Re: Malegaon blasts and the limits of fake secularism
Posted: 24 Aug 2015 23:59
Glad to read Manohar Malgoankar's write up in Tribune. He was a great writer.
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Above were the second-in-command to Sonia and Rahul on birthing the 'Hindu Terror' concept. Just recording this for posterity - I''m sure there will be a national commission of enquiry to indict and convict the guilty at some stage.gandharva wrote:B Raman, Chidambaram, Narayanan and Karkare have harmed national interests.
“If Aurangzeb was the most fanatical Muslim king who reigned on the Mughal throne in Delhi at the start of the 18th century, his counterpart who matched him in both bigotry and cruelty in South India at the close of the same century was Tipu Sultan”:arun wrote: ................{Snipped}................ Despite the many well documented depredations of Tipu Sultan against Hindu’s that negate the token acts of concern for Hindu’s by him, the Nehru-Gandhi family led Congress Party in Karnataka panders to the communal minority Mohammadden vote bank for narrow electoral gain by celebrating Tipu’s birth anniversary resulting in one protestor against the celebration being shot dead: ..............{Snipped}.................
Singhaji, the only qualification for such hero worship is pain caused to Kafir. At the grave of Afzal Khan (near Pune), there is an Urs every year, all he had done while alive in that region was kill people, burn villages and destroy temples.Singha wrote:I have in person seem Muslims pray at his grave in srirangapatna so he is held in high esteem in that community...he must have looked after his flock well.
From here:“For foreign nationals, who either have a communal bias or are ignorant about India, to fete Modi when the communal situation in India is highly disturbing and clearly the mood of the country has turned against him, would be an insult to the people of the country,” the Indian Overseas Congress (London) stated in a letter to the Europe India Forum, organisers of the event.
“It would also be an unacceptable attempt to influence Indians from abroad (by holding talks with David Cameron or holding such a function at Wembley?) and consequently an interference in the internal affairs of India,” the letter said.
See more at:Since the Paris attacks, two lies have been repeated ad nauseam in prime time chat shows and in the editorials of our newspapers. The first is that this jihad has nothing to do with Islam. And the second is that all religions are the same and can all be misinterpreted by bad people. ……………………..
The truth is that jihadi terrorism has everything to do with Islam for those who think of the time of the Prophet as a blessed time that Muslims must return to. In that time there were wars in which the Prophet fought, so he put into the Koran verses that instruct his followers to deal in many nasty ways with those who refuse to believe in his message. It is in strict adherence to these instructions that the Islamic State (IS) commits its hideous crimes against countries it believes are filled with sinners and us idol-worshippers. ………………………
The second lie that has been repeated often in the past week is that every religion has the same message. Not true. No Indic religion orders believers to treat non-believers as heathens or ‘kafirs’. There is not a single Indic religion that believes that it alone has all the answers and that those who do not accept this should be treated as scum. Islam not only believes that those who do not accept Islam are ‘kafirs’, it also believes that it is Allah’s wish that non-Islamic lands be treated as battlefields on which holy wars must be fought. ……………………………
Exiled from Bangladesh for annoying Mohammaddens, author Taslima Nasrin asks yet again why “secularists in India were questioning only Hindu fundamentalists, while they let alone Muslim fundamentalists”. Why indeed?arun wrote:Female Bangladeshi Mohammadden writer Ms. Taslima Nasrin / Taslima Nasreen on the Dhimmi like behaviour of our self-proclaimed “Secular’s” aka “Pseudo-secular’s”.
Most secular people are pro-Muslims and anti-Hindu. They protest against the acts of Hindu fundamentalists and defend the heinous acts of Muslim fundamentalists.See {partial?} text of interview with TOI’s Sagarika Ghosh here:Politicians appease Muslims for votes in India. Muslims get so much favour that angers many Hindus. It is true that sometimes Muslims get tortured only because they are Muslims. But it happens to other religious community too. In Canning, a Hindu village in West Bengal, was burnt down by Muslim fanatics in 2013. If Muslims were brutally persecuted in India, they would have left India for neighbouring Muslim countries like Hindu minorities have been leaving Bangladesh and Pakistan since Partition.
Indian writers guilty of double standards when it comes to dissent: Taslima Nasrin
All religions are anti-woman: Taslima NasrinResponding to a query put forth by writer K. Sachidanandan, Ms. Nasrin wondered why secularists in India were questioning only Hindu fundamentalists, while they let alone Muslim fundamentalists. She alleged that a democracy based on pseudo-secularism was not a true democracy at all. She said that the true conflict in India was between secularism and fundamentalism, between Innovation and tradition, between humanity and barbarianism and between people who value freedom and who do not.
Significantly watering down the 2008 Malegaon blasts case, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has decided not to name Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur as an accused in its chargesheet to be filed in a Mumbai court Friday. This sets the stage for her early release from jail.
The chargesheet is likely to mention that the investigation conducted by former Maharashtra ATS chief Hemant Karkare, later killed in the 26/11 terror attack, was flawed, that the evidence produced against Colonel Prasad Purohit, another key accused, had been fabricated, and statements of witnesses were taken under duress.
In all likelihood, the chargesheet will state that the ATS planted explosives in Purohit’s living quarters at the Deolali Army camp at the time of his arrest in 2008. “We have evidence to show that the RDX was planted by ATS,” an NIA officer said.
The agency has decided to drop charges under the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA)against Purohit and all other accused. They will now be charged under provisions of the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and the chargesheet will be filed in the UAPA court in Mumbai.
It is learnt that the NIA has also given a clean chit to at least three other accused who, the agency claims, had a peripheral role and were not aware of the conspiracy behind the Malegaon blasts on September 29, 2008 that killed four people and injured 79 others.
In an interview to The Indian Express on June 24, 2015, Rohini Salian, who was the special public prosecutor in the case, said she had been under pressure from the NIA to go “soft” on the accused ever since “the new government came to power” at the Centre. In October, after she was removed as the case prosecutor, she named the NIA officer who had contacted her.
The Maharashtra ATS, which had earlier filed a chargesheet in the case, named 14 people as accused including Thakur and Purohit.
Sources said the decision not to charge Thakur, a former office-bearer of the ABVP, was taken because of the “weak evidence” against her and the fact that MCOCA charges had been dropped against the accused.
“The only material evidence against her was the motorcycle on which the bomb was kept. This motorcycle was in her name but was being used by Ramchandra Kalsangra. Investigations have proved it was with him for two years prior to the blast. He was the one who would get it repaired and pay for its maintenance. Witness statements proved it,” an officer claimed.
Sources claimed the evidence against Thakur on her participation in the conspiracy was “thin”.
“There is not a single statement recorded before a magistrate (under Section 164 of the CrPC) that says she was part of the conspiracy meetings. All witness statements have been recorded under MCOCA before a DCP (deputy commissioner of police). Once MCOCA charges are dropped, these statements have no evidentiary value. There are just as many statements saying she was not part of the meetings,” another officer said.
Under MCOCA, a statement recorded before a DCP-rank officer is admissible as evidence in court. A statement recorded under Section 164 of CrPC before a magistrate is also admissible in court.
The NIA evidence against Purohit, sources said, establish he was an integral part of Abhinav Bharat, the organisation that allegedly plotted the blasts. The probe uncovered a money trail leading to Purohit. Sources said the NIA had found that he used the organisation’s money to buy plots in Nashik.
The NIA will also list evidence in the form of phone intercepts. In one such intercept, he is allegedly telling the other accused to flee and destroy evidence since police had got whiff of their involvement. The agency matched his voice sample with that in the intercept.
“There are several statements, recorded before a magistrate, which say he was part of conspiracy meetings. Against him, we have good evidence,” an NIA officer said.
The decision to drop MCOCA charges against the accused was taken since the application itself was flawed, NIA sources claimed. Sources said only one accused, Rakesh Dhawde, qualified to be charged under the law which requires that the accused must have at least two chargesheets against him, and proof that the crime was committed for pecuniary gains.
“All others were charged for association. Even the two chargesheets against Dhawde were an afterthought. He was arrested in November 2008 for his involvement in the 2003 Parbhani blast and 2004 Jalna blast. The day after his arrest, he was chargesheeted. This was used as justification for slapping MCOCA,” the officer said.
The NIA had earlier sought the opinion of the Law Ministry whether MCOCA charges could be dropped. The Ministry asked the agency to apply its own mind on the available evidence.
The NIA, which took over the case almost three years after the Maharashtra ATS filed a chargesheet in the case, re-examined all the accused, witnesses and evidence presented in the ATS chargesheet. It also recorded fresh statements, many of which exonerated the accused.
What ATS had on Sadhvi, Purohit
* Hero Honda motorcycle with bombs was owned by Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur.
* She was the first to be arrested by Maharashtra ATS on October 24, 2008.
* Sadhvi attended most meetings since 2006 on targeting Muslim-majority areas.
* At Bhopal meeting on April 11, 2008, Purohit said he would provide explosives.
* Sadhvi said she would arrange men for the blasts in Malegaon.
* Sadhvi knew Sunil Joshi, Ramchandra Kalsangra. Her motorcycle was with Kalsangra.
* ATS said Purohit floated Abhinav Bharat in 2007 for a Hindu Rashtra.
* Purohit brought RDX from Kashmir where he was posted earlier.
* Purohit assembled bombs in Pune with Sudhakar Chaturvedi, Kalsangra.
Muppalla wrote:...That's how the story unfolded to defame the Hindu community in the eyes of the world & the bane Hindu Terror was not the brain child of chiddu but it was the brain child of none other than Prithviraj Chauhan who was minister in PMO office.
Chavan moves from PMO backroom to seat of power
PTI Nov 10, 2010
MUMBAI: From the relative obscurity in the backroom of the Prime Minister's office to the most coveted seat of power in Maharashtra, Prithviraj Chavan has reaped the reward for his personal integrity, professional ability and unflinching loyalty to 10, Janpath.
I was wondering about it. The silence on this front is like the silence of the dog.ramana wrote:Who and where is Col Shrivastav?
It would be foolish to think that a Col. rank person was acting on his own (renegade) or even against the wishes of his bosses. It is unlikely that any of this happened without the concurrence of Army top brass. It is a sad episode that an Army which prides itself in bringing back its sick and wounded from battlefield has left this person to fend for himself. Nothing can be more demoralizing for an intelligence person to know his actions may be used to frame him or her.deejay wrote:I was wondering about it. The silence on this front is like the silence of the dog.ramana wrote:Who and where is Col Shrivastav?
wait before jumping to conclusions.prahaar wrote:It would be foolish to think that a Col. rank person was acting on his own (renegade) or even against the wishes of his bosses. It is unlikely that any of this happened without the concurrence of Army top brass. It is a sad episode that an Army which prides itself in bringing back its sick and wounded from battlefield has left this person to fend for himself. Nothing can be more demoralizing for an intelligence person to know his actions may be used to frame him or her.deejay wrote:
{quote="ramana"}Who and where is Col Shrivastav?{/quote}
I was wondering about it. The silence on this front is like the silence of the dog.
prahaar ji, hitting out against entire army at the first instance?prahaar wrote:...
It would be foolish to think that a Col. rank person was acting on his own (renegade) or even against the wishes of his bosses. It is unlikely that any of this happened without the concurrence of Army top brass. It is a sad episode that an Army which prides itself in bringing back its sick and wounded from battlefield has left this person to fend for himself. Nothing can be more demoralizing for an intelligence person to know his actions may be used to frame him or her.
I have bolded something that you need to understand. The IA cannot refuse cooperation to Civil authority. Despite not liking it, it cannot take opposite sides. IA did a little bit more to support the Col. I can search and post if you want.The other, and far more crucial fallout, is that the Army and ATS are at loggerheads, a situation which may lead to deeper trouble. Though the Army has been assisting the ATS, its brass is perturbed over the manner in which Purohit’s so-called confessions have been leaked.
Though the ATS has denied doing this, the Army feels such leaks are discrediting the entire institution, sources said on Saturday. They also denied reports that other serving officers are under the scanner even as the ATS picked up two more persons from Pune and Vapi in connection with the probe.
Gus wrote:It is a sad episode that an Army which prides itself in bringing back its sick and wounded from battlefield has left this person to fend for himself.
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but this is not a battlefield where army knows what to do. this is backroom politics and unprecedented in our modern history. if somebody else from army chain stepped in, they would also be dragged into suspicion and chargesheeted. this was not at the end of UPA regime..this was in the beginning where they had all the clout and for many years into future. you cannot fight against the system of a party in power, its bureacrats and police in its bidding, media that is on party dole and on top of it all - a compromised judiciary.
this is a fight nobody will take on and how we expect some army senior officer will take on? its not like movie where hero can win in the end.
Why doesn't the court or NIA bring the case to trial? This jail without bail violates the requirement of Habeas Corpus.vijayk wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/report/maleg ... 160926.htm
Malegaon blast: Colonel Purohit's bail rejected
The special court for National Investigation Agency cases in Mumbai rejected on Monday the bail application of Lt Col Prasad Purohit, a prime accused in the 2008 Malegaon blast case.
The order was passed by Special Judge S D Tekale. Purohit had sought the bail contending that the NIA had dropped the charges under the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act in the case, and that the sanction for prosecution obtained under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act was defective.
He had not played any role in the blast, Purohit had said, adding that he was in jail for the last seven years without trial.
However, the NIA had objected to his bail plea. His arguments should be taken into consideration during the trial and not at this stage, the prosecution had said.
Prima facie there was enough evidence against Purohit, it had said.
Muppalla wrote:Finally Purohit gets bail.