Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Oct 2012 23:28

Ramana - in that 98 cruise missile attack, several ISI officers were also killed. Hamid Gul was mighty pissed and fulminated a lot.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Oct 2012 23:55

A famous example is Harkat-ul-Mujahideen. They started off as a group fighting the soviets in Afghanistan. When that ended they started terror in JK. a famous member is maulana masood azhar, who India arrested and threw in jail but was released as part of IC814 hijack. He went on to form Jaish e Mohammed.

HUM is famous because they are the group that provided Osama shelter. Probably the front used by ISI to give him a house in abbottabad etc. HUM has had several names. The previous version which was active in Afghanistan and JK was banned by the US but they simply changed their name.

HUM was the group sent to protect OBL when US invaded afghanistan. They were the earliest group whose hideout was bombed (before drones using a bomber) dispatching 20 or more in Afghanistan and among the first examples of using air power to bomb hideouts (this would be later refined using drones). One of the HUM cadres arrested by the US in Afghanistan was John walker lindh also known as "american Taliban". There is a book based on his interviews which gives details about how people are radicalized lured and trained by camps set up by the pakis.

So there is pretty much the same group which fought against soviets , armed by US , fought in JK, arrested by India , freed by a hijack orchestrated by ISI, sheltered by Taliban in afghanistan, bombed by the US and till now protecting OBL.

grapevine says that LeT has been losing cadres to HUM and JeM after they got political ambitions and formed duffer e bakistan council.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Oct 2012 00:21

darshhan wrote:
Rohit_K wrote:German textile retailer Kik puts value on a Pakistani: Offers $1,930/- per Victim in Karachi Factory Fire
Saala bahut jaada de diya in pakis ko.

Now there will be regular fires in factories working for western companies and the number of victims dead in the fire would be bloated to get more compensation!

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 25 Oct 2012 00:26

ramana wrote:RamaY, To add to shiv's data:
- On Sept 12th, 2001 Rawalpindi airspace was closed to allow a series of flights from Kabul. Speculation was its the "clown jewels" being brought back from "strategic depth" provided by Taliban.

Are you sure you are not referring to the Kunduz airlift in Nov 2001? That was when the pakis evacuated all the top AQ and Taliban commanders including their own people to Pakistan just before Kunduz was taken by the NA.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Oct 2012 02:29

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... sonianism/
Romney’s Foreign Aid Wilsonianism

The Republican challenger also called foreign aid a potential “pathway” to “get the Muslim world to be able to reject extremism on its own.”
Jim is right that Romney’s comments have more to do with drawing a nominal distinction between himself and Obama. Nevertheless he seems to misunderstand the purpose of aid to Pakistan, which is primarily about maintaining some measure of diplomatic leverage over a perennially unstable nuclear power, rather than democratic evangelism or promoting humanitarianism. Here are a few facts, for context:\
Since 9/11 Pakistan has received a little more than $25 billion in military and nonmilitary aid, according to the Congressional Research Service. Last year they received $3.5 billion, about 1.7 percent of Pakistan’s GDP, slightly down from the 2010 high-water mark of $4.4 billion. In 2014 the $1.5 billion in annual nonmilitary aid allocated by John Kerry and Richard Lugar’s 2009 Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act runs out.That aid program was already conditioned by the certification of certain things, among them democratic reforms and the assurance that the aid can be effectively disbursed, which is decidedly not a given. In September, Secretary of State Clinton waived those in the interest of national security (something Bush did multiple times during his presidency).So even if there were reason to believe that foreign aid can act as a sort of carrot to incentivize democratic reforms or free speech protections or whatever Romney’s idea of civil society is, there’s an unbroken bipartisan history of waiving such conditions.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Oct 2012 02:30

US Aid to Pakistan

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Oct 2012 04:02

nachiket wrote:
ramana wrote:RamaY, To add to shiv's data:
- On Sept 12th, 2001 Rawalpindi airspace was closed to allow a series of flights from Kabul. Speculation was its the "clown jewels" being brought back from "strategic depth" provided by Taliban.
Are you sure you are not referring to the Kunduz airlift in Nov 2001? That was when the pakis evacuated all the top AQ and Taliban commanders including their own people to Pakistan just before Kunduz was taken by the NA.

No. I know my Pak airlifts. What I am referring to happened day after 9/11.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Oct 2012 04:12

I Think, most of them are Paki or paki in nature
50 Million Muslims In Europe,80% Are Beggars Living on Western Welfare"

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 25 Oct 2012 07:42

400% contesting elections

Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, who is a "proclaimed offender" in the Benazir Bhutto assassination case, on Wednesday announced that he will contest the upcoming general elections from Chitral, a constituency in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

Musharraf, 69, made the announcement while addressing the elders of Chitral via a video-link from Dubai, the Express Tribune reported. The former President who ruled Pakistan between 1999 and 2008, had formed a party called the All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) and had vowed to end his self-exile to contest the elections in the country.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Oct 2012 08:23

Anujan wrote:grapevine says that LeT has been losing cadres to HUM and JeM after they got political ambitions and formed duffer e bakistan council.

If true, then a terror strike against India is imminent.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Oct 2012 08:27

Jhujar wrote:http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... sonianism/
Romney’s Foreign Aid Wilsonianism

Dont believe anything that presidential candidates say during debates. Obama's strategy is to equate Romney with George Bush -- who remains one of America's most unpopular president. What did George Bush do? Lowered taxes on wealthy, removed regulations and went to war on a drop of a hat.

Romney is trying to argue two things (1) He is not Obama (2) He is not George bush.

It is very important that he takes "Peaceful unkil" avatar to reassure the public that he wont go wage war and get US into another 10 year war. So he puts forth stupid ideas like "I will export kittens to Pakistan, they will see harmless peaceful cats and become all lovable onleee".

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Oct 2012 09:22

Our host and friend, journalist Jyoti Malhotra, was visibly squirming because we were getting late for a reception in Amritsar.
She just exploded when an official opened the toilet bag of one of the women parliamentarians, as if suspecting her of trying to smuggle drugs.
"You can't do that! For God's sake, they are parliamentarian guests," she protested.
Jyoti wanted the customs officials to show some courtesy but they were adamant -- as if to prove to us how strong the Indian bureaucracy was. It was funny that at one stage we, the Pakistanis, were trying to arbitrate between the two warring Indians!
After layers of multiple checks we thought we were finally through, only to be stopped again at the last gate, get out, and register ourselves separately with the -- equally infamous -- (east) Punjab 'pullas'.

Ah, the famous Jyoti Malhotra who had warned 2 days back about how a new India would avenge the 2002 riots if Modi becomes PM ( return to darkness article).

Now i know what she would have discussed with her Paki bossom buddies

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 25 Oct 2012 09:56

Anujan wrote:
Jhujar wrote:http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... sonianism/
Romney’s Foreign Aid Wilsonianism
Dont believe anything that presidential candidates say during debates. Obama's strategy is to equate Romney with George Bush -- who remains one of America's most unpopular president. What did George Bush do? Lowered taxes on wealthy, removed regulations and went to war on a drop of a hat.

Romney is trying to argue two things (1) He is not Obama (2) He is not George bush.

It is very important that he takes "Peaceful unkil" avatar to reassure the public that he wont go wage war and get US into another 10 year war. So he puts forth stupid ideas like "I will export kittens to Pakistan, they will see harmless peaceful cats and become all lovable onleee".

Why does Romney get a pass when the Ayatollahs dont for what they shoot out of their backsides? We should be as prepared as Israel is for the Ayatollahs.

After all, it means that their local pressures are what is directing them to say what they are saying and all politics is local at the end of the day.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Oct 2012 10:13

I am yet to comprehend any article that Jyoti Malhotra has ever written. I have no idea how that lady became a writer.

habal · Post by **habal** » 25 Oct 2012 10:52

To understand her you need to be part of DB grapevine.

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Oct 2012 11:13

X Posted from the Oppression of Minoroties in Pakistan thread.

Green on Green Intra Mohammadden religious inspired sectarian violence perpetrated by Mohammaddens of the majority Sunni sect drives Mohammaddens of the minority Shia sect to seek refuge among Non Mohammadden infidels.

Pretty ironical that a country like the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that claims to have been created as a safe haven for the followers of Mohammaddenism residing in the Indian Sub-Continent proves to be no such thing with members of the Mohammadden ummah opting to flee to live in countries run by Non-Mohammadden infidels:

Pakistani death squads spur desperate voyage to Australia

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 25 Oct 2012 11:51

It is of the utmost importance that Indian research and analysis groups (think tanks, academics, former intelligence/police officers, etc.) get together and produce a stream of papers, books, you name it, that present irrefutable data on the secret ties between US/TSPA/various Packee/Islamic terrorist outfits. Even now, after all the Packee double-dealing with the US/Nato, the West is still protecting TSP: it's because the West does not want to open the cesspit of their support for and use of Islamic terrorism through Packeestan. Western media sources never go into the deep relation that the US has had with various Islamic terrorist groups through the TSPA, for the last 3 decades. This must be brought into the open for the Indian public and the world at large. This is a weapon India can use to stop, over a period of time, the games that the US is playing in the Indian continent (propping up TSPA) and that has lead to a nuclear armed terrorist state to India's western border.

Indians depend too much on what Western "think tanks", "academics", etc. publish, and we know what a tainted source that is (tainted because of various reasons, in the case of the Brits is outright hatred for India/a deep seated racism, Christianist/Marxist propaganda, you name it. This is part of "changing the narrative", that is correcting the Western (white Christian/Marxist/racist) lies that are accepted as basic truths even by many Indian "intellectuals".

Publish it all, bring out all the dirty details of Western/Chinese nuclear proliferation to Packeestan.

I realize that only a nationalistic Indian government would initiate such a program, this means that the above is not going to happen in my lifetime.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Oct 2012 17:34

Multatuli,

I have been wishing for that as well, but alas, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride

.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Oct 2012 17:49

sum wrote: Ah, the famous Jyoti Malhotra who had warned 2 days back about how a new India would avenge the 2002 riots if Modi becomes PM ( return to darkness article).

Boss, I may have missed this article, where is it?

She also displays another WKK Indian elite cowardly spectacle

It was funny that at one stage we, the Pakistanis, were trying to arbitrate between the two warring Indians!

Watch for this disgusting spectacle enacted many times as Amank ki tamsahs goes on and on. Indian DDM, WKKS, and other assorted cowards will be going into a self flagellating tizzy at the slightest perceived offence to their TSP RAPE counterparts. Can you imagine the field day these perverts would have if say Modi or an RSS spokesman or BJP politician were to say anything against Aman Ki Tamasha?

When it comes pouring scorn, ridicule, disdain, and cntempt, and even physical brutality against their own, they won't be found lacking (recall the courageous raid on Ram Lila maidan when unarmed men/women/children congregated with Baba Ramdev. I recall the fury on PC's face when he endorsed that raid). Recall, even MMS said he was outraged and (personally intervened?) when Indian security officials had the audacity to question some TSP RAPE "human rights" activist (which in TSP definition amounts to"extremists on both sides").

Ashwin B · Post by **Ashwin B** » 25 Oct 2012 20:42

CRamS: Here's the article
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/e ... 023194.ece

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Oct 2012 21:08

So there you have it, full of sound and fury at UK for making up with Modi. Leaving aside that India nor Modi should give a rat's arse to UK poodle, but haver seen or heard perverts like her go into a tizzy on US/UK for mollycoddlying TSPA? She and her ilk are beneath contempt.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Oct 2012 22:05

habal wrote:To understand her you need to be part of DB grapevine.

INC has reduced Indian democracy to palce intoruges and rumors and back stabbing those they don't agree with. The outlet for the palace intrigues is the in-crowd journalists who write insider 'reports' from 'sources'.
So the journalists since Nehru's time were part of the Dilli-Billi circuits.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 26 Oct 2012 05:31

Pakistan is the Best in Gender Equality!

Only Islam (sic) is the religion that advocates equality among men and women and grants specific rights to women. Is this another indication that Pakistan is deviating from true Islam?

Pakistan now occupies the last spot in the global gender gap index among the countries of Asia-Pacific region, according to the Global Gender Gap Report 2012 published by the World Economic Forum on Wednesday.

Pakistan lost the 133rd position due to a decline in perceived wage equality. Pakistan lags behind the global average on all the four sub-indexes — economic participation and opportunity, educational attainment, health and survival, and political empowerment. It now occupies the last spot in the region.

Countries such as Iceland, Bolivia, Switzerland, Saudi Arabia, Lesotho, Yemen and others have made much progress relative to their own situation in 2006.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 26 Oct 2012 06:03

Anujan wrote:I am yet to comprehend any article that Jyoti Malhotra has ever written. I have no idea how that lady became a writer.

It's called 'paid content'

Jyoti is past her prime and needs the sponsorship

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Oct 2012 07:16

AoA from the land of plenty. “Yes, the masses listen to the separatists”
State of intelligence

Graffiti in urban centres of Balochistan’s Makran Division has completely changed in two years. “Long live independent Balochistan” and “Down with pro-parliament parties” have replaced pronouncements about separatist leaders being traitors.

All that has changed; the separatists are no longer in hiding. They are, in fact, so visible and strong that now they can force any town to close down whenever they want.

In far-flung rural parts of Makran Division, the separatists are virtually running a parallel government.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Oct 2012 07:21

Our host and friend, journalist Jyoti Malhotra, was visibly squirming because we were getting late for a reception in Amritsar.
She just exploded when an official opened the toilet bag of one of the women parliamentarians, as if suspecting her of trying to smuggle drugs.
"You can't do that! For God's sake, they are parliamentarian guests," she protested.
Jyoti wanted the customs officials to show some courtesy but they were adamant -- as if to prove to us how strong the Indian bureaucracy was.

Jyoti Malhotra is a brainless woman. This is what she said about Sha Rukh Khan's frisking in the USA

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... me-is-khan

Still, the question here is not so much about whether India and Indians should protest formally and informally the US systematic questioning of India's VIPs such as (Shah Rukh Khan, in 2009 and now), frisking and the request to remove shoes, coat, etc (former president Abdul Kalam in 2009) or simply a "pat-down' (former Indian ambassador to the US Meera Shanker last year), but what American protocol expects in return.

Sure, the US has its rules and especially after the 9/11 incidents, some of their immigration procedures border on the offensive. The rest of the world has understood the extraordinary nature of these procedures since 9/11.

How abut "Sure India has its immigration rules and I Jyoti Malhotra, a toothless ranting journalist did not inform the officials in advance and put up a big drama to impress my Paki guests".

The woman is not interested in recalling that Paki diplomats and parliamentarians have actually carried fake currency and a train from shitland at the border recently had drugs and arms - which were blamed on the Indian customs officials by Pakis. Does she seriously believe that the customs and immigration officials are going to take it easy on Pakis because a senile old bag like her has a fit?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Oct 2012 08:23

Vikram Sood makes a pertinent point:

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/misf ... kistan-958

Recent observations on TV by Pakistan’s aspiring Prime Minister, Imran Khan, on the Hamid Mir show, represent this dangerous equivocation. As an Indian I would worry about his reluctance to say, despite being asked repeatedly, that it is wrong for Pakistanis to go across into Afghanistan for jihad. Transferred to the Indian context, it means that he would approve activities of the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba in India assessed by many as the biggest terrorist threat to India. This is the mindset of someone who is described as an emancipated liberal.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 26 Oct 2012 09:10

Who considers Immy an "emancipated liberal"?

Anyways, Vikram Sood's article starts with discussion about Malala. Here are a couple of things related to her:

1. It appears that Rehman Malik has been working very vigorously to make sure that her family members do not travel to be with her in the UK. He is afraid they will claim asylum there. http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... g-Pakistan

2. There is an interview were Malala says (paraphrasing) "Pakistan's foreign policy is enmity with India and that is wrong".

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Oct 2012 09:40

X-posting relevant section from Siachen dhaaga. Article by Gen Katoch. Given that such a well connected person has written this with such certainity, wouldnt bother doubting it:

sum wrote:
A backroom deal has been concluded through questionable intermediaries with close ties to Pakistan.

Since November 2011, militaries of both India and Pakistan have held several rounds of talks to boost confidence-building measures. These meetings were held in Dubai (20-21 November 2011), Bangkok (23-25 February 2012) and Lahore (23-25 September 2012). Additionally, working group meetings took place in Chiang Mai (21 April 2012) and Palo Alto (30-31 July 2012). In the Track 2 round held in Lahore in September 2012, India and Pakistan signed an agreement to demilitarise Siachen despite the grave reservations of some members of the Indian delegation. The members who expressed reservations include a former ambassador, a former intelligence officer and two former officers from the Army and the Navy.

The decision to demilitarise, or rather withdraw from Siachen has been taken arbitrarily at the highest political level disregarding strong objections by successive army chiefs including the current chief, General Bikram Singh. He has even made a statement to the media opposing demilitarisation of the glacier.

The Indian Government briefed the Lahore Track 2 team to keep in mind the Army’s stand that further talks would only be taken up after positions of both sides were authenticated on ground. The Indian Army’s concerns have clearly been ignored. The strategic importance of the Saltoro Ridge, especially in relation to Gilgit-Baltistan, Northern Areas, Shaksgam and Wakhan Corridor has been systematically obfuscated by a Government that retains far too much of power over electronic and print media. The Government has carried out a massive public relations exercise using gullible television channels to transmit the message that Siachen has no strategic significance. At one point, one so-called expert claimed that India holds the Karakoram Pass, which is a blatant lie. National dailies have refused to publish articles highlighting the enormous strategic disadvantage of withdrawing from Siachen. Similarly, this issue has not been debated on national television. There are rumours that the media is muffling any discussion on Siachen on the instructions of the Government.

The selection of Indian delegates who visited Lahore was incongruous. None of them had served in Siachen, not even the six army officers who were part of the delegation. The negotiating team did not bother to visit the conflict zone despite months of parleys with Pakistani officials at beautiful locations. Two former military officers in the delegation are infamous for their political connections. It is rumored that the Air Force four star officer is to be rewarded with an ambassadorship or governorship while the one star army officer is to be given another bag of carrots for towing the official line.
Holy %^#&@

Real sad day indeed. This is active sabotage is nothing else if all that is written is true ( and i cant think of why it will be false)

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Oct 2012 10:03

I am not sure I believe it. Though I have no rose-tinted glasses at the intentions of the current Govt, we are not a banana republic either.

Raksha Mantri had this to say in the Rajya Sabha

Defence minister A K Antony, responding during the debate on defence matters in Rajya Sabha, even went to the extent of saying that nobody should expect dramatic results from the 13 th round of defence secretary-level Siachen talks to be held in Pakistan in the second week of June.

In the last few days, people across (read Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani) are saying we (India) have hardened our position. Some are saying we have softened our position. We are neither hardening, nor softening...We are standing firmly where we were,'' said Antony.

"The two sides have to first agree on authentication of respective troop positions on the 110-km Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) along the Saltoro Ridge, then delineation on map and ground'' and subsequently the final demarcation of the agreed border. It's our long-standing considered position,'' said Antony.

I am not sure if the article you are quoting is from any reputable or credible source. It could even be a Paki plant (along the lines of Obama going to apologize immediately articles that keep popping up). In any case, here is another article:

http://www.firstpost.com/topic/person/a ... 117-1.html

Indian and Chinese authorities have confirmed the existence of an underground UFO base in the Himalayas. Kongka La is the low ridge pass in the Himalayas in the disputed India-China border area in Ladakh. The Chinese held northeastern part is known as Aksai Chin and Indian South West is known as Ladakh. This was where Indian and Chinese army fought major war in 1962. The area is one of the least accessed area in the world and by agreement the two countries do not patrol that part of the border.

http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/37526 ... himalayas/

“India has found an active UFO base in The Himalayas. We are working with China and the U.N. to discuss how to handle this alien incursion,” said Indian Defense Minister, A.K. Antony. “We do not want our people to be alarmed. We are confident we can contain this threat from an alien culture.”

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Oct 2012 10:09

^^ I also do not believe such alarmist articles but the only reason i felt more insecure this time was that the article was from gen.Katoch under his name and not under some "unnamed reporter". Knowing his earlier views and his opinions, have never felt him to be a BS spouting guy.
He has clearly listed each of the interlocutors and their dealings meaning he has good inside knowledge.

So, would be a bit concerned now. Am still hoping that Gen.Katoch got his facts wrong though!!

Link is here:
http://www.niticentral.com/2012/10/indi ... achen.html

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 26 Oct 2012 10:24

A great advertisement for Paki Tourism

Guess what place is hell

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Oct 2012 11:20

pakis have released a list of banned organizations.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/456294/list ... -pakistan/

Surprised that LeT is in there. It has never been formally banned.

partha · Post by **partha** » 26 Oct 2012 12:42

hehe..this is the third review of Aiyaa movie by different people on etribune site

http://tribune.com.pk/story/455177/movi ... m-in-pain/

It looks like all they do is watch Bollywood movies, crib about Bollywood and then watch more Bollywood movies.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 26 Oct 2012 12:48

^^^ Ghazis please note. The writer should be cutletted soon or else Islam will be in danger.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 26 Oct 2012 16:09

partha wrote:hehe..this is the third review of Aiyaa movie by different people on etribune site

http://tribune.com.pk/story/455177/movi ... m-in-pain/

It looks like all they do is watch Bollywood movies, crib about Bollywood and then watch more Bollywood movies.

The fools even watch those movies that we don't even care about. I reckon lot of mediocre directors and scriptwriters of bollywood are doing ok just because of low IQ pakis.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Oct 2012 17:01

For some reason I have seen pakis and their half brothers having khujli about hindi movies. I always insist while discussing with them that they call it hindi film indiustry and not bollywood (rubs them when I never use the word urdu at all) other day a bangladeshi was telling me he never watches bollywood because they are cheap copy of hollywood movies so he prefers to watch original. So my question to him was what is the next best thing after hollywood to watch? In last 50 years has bangladesh produced any movie/ play / song worth noticing? Does not matter if it was a copy or original? he had no answer so I said when you cant produce anything positive there is no room to say negative about any one elses product.

Another side fact is the Daily time of tasser has an entertainment section at the bottom of the front page. I always skim thro it to see whats going on in paki lands other than politics and to date I have never seen any entertainment news related to pakis themselves. Its either holly wood or hindi movies news that are pasted there. (I have been reading that paper for 8 years now) So for a country of 20 crores its a big statement that they cannot produce even 20 word article about themselves that they can consider entertainment.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Oct 2012 17:14

Pakistan's first astronaut wants to make peace in space

Well mam space is peaceful because till now your brothers and sisters havent figured out how to reach there and do a dawah. Hopefully it stays the same

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Oct 2012 17:15

Pakistan shares dossier on Fazlullah with Afghanistan

Either they think dossiers work or they are not serious pick the one you like

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 26 Oct 2012 18:18

Brad-ji, my pick is: "they have no originality and are just aping the yindoos".