never forget that before these 10 years came a life of service to the nation that perhaps no individual... and certainly no BRF poster... could ever hope to match

here we go - pedestal time again
Actually by not trying to hang to power selfishly (and god knows what deals with the devil he has made with his wild utterances ) the average BRF poster is better than Advani.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Jun 2013 08:27

Surya wrote:
I do not say this to praise Advani or excuse what he has done over the last 10 years, the last six months, or the last three days. But let us never forget that before these 10 years came a life of service to the nation that perhaps no individual... and certainly no BRF poster... could ever hope to match
here we go - pedestal time again
Actually by not trying to hang to power selfishly (and god knows what deals with the devil he has made with his wild utterances ) the average BRF poster is better than Advani.

It is a pedestal he has earned, by any stretch of the imagination, over six decades. He doesn't need BRF or anyone else to place him on it. That he seems to be doing his best to knock himself off it is unfortunate.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 11 Jun 2013 08:28

the Indic tendency to worship so much that past glory overshadows present gutter-dealings masks the danger of a compromised future.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Jun 2013 08:29

The crass spewing of invective disguised as analysis is, of course, what will come to the rescue.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 08:35

How about analyzing both past achievements and more recent mistakes? What makes us think that his mistakes in last 10 years are more damaging that his contributions in last 60 years (or vice-versa, depending on your opinion)?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Jun 2013 08:39

Good question, Abhishek ji. I would add, what if one is greater or lesser? They are both true. If we discard either one in favour of the other, the truth is a casualty... and that's what happens far too often in a discourse saturated by hyper-bloviated media commentary on the last 24 hours. Hopefully we can rise beyond the tendency to instant gut reaction (and concomitant loss of any sense of history) that the 24X7 chatterverse and social media twitterverse demand of us.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jun 2013 08:40

Udupi: Advani's decision rash, he should have blessed Modi - Pejawar Swamiji

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_dis ... _id=176361

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 08:42

It is easy to see how this debate will work out. People who are against Advani will claim that his contribution to RJB was not so great, others could have done what he did. Moreover, the damage caused by his Jinnah comments are huge and the damage tends to infinity. The pro-Advani group will offer a mirror-image of this argument.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Jun 2013 08:46

abhishek_sharma wrote:How about analyzing both past achievements and more recent mistakes? What makes us think that his mistakes in last 10 years are more damaging that his contributions in last 60 years (or vice-versa, depending on your opinion)?

If your ceiling fan which served you fantastically well for last 5 years suddenly starts making noise and seems to be falling apart, then what will you do?
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You dont take expired medicines, no matter how life saving they were.

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 11 Jun 2013 08:52

Is there any reaction from Teesta Setalvad and her comrade in arms regarding the neo Fuhrer???

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 11 Jun 2013 08:53

Advani Wanted To Be PM For At Least 6 Months

Sources say the senior leader had laid down three conditions before the party a day before he resigned from all posts; the BJP top brass rejected them all

IT is said that senior BJP leader LK Advani had drafted his resignation letter on Sunday itself, a day before he communicated his decision to the party and his supporters.

Before the high- profile drama that unfolded yesterday, sources say that Advani had forward three conditions before the party — one of them was that he be announced as the prime ministerial candidate of the party, and be allowed to hold the position for at least six months if the BJP- led NDA comes back to power. Sources say that Advani believes that he is the prime contender for the top job owing to his contribution to the party for several decades.

Advani was even ready to quit the post after six months if any other leader wished to come forward, sources said.
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http://greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id= ... 15&scat=16

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Jun 2013 08:54

abhijitm wrote:If your ceiling fan which served you fantastically well for last 5 years suddenly starts making noise and seems to be falling apart, then what will you do?

Bad analogy. Leaders cannot and should not be compared to lifeless artifacts. We expect more than mere mechanical power from them.

You dont take expired medicines, no matter how life saving they were.

An expired medicine cannot be changed to good medicine. But people make mistakes and fail a few times. It does not imply that they will remain "bad" forever. If you have not made a few mistakes, then maybe you have not been tested well enough.