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sanjayc wrote:It is amazing that Sikhs have so much contempt for Hindus but they don't mind thousands of Sikhs converting to Christianity. Sikhism is a dying faith. Outlook did a cover story on the same about 10 years back. New generation doesn't want to keep a turban. Also, there is an undercurrent of lumpenization and violence in the community, and bullying of Hindus. Church will be hugely successful in such a decaying society.
Medieval ideas of knighthood and Samurai warriors (an exclusive class of people who consider themselves above the common civilians) are probably not relevant in modern world. At the same time, the ideas are very much alive in India, and are even (to some extent, and in a modernized form) the backbone of a good part of the Army. It's a very tough problem to manage the transition away from medieval feudal setup to modern egalitarian vision.

If any civilization can pull it off, it is the Hindu civilization.
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“ᴏᴘᴘᴏsɪᴛɪᴏɴ ɪs ɴᴏᴛ ʜᴀᴘᴘʏ ᴡɪᴛʜ ᴇʟᴇᴄᴛᴏʀᴀʟ ʀᴇғᴏʀᴍs ᴀs ᴛʜᴇʏ ᴀʀᴇ ᴡᴏʀʀɪᴇᴅ ᴀʙᴏᴜᴛ ᴛʜᴇɪʀ ʙᴀɴɢʟᴀᴅᴇsʜɪ ᴠᴏᴛᴇʙᴀɴᴋ.”

The Election Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2021’ passed in Lok Sabha.

The Bill seeks to allow electoral registration officers to seek the Aadhaar number of people who want to register as voters “for the purpose of establishing the identity”.

House adjourned till tomorrow, 21st Dec. pic.twitter.com/QjGDjGhl4j


ANI (@ANI) December 20, 2021
Image There should be proper discussions on our election reforms. We had asked the Opposition to participate & voice their opinions in the discussion, but they created chaos: Union Law Minister Kiren Rijiju, on Election Laws (Amendment) Bill passed in Lok Sabha today via@ANI
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First regiment of S-400 missile system arrive in India, to be deployed in this region


First regiment of S-400 missile system arrive in India, to be deployed in this region

Krishna Mohan Mishra,
Dec 20, 2021,



The second regiment of S-400 is expected to reach India by June 2022 next year.



The first regiment of the S-400 missile system from Russia has arrived in India. In 2022, it is likely to be deployed in the northern region of the country, from where it can prevent any kind of air attack from Pakistan and China and protect the country.

The second regiment of S-400 is expected to reach India by June 2022 next year. India can then deploy its S-400 regiments for the security of Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.


Notably, the S-400 missile system is counted among the best air defence systems in the world. In many ways, the S-400 is better than America's missile defence system. Through this, missiles, fighter aircraft, rockets and even drone attacks can be defended against. Each regiment has 8 launchers. Each launcher has 4 missiles. That is, a regiment can fire 32 missiles at a time.

The command centre of this system tracks the attacking missile or aircraft from a distance of 600 km and then it is destroyed in the range of 2 km to 400 km. This system can track 80 targets at a time and can destroy them when they come in range. If needed, it can be loaded on the truck and carried forward and even then, it becomes ready for attack in just 10 to 15 minutes. If this system is deployed then it becomes ready for retaliation within 3 minutes of receiving the signal. The radar of this system cannot be jammed.

On October 5, 2018, India had signed a deal with Russia for five regiments of S-400 with Russia for $5.43 billion i.e. about Rs 39,000 crore. This type of air defence system is very much needed for India to deal with the air attacks from China and Pakistan. China not only has a large number of good fighter aircraft but also has a large stock of long-range ballistic missiles.

The US had expressed strong displeasure over this deal of Russia with India. America had also threatened to impose sanctions on India under the CAATSA Act. But India had made it clear that it would not accept any control over decisions on its defence needs.
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TWITTER

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Priyanka Gandhi says“Empowerment doesn't mean a gas cylinder or a toilet. It means self-reliance. Women should be able to decide their own priorities, make their own life & fight against all exploitation.”

Have LPG or toilets have made any difference to India’s women?

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In 2017 an FSG study funded by Shell Foundation revealed 80% of rural women use biomass fuel to cook. They spent almost 4.5 hours daily on cooking & related activities. Most of this time was spent on gathering & preparing biomass fuels which are highly inefficient to cook with.

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The study found that women using LPG for cooking spent 3 hours less than those who used biomass fuels. LPG users saved 1 hour of cooking time, 1.5 hours on gathering cooking fuels & 1/2 hour on cleaning less dirty utensils. Does 3 hours extra every day not enable self-reliance?

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In 2020 Sambodh Research in collaboration with Unicef & Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation conducted a study on the effects of gaining access to toilets for safety, convenience and self-respect of women in rural India.

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The study revealed that 93% of women were no longer afraid of being hurt by other people or animals while defecating. 93% of women also reported no longer being afraid of contracting health infections. Having access to toilets gave women a huge boost against exploitation.

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Women no longer had to travel to & from the open sites, saving both time & preventing anxiety of family at home. 91% of the women stated that they would travel up to 1 hour to before having access to a toilet, while 98% said that they would travel up to a kilometre.

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Building of toilets saved this time, 88% of women reported spending saved time on household chores, 11% on leisure, sleeping & eating and 1% were utilizing it for occupation- related work. Does this freeing up of time not lead to self-reliance or freeing up priorities?

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For women a big aspect of self reliance is hygiene, privacy & dignity in managing with menstruation. This was a huge stress for women. After owning a toilet, 77% of women reported feeling stress-free about menstruation as opposed to 27% when they did not own a toilet.

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Increased time, health, safety, convenience, privacy, hygiene & self-respect are key to gaining self reliance for women in India. LPG & Toilets introduced by the Indian govt. have empowered women of rural India with a huge boost & relief paving the way for their self-reliance.

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It is truly shameful that Priyanka Gandhi casually dismisses LPG & toilets as irrelevant to empowerment of women. Does she not want the women of rural India to have access to programs which free up their time to decide their priorities, make their lives & become self-reliant?

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The Case Of The Missing PM

Seems they are running out of issues on which they can corner Modi
On Monday, December 20, Congress MPs produced a telling placard in the Lok Sabha revealing how many days Modi has attended Parliament's winter session.
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Is that a question or statement with a question mark?
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KLNMurthy wrote:
Yagnasri wrote:I no longer subscribe to this idea that Akalis and others are some secular gang and do not support khalis. If anything Akalis are overground khalis now.
You are probably aware that as far back as early post-independence days, there was a strong streak of identitarianism and separatism among of Akalis (mods: I am not tagging all Sikhs, or even all Akalis, just reviewing some history). The Punjabi Suba movement explicitly divided Sikhs from Hindus, Punjabi language from Hindi. Though it may not have ever gone as far as openly demanding a separate country, the implied threat was there, and ended up with creation of separate Punjab and Haryana states.



(This is an old Congress Party / Nehru family game. If you look at the district-level politics of united Andhra Pradesh in the late 20th century, you will see the same pattern:
Master Tara Singh is quite open about it. The Punjab Suba and creation of Punjab state is to have Sikh majority state. Period. With Green Revolution and the wealth creation, with disproportion of employment in Indian Armed forces people got wealth and status.

People now think that they are some super race. GoI now do not even recruit from so called Marshal Race people. Even in Punjabi communities, Khatris are not considered as marshal enough to join army and routinely and openly called in demeaning terms by Sikhs.
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sanjaykumar wrote:To me it seems that these lynching victims of excited hyper religious Sikhs were mentally ill.
This brings up more questions. If they were mentally ill, who brought them to the places where they were murdered? A mentally ill person; does he go to a holy place like the Golden Temple with no one to guide him? Same goes with the person who was lynched at the farmer-terrorist gang camp at Singhu. Were the unfortunate people identified earlier, then lured to the spot and the goaded to do some mischeif? If yes, who were they last seen with?
chetak wrote:have the victims of the lynchings been identified yet.
these days, all it takes is a fingerprint scan run through the AADHAR database onlee.
It surprises me that the victims have not been identified yet. In fact this is a relatively easy step which is done as part of the police inquest (based on Sec. 174 Cr.PC). Attempts will be certainly made to identify the victim, and also to check who had seen him last alive. Body also gets inspected to check for any religious marks or activities like circumcision.

The relatives of the dead people have not come forward, by now they should have (unless the dead people are orphans/vagabonds). The main stream media is completely silent; and as Sherlock Holmes once said - "the curious incident of the dog in the night-time”: the fact that the dog did not bark at the time of the crime, indicating that the dog knew the culprit". Main stream media is NOT interested in giving undue publicity to this incident and are also not trying to bring out caste or religious identities of the dead people as they are very much part of the plan.

Also running finger prints against Aadhaar database to identify murder victims, or even for crime investigations is not legally permitted in India.
KLNMurthy wrote:This is an old Congress Party / Nehru family game.
I don't think Congress Party or Nehru-Ghandi clan came up with this original idea ;). Most likely bandit-ji got such ideas from the British and Mountbatten-garu who are past masters in splitting people to groups and make them fight each other.
At the same time, the ideas are very much alive in India, and are even (to some extent, and in a modernized form) the backbone of a good part of the Army
Army also have to have a long term plan to do away with caste/region based Infantry Regiments. My understanding is that IA top brass knows about the problems of these and at least all modern regiments are generally AIAC (All India All Class). It is high time we stopped eulogising any caste/clan as being warriors, farmers, local militia etc. After a point of time; and when we finally keep emotions aside none of these groups are doing any thing for charity (and they get paid).
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Liberal thoughts & Intellectual ideas takes a hit in the socialist heaven. Plea to remove PM's photo from vaccine certificate: Petitioner fined Rs 1 lakh. :lol:.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 410670.cms
Rajya Sabha passes electoral reforms Bill amid opposition walkout

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I remember lot of anti-Modi scums used to ask why we don't have Aadhar Link to Electoral roll. Now all morons hiding under the desk

Lot of Rohnigyas got Aadhar in Goa and TMC bringing them in droves to vote. Hope BJP/EC is cleaning it up
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It is impossible to clean up the aadhar rolls, in most cases the aadhar issued to illegals are real cards but were issued based on fraudulent proof of identity documents. There is no ways for the government to go back and look at the documents that were submitted at the time of application. Forget aadhar, many of these permanent-illegals have passports on which they travel abroad now.
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@ECISVEEP held a meeting with all the recognised National and State Political Parties at New Delhi on various electoral reforms

All parties on record wanted to link aadhar to voter ID including Congress

Copy of ECI presser dated 27th Aug 2018


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Ambar wrote:It is impossible to clean up the aadhar rolls, in most cases the aadhar issued to illegals are real cards but were issued based on fraudulent proof of identity documents. There is no ways for the government to go back and look at the documents that were submitted at the time of application. Forget aadhar, many of these permanent-illegals have passports on which they travel abroad now.
Yep, most illegals already have passports also, including Aadhar so its too far gone atm.
Decades of last mile corruption has put paid to any such good ideas. Only thing that is good with Aadhar is that it collects bio-metric data so govt knows who you are.
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https://twitter.com/MeenaPrabhakar1/sta ... 0644886528
meenakshi
@MeenaPrabhakar1
This is goa, most rohingyas settling started 3 yrs ago, aadhaar,voting card, they possess. Goans getting by ,tmc, . Tmc http://supporters.here.
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vijayk wrote:https://twitter.com/MeenaPrabhakar1/sta ... 0644886528
meenakshi
@MeenaPrabhakar1
This is goa, most rohingyas settling started 3 yrs ago, aadhaar,voting card, they possess. Goans getting by ,tmc, . Tmc http://supporters.here.
BJP is forming state Govt in Goa, BJP at center, despite this if TMC is able to bring rohingyas here, we'll who is to blame then.
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linking VoterID and Aadhar may not stop Beedis voting, but will stop duplicate voting.
people traveling inter-state and voting in >1 state.
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BJP or not - govt machinery is corrupt till the last peon. Nothing can be done by a political party. It is sad - but it is the reality.
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Forget about Rohingyas and Beedis, the latest trend of immigration is from African countries. In many metros neighborhoods have been taken over by immigrants from Ghana, Somalia, Nigeria etc. they run their fiefdoms with businesses ranging from drugs, prostitution, real estate to running saloons and restaurants. With the challenges that India has faced for over 7 decades we never thought immigration (legal or illegal) would ever be a problem, so the attitude both by the central government and our security agencies has been lax. But now it has breached the threshold where our national security is at stake , it is imperative to pass new immigration laws, create new visa categories and have a separate dept for immigration enforcement.

Here's an interesting story - few years back i was at a department store in UK, while i was at the counter picking up something the guy behind the counter asked me if i was from India in a heavy pakjabi accent. I said "yes", then he asks "where in India ?" and i say xyz state and he goes "oh thats great ! Where in that state? " , at this point i thought this guy is just wasting my time but i said "so and so city" thinking he had no clue where it was. To my absolute surprise he goes on naming various neighborhoods of my city and said he lived there for few years. Shocked i politely asked him where was he from and he goes "Originally ? From Faislabad Pakistan". I just wonder how many such people live freely in our country.
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I have had the same experience with a cabbie in London … although being from a big city I thought anyone might know these places… then he said he lived in an area which I know is AoA area with quite a few shanties… I was like may be in the last century it was easy to get a visa for a Baki…
Having said that lots of AoA people have across the border relatives …
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Sachin wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:To me it seems that these lynching victims of excited hyper religious Sikhs were mentally ill.
This brings up more questions. If they were mentally ill, who brought them to the places where they were murdered? A mentally ill person; does he go to a holy place like the Golden Temple with no one to guide him? Same goes with the person who was lynched at the farmer-terrorist gang camp at Singhu. Were the unfortunate people identified earlier, then lured to the spot and the goaded to do some mischeif? If yes, who were they last seen with?
chetak wrote:have the victims of the lynchings been identified yet.
these days, all it takes is a fingerprint scan run through the AADHAR database onlee.
It surprises me that the victims have not been identified yet. In fact this is a relatively easy step which is done as part of the police inquest (based on Sec. 174 Cr.PC). Attempts will be certainly made to identify the victim, and also to check who had seen him last alive. Body also gets inspected to check for any religious marks or activities like circumcision.

The relatives of the dead people have not come forward, by now they should have (unless the dead people are orphans/vagabonds). The main stream media is completely silent; and as Sherlock Holmes once said - "the curious incident of the dog in the night-time”: the fact that the dog did not bark at the time of the crime, indicating that the dog knew the culprit". Main stream media is NOT interested in giving undue publicity to this incident and are also not trying to bring out caste or religious identities of the dead people as they are very much part of the plan.

Also running finger prints against Aadhaar database to identify murder victims, or even for crime investigations is not legally permitted in India.
KLNMurthy wrote:This is an old Congress Party / Nehru family game.
I don't think Congress Party or Nehru-Ghandi clan came up with this original idea ;). Most likely bandit-ji got such ideas from the British and Mountbatten-garu who are past masters in splitting people to groups and make them fight each other.
Sachin Saar and KLNMurthy garu,
I will add something to this mentally ill persons desecrating religious places/symbols. After 2019 election when YSRCP and Jagan mohan reddy became the CM in Andhra Pradesh, there were increase in attacks on hindu Temples and burning breaking of idols at a very alarming rate.
Every one of the case was blamed on mentally ill/unstable people who apparently attacked the places of worship. It seemed that all mentally ill people came out after 2019 elections.

Somehow they seemed to be attacking only Hindu places of worship and not any churches or mosque. The TDP blamed YSRCP (insinuating this was ROLers work) while YSRCP blamed it on the opposition conspiracy (the general idea was why will we do this when we have power in our hands and create resentment and law and order issue).

It took a meeting of swamiji's and peethadipatis to warn of consequences (especially after the ramathirtam incident) and the issue seems to have died out or atleast we don't seem to hear much anymore.

In TN there was a full blown conspiracy theories abounding that all dravidians came from a separate continent called "Kumari Kandam" some thousands of years ago and are a separate identity/race. I think there was a tamil film that got released on something similar two years ago. now that DMK is back we don't seem to hear much of these anymore.

Something to ponder about when seeing similar situations in poll bound Punjab. trying to whip Sikh passions. the Sikhs seemed to take the matter into their own hands while hindus seem to let law and order take care of issues when looking at Andra and Punjab issues.
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isubodh wrote:
BJP is forming state Govt in Goa, BJP at center, despite this if TMC is able to bring rohingyas here, we'll who is to blame then.
We cannot stop people from traveling within India from one state to another. it would be great if the people caught were proved to be illegals and then the framing of cases. but i believe the rohingyas tend to get all the documentation done in Bengal itslef and then pushed to different states as migrant labor or as settlers from Bengal. We had an article posted in BRF how the modus operandi works where they go back to Bengal during local elections to vote for secular gangs or their handlers cut their ids out and have them deported to send a message to the rest.

The issue would be to catch the illegals without looking like targeting a particular community or state where again local politicians will whip up frenzy. We can't recognize the illegals from their faces, but every now and then a case of criminal impropriety comes up and cases often go back to some one in Bengal and then it ultimately reaches the local big wigs there. Cases get file and persons arrested but seems like the modus operandi just seems to rebrand itself and have a different party favoring it (previously communits or congress now Tmc's).
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https://www.firstpost.com/politics/form ... 26471.html
Former Punjab cabinet minister Rana Gurmit Singh Sodhi quits Congress, joins BJP
Sodhi, an MLA for the last four terms and who is considered close to former Punjab chief minister Amarinder Singh, announced his resignation from the Congress on Twitter and posted the letter sent to party president Sonia Gandhi.

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BJP rout likely in Punjab, AAP net winner can form govt with either congress or SAD.

https://twitter.com/NavroopSingh_/statu ... 91655?s=20
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IndraD wrote: BJP rout likely in Punjab, AAP net winner can form govt with either congress or SAD.
https://twitter.com/NavroopSingh_/statu ... 91655?s=20
Hindus, blind as always, will not vote for BJP but for Congress, their sworn enemy. Must be some kind of sadistic death wish, or inferiority complex.
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sanjayc wrote:
IndraD wrote: BJP rout likely in Punjab, AAP net winner can form govt with either congress or SAD.
https://twitter.com/NavroopSingh_/statu ... 91655?s=20
Hindus, blind as always, will not vote for BJP but for Congress, their sworn enemy. Must be some kind of sadistic death wish, or inferiority complex.
This must be before Amrinder Singh's party and alliance with BJP. AAP gets the highest points for employment. :roll: :roll:
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Employment in Punjab means agriculture, and AAP opposed the deregulation of agriculture recently. So makes sense that they would be rated higher.
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sanjayc wrote:
IndraD wrote: BJP rout likely in Punjab, AAP net winner can form govt with either congress or SAD.
https://twitter.com/NavroopSingh_/statu ... 91655?s=20
Hindus, blind as always, will not vote for BJP but for Congress, their sworn enemy. Must be some kind of sadistic death wish, or inferiority complex.
What about Sikhs then?
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Right. Its mind-boggling that Sikhs would vote for Congress, a party which not only carried out a systematic pogrom against them in 1984 and was not only shamelessly unapologetic about but it also awarded the culprits responsible for the killings with party/ministerial berths. They had also bungled in handling and making policies which ultimately resulted in the destruction of Akal Takht.
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Kolkata Muncipal poll results and BJP's decimation (a distant third behind TMC and CPI) shows Suvendu adhikari has his work cut out if he wants to make BJP a force to reckon with in WB. At this point going by the defections and BJP's rout in bypolls and municipal polls i am not even sure if Suvendu will stay with BJP for long or will do a gharwapsi following the steps of Mukul Roy and Tanmay Ghosh.

As for PJ, BJP was never in contention so the opinion polls are hardly surprising. PJ is once again very delicately positioned, all the troublemakers from UK to US to Canada to Pakistan are once again coordinating multi-prong attack through PR, lobbying, fundraising, pushing drugs/weapons and fanning religious fanaticism with the aim of restarting the khalistani movement. At this juncture a party known to openly sympathize with BIF like AAP would be terrible for Punjab as well to the security of our nation. As bad as Capt Amrinder Singh was and the role he played in fanning flames during the early days of agro-terrorists violence against the farm acts, he is a veteran politician who knows not to push anything so far that there's no return. Whereas having Sidhu or Bhagwant Mann like characters as CM is as good as having Bhindranwale or Shahbeg Singh lead the state. Hope Capt Amrinder and the center can come up with a plan to atleast ensure a win for the Channi faction of INC to keep AAP and Sidhu away.
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Ambar wrote:Kolkata Muncipal poll results and BJP's decimation (a distant third behind TMC and CPI) shows Suvendu adhikari has his work cut out if he wants to make BJP a force to reckon with in WB. At this point going by the defections and BJP's rout in bypolls and municipal polls i am not even sure if Suvendu will stay with BJP for long or will do a gharwapsi following the steps of Mukul Roy and Tanmay Ghosh.

As for PJ, BJP was never in contention so the opinion polls are hardly surprising. PJ is once again very delicately positioned, all the troublemakers from UK to US to Canada to Pakistan are once again coordinating multi-prong attack through PR, lobbying, fundraising, pushing drugs/weapons and fanning religious fanaticism with the aim of restarting the khalistani movement. At this juncture a party known to openly sympathize with BIF like AAP would be terrible for Punjab as well to the security of our nation. As bad as Capt Amrinder Singh was and the role he played in fanning flames during the early days of agro-terrorists violence against the farm acts, he is a veteran politician who knows not to push anything so far that there's no return. Whereas having Sidhu or Bhagwant Mann like characters as CM is as good as having Bhindranwale or Shahbeg Singh lead the state. Hope Capt Amrinder and the center can come up with a plan to atleast ensure a win for the Channi faction of INC to keep AAP and Sidhu away.
Center (BJP) tried this last time, moved H votes to INC but it ended up an accident in slow motion. Channi faction is installed by INC high command to keep waters muddy. BJP going into coalition with Captain and voitng for Channi would be a repeat of 2017 minus Captain add Crypto christian Channi.

This might need a more creative solution like do an Un-Indira Gandhi on Punjab i.e make it part of Himachal/JK/Rajasthan/Haryana. Time and again it's proved if a supposedly minority reaches a critical mass in any state or governing body, it goes to dogs.
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kosminari wrote:
Ambar wrote:Kolkata Muncipal poll results and BJP's decimation (a distant third behind TMC and CPI) shows Suvendu adhikari has his work cut out if he wants to make BJP a force to reckon with in WB. At this point going by the defections and BJP's rout in bypolls and municipal polls i am not even sure if Suvendu will stay with BJP for long or will do a gharwapsi following the steps of Mukul Roy and Tanmay Ghosh.

As for PJ, BJP was never in contention so the opinion polls are hardly surprising. PJ is once again very delicately positioned, all the troublemakers from UK to US to Canada to Pakistan are once again coordinating multi-prong attack through PR, lobbying, fundraising, pushing drugs/weapons and fanning religious fanaticism with the aim of restarting the khalistani movement. At this juncture a party known to openly sympathize with BIF like AAP would be terrible for Punjab as well to the security of our nation. As bad as Capt Amrinder Singh was and the role he played in fanning flames during the early days of agro-terrorists violence against the farm acts, he is a veteran politician who knows not to push anything so far that there's no return. Whereas having Sidhu or Bhagwant Mann like characters as CM is as good as having Bhindranwale or Shahbeg Singh lead the state. Hope Capt Amrinder and the center can come up with a plan to atleast ensure a win for the Channi faction of INC to keep AAP and Sidhu away.
Center (BJP) tried this last time, moved H votes to INC but it ended up an accident in slow motion. Channi faction is installed by INC high command to keep waters muddy. BJP going into coalition with Captain and voitng for Channi would be a repeat of 2017 minus Captain add Crypto christian Channi.

This might need a more creative solution like do an Un-Indira Gandhi on Punjab i.e make it part of Himachal/JK/Rajasthan/Haryana. Time and again it's proved if a supposedly minority reaches a critical mass in any state or governing body, it goes to dogs.

Out of the question. If there is any talk of either splitting PJ or merging it with another state then rest assured all hell will break lose. Such has been the propaganda against BJP (the irony considering the history between sikhs and INC! ) that it can never have a future in the state unless it can make 35% of the hindus, dalit sikhs and christians vote for it. For this BJP needs to attract vote getters and not repeat what it did in Bengal by taking in anyone who failed to get a ticket from TMC or fell out of CPI. Unfortunately AAP seems to have understood this 5 yrs ago and worked towards becoming a opposition to INC in PJ and taking over the space left by SAD . We are in for some interesting times ahead but the options in front of BJP leadership near term are clear - either let AAP or Sidhu faction of INC come to power and there by creating yet another serious internal security situation or support Channi and live to fight for another day. Capt 10 yrs ago may have been capable of putting a serious dent on congress vote bank but pushing 80 and without any political infrastructure (BJP has none in PJ) he is of little use as a ally to BJP.
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Ambar wrote:
kosminari wrote:
Center (BJP) tried this last time, moved H votes to INC but it ended up an accident in slow motion. Channi faction is installed by INC high command to keep waters muddy. BJP going into coalition with Captain and voitng for Channi would be a repeat of 2017 minus Captain add Crypto christian Channi.

This might need a more creative solution like do an Un-Indira Gandhi on Punjab i.e make it part of Himachal/JK/Rajasthan/Haryana. Time and again it's proved if a supposedly minority reaches a critical mass in any state or governing body, it goes to dogs.

Out of the question. If there is any talk of either splitting PJ or merging it with another state then rest assured all hell will break lose. Such has been the propaganda against BJP (the irony considering the history between sikhs and INC! ) that it can never have a future in the state unless it can make 35% of the hindus, dalit sikhs and christians vote for it. For this BJP needs to attract vote getters and not repeat what it did in Bengal by taking in anyone who failed to get a ticket from TMC or fell out of CPI. Unfortunately AAP seems to have understood this 5 yrs ago and worked towards becoming a opposition to INC in PJ and taking over the space left by SAD . We are in for some interesting times ahead but the options in front of BJP leadership near term are clear - either let AAP or Sidhu faction of INC come to power and there by creating yet another serious internal security situation or support Channi and live to fight for another day. Capt 10 yrs ago may have been capable of putting a serious dent on congress vote bank but pushing 80 and without any political infrastructure (BJP has none in PJ) he is of little use as a ally to BJP.

For now sure out of question, but who thought 370 would be repealed and hell would not break loose. PB has already been split couple of times. Though always in favor of Skhs but nothing unheard of. I have my myself heard to some official spokespersons of Akali Dal in clubhouse rooms bragging about how they deliberately stopped work issues brought up by Hindu Party (read BJP) while being in power. Hindu hatred is deeper than what we see. We can say it isn't there and be hunky Dory but it's not a electoral politics problem, Infact electoral politics amplifies the problem, See no political party including BJP condemned the lynchings followed after so called Beadabi.

Where will Punjabi Hindus stand after these incidents ?
Anyone can kill a Hindu accusing Blasphemy and Government as well as Opposition will not utter a word.

Some problems need KPS Gill and not Jagmohan. PB is one of those, PBs understand language of brute force any appeasement is taken as sign of weakness.
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isubodh wrote:BJP is forming state Govt in Goa, BJP at center, despite this if TMC is able to bring rohingyas here, we'll who is to blame then.
venkat_kv wrote:but i believe the rohingyas tend to get all the documentation done in Bengal itslef and then pushed to different states as migrant labor or as settlers from Bengal.
There is active connivance of West Bengal government and the W.B police in allowing Rohingyas or any Bangladeshi to gain access to India. GoWB and W.B police just do not seem to be bothered about national security. State police from southern states often identify these illegals (or Bengali residents) doing criminal activities in that state and then making a get away to W.B. Police teams who go in search of them get nothing but hostile treatment at W.B (from that state's police itself). Many a times, the police from Kerala etc work over time to get these criminals arrested some where in T.N or A.P before their train reaches W.B territory.

Though W.B gives the initial support, it is also a fact that once these folks come in there are agents who help them get more powerful Indian IDs like passports. And that is only done based on religious affinity. Two years back one Bangladeshi a week with a Bangalore based passport landing up after deportation from Middle East Sheikdoms was quite common.
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^^ This fake ID stuff is such a serious issue, I am wondering why BJP is not making laws more stringent against any Indian in business of providing fake ID proofs. Minimum 10 year jail term is needed for such characters (most are Muslims). Since nationality is central govt. responsibility, CBI should be made responsible for enforcing this law (like FBI in US). That will put the fear of God in state governments like WB allowing illegals in. Arrest some TMC leaders and put them in jail.
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sanjayc wrote:^^ This fake ID stuff is such a serious issue, I am wondering why BJP is not making laws more stringent against any Indian in business of providing fake ID proofs. Minimum 10 year jail term is needed for such characters (most are Muslims). Since nationality is central govt. responsibility, CBI should be made responsible for enforcing this law (like FBI in US). That will put the fear of God in state governments like WB allowing illegals in. Arrest some TMC leaders and put them in jail.

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Swarajya and its eternal confusion as to what BJP should do ! Just months ago after the assembly polls debacle and ensuing violence Swarajya wrote articles on how BJP need more leaders from the state who understand Bengal and not make the same mistake again of helicoptering leaders like Kailash Vijavargiya or Tejaswi Surya from out of state. Now after the bypolls and municipal polls it is how BJP needs to appoint fresh central prabharis to save BJP in WB :rotfl:
The humiliation that the BJP in Bengal has heaped onto itself, as was evident from its performance at the just-concluded polls to Kolkata Municipal Corporation (KMC), is hardly surprising.

BJP won just three of the 144 seats in the KMC, and its candidates lost their deposits in 116 seats. What is more, the Left has taken the runner-up position (in terms of vote share) and relegated the BJP to third.

While Left Front (LF) candidates came second in 65 wards, BJP candidates came second in only 48 wards while the Congress, which barely retains any presence in Bengal, came second in 16 wards.

In terms of vote share, the Left Front bagged 11.13 per cent of the votes cast while the BJP could get only 8.94 per cent and the Congress got 4.47 per cent. The Trinamool’s vote share was 71.95 per cent, an increase of 22 per cent as compared to its performance in the 2015 KMC polls when it won in 114 wards (it won 134 this time).

The BJP had won seven seats in the 2015 KMC polls and its vote share was a little over 16 per cent that time. While the BJP’s vote share fell, the LF seems to have succeeded in preventing an erosion of its support base; its vote share fell marginally by less than two percent as compared to its 2015 performance.

The sharp decline of popular support for the BJP can be fathomed if the party’s performance in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls and even the Assembly elections held earlier this year is considered.

The BJP got a good lead in as many as 50 wards (of the KMC’s 144 wards) in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls while the Trinamool got a lead in 90 wards and the LF and Congress in three each.

If the BJP were to even repeat that performance now, it would have won in more than one-third of the 144 seats. But the saffron party’s performance in Kolkata (areas under the KMC’s jurisdiction) decreased substantially in the Assembly elections held earlier this year, thus providing an indication of the tragedy that lay ahead for it.

The BJP got a lead in only ten wards in Kolkata while the Trinamool got a lead in 133 wards. The Congress got a lead in only one ward.

Seven months down the line, the BJP’s political space in the city has shrunk to a mere three wards. A ward-wide analysis of the results reveals that a majority of the votes bagged by the BJP in the 2021 Assembly elections have now gone to the Trinamool.

The BJP has accused the Trinamool of rigging the polls. There have, admittedly, been incidents of BJP candidates and polling agents being assaulted, polling booths being ‘captured’ by Trinamool goons to cast false votes, bombs being hurled and voters being intimidated.

But going by Bengal’s notorious legacy of poll violence and rigging by the ruling party, the KMC election this time has been a largely placid affair.

There are few takers for the BJP’s allegations of ‘widespread rigging’ and it would be self-defeating for the party to hide behind this fig leaf to explain its performance.

While it remains a fact that the BJP has never been strong in southern Bengal, especially Kolkata, the party’s encouraging performance in the 2019 Lok Sabha polls where it got leads in more than one-third of the KMC’s 144 wards cannot be overlooked.

There were enough indications that the BJP would fare poorly. In most of the wards, the party’s organisational base has ceased to exist. BJP candidates could not get more than a handful of party workers to canvass for them in the run up to the civic polls.

Party workers were also angry over tickets being given to defectors from other parties--a factor that cost the BJP very dearly in the Assembly polls earlier this year and from which the state party leadership seems to have learnt no lessons.

The poor choice of candidates in many wards kept BJP workers and supporters from working for these candidates and even voting against the BJP.

More than half of the names in the BJP’s list of ‘star campaigners’ failed to turn up and the party’s poll campaign was lacklustre.

It is no surprise that the BJP has barely any organisation worth the name in Kolkata. The violence unleashed on BJP workers and supporters after the Assembly elections seven months ago led most of these embattled BJP workers and supporters to disassociate themselves from the party.

But what caused a major erosion in the BJP’s organisational strength was the refusal, or inability, of state party leaders to stand by the besieged workers. The silence of the party’s central leadership to even condemn the post-poll violence and hold the Trinamool to account led to long-time party workers and supporters turning against the BJP.

The common refrain among BJP workers and supporters in Kolkata, and other parts of the state as well, is that a party that does not stand by its workers does not deserve the support of the workers.

Added to this are the strong rumours of the BJP’s central leadership having entered into some kind of a ‘deal’ with Mamata Banerjee to decimate the Congress in other states, most notably Goa where the Trinamool is trying to make its presence felt in a major way.

The inaction of the BJP leadership--both state and central--in standing in solidarity with embattled party workers after the Assembly polls, the rumours about an ‘understanding’ between BJP leaders and Mamata Banerjee, poor and flawed choice of candidates for the KMC elections and the general disinterest displayed by the state party leadership has led to a calamitous decline in the BJP’s support base not only in Kolkata, but across most other parts of the state.

This erosion of its support base will only continue if the party central leadership does not intervene and set matters right immediately. If the drift is allowed to continue, there is no way that the BJP will win more than just two or three seats in the 2024 Lok Sabha polls in Bengal.

The BJP central leadership needs to immediately disband the state unit of the party and appoint a fresh set of central prabharis who will thoroughly overhaul the party in the state.

A huge number of workers and supporters have drifted away from the BJP because of the uninspiring state leadership who limit themselves to issuing statements to the media. The party needs to enthuse its workers at the grassroots and inspire them to take on the Trinamool very aggressively.

For that to happen, the party’s central leadership has to convince workers and supporters that it will not only stand by them in their hour of need, but also put Mamata Banerjee on the dock if attack on BJP workers continue.

The Prime Minister and the Home Minister have to send an unequivocal message to BJP workers in Bengal that they will not tolerate a single attack on party workers and will take strong action against Mamata Banerjee if that happens. They have to make it amply clear that political violence is unacceptable and Mamata Banerjee will have to pay a heavy price for it.

Simultaneously, in order to dispel the rumours about an ‘understanding’ with Mamata Banerjee, the BJP has to up the ante against her and display its strong resolve not to concede an inch of political space to the Trinamool in Goa or the rest of the country. The BJP should get aggressive against the Trinamool in Goa just as it had done in Tripura.

The need for cleansing the Bengal unit of the BJP is urgent. In the eyes of the party workers, many state leaders have ‘compromised’ themselves and thus do not command any respect. These leaders should be removed immediately and people who have fire in their belly and the resolve to fight the Trinamool should be given a free hand.

If the BJP central leadership does not act now, it will come to regret the inevitable repeat of the party’s latest poll performance (in Kolkata) across the state a little over two years from now.
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