Bharat Rakshak

Anindya wrote:What a Shame!!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 76,00.html

Last Saturday, violent groups of Islamic-Salafi radicals burned the famous scientific institute established by Napoleon in Egypt after its first encounter with the West. Some historians consider it the start of modern times in the Middle East.

The site, L’Institut d’Egypte, held some 200,000 original and rare books, exhibits, maps, archeological findings and studies from Egypt and the entire Middle East, based on the work of generations of western researchers. Most of the artifacts were lost forever, burned or looted.

It’s difficult to understand the modern Middle East without these studies, which were overcome by an immense fire. The large building was situated in the center of Cairo and torching it was a symbolic, intentional act. Those who burned the building and its artifacts meant to burn the era of logic, enlightenment, research and individualism.

This has been done in a deliberate and targeted manner.

All they ever tolerated was just the one book

I know this may not be the right place to post this.
Just wanted some comments.
Is the guy in this picture from South India?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/12/worn- ... l#comments

Unfortunately,yes. Kerala is my best guess. Ask me how.

Ambar wrote:Unfortunately,yes. Kerala is my best guess. Ask me how.

The poorest rag pickers in Bangalore can sometimes be seen wearing jackets that say Greenpeace or "The Marines",

Wearing is not the issue - but where the cloth is printed with that pattern. This shirt is likely from some place in the West Asia. We are not supposed to celebrate terror, but 9-11 really brought home terror to the USA that needed a bit of its own games to bite US ass. I see those images and I can never forget the frustrated rage I had felt years earlier when I read news of Indians being killed by Pakistani terrorists and Reagan calling the terrorists "freedom fighters". So the images only bring mixed feelings to me. Not all negative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipszh14WPFY

Reuters via New York Times reports 68 dead in clashes between Islamist group Boko Haram which wants to impose Islamic law across Nigeria and Nigerian security forces:

In Nigeria’s North, Deadly Clashes With an Islamist Group

ABUJA: A bomb that exploded at a church in a satellite town on the outskirts of the Nigerian capital Abuja killed at least 19 people, a resident of the area said.

"I heard the blast. My house shook. I came out to the front of the church to see what was happening. I counted 19 bodies myself, many of them mutilated, and five destroyed vehicles," Tony Akpan told Reuters close to the scene.

Religion of Peace wishing a Merry Xmas in NIgeria

While we are on Jihadwatch
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/12/egypt ... idels.html

On the other hand, someone desperate to rationalize their advance is probably bound to plead at some point that Salafism is not a monolith, and there is a Tinier Minority of Extreme Extremists in the Tiny Minority of Extremists.

. The matador knows the querencia.

Prominent Salafist cleric Yasser Borhami “I hold on to my stance that Jews and Christians are infidels, but they do have rights that Allah has given them,” he stated during a press conference in Dakahliah, north east of Cairo.
And that ain't much. It is not unlike the now-hilarious quotation from the early '80s, apocryphally attributed to Bill Gates, that "640k [of RAM] ought to be enough for anybody." Sharia's regressive, discriminatory "rights" "ought to be enough for anybody," and that's all the dhimmis will ever get, on the condition that they can stay on their overlords' good side.

Salafists are dhakans. Somebody needs to tell the dumb broad the difference between the people of the book and infidels.

Only I and my people are qualified enough to be infidels.

RoP action in Afghan Funeral: 20 Killed

KABUL — A suicide bomber killed least 20 people in a relatively secure northern Afghan province Sunday afternoon, including a member of parliament who was attending a funeral.

Afghan officials said they think the lawmaker, Abdul Mutalib Baig, was the target of the bombing. The late lawmaker was a prominent commander of forces who fought against the Taliban during Afghanistan’s civil war in the 1990s.

chetak >>

This has been done in a deliberate and targeted manner.
All they ever tolerated was just the one book

This is quite probably true. But some things never change. From what I've read, Bakhtayar Khilji used exactly the same excuse for setting fire to the archives at Nalanda, yet we have:

Bangladeshi poet Al Mahmud composed a book of poetry titled Bakhtiyarer Ghora meaning Horses of Bakhtiyar in early 1990s depicting Khilji as the praiseworthy figurehead of conquest of Bengal. It was under Bakhtiyar Khilji's reign that Muslim missionaries in India achieved their greatest success, in terms of number of converts to Islam.[

Of course, then again, for the same Khilji who destroyed, so much of India's intellectual and religious institutions, we also have opinions such as the following

The Advent of Bakhtiyar Khilji in Bangla: A cultural change that was needed

i think it was the advent of Mughals in North India which made the schism due to Islam that much deeper in India.

harbans wrote:

ABUJA: A bomb that exploded at a church in a satellite town on the outskirts of the Nigerian capital Abuja killed at least 19 people, a resident of the area said.

"I heard the blast. My house shook. I came out to the front of the church to see what was happening. I counted 19 bodies myself, many of them mutilated, and five destroyed vehicles," Tony Akpan told Reuters close to the scene.

Religion of Peace wishing a Merry Xmas in NIgeria

Nigeria, was one of the prime sites for early-modern Islamist revivalism. Wonder of wonders - it was led by "Sufis" who explicitly declared "jihad". They took care to mention both "jihads" - the "outer" and the "inner" jihad, but never denounced or rejected the "outer" jihad which was about military action/coercion/ghazwas. Even the inner jihad is expressed in such an inextricable form with the outer - that it needs all the sophistry of modern apologists to separate the two.

One of the funny things is that people artificially try to claim that "things have changed/modernized" etc in regions where islam dominated historically with near total erasure of alternatives. Africa or ME are simply showing that things never really change in such societies.

harbans wrote:

ABUJA: A bomb that exploded at a church in a satellite town on the outskirts of the Nigerian capital Abuja killed at least 19 people, a resident of the area said.

"I heard the blast. My house shook. I came out to the front of the church to see what was happening. I counted 19 bodies myself, many of them mutilated, and five destroyed vehicles," Tony Akpan told Reuters close to the scene.

Religion of Peace wishing a Merry Xmas in NIgeria

The death toll in the Christmas day bombing of the St Theresa Catholic Church in Madalla, near Nigeria's capital Abuja by Islamic Terrorists has climbed to 35:

39 dead in Nigeria terror attacks

Ambar wrote:Unfortunately,yes. Kerala is my best guess. Ask me how.

Yes, But doesn't the US and other WesternsGovt actively support the type of Politics/Intellectuals in India which support the guys line of thinking.

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Was watching another awesome video of Edward Luttwak (2007 video, discussing Iraq war, strategy etc):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vz1BpRf3Lc


Few points:

1. Analytical mathematical economics and PhD on Roman Empire.

2. Why explaining strategy is very difficult.

3. Middle East is not that important. US should become Non-oil dependent even if oil is given free. He says non-oil GDP of
Middle East is less than Spain. So no need for a huge interest in ME by US.

4. He feels that the intervention by Western powers is due to extra power they got because of money surplus & military surplus.

5. Some conterversial point : He says democracies can't fight insurgencies, only empires can. He says that empires were able to fight insurgencies or occupy other countries because they out terrorize the terrorists/insurgents.

6. US tolerance level for casulties have gone done. Air power is not enough for any fighting insurgencies. Beautifully says that both anti-war liberals don't study war & the conservatives can't think straight.

7. He feels that China (in general) will not be occupying other countries by military means but demographically.

8. Another most important point: Obstructive religion can break any good intented interference. Gives the French interference in Spain (Napolean) and the interference by Italian Liberals in Southern Italian Fedual society. In an another video where he discusses the book ' The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire', he made a very incisive point, i.e. mullah rule in Iran is making it the first post-islamic society in the world.

I think India should create a situation where all four parts of Pakistan are fighting each other, but we should not intervene militarily & occupy. Finally TTP/mullahs will come to power. What TSP needs is more islam and I think after some 15-20 years of rule by Mullahs, TTP etc, it will become a post-Islamic society. Once they are post islamic, we should military intervene to finish to all mullahs and any trace of semitic ideologies/religions. In the meantime, may be the only thing India needs to do is to get all the remaining Hindus & Christians out of Pakistan. In medical field, sometimes they let the problem to become more serious before they do surgery/operate. I think the same is needed in Pakistan. They need more Islam.

But the same strategy is not for semitic ideologies & its adherents inside the boundries of present day Indian Republic.

^^Point (5) is correct. We have discussed this before. Insurgencies of the form now being taken up under Islamism say - could only be crushed by even greater counter terrorizing. I discussed this using the Greek subjugation of Afghan tribes, Mongol suppression of Afghan tribes, but the more modernized and therefore more ham-strung and self-restricted Brit empire failing. [All their atrocities had to be justified by propaganda of imagined atrocities from their targets, and they had to become increasingly careful of political opposition within the Brit parliament and the press].

Point 8: yes if the intervention is "good intentioned", then it can be broken down by certain types of religions [not necessarily merely obstructive: but those which are specifically of the organized, and historically fixated revelation/sole-claimants-of-all-truth etc framework, i.e. religions which specifically rule out scope for change].

But the escape from this is that the intention should not be blindly committed to doing "good" only. It has to be prepared to do "evil" in order to do good. "Good" or "well" intentions are rather vague terms, and needs to be well-defined. What is required is finding out the institutional structures that generate the problems and destroy them and the power basis on which those institutions arose in the first place.

The Brits realized this in the buildup to the 1857 uprising. They took up the longer term challenge of deconstructing the "Hindu" institutional power basis which had successfully challenged the EIC attempt at subjugation. The encouragement of Islamism started after this, educational brainwashing started after this, and delegitimization and discrediting or ideological undermining of the "Hindu" started in earnest after this [even though EIC intellectuals were doing the same but in a less explicit form].

What the Brits failed to realize was that the mercantile parts of "Hindu" institutionalism were traditionally adaptable anyway, and would stoop to conquer : they would use the Brit attempt at brainwashing by appearing to be brainwashed and gain Brit confidence only to gain state power without rejecting the imperial state form.

But the Brits have been somewhat successful - with modern India producing stalwarts like Digvijay Singh or Prof. Romila Thapar for example - perfect examples of how to ideologically undermine the institutional bases of resistance to foreign imperialist ideologies.

In AFG or ME, the whole problem of western intervention has been this lack of perception of the need to undermine Islamic theocracy, and the institutional basis of Islamic power.

brihaspati wrote:^^Point (5) is correct. We have discussed this before. Insurgencies of the form now being taken up under Islamism say - could only be crushed by even greater counter terrorizing. I discussed this using the Greek subjugation of Afghan tribes, Mongol suppression of Afghan tribes, but the more modernized and therefore more ham-strung and self-restricted Brit empire failing. [All their atrocities had to be justified by propaganda of imagined atrocities from their targets, and they had to become increasingly careful of political opposition within the Brit parliament and the press].

+1.

When the insurgency is supported by a minority that is >3-5% of national population, democracy fails to control it.

Asia Bibi says jail warden tried to strangulate her
Asia Bibi, a Christian woman sentenced to death under Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law, has claimed that a female jail warden had tried to strangulate her following an argument.

Asia also said she cooks her own food in prison due to fear that she might be poisoned.

“I live in a confined cell. I am allowed to go out for only 30 minutes every day, and allowed to meet my family for one hour every Tuesday,” Asia said in an interview with Masihi Foundation, a Christian group that works for the rights of the minority community.

“I am given raw material to cook for myself, since the administration fears I might be poisoned, as other Christians accused of blasphemy were poisoned or killed in the jail,” she said in response to questions sent to her by the rights group.

Asia said authorities had recently suspended a female warden who tried to strangle her after an argument over a “minute issue”.

She said Islamic clerics had offered a bounty of about $ 8,000 to anyone who would kill her.

The 45-year-old mother of five is currently on death row in a prison in Punjab.

A court is yet to begin hearing her appeal against her conviction.

Asia was sentenced to death last year after being convicted under the blasphemy law for allegedly insulting Prophet Mohammed.

She denied the charge and said she was framed by a group of Muslim women with whom she had a row.

The women were working in a field with Asia when she was asked to fetch water.

The Muslim women refused to drink the water brought by Asia and, during a subsequent quarrel, she was accused of insulting the Prophet Mohammed.

Asia described the blasphemy law as a “manmade law” that was misused to settle personal vendettas.

She said it “should be repealed or at least amended” as it had “claimed so many innocent lives”.

She further said the situation of Christians in Pakistan is “not very good”.

The Christians, especially those in villages, are “mistreated, abused and framed for false cases as they cannot afford to fight for their rights”.

Asia said she was “assaulted and harassed by the police” after her arrest.

“I was in a state of shock for many days. I fasted and prayed. My family has been in trouble; they have been moving one place to another.

“But I have forgiven the Muslims who had put me and my family in this situation,” she said.

She said she was praying and fasting to be with her family so that she could “hug my daughters, kiss them”.

Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer, who backed a call for Asia to be pardoned, was gunned down in Islamabad by a police guard who said he was angered by the politician's criticism of the blasphemy law.

According to official figures, 131 people are being held in jails across Punjab on blasphemy charges.

Eleven of them have been sentenced to death, including Asia, who was the first woman to be given the penalty.

Though no one has been executed after being convicted under the controversial law, 35 people, including Taseer, who were accused of committing blasphemy or defending those charged with blasphemy, have been killed between 1990 and 2011.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/asia- ... r/892654/0

Nasser's 1953 speech about his encounter with MB leader's demand for hijab for Egyptian women.

Nasser's speech to Egyptian parliament on the hijab

ramana wrote:Nasser's 1953 speech about his encounter with MB leader's demand for hijab for Egyptian women.

Nasser's speech to Egyptian parliament on the hijab

The speech is in Arabic. You understand Arabic Ramana garu?

What are the jokes that he is making?

He was deriding the MB for demanding hijab and the parliament members were supporting him. Now we ave Egyptian women entering voting booths and coming out wearing hijabs!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 314207.cms

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka: Maldives ordered hundreds of its luxury resorts to close their spas nearly a week after a protest led by opposition parties demanding a halt to "anti-Islamic" activities, the government said on Friday.

Thousands at last week's protest called on the government to halt what they called "anti-Islamic" activities. Sunni Islam is the official religion in the Maldives and practicing any other faith is forbidden.

Last week's protest was called by the opposition Adhaalat, or Justice, Party and several other groups that accuse President Mohammed Nasheed's government of compromising principles of Islam and want strict Islamic law.

The protesters also want authorities to stop the sale of alcohol in the islands, shut down brothels operating in the guise of massage parlors and demolish monuments gifted by other countries marking a South Asian summit last month because they see them as idols.

They also wanted to halt a plan to allow direct flights to Israel.

Though the country does not allow stoning or executions, it is under scrutiny for its absence of religious freedom and for punishments such as public flogging.

Debates on religious issues have emerged since a group vandalized a monument gifted by Pakistan marking a South Asian summit last month with the image of Buddha. Buddhism was part of the present Islamic republic's history.

An angry protest last month followed a call by U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay for the Maldives to end floggings of women being punished for adultery.

^^^Another instance of the great Indian-prosperity security increasing creation of Pakistan. Most of these Maldivean shenanigans are supposedly led by Maldivean youth educated at Paki madrassahs - who went to study in Pak from a supposedly peaceful Sufi entirely non-violent religious background society. Even this long term forever peaceful society with a religion having no violent component in its dissemination from childhood - suddenly had it youth's head turned by Paki madrassahs onlee. [The youth did not find the Paki teaching contradictory to the faith taught to them from childhood?!!!]

India did not take steps to prevent the Islamization on such a strategic location - again perhaps based on a deceptive representation of Islamism. Eventually, this would be another outpost close to the mainland and a stop on the international waters for jihadis.

Current Indian establishment is as helpless against IJ+EJ combine as Bhishmak (Rukmini's father who depended on Rukmi's strength to continue his rule) was against Rukmi.

Someone should do a study on role of cassette and CDs in spreading mullah sermons over the last three decades.

ramana wrote:Someone should do a study on role of cassette and CDs in spreading mullah sermons over the last three decades.

Ramana the topic I suspect is intimately linked with the ability to buy and play cassettes which in turn is linked to jobs in the middle east. I first saw a cassette player in India in the hands of a classmate at school whose father was in Kuwait. I did not own one until nearly a decade later when a relative of mine brought me one from America. It was still not easy/cheap to get one in India (late 70s). India wanted middle eastern money, and now we are seeing the unwanted side effects of that.

I believe that self respect as a nation and as a people should enable us to speak up and protest if injustice is done. But poverty and a sense of slavery to the world ensured that we remained "religiously" secular while a country like Saudi Arabia remained a s bigoted as they could - not even allowing others' religious symbolism.

In the name of religious freedom and weighed down by dhimmi thoughts Indians do not even form a "Human rights " organization in India that protests against Saudi religious policies and stands up for multiple groups' religious sentiment in India. It looks so goddam stupid to see SM Krishna and Pranab Mukherjee claiming some credit for meekly begging a Siberian court on the Gita issue. Have these rickety old fossils ever bothered to ask Saudi Arabia why the fuk the Gita is banned in KSA. Well we don't ask either. They are like us and many of us have, out of the "ecomomic necessity" excuse bowed down to Saudi dictates to earn their money while abiding by their bigoted laws.

Mohammaddens of P.R. China’s Hui minority riot in the Hexi region of the Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region over a mosque demolition:

Two Chinese killed in clash after police demolish village mosque

Obama Signs Defense Bill Despite 'Serious Reservations'

"President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Meanwhile, just a couple of days ago, the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR) regional office here sent out this note, which was fwd'ed by mosques to their congregations:

From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 23:52:47 -0500
Subject: Has the FBI contacted you?


Salaam everyone,

Please be aware that the FBI is interviewing an alarming number of people in the Muslim community right now. If you are contacted by the FBI, please call us at the CAIR-Columbus office at 451-3232. PLEASE do not make the mistake of talking to the FBI without an attorney. Even if you are completely innocent, you need to make sure you protect yourself and take advantage of your right to have counsel present IF you choose to talk to them. The last thing you want to do is talk to the FBI alone with no record of what took place during the interview and possibly incriminate yourself without knowing it.

So if you're contacted by the FBI, remember the following:

1. No warrant = no requirement to talk. Without a warrant it's completely up to you if you want to talk to them or not.

2. IF you choose to talk to them, you have the right to set the time and the place.

3. As for the place, don't allow them into your home. Always choose to meet them in a public place, or preferably in the office of an attorney.

3. Having an attorney present does NOT make you look guilty. That's what the FBI wants you to think, but it is your right to have an attorney present. That doesn't make you guilty - that makes you smart.

4. IF you choose to talk, DON'T LIE. It's better not to answer than to tell a lie. Lying to a law enforcement officer is a crime in and of itself.

5. Consult with an attorney before you do anything. If you are approached by an agent, take his/her name and number and politely tell them you will be speaking with an attorney and get back to them.

6. DON'T LET THEM INTIMIDATE YOU. They will tell you you don't need an attorney. They will tell you talking to them is no big deal. They will tell you a lot of things to get you to start talking. Please call us before you do anything. We can provide you with free representation.

What you do is ultimately your choice, but at least talk to us first so we can advise you of your rights and you can make an informed decision. We're not telling you not to cooperate with the FBI, just make sure you're going about it in the right way.

Please share this information with others and feel free to contact us with any questions.

Wasalaam,

Jennifer E. Nimer, Esq.
Legal Director,
Regional CAIR center

What's going on now? I have white American Moslem friends who have been approached by the FBI before, especially one married to an ethnic lady from a particularly troublesome ethnic community. They reported relatively innocuous questions pertaining to law and order and terrorist plots. One confirmed terror plot was foiled when someone local was arrested, and even these guys admitted it was a genuine case by some of the crazier sections of the community.

Carl wrote:What's going on now?

Obama wants to house them in special FEMA camps

vikramd wrote:Obama wants to house them in special FEMA camps

lol are you joking?

Carl wrote:

vikramd wrote:Obama wants to house them in special FEMA camps

lol are you joking?

why would that be a joke? nobel peace prize laureate obama wants to demonstrate his peacefulness to his orwellian masters. what better way than to crackdown on home grown terrorists and use it as a precedent to detain political opponents in the future. obama the new president for life.

^^ It is strange that a President who campaigned on closing down Guantanamo ends up signing a bill for indefinite detention of American citizens. But let's not jump to grand conspiracy theories, IMHO.

The key to modernize Islamic society is reform of KSA.Citizens of most ME countries blame KSA for spreading fundoo brand of Islam every where.

^^ I don't fully understand the reasons KSA propagates this brand of Islam. Is it just their ideological conviction? The Saudi regime themselves are targets of extreme jihadi networks.

Carl wrote:^^ I don't fully understand the reasons KSA propagates this brand of Islam. Is it just their ideological conviction? The Saudi regime themselves are targets of extreme jihadi networks.

SA regime is a dictatorship who governs using the Brand of Islam and has uses it for Imperialistic ambitions and influence in many countries, many citizens in Asian countries now look to SA for guidance in even day to day activities which is lot of help to them.

Saudis often state What Islam has bought to Arabia- I.e it makes a huge population in the world behave as their slaves from their perspective. If you stayed in Arab world there is always talk of Arabs talking over the world after the West collapses and whom they see as the masters of the world.

For Saudis, they feel Islam is the tool through which they control the world and be its center, this is main motivating force.

Carl wrote:^^ I don't fully understand the reasons KSA propagates this brand of Islam. Is it just their ideological conviction? The Saudi regime themselves are targets of extreme jihadi networks.

Carl, it is the nature of the beast of islamism itself.

KSA needs the theology to keep its grip on the masses. the alliance goes back a long time, back during the times of Wahab himself. the theology achieves domestication of half the population while promising untold riches to the rest if they follow God's Plan. it effectively keeps the focus on chauvinism and untold glories in mythical future. the al-Saud needs the theology to continue its rule. if this theology is taken away, then the plundering of the al-Saud becomes impossible to continue.