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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 May 2012 12:47

arun wrote:The support of the Government of Italy for cold blooded murderers displays a contempt for Indian lives:

Italy Summons Indian Ambassador Over Marine Issues

Meanwhile the editorial in First Post is good advice for the Congress Party led Government of Dr. Manmohan Singh who have been far too diffident in dealing with Italy, a diffidence perhaps induced by a sycophantic political culture duly genuflecting to the fact that Congress Party supremo Sonia Gandhi is of Italian ancestry:

Italy must be told to stop meddling in Kerala murder case

WHY?

The paid the blood money as advised by their good vatican brothers and are certainly entitled to get their moneys worth, no??

The have diligently followed all established procedures to deal with illiterate natives and now the said illiterate natives are reneging on the deal? How dare they?

How are rich, well mannered and civilized first world cultures expected to deal with this except by becoming katti and withdrawing their ambassador? This is the only civilized way.

Time to send in the son of ottavio ouattrocchi, this lot knows how to dazzle the natives and have their way with them.

Is there no justice in the world?

p s
the problem is that the poor saps are italian, had they been any other nationality they would have been home and free by now.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 20 May 2012 13:14

the agreement was illegal and constituted a “direct challenge to the Indian legal process"

Anything that challenges legal processes must be stopped and made to not interfere.

This is not Italy and Italians better stop pushing their own lifestyles everywhere.

Silvio Berlusconi, Former Italy Prime Minister, Paid Mafia For Protection, Says Italy Court
What is it that the good people can't do in Italy, but can do in India?

Indictment Links Italy's Ex-Leader to Mafia Bosses

Prosecutors say Andreotti and gang bosses developed a comfortable system of mutual aid: The Mafia guaranteed electoral support in Sicily for Andreotti's Christian Democrats. In exchange, prosecutors say Andreotti promised to use his influence to "adjust" appeals court rulings involving Mafia leaders.

For the first world image in India, Italy is still majorly Mafia culture and moral keepers are usually, or unusually, silent within Italy. What do moral keepers tend to achieve here but not within Europe?

What about the Christian democratic party in Italy? How far it is involved with religious people? The name itself means it is communal.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 21 May 2012 16:30

The K.P has filed the charge sheet within 93 days of the crime. Generally after 90 days if a charge sheet is not submitted the accused would automatically get bail. Italian government wanted the two marines to be transferred to a Borstal school in Kochi, but this too was put on hold. They remain at Central Prison, Poojappura.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 22 May 2012 02:20

Trying to piece together some random thoughts. The 26/11 attacks, orchestrated by Headley et al, was presaged by an attack on an Indian vessel in the EEZ; the shootings by the Italian Marines upon the fishermen occurred in the contiguous zone, thus the idea of granting immunity to anyone behaving in an hostile manner beyond the 12 mile limit is dangerous.

By raising the red-herring of piracy along the coastline of India, the Italians and their proxies have increased the insurance premiums required by operators traversing this area. Any outcome must declare that this coastline is safe from piracy.

Any trial represents the first time that NATO troops have faced a judicial process that does not grant them the immunity they have enjoyed thus far in Iraq and Af-Pak. The concern remains that something spectacular may be attempted to spring the Marines from custody such as a jailbreak, covert missions or conspiracy to pervert the course of justice which is a crime in itself.

Finally downgrading relations with Italy and the Vatican should be considered as they both act in unison and it is for either of these parties to decide what they represent, as the Vatican owes its sovereign status to Mussolini.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 May 2012 02:42

Even in early colonial period the bogey of piracy allowed the Europeans to bring their armed ships into the Arabia Sea and eventually control all the sea traffic. Along with armed ships comes the arrogance of the Aryans oops Europeans. The Italians showed their arrogance by firing at Indian fishermen and killing them. After that they sought immunity for their criminal actions. Just like Mughal courts India allowed them to pay ransom/compensation to buyoff the witnesses.

India should empower the IN to seek and destroy the pirates without fear of religious votebanks inside India. We are seeing a replay.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 22 May 2012 02:44

Gosain ji, firstly the Italians were not representing NATO. They were defending an Italian flag ship on the high seas against rag tag pirates Indian Ocean region.

Secondly the territorial waters are till 12 Nm. The Contiguous zone is 12-24 Nm from shore. The EEX extends a couple of hundred. All vessels transiting these areas have a right to Innocent passage. This innocent passage right, does not extend to shooting people and murdering them on these zones in an Indian flag vessel. The murders were committed in Indians contiguous zone, on an Indian flag ship (Indian territory). So under all legal circumstances, i don't see how India can release these men. The right to innocent passage ceased when the Italians shot and killed men on Indian soil.

Italy by trying to subvert the course of justice is doing more damage to relations between India and Italy than the acts of the Marines and the Indian courts. Italy must realize this.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 May 2012 02:57

harbans wrote:

Italy by trying to subvert the course of justice is doing more damage to relations between India and Italy than the acts of the Marines and the Indian courts. Italy must realize this.

This looks more like the Vatican trying to test the Indian catholics faith and know the current status of the xtianity.

They are working on loyalty to the Pope and all the international xtian movement with such incidents.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 22 May 2012 13:10

Harbans: totally concur with your view regarding innocent passage. I should have said that this is the first time personnel from a NATO country will face trial in a different jurisdiction.

Ramana: thanks for mentioning the role of Mughal courts in reducing India's maritime horizon. There are some in the present GOI who seem willing to play this role today.
Thanks again for the clarification

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 22 May 2012 13:50

No Agreement at G8 summit

http://www.just-international.org/index ... Itemid=123

An editorial in the British newspaper the Independent called it the most important G8 summit for three decades, as the deepening financial crisis in Europe threatened the entire global economy. The communiqué issued after a day of talks at the US presidential retreat at Camp David, however, revealed there was no plan to meet the crisis, just a decision to put the best face on a worsening situation.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 22 May 2012 20:18

http://thenewinternationallaw.wordpress ... -vs-italy/

Interesting legal precis on the question of maritime jurisdiction as applied to the present situation. Also what we are seeing here is a clash between the common law system of India and the civil law as practised on the European continent. This seems galling to some in Italy that India is using colonial period laws from 1849 to prosecute its Marines.

Appreciate all the feedback so far

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 May 2012 23:40

rgosain wrote:http://thenewinternationallaw.wordpress ... -vs-italy/

Interesting legal precis on the question of maritime jurisdiction as applied to the present situation. Also what we are seeing here is a clash between the common law system of India and the civil law as practised on the European continent. This seems galling to some in Italy that India is using colonial period laws from 1849 to prosecute its Marines.

Appreciate all the feedback so far

another armed merchant vessel?? Conjoured out of the thinnest clergical air?

A wonderful effort at obsfuscation and diversion using strawmen and wild imagination.

Worthy of some kangress spokes persons who shall remain unnamed but are justly famous(?) for this very peculiar talent.

arun · Post by **arun** » 31 May 2012 08:36

One hopes that our Government has obtained written assurances from the Italian Government that no travel document will be made available to these Italian soildiers and that in the event they do manage to flee to Italy or anywhere else in the EU, the Italian Government stands guarantee of returning them to India’s custody as Italian Government action hitherto has smacked of unsavoury support for murderers:

Italian marines get bail after Rs 1 crore surety

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 31 May 2012 09:18

arun wrote:One hopes that our Government has obtained written assurances from the Italian Government that no travel document .....

Bail conditions:-
1. 1 crore surety deposit by the two marines.
2. 2 Indian citizens to stand as surety as well. The identity of the Indians needs to be verified and confirmed.
3. Daily reporting at Police commissioner's office at Kochi city.
4. Need to stay within 10 km radius of the Police Commissionarate.
5. Their VISAs are about to expire, Indian Govt. would extend their VISAs in quick time.

Fat chance they would be going back any time soon.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Jun 2012 21:12

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... gures.html

Ex-head of Vatican bank has archive on senior Italian and Church figures
Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, the former head of the Holy See’s bank compiled a secret dossier of compromising information about the Vatican because he feared for his life, it was claimed.

Xcpt:

By Nick Squires, Rome

3:00PM BST 07 Jun 2012

In the latest twist in a scandal which has convulsed the papacy of Benedict XVI, Mr Tedeschi reportedly gave copies of the documents to his closest confidantes and told them: “If I am killed, the reason for my death is in here. I’ve seen things in the Vatican that would frighten anyone.”

One of the documents was reportedly titled “internal enemies” and contained the names of senior clergy and powerful Italian politicians.

Other emails and letters related to “money of dubious provenance” being allegedly funnelled through the Vatican bank, according to Corriere della Sera.

Appointed in 2009, the 67-year-old banker was sacked as head of the Vatican’s bank on May 24 – the day after the Pope’s butler was arrested on suspicion of stealing confidential letters from Benedict’s desk and leaking them to journalists.

Mr Gotti Tedeschi was allegedly ousted by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who as the Vatican secretary of state is the Pope’s deputy, in a dispute over efforts to improve the transparency of the scandal-ridden bank, known formally as the Institute for Religious Works.
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Mr Gotti Tedeschi appeared to have compiled the dossier as a means of him defending himself against charges of incompetency, mismanagement and possible money laundering.

The reforms were intended to clean up the Vatican’s finances so that it could be included on the OECD's “white list” of countries least at risk from money laundering and other financial irregularities.

Earlier this year the city state was listed as a “jurisdiction of concern” for money laundering in the US State Department’s annual International Narcotics Control Strategy report.

Mr Gotti Tedeschi was so fearful for his safety that he hired bodyguards and sought advice from a private investigation agency, the Italian media reported.

The sensational claims evoked memories of one of the Vatican’s darkest chapters – the mysterious death in 1982 of Roberto Calvi, nicknamed “God’s Banker”, who was president of Italy’s largest private bank, the Banco Ambrosiano.

After the bank, which had close links with the Vatican, went bankrupt, Calvi was found hanged from scaffolding beneath Blackfriars Bridge in London, amid suspicions that he had been murdered by mafia godfathers as punishment for losing money they had invested in the bank.

“Gotti Tedeschi was nicknamed ‘the Pope’s banker’ and he feared meeting the same end as ‘God’s banker,’” said Il Fatto Quotidiano, a daily newspaper with a reputation for investigative reporting.

The secret dossier allegedly compiled by Mr Gotti Tedeschi was discovered by Carabinieri police after they raided his home and office in Milan and Piacenza, both in northern Italy, on Tuesday.

He was questioned by prosecutors for up to nine hours on Tuesday and Wednesday, during which he reportedly told them: “I’m afraid for my life”.

The raid was part of a separate investigation involving allegations of bribery at Finmeccanica, an Italian defence company that has extensive interests and thousands of employees in the UK.

PS:...and has been an old defence contractor for the IN.

More details of the sensational Vatican scandal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... tress.html

Vatican leaks: Why is the Pope's butler in a cell beneath the fortress?
The murky saga of the leaked Vatican documents has damaged the worldwide image of the Catholic Church, just as it was trying to recover from the paedophile priest scandals, writes Nick Squires.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2012 01:26

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/frenc ... 120616.htm
French diplomat's wife writes to home minister, MEA

The wife of the French diplomat, who has been accused of raping his three-and-a half year-old daughter, has appealed to the government to ensure that the official faces trial in India [ Images ] even if he enjoys diplomatic immunity. In a letter to Home Minister P Chidambaram [ Images ] and External Affairs Minister S M Krishna [ Images ], Suja Jones Mazurier has requested that her husband, Pascal Mazurier, be restrained from leaving the country till legal proceedings were completed and that under no circumstance should he be allowed custody of their children, who are French nationals.
Asha S Basu, counsel for Suja Jones Mazurier, who has written the letters on her behalf, sought protection for her client and her children.Suja Jones also wanted the French Embassy to be directed to help her with legal and financial assistance, as she was currently unemployed and has to take care of their children.
Suja Jones, an Indian citizen, said she is married to Pascal Mazurier, Deputy Head of Chancery in the Consulate of France [ Images ], Bangalore and have three children- a seven year-old son, the victim and a 20-month-old son.She said apart from High Grounds police station here registering a case of rape against the diplomat, in view of the "medical evidence", the Baptist hospital, Bengaluru [ Images ] has also registered a medico-legal case against him.Suja Jones said she has already written to the Ambassador of France intimating the details of alleged domestic violence and repeated child abuse.Meanwhile, Deputy Commissioner of Police (Law & Order)Suneel Kumar said "the victim (the daughter) has been taken to government-run Bowring Hospital for a medical examination.The medical report will take some time". However, he said the police are checking the status of the diplomat with the Union Government to decide on future course of action.DCP (Central Division) Ravikante Gowda said the diplomat was just questioned and sent back to his consulate, adding, "if necessary, we will question him again."

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Jun 2012 22:41

A Modest Proposal
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

By Jonathan Swift (1729)

About this text.

It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.
I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...”

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 19 Jun 2012 06:44

Acharya wrote:
A Modest Proposal
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...”

Sir, can you explain the context of this post?

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 19 Jun 2012 11:56

prahaar wrote:
Acharya wrote:A Modest Proposal
http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html
Sir, can you explain the context of this post?

At the bottom of the article is this:

Note: Jonathan Swift (1667-1745), author and satirist, famous for Gulliver's Travels (1726) and A Modest Proposal (1729). This proposal, where he suggests that the Irish eat their own children, is one of his most drastic pieces. He devoted much of his writing to the struggle for Ireland against the English hegemony.

member_23626 · Post by **member_23626** » 02 Jul 2012 22:53

EU and their idiotic ads are in limelight again for wrong reasons

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Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 03 Jul 2012 04:12

Today I was hearing in Bloomberg that France in line to go south. Looking at the situation in EU, is it possible that we would see a war to keep people away from streets? Will we see a war on Iran after Olympics?

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Jul 2012 14:51

Some articles on the legal aspects of the Enrica Lexie case in which Italian military personnel gunned down unarmed Indian fisherman off the Kerala coast.

First, Duncan Hollis in a June 17, 2012 post on the legal blog “Opinio Juris”:

The Case of Enrica Lexie: Lotus Redux?

Second, Samir Saran and Samya Chatterjee of the Observer Research Foundation who seem to support the Italian line in the Hindu in a June 26, 2012 Op-Ed:

Who governs the high seas?

Third, a July 2, 2012 Op-Ed once in the Hindu by Prabir Purkayastha and Rishab Bailey disagreeing with Saran and Chatterjee:

Italy is on thin ground on the high seas

Finally Samir Saran’s rejoinder to the above Op-Ed also dated July 2, 2012 in the Hindu:

Samir Saran responds

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 12 Jul 2012 23:31

Purulia case: India to scale down diplomatic ties with Denmark

NEW DELHI: India has decided to scale down its diplomatic ties with Denmark after that country's refusal to appeal in their Supreme Court against a decision of its lower court rejecting the extradition of Purulia arms drop case accused Kim Davy.

Upset over Copenhagen's refusal to act on New Delhi's consistent request to appeal in their apex court to facilitate Davy's extradition to India, government has issued a circular directing all senior officials not to meet or entertain any Danish diplomat posted in India.

"It is against all civilised norms to harbour a terrorist. Despite being a signatory to many UN conventions, Denmark refused to act against the prime accused in the Purulia arms drop case," a senior government official said.
Denmark even did not pay any heed to a special request of external affairs minister S M Krishna who wrote to his Danish counterpart requesting to appeal in their Supreme Court against the lower court order rejecting Davy's extradition.

India has failed to understand the reason behind the stubborn attitude of Denmark despite its promise to put Davy in a special jail if extradited.

Earlier, Copenhagen cited poor living conditions in Indian jails for their reluctance to extradite Davy to India. "It smacks of racism," the official said.

Interestingly, citing Denmark laws, three law firms, hired by India to pursue its case against Davy, have suggested that there are enough provisions to appeal in the Supreme Court against the lower court order.

The Danish authorities have so far not agreed to appeal in the Supreme Court against the decision of the high court despite efforts by Indian agencies to convince them, official sources said.

They said the authorities conveyed that the prosecutor is not under the control of Danish government and his decision is considered final. Initially, Denmark had accepted India's request for extraditing Davy but it was challenged by him in a city court in Copenhagen which rejected the extradition.

The Danish authorities challenged the decision in the high court which also rejected their plea citing poor prison conditions, including overcrowding, alleged torture and human rights record of India.

The Danish legal authorities then decided not to pursue the matter further and refused to file an appeal in the Supreme Court there against the high court decision.

Sources said Indian authorities are not a party to the case and cannot directly intervene. They said the courts were not considering the merits of the alleged crime but on the prison conditions and human rights issues in India.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jul 2012 01:21

India should get some "Maoist" group in India to kidnap a Danish diplomat and then, when approached, offer to mediate only if the Danes extradite the guy!

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 13 Jul 2012 08:51

^ Although I do not support these kind of tactics but I would like to mention that China or Pakistan would have done that in a heartbeat. I guess that is why no one messes with China or Pakistan.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 13 Jul 2012 11:28

Nothing so dramatic needed, but announcing a reward could be done. Even Osama was betrayed due to a $25 million reward, so a smaller reward should do the trick in this case.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 13 Jul 2012 15:34

India visa message to Nordic 3

ARCHIS MOHAN AND NISHIT DHOLABHAI
New Delhi, July 12: New Delhi has clamped visa curbs on visitors from Denmark, Sweden and Norway in a message to all European Union member states not to treat India “unfairly”, highly placed sources said.

The move will affect people-to-people, business and official-level contacts with these three Scandinavian countries.

One immediate provocation has been Denmark’s continued refusal to step up efforts to extradite Purulia arms-drop accused Kim Davy, the sources said. But the larger issue is the failure of the Scandinavians and some other EU countries to treat Indian requests “on a par” with those from developed nations.

A list of Scandinavian nationals in India and of their activities is being compiled. The sources said Scandinavian citizens associated with NGO work in the Northeast, among tribals, and in Kashmir will come under the scanner and a few may be asked to leave if their activities are deemed to be against India’s interests.

The visa curbs, yet to be announced officially, have come into effect at the Indian embassies in Copenhagen, Oslo and Stockholm. Officials have been asked to refuse or delay visa applications from tourists, business people, NGO workers and officials —that is, nearly everybody who wants to visit India.

India knows this can hit ties with the EU. “But they need us more than they we need them. Their investments here create thousands of jobs in their countries,” an official said.

India had last August “frozen all cooperation” with Copenhagen after it refused to challenge in its supreme court a high court ruling against Davy’s extradition that cited India’s “poor jail conditions” and human rights record. It meant all ministries “stalled” their agreements and projects with Danish companies.

Now, the foreign ministry has asked officials not to “entertain” Danish diplomats, which means the scaling down of government-to-government ties is being extended to official-to-official contact too.

Davy, a Danish national, escaped from India after a Latvian cargo plane dropped a cache of arms and ammunition in Purulia in December 1995. Five Latvian crew members and Briton Peter Bleach were arrested but released years later. Davy surfaced in Denmark in 2007.

Norway angered India by repeatedly ignoring appeals for a speedy and sympathetic resolution of an NRI couple’s case to have their children, taken away and put in a foster home, returned to them.

Sources said Indian delegations and officials were treated casually in the three Scandinavian countries and sometimes in other EU nations.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jul 2012 16:04

The Scandinavians have amassed lately too much unjustified reputation as "do-gooders", "well-meaning" and "neutral" people. Using that they have been intervening in other countries, as Norway used to do in Sri Lanka. This "reputation" has gone to their heads, and they have repeatedly shown "high-moral horse" arrogance. They should become India's punching bags for the time being. The "racist" tag would help too!

When the next time the PEW guy comes to India and asks us, how we feel about Danish, Norwegians and Swedes, they should get 0 favorability rating.

The Nobel Peace Prize should be boycotted as well,....... unless some Chinese is receiving it!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jul 2012 16:24

Karan Dixit wrote:^ Although I do not support these kind of tactics but I would like to mention that China or Pakistan would have done that in a heartbeat. I guess that is why no one messes with China or Pakistan.

Those are not the only two countries who would do something like that. Any country who understands power would do it. USA or Russia or UK too would have no qualms.

And anyway, what is wrong about mediating the release of some Dane by the Maoists?

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 13 Jul 2012 16:41

There are no strings that prevent india from cutting ties with the EU. France can be an exception due to the scale of MMRCA but overall the nature of ties with majority of EU has of no consequence.

Should have been severed a long time ago due to swiss banking regulations. It's long overdue.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 14 Jul 2012 12:18

nvishal wrote:There are no strings that prevent india from cutting ties with the EU. France can be an exception due to the scale of MMRCA but overall the nature of ties with majority of EU has of no consequence.

Should have been severed a long time ago due to swiss banking regulations. It's long overdue.

The Swiss are not part of the EU!

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 14 Jul 2012 12:29

The best way is to pass on hints of delaying maybe even cancelling the FTA with EU. Show them India is Dead Serious even ready to forsake the FTA for it. EU will do the job.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Jul 2012 12:35

AbhiJ wrote:The best way is to pass on hints of delaying maybe even cancelling the FTA with EU. Show them India is Dead Serious even ready to forsake the FTA for it. EU will do the job.

Simply proceed with the dedicated and purposeful screwing of vodaphone and telenor. That should send out a clear message.

Telenor's failure will have political implications: Norway

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 14 Jul 2012 14:36

Having lived in Scandanavia for a better part of the decade, at the institutional level there is a high degree of arrogance. For many, it is inconceivable that a poor country's court can nullify a blue-blooded Nordic company's license. The treatment they are getting in India is quite different from what they got in ME and Pak. The small business people are quite pragmatic and have a good understanding of the Indian system(s), it is the BIG institution types that are caught in a time warp.

The amount of EJ funding/activities even in countries like Finland is quite high (which is the least compared to other Scandanavian countries). Finland is still on the visa-on-arrival list, but it is necessary that it is kept on watch list of MEA mandarins as well. I see quite Gungadin attitude of Indian MEA officials in this region who keep saying "we are poor we are poor you are rich give us aid", which reinforces the gungadin stereotypes.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Jul 2012 15:48

AbhiJ wrote:The best way is to pass on hints of delaying maybe even cancelling the FTA with EU. Show them India is Dead Serious even ready to forsake the FTA for it. EU will do the job.

Norway too is not part of the EU. Denmark is part.

I think economic tools are just a part of the arsenal. In order to screw Denmark for not delivering Kim Davis, we should use similar methods. The life and health of Danish citizens around the world should be put on the table, just as Indian citizens may have lost their lives at the hands of these terrorists.

I personally would be very hesitant in using economic tools. Only if political relations deteriorate too much should they be considered. For these 'little' cases like extradition, India needs to learn how to do arm-twisting.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 14 Jul 2012 17:07

Denmark was one of the most vocal countries which criticised India post Pokhran-II and had threatened aid stoppage (few million dollars program on poverty reduction), for once the GOI did the right thing and has stopped taking such aid.India should make an example out of Denmark to show these small countries their real place.They try to punch far above their weight.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Jul 2012 18:16

RajeshA wrote:
I personally would be very hesitant in using economic tools. Only if political relations deteriorate too much shouley be considered. For these 'little' cases like extradition, India needs to learn how to do arm-twisting.

How can you learn when you have jaichands and trojans infesting your own house??

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 14 Jul 2012 19:30

These Punks are already out of their Aukat:

They are funding protesters against a Socialist Government to ask for their Rights?

Article from Last Year:

Probe ordered against Denmark NGOs giving foreign funds to stage protests

The Centre has ordered an inquiry against at least 10 Non Governmental Organisations (NGOs) following reports that they were providing funds received from abroad for fanning political unrest in the country.

Government officials said the inquiry has been ordered after the Home Ministry received information that funds to the tune of crores of rupees received by these NGOs have been given to social activists to stage protests and resort to other agitational programmes against government policies thus creating unrest.

"We are trying to find out the source of the fund, to whom these have been given and what kind of unrest they wanted to create. If we get proof, we will definitely take action," an official said.

The inquiry has been ordered amidst media reports which suggested that Denmark plans to provide funds to outfits that rally against Indian government policies.

The reports said the Indian Ambassador in Denmark reported that the newly-elected Minister for Development Cooperation, Christian Friis Bach, has voiced plans "to use the Danish official development aid as a tool to generate popular unrest in recipient countries" so that citizens can get their rights by fighting for them.

Friis, a member of the Social Liberal Party, is reported to have cited India's Right to Food Campaign while explaining his approach. He is reported to have said that a group of citizens sued the government because 400 million people did not have sufficient food, though it was their constitutional right.

However, it is not clear whether the inquiry has been ordered after receiving the envoy's report or before that.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 14 Jul 2012 20:05

chandrabhan · Post by **chandrabhan** » 07 Aug 2012 01:18

Dear Rakshaks,
I am in Amsterdam for a week. Anyone around? I will be pleased to meet and chat.

Thanks.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 23 Aug 2012 12:24

Fascism was essentialy an Anti-Communist marketing device created by industrial and financial groups with the support of the Catholic Church (even in Britain Mosley was Catholic) And it was very successful attracting workers and taking them away from Marxism.

If Communists had red shirts, Fascists had black (Italy), blue (Spain) or brown (Germany) shirts. If Communists had a symbol (hammer and sickle) then Fascism had to create another one (different in Italy, Germany, Spain etc). If Communists had a fist then Fascism used the Roman salute, a clever idea from Mussolini. If Communists had a song, Fascism had to devise another songs....etc. The Catholic church gave its support and blessing to the marketing device but it didn´t support the racist idea of National-Socialists, which was a way to turn workers away from businessmen who were called exploiters by the Communists. If the real exploiters, who led the Communists, were the jews, then the rest of the industrial and financial community would receive less attention, and Coomunists would lose moral support as they looked to have an underground agenda. Workers wouldn´t pay attention to "bad" national capitalists as they were supporting the welbeing of their nation and providing jobs, but to the "bad" foreign capitalists (jews) who were supported by the Eastern hordes (Russia)...