Bharat Rakshak

Andhra Pradesh may become a Christian majority state if the current spree of mass conversion continues.

One of the most powerful men behind the conversions in Andhra Pradesh is the missionary, Mr. D. Ron Watts, a Canadian, who heads the Southern Asia Division of the Seventh-day Adventist church. Mr. Ron Watts is famous for his ‘cluster bombing churches’ with his $10 church programmes. Dorothy Watts, an American, and wife of Ron Watts manages the US finances for the mass conversion programme in India, and Andhra Pradesh in particular. They both have a well-organized network in India, which has the support of the local politiciansas well as his cohorts. It seems that their work became much easier due to official help rendered by Y Samuel Rajasekhara Reddy’s Government. Conversion activity suddenly increased as soon as Congress Government under the leadership of Sonia Gandhi assumed power at Federal Government. .


Here's the latest report where Mr. D. Ron Watts accepts that 600,000 people have been converted ever since he assumed charge as president:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2004-1533/news.html

"In 1998 the Southern Asia Division had a reported 225,000 members. Today, Ron Watts, president of the Southern Asia Division, estimates that the numbers reach 825,000."


In the third article of this bulletin, one will find a photo and report on the 1,119 Conversions in Tanuku village conducted by foreigners under the leadership of Mrs. Dorothy Watts:
http://www.adventistreview.org/2002-1511/news.html

The following report and picture by Mrs. Dorothy Watts will help confirm the truth that foreigners are involved in conversion which is against their visa status.
http://www.adventistreview.org/2001-1515/story1.html

The following report shows the photo of mass conversion under the leadership of D. Ron Watts in Andhra Pradesh. Though India gained Independence in 1947 many haven’t forgotten their obsession for white people (also called ‘Gora Sahib’). It also shows how foreign missionaries, who come on tourist visas/business visas are glorified on pandals:

http://www.global-mission.org/htdocs/co ... ndia4.html

Here is another report and photos of 1,100 people are
getting converted by foreign lady missionaries in Andhra Pradesh:

http://news.adventist.org//data/2002/02 ... ex.html.en

Photos of village people in Andhra Pradesh, being brought in for conversion in a tractor, and foreign missionaries:

http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1542/story2.html

Look at the Photos in Guntur, Andhra Pradesh. This is how the foreigners bribe poor pastors with motorbikes for catching people for conversions. Naturally, the pastors tempted to convert :

http://www.adventistreview.org/2000-1542/story2-1.html

Please read this report by a foreign missionary couple of their successes in Andhra Pradesh:

http://www.willplan.org/india_evangelism.html

Photos of mass conversion and a report by a foreign missionary lady in Andhra Pradesh:
http://www.kathyschallert.com/india.html

A few weeks ago, D. Ron Watts told a meeting in America that Maranatha international was very helpful to his activities. Here is the link: http://news.adventist.org/data/2004/09/ ... ex.html.en

This article under the sub-title 'Southern Asia Division' reports that 15,632 people had been converted during the 2nd quarter of 2003.
http://www.adventistreview.org/2003-154 ... etary.html

Who says Maoists are atheists?

Sonia Gandhi’s Christian lobby and Nepali Maoists have become hotbeds of Christian activities, Sandhya Jain in the Daily Pioneer newspaper rightly said: "While second-in-command Baburam Bhattarai and his family are openly Christian, Prachanda does not proclaim his religious affiliations but his wife's entire family is Christian. His guru, Chandra Pradesh Gajurel, was a Christian preacher. Sources estimate that the 42,000-strong Maoist army would be 30 per cent Christian, but the cadre are kept in the dark that the top leadership is predominantly Christian." The question is, how did Nepal's news media miss this undoutedly a big story?

RamaY wrote:

vijayk wrote: Forget development. But but but the villains in the telugu movies speak Telangana accent. You people are all bad people.

In 1970s the villans were from Andhra (remember Rao Gopala Rao, Prabhakar Reddy, Satya Narayana etc?)
Then it changed to Rayala Seema (faction villians)
Now it is Telangana turn, I guess (haven't seen any telugu movies recently)

That sadi, didn't we ask for equal development in all regions

On my visits to Hyderabad, my hometown, I often find myself looking for a CD or DVD of an old, forgotten Telugu movie
called Maa Bhoomi. Though I come across a lot of old stuff going back to the '50s and '60s, I have never been lucky
enough to lay my hands on this relatively recent 1979 movie.

The sudden announcement of the process of forming Telangana state has, however, raised hopes in me that my search for Maa Bhoomi might end soon. In more than one sense, given that Maa Bhoomi means "Our Land" and I am a native of the Telangana region.

Since a major component of the campaign for Telangana statehood was to give our distinct culture the space that is due to it, I am optimistic that Maa Bhoomi, the first and probably the only ever feature film to be made completely in our dialect, will be back in circulation. Whatever little Telangana heritage is available in celluloid form would anyway be precious to us and should now be in greater demand than ever before.

Much of the psychological gains I made from Maa Bhoomi, however, came unstuck a year later when T Anjaiah, a quintessential Telangana speaker, became chief minister of Andhra Pradesh in 1980 and triggered a whole lot of jokes about our dialect. There was a veritable industry of "Anjaiah jokes" - much in the manner in which a decade later the peculiar dialogue delivery of a yesteryears Hindi film villain from Hyderabad sparked off "Ajit jokes" across the country.

Telugu cinema reflected this bias most blatantly as its heroes and heroines invariably and unmistakably spoke the coastal dialect. If the Telangana dialect made it to those films at all, it was heard from the mouths of villains or comedians.

Airavat wrote:Economic case for small states

Is there an economic case for carving smaller states out of large ones? Some analysts say small states won’t be economically viable. Others believe small states will fare better, since ordinary people will have better access to power elites. Consider the record of three states carved out of larger ones in 2000 — Jharkhand , Chhattisgarh and Uttarakhand.

Amazingly, all three new states have grown fabulously fast. Uttarakhand has averaged 9.31% growth annually, Jharkhand 8.45%, and Chattisgarh 7.35%. Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh were the most backward parts of Bihar and Madhya Pradesh, which in turn were among the most backward states of India. Yet, after becoming separate states, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh have emerged as industrial dynamos. When they were part of larger states, their mineral revenues were diverted to state capitals. This diversion
ended after they became separate states.

Looking at the share of income that originates in the manufacturing sector, these two states have shown higher levels than Maharashtra , Haryana and Tamil Nadu.... Raipur in Chhattisgarh has now entered the top 10 districts of India in manufacturing, with two industrial estates at Urla and Siltara.

RayC wrote:

chetak wrote:
The YSR racket had already reached critical mass long ago, even before the elections.

Jagan and his shady supporters would have hotfooted their way out and off the reservation.

They don't need the the congress, the congress very badly needs them.

The delhi rani would have faced similar guerrilla action from other states and her hope would remain uncrowned.



Quite right. There are some things more important to Rajmata than even the promotion of EJ-ism; namely, securing the gaddi for Yuvraj and eliminating all potential threats and challengers. Those who gain too much local power and demonstrate either genuine leadership qualities or a streak of independent thought somehow end up out of the way.

Also consider the fact that the delhi rani and the YSR racket are on the opposite extremes of the EJ spectrum.

No love lost between the vatican and the protestant lot.

From global actions so far, the vatican are strategic plyers and the protestants are tactical players.

The vatican is better organised than even the pentagon and has been so for centuries.

Exciting thoughts.

A better job done by you than the RAW and IB.

Sure it is a religious conspiracy? I am sure you cannot divulge your source since it is an undercover job.

Thanks.

How many Christians dotting the Telegana and AP horizon? Nasty chaps, what? The non Christians are not involved? If so, good guys they are. And if they are, have they been bought or dulled with alcohol? Hopefully Scotch and not the local hooch, gurumba!

Check out if Prachanda of Nepal is also a Vatican plant supporting Communist China, hated by the Vatican!!

That will be a great help to India.

Thanks in anticipation!

RayC wrote:I don't doubt what you say.

But is it only the Christians who want Telengana as what I could make out from your post?

The others don't want it?

I may not have a long association with AP as you, no doubt, but I have 'toured' Telegana including confronting PWG. I have seen the villages too.

My meagre experience indicated that the people were not too elated with their existence and they were not Christians either.

So proof is required if one is to feel it is a conspiracy hatched by Sonia G and the Christian conglomerate.

If it is and you have proof, then it should be exposed.

But when straws in the wind is cast, it does not appear fair.

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Hari Seldon wrote:
sanjay choudhary saab,

Not that I disagree with the motives part of your theory, but some factoids do not add up. YSR's son YS Jagan is himself a preacher - as EJ as you can get. There was hajaar clamor to get YSJ into power by INC workers after YSR's passing away. Why did rajmata not put him on the saddle and continue the aggressive ej program you refer to? Just wondering only.

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RayC wrote:OK.

I see the point.

Gujarat continues to march ahead of other states in terms of industrial activities and setting up of industrial projects in the state, a senior industry department official claimed, quoting figures given by the Central government in the Rajya Sabha.
...
From April 2008 to March 2009, a total of 1,833 industrial projects in the country were granted environmental clearance by the ministry, out of which 401 projects (the highest from any state) were from Gujarat, he added.

As per the state-wise figures, 401 projects were from Gujarat alone, while Andhra Pardesh was second with 184 projects being given the clearance by the ministry.

{ha ha ha - BRF members who talked about Chidambaram as the instigator are not that off the mark as some super-sensitive-BRF members alleged.}

SwamyG wrote:

{ha ha ha - BRF members who talked about Chidambaram as the instigator are not that off the mark as some super-sensitive-BRF members alleged.}

Except that expert BRF members claimed other reasons. I can remember - owner's pride neighbor's pride ithiyadi. So you would be on the mark or even near the mark only if the reasons align. Obviously he is going to be in the thick of things. We throw hazaar darts and when few finds the mark, we start ......

RamaY wrote:From today's Andhra Bhoomi 12/21

GOI is trying to split the state into 3 parts.
1. Greater Hyderabad - Process initiated to include more villages into new Greater Hyderabad state.
2. Telangana State - Senior IAS officers are asked to prepare details on the state formation process
3. Kosta-Andhra state - Includes Coasta and Rayalaseema states.

“Doctrine of Mandate” is losing its prominence in our constitutional system. Few people are becoming the representatives of public opinion by doing fasts and organizing few meetings. If this trend continues, the whole process of “people electing their representatives” will become useless.

It is the fundamental right of the citizens to decide whether to unite multiple states into one or divide an existing one in to separate states. Since people cannot do it without referendum, the “representatives of people” are expected to do this on their behalf. In the current system, the “representatives of people” are getting elected every 5 years, based on their promises to the electorate. Our constitution did not detail the process on how these elected representatives are supposed to do, when issues of importance outside their election manifesto appear. Are they supposed to reconfirm with the electorate? If so, how they are supposed to do it?

In the absence of such clear process in the constitution, the elected representatives are presenting their own opinions as public opinion for 5 years, even when the issue at hand is clearly outside their election manifesto. In the process everyone is forgetting the fundamental principle of “Doctrine of Mandate”.

The doctrine of mandate defines that the elected representatives do not have the right to thrust their opinion on the electorate with regards to any issue that is out of their election manifest. For example it is said that Dr. Babu Rajendra Prasad reminded Pt. Javaharlal Nehru about this principle w.r.t the much debated Hindu Civil Act in 1950s.

RamaY wrote:From today's Andhra Bhoomi 12/21

GOI is trying to split the state into 3 parts.
1. Greater Hyderabad - Process initiated to include more villages into new Greater Hyderabad state.
2. Telangana State - Senior IAS officers are asked to prepare details on the state formation process
3. Kosta-Andhra state - Includes Coasta and Rayalaseema states.

SwamyG wrote:Rama garu:
So I will claim, India will onlee because of Sachin Tendulkar as he will score triple-century; but then India wins not because Sachin scores triple-century but takes 10 wickets in each innings. Yeah surely it works.

Its campaign was boosted when ministers said they would allow a new southern state of Telangana earlier this month.

Gorkha volunteers ended a protest fast ahead of the talks.

This followed an appeal by India's Home Minister, P Chidambaram.

The government was represented by Indian Home Secretary GK Pillai and West Bengal Chief Secretary Asok Mohan Chakrabarti in the tri-partite talks.

"We have said that the next round of talks should be political, it should involve the Indian home minister and the state chief minister and we are hopeful this will happen," said GJM general secretary Roshan Giri after the talks.

Mr Pillai said he had agreed to "forward" the GJM's request for political talks to the "appropriate level".

Even as the talks were taking place in Darjeeling, Bengali groups who oppose the Gorkha campaign were setting up roadblocks on the road to Darjeeling that passes through the plains of north Bengal.

A day-long strike called by them paralysed life in the northern Bengal town of Siliguri and areas around it.

Passions are running high amongst the Gorkhas in the hills and the Bengalis in the plains over the proposed state of Gorkhaland.

All major political parties in the state also oppose the move.

But the GJM and other Gorkha groups say they will not rest until a separate state is created for them.

However, there is no indication that either the Indian government or that of West Bengal will accept the demand for a separate Gorkha state.

"All such contentious issues can be resolved by discussions. But nobody should try to impose their agenda on the others," Indian Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has said.

West Bengal Chief Minister Buddhadev Bhattacharya has said the government was willing to give "more autonomy" to Darjeeling.

"But a separate Gorkhaland is out of the question," he said.

The Gorkhas in Darjeeling ran a long campaign for a separate state in the 1980s but then settled for considerable autonomy.

But now their leaders say the autonomy deal has not worked and they blame the Left coalition government of West Bengal for its failure.

RamaY wrote:From today's Andhra Bhoomi 12/21

GOI is trying to split the state into 3 parts.
1. Greater Hyderabad - Process initiated to include more villages into new Greater Hyderabad state.
2. Telangana State - Senior IAS officers are asked to prepare details on the state formation process
3. Kosta-Andhra state - Includes Coasta and Rayalaseema states.

ShyamSP wrote:Jokes apart, Hyderabad that is built on sweat and money of Telugus cannot be taken away. Taking away Hyderabad by making it UT/state is also killing Telugu economic interests. If that is the case Centre needs to pay fair money to Telugu people on both sides so money can be used to invest in interior development.

vera_k wrote: What is the legal position on this - can affected people take KCR Rao or GoI to court asking for financial compensation of losses that are incurred due to the division of the state?

The Supreme Court judgment was nullified by an Act of Parliament, and a Six Point formula was drafted guaranteeing “adequate preference to local candidates in admissions to educational institutions” but “subject to the requirements of the State as a whole”. Similarly, local candidates would be preferred “to specified extent in the matter of direct recruitment for certain posts”. A tribunal was to be constituted to deal with grievances regarding appointments, seniority and promotion.

Rain-fed regions, highly dependent on groundwater, have seen a spurt in suicides by farmers. Lift irrigation is the only way to utilise river waters fully. Geography has been unfair to Telangana, and negligence by successive governments has added to the problem.

Yet, the Telangana movement today is not driven by economic grievances alone. It is about a people whose identity has been eroded by dominant narratives. Beyond the many misgivings is a culture smarting from decades of perceived insult. The Telangana tongue has been reduced to a deviation from the “purer” Telugu. Telugu cinema’s classic theme of “Telangana villain versus Andhra (lately even Rayalaseema) hero” has made a parody of the region’s culture. The demand is as much for recognition as it is for separation.

In New Delhi, Congress MP K. Sambasiv Rao said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had promised a decision by tomorrow to “bring everything in order” in Andhra Pradesh.

Rao, who was part of a delegation of 10 MPs from Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra that met Singh today, said the Centre wanted to have a re-look at the problems of all three regions.

“It is possible only through revival of the regional committees to look into irrigation, health, education, social welfare, agriculture and industrial development of all three regions once again,” he said.

The move could help buy peace in the three regions, especially coastal Andhra Pradesh.
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Stan_Savljevic wrote:Can the reverse also be done? Can the "people of coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema" be taken to court for perceived "victimisation?"

vera_k wrote: I haven't heard of any collective "people" being taken to court. But the persons or institutions that took actions that caused demonstrable harm would be liable, yes.

Stan_Savljevic wrote:If harm can be demonstrated in one direction, lack of social and economic progress over the last sixty years is not harm enough?!