Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

[shiv]

Pervez Hoodbhoy is further 'pole kholo andolan' todin.

Bismillah farmaiye:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7vdDJPX9pU&NR=1

And he adds that the tanzeems are still strong in Pakistan, he refuses to compare RSS in India with LET etc.

One nugget: In the 2005 earthquake, the Jihadis were the ones who pulled the army wallahs out of the destroyed buildings.

On a serious note: He talks of an incident on the nuclear command and control at Sargodha and at other places.

Gurus and readers, please enlighten us about the incident at Sargodha.

Gagan that video is 9 minutes long and Hudoodbhoy has to beat about the bush and struggle for words when he talks about jihadis - so could you say exactly at which time point he says that. This is a request to all people who post videos. Also posting an Urdu video is understandable by perhaps 30-40% of Indian viewers - so it is particularly important that we don't have to read whole Quran to find out where the real gyan is.

Although I would give myself only 5 on 10 for understanding colloquial urdu - a translation is useful because I can use video to put subtitles in English and re post where the information is useful.

[pgbhat]

Iran offers Pakistan $100m more in aid

On Saturday, the head of Iran's Red Crescent Society (IRCS) announced that the society is ready to set up at least ten more relief camps to shelter people in the flood-stricken areas of Pakistan.

“Since the first days of flooding in Pakistan, IRCS has dispatched aid for the flood-stricken people of Pakistan in 13 aid packages and has set up three relief camps in Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan Provinces,” Faqih said.

Faqih said the IRCS has sent almost 1,000 tons of aid in the form of food and medicine as well as medical workers and doctors to Pakistan.


Earlier on Sunday, Supervisor of Imam Khomeini Relief Foundation Hossein Anvari, declared the coming Thursday as the 'Solidarity Day' with the flood-stricken people of Pakistan.

[negi]

Shiv for RSS point watch from 02:45 minute onwards, one has to concede Pervez has lot of gall to say that in Baki media. In fact he went on to say that 'Kashimir' is just an 'ostensible' cause and it is well know that their main aim is to destroy India. He says BB, Badmash and Musharraf all have tried to use the Jihadis against India (he mentions 'funds/chanda' being collected from every businessman/shop keeper for J.e.M/L.e.T and othersin the name of kashmir' and that this was very much overt campaign before the 09/11 when every nukkad/street and Uty campus had anti India banners ). He also says that contrary to Musharraf's claims that he would 'exterminate' the Jihadis, today they are powerful and autonomous entities.

[Vivek_A]

Raja Bose.

The position of Mr Shrill is taken..unfortunately(for him)..

I posted an article from the nutty nation a few months ago...Shrill's crack reporting team reported that blackwater operatives got into a car crash with Mr Shrill...

[shiv]

Shiv for RSS point watch from 02:45 minute onwards, one has to concede Pervez has lot of gall to say that in Baki media. In fact he went on to say that 'Kashimir' is just an 'ostensible' cause and it is well know that their main aim is to destroy India. He says BB, Badmash and Musharraf all have tried to use the Jihadis against India (he mentions 'funds/chanda' being collected from every businessman/shop keeper for J.e.M/L.e.T and others for this in the name of kashmir' and that this was very much overt before the 09/11 when every nukkad/street and Uty campus had anti India banners ). He also says that contrary to Musharraf's claims that he would 'exterminate' the Jihadis they today are powerful and autonomous entities.

Thanks. The "Nuclear incident" at Sargodha comes a few seconds after 6min 30 seconds. He says that it involved a "major" and some word that I cannot follow.

Yes I heard the "chanda" bit. Does "Chanda" refer to silver (literally) and actually mean funds? That would be one answer to Sadler's question about how people contributed to jihadi organizations whose poster existed on every street and even in University campuses.

I think that India needs to be absolutely clear headed and say without takleef, embarassment or sensitivity that Pakistan is clearly following an anti-Hindu path much like Hitler followed an anti-semitic path. Why should Indian fear that Indian Muslims will object if India pointed out Pakistan's clear anti-Hindu stance. Perhaps Indian authorities fear a "Hindu backlash" in india if the government says the obvious out loud.

Maybe I should start collecting information about Pakistan's deliberate anti-Hindu stance.

[negi]

Thanks. The "Nuclear incident" at Sargodha comes a few seconds after 6min 30 seconds. He says that it involved a "major" and some word that I cannot follow.

Yes the news anchor asks him about safety of Baki nukes citing claims made by "Samarkand' and the fact that they were under the army's control, PH replies with the incident where a Pak Army major had planned and facilitated attacks in Sargodha, he concludes stating that since there are 'rogue' elements in the army there is a question mark on safety of Pak nukes.

Yes I heard the "chanda" bit. Does "Chanda" refer to silver (literally) and actually mean funds?

'Chanda' is a colloquial term for 'cash' collected for a 'cause', in desh we use term 'Chanda' to refer to amount collected for organizing 'festivals' and such.

[Raghavendra]

Dialogue with Pakistan is useless — and an end in itself http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/comment ... lf_1437066

[Prem]

Poakistan: Now or Never?
http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2010/ ... democracy/
few "Pakistani" Nuggets fresh out of Musharraf.

Pakistan, India and the value of democracy

Pakistan, probably more than India, has an acute historical sense of itself as a country set up to promote social and economic justice. Its ideological father, the poet-philosopher Muhammad Iqbal, was convinced that social democracy would never work in a Hindu-dominated caste-based India and that only in a separate Muslim nation could the egalitarian principles of Islam be put into practice.
“It is clear to my mind that if Hinduism accepts social democracy, it must cease to be Hinduism,” he wrote in a letter to Pakistan’s founder, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in 1937. “For Islam, the acceptance of social democracy in some suitable form and consistent with the legal principles of Islam is not a revolution but a return to the original purity of Islam.” ( Original Purity process going on now)
His ideas, however, were rooted in the idealism of the early 20th century, when sweeping change from communism to fascism was promoted to build a fairer society. Consider, for example, the following comments he made in a letter in 1933 in answer to a query from a scholar about Islamic economics. ”I would suggest that you should make careful study of the ideas of Mussolini,” he wrote. ”The essence of Islamic Economics is to render the growth of large capitals impossible. Mussolini and Hitler think in the same way. Bolshevism has gone to the extreme of abolishing capitalism altogether. In all aspects of life, Islam always takes the middle course.”
He was not alone in admiring the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini – even British wartime leader Winston Churchill once spoke warmly of him. But while the horrors of World War Two convinced western Europe to abandon grand plans and get on with the muddled and sometimes unsatisfying business of democracy, Pakistan has retained a tendency to look for an all-encompassing solution to its problems. Sometimes that has meant looking to military rule; at others to a strict interpretation of Islam

[negi]

^ Excellent if someone is to use "Arundhati Roy's' take on democracy and economy in India then obviously even Somalia would look like a better country in that regards.

[Muppalla]

'Chanda' is a colloquial term for 'cash' collected for a 'cause', in desh we use term 'Chanda' to refer to amount collected for organizing 'festivals' and such.

Fund raising is exact meaning for "Chandaa". This is the sameword used in Hindi and even Telugu.

[Raghavendra]

Justice Waqar is a Blackwater agent

Man arrested for marrying step sister in Pakistan

Pakistani police have arrested a man in Punjab province for allegedly marrying his step-sister and booked the couple the Hudood Ordinance, a controversial Islamic law.

The incident occurred in Kasur district, located 50 km from Lahore.

Police arrested Muhammad Younus on the orders of the Lahore High Court.

Justice Waqar Hasan Mir yesterday ordered the district police chief to register a case under the Hudood Ordinance against Younus and his step-sister Uzma for getting married.

The judge also directed police to register cases against Younus's parents Hanifa Bibi and Liaquat Ali.

"We have arrested Younus and are conducting raids to arrest his parents and Uzma," a police official said.

Under the Hudood Ordinance, persons found guilty of having an illicit relationship can be punished whipping with 100 lashes.

Uzma's father Muhammad Akbar said his wife Hanifa Bibi, in connivance with her former husband Liaquat Ali and son Younus, got Uzma "illegally" detained in a women's home after marrying her off to Younus.

"Uzma and Younus are step-brother and step-sister and cannot get married to each other under Islamic laws. Younus committed a sin and must be punished under the Hudood laws," he said.

After receiving a DNA test report which established that Uzma was related to Younus, the judge disposed of a petition filed by Uzma's father with directions to the police to proceed against Younus and his parents in accordance with the law.

He also directed police to register a case against Younus and Uzma under the Hudood law.

The controversial Hudood Ordinance, which many describe as a black law, was introduced during the regime of late military ruler Gen Zia-ul-Haq.

Some of its clauses were repealed during former dictator Gen Pervez Musharraf's rule in 2006.

[Prem]

PM urges international community for more help

JAMPUR: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said that Pakistan was not seeking economic assistance from the international community by using floods as a pretext.
Gilani, while talking to media representatives in Jampur on Sunday, appealed to the international community to help Pakistan in these difficult times.The floods were a large scale tragedy and assistance from international community can help meet the challenges, he added.Gilani said that Pakistan was facing the history's worst floods at a time when it was fighting the war against terrorism as a frontline state.“This is a war for peace and development of the world, and Pakistan was determined to confront terrorism,” he added.The premier while visiting the flood-hit areas said that Jampur was like his home as he possessed land there.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... elp--bi-04

[shravan]

Iran offers Pakistan $100m more in aid

Iranian First Vice President Mohammad-Reza Rahimi says Iran has allocated $100 million worth of humanitarian aid for the flood-hit people of Pakistan.

Ayatollah Khamenei described the flood disaster in Pakistan as the "most urgent" issue of the Muslim world.

[Juggi G]

edited.

[Dilbu]

^^
I am not sure this post belongs to TSP thread.

[shiv]

post deleted

[Anujan]

I wont spoil this for you folks. Have a look-see at this tweet:

http://twitter.com/PakConsulate/statuses/24349456475

[Gagan]

Another Dawn documentary, this time on the 1965 war. Another set of 'pole kholo aandolan'

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXB-iVcC ... re=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhkiqtt ... re=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yotJV7Ay ... re=related

Signs of Kargil, and similarity to current situation.
Can this go in the know your pakistan section at the begining of the TSP thread?

[Sri]

AQ Khan Interview

Boy he can lie with a straight face.

[Venkarl]

I wont spoil this for you folks. Have a look-see at this tweet:

http://twitter.com/PakConsulate/statuses/24349456475

wtf? towels?

[Mauli]

AQ Khan Interview

Boy he can lie with a straight face.

He is really pissed-off with Gola. Says that "Mush ki kya aukaat thee, Jab aaya tha sirf Major tha, meri gaadi ka darwaja kholta tha".

[Sri]

I wont spoil this for you folks. Have a look-see at this tweet:

http://twitter.com/PakConsulate/statuses/24349456475

wtf? towels?

We used to have a vibrant Towel thread here on BRF... Now this belongs to Pjitibe Newj thread... lol

[Dilbu]

Five dead in Karachi firing incidents

KARACHI: At least four people including a political worker were killed and three others injured in firing incidents in various areas of the city, Geo News reported Monday.

According to police sources, Asif, 25, was killed in Gulzar Colony area of Korangi. The deceased was a political worker.

At least three people were killed in firing incidents in Ram Swami , Shoe Market and Usmanabad.

[kenop]

Five dead in Karachi firing incidents

KARACHI: At least four people including a political worker were killed and three others injured in firing incidents in various areas of the city, Geo News reported Monday.

According to police sources, Asif, 25, was killed in Gulzar Colony area of Korangi. The deceased was a political worker.

At least three people were killed in firing incidents in Ram Swami , Shoe Market and Usmanabad.

Have to be the djinns. The place is considered to be haunted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPeH0-ovU8&feature=related

[krisna]

Six weeks on, south Pakistan faces new flood threat

As floodwaters make their way to the Arabian Sea, new towns in Sindh province are being inundated as embankments constructed to protect cities and towns in the traditional flood plains are now channelling water into new areas, including Lake Manchar.

Our entire concentration is now on Dadu district as the water is just a few inches from overtopping the Manchar Lake that could threaten many towns," Additional Relief Commissioner, Riaz Ahmed Soomro, told Reuters.
Officials say several towns around the lake including Bhon and Jhingira are in danger of inundation, threatening an estimated 250,000 people.

still some flooding going on in south sindh.
lake Manchar is >500sq km and currently at 36.27 m, just 60 cms before it starts to flood.

[Dilbu]

We have to start taking these claims of 400% flooding with the mandatory pinch of salt, as is the norm with all other paki claims. They will do anything to keep aid money flowing.

[Lalmohan]

i think the flooding has been grossly overhyped
the few areas where there was a calamaity have been royally kanadian vijja'ed by the pak state cronies for their own various scams

[krisna]

Pakistan floods: Root cause is not an yindian conspiracy

Allah blessing

This monsoon season the upland areas of Pakistan received fantastic amounts of rainfall, with four months worth of rain falling in just a couple of days. Some areas in Northern Pakistan received more than three times their annual rainfall in a mere 36 hours. Under such extraordinary circumstances, floods were inevitable.

bakistan's geography- also allah's blessing

The Indian monsoon winds can be viewed as a giant sea-breeze with ocean moisture sucked in by rising hot air over the South Asian plains. It is also influenced by large scale weather patterns such as the jet stream. Located approximately on the Tibetan plateau it consists of warm equatorial air which, after rising and flowing pole-ward for about 10 to 15 kilometres, descends on the subtropical areas to flow back towards the equator. This jet stream wobbles north and south as it flows around the Northern Hemisphere, and as it shifts, it drags the weather systems along.
This year, meteorologists noticed a change in the normal behavior of the jet stream. In mid-July, the jet stream came to a halt as a consequence of the 'blocking' effect of Rossby Waves which were, for some reason, stronger than the jet stream. The blocking event coincided with the summer monsoon, which brought unusually heavy amounts of rain on the mountains that girdle the north of Pakistan. Gushing quickly down the tributaries into the Indus River the rain waters gave rise to floods of catastrophic proportions.

This could technically be yindian cospiracjee as it yindian monsoon onlee and not baki monsoon.

RAPEs conspiracy against mango bakis

Rivers are essentially channels to drain out water. Being one of the largest rivers of the world, Indus should have been able to carry out the excess waters into the sea. Why couldn't the river flush out the excess waters? This is where human intervention - in terms of poor water resource planning and infrastructure development - played an important role in exacerbating the floods.

To increase the area under irrigation, in recent decades more and more waters of the Indus River have been diverted into nearby farms. Many of these farms are owned by the richer farmers who have, with state support and over the years, built levees or embankments along the river to protect their farms from the occasional floods. These water infrastructures hold the key to understanding the mechanics of the Indus floods.

Engineers and water planners, experts who build these infrastructures, however, plan for only water. There is poor consideration for the sediment load that gets carried within the banks of the river channel.

Indeed over two thirds of the Indus flow is diverted for irrigation.

(punjab and sindh-the Indus plains))

With funding from external development agencies, a series of barrages have been built along the hill slopes to prevent their waters(tributaries of Indus) reaching the Indus. Many of these barrages added waters to the already inflated Indus and contributed to further worsening of the flood situation.

what does media say and so do many others among mango men

A popular view circulating in the media is that the loss of lives and livelihoods was due to the encroachment of the river bed by the poor.

a large number of indigenous communities lived in and around the Indus river bed - in the Kachha (or the fragile or wet land), the Baet (the doab or the mound between two permanent river branches) and the Pakka lands (or the firmer ground). Some of these communities are unrecognised containing no proof of identity as legal citizens of Pakistan. Over years of living with the river, these communities developed finely-tuned understanding of how the river behaves, how the floodwaters rise and fall, and which wrinkles on the land they flow through. With their lives at stake, over many generations of living and coping with the changing moods of the river, they had developed a close knowledge of the river's rise and fall and are always at high level of alertness. But, the extraordinary downpours, the sudden rise of the waters, the lack of warning and the unpredictable movements of rushing floodwaters through the breaches in the embankments have made all that irrelevant this year. In deep frustration, Imdad Khan, an old farmer of Baet Morjhangi, commented that: "The Sindhu broke its old agreements with us" (as quoted by Ahsan Wagha). The catastrophic inundations, however, were not only partially caused by human folly, which was not committed by the biraderi (clan/community) to which Imdad belongs, but of people who had never lived in the Indus valley.

bigger than tsunami

Although in numbers of dead the disaster that has hit the nation is smaller than the Asian Tsunami, the scale of human suffering, particularly during the post-flood times, and the magnitude of the nearly impossible task of rebuilding innumerable livelihoods is far greater than it.

fault of the RAPEs onlee not of nature
of course the sdre omitted the deforestation and cutting of trees in the upper parts of Indus river system
but TSP will denies this because it is written by sdre only.

[krisna]

now Indus is moving towards yindia?

f we believe the third eye in the sky, the American satellites - Terra and Aqua's -recent data, history is repeating itself in the form of river Indus which is once again changing its course and is moving towards Kutch.
History says that the course of the river had earlier changed due to a major earthquake that took place on June 16, 1819 at 4pm. The Indus, which used to flow by Kutch's Lakhpat port, changed its course due to the tectonic movements and inched closer to Pakistan, around 125 km southeast of Karachi, flowing downwards to meet the Arabian Sea while it moved 150km northwest from the Lakhpat port.

The satellite images presented show that a new course has developed to the south of Kalri lake in Thatta district of Pakistan.

New courses have developed to the south of Kalri lake one of which has reached 60 km northwest of Lakhpat to the Sir Creek while the second is 56 km north of Lakhpat near Jati in Pakistan Kalri or Keenjhar lake is a fresh water lake in Pakistan which plays a substantial ecological role in the functioning of the Indus river basin.

A few posts above recall that Lake manchar or Keenjhar is nearing danger mark.

[Lalmohan]

unrecognised containing no proof of identity as legal citizens of Pakistan

do they mean stateless actor's reservoir?
or do they mean haris and 'bhangis' who don't deserve TFTA papers?

[krisna]

The 'tragi-terror' that is Pakistan

some quotable quotes-

Pakistan is today the international equivalent of a Monty Python sketch on the lines of the Dead Parrot. You can almost hear John Cleese belt out. "This is not a country, it's an ex-nation. It has gone to meet its maker. Pakistan is pushing up the daisies. It is no more. The country has kicked the bucket ..." The situation is beyond hopeless and has done the full loop from fear and terror to comedy and then all the way back to farcical incompetence.
on dus percenti-"as a man possessed, who cares nothing for the torrents at home".

Most recently, the floods that inundated the country laid bare its multiple weaknesses, including:
# A government ridden with corruption and incompetence.
# Political leadership that is the very definition of sclerotic.
# An army that is chiefly concerned with its own ends.
# A people who are incapable of looking past petty differences at a time of national need.

civilian govt and dus percenti receiving flak, but what about TSPA

However, a large part of this popularity may have been ill-deserved as a New York Times investigation found a number of instances of the army making the flood situation worse by diverting waters away from its bases towards previously unaffected areas; but also indulging in media manipulation to ensure that politicians continued to bear the brunt of criticism as a "soft" target.

Protecting the airbase in jacobabad where the newest shiny soolah toys were parked. They broke the embankments and allowed water to flow to baluchistan. However with continued flooding they were flown to sumangali air base in quetta.

The answer came in evasive, fragmented sentences: there was an airbase on the Sindhi side of the highway. This was where the military's newest F-16 fighter jets were parked. But local residents believed that the base also housed the notorious American drones used to kill Islamist militants in the mountains. If true, this meant that the military was getting tens of millions of dollars a year in exchange, none of which trickled down to the local population.
The armed forces were going to save the base at all costs, he explained. But they didn't want to draw attention to their own role - or to their interest - in the diversion of the water. Hence the presence of the land-owning politician; if there was any fallout, he would take the blame, and the soldiers would appear to have acted on his personal wishes.
... The policeman said that when he arrived the landlord and an army major were standing on the highway and supervising the giant excavators making the breach. But the policeman and his commissioner had pleaded with them to stop. And another tribal chieftain-turned-politician from an endangered village on the dry side had appeared with his armed guards and joined the commotion.
"It was turning into a fight between the provinces," said the policeman darkly. "But then, I asked the major, 'Are you from the Pakistani army or the Sindh army?' And that shook him. He understood what I was saying. He apologized and withdrew the excavators." what is the significance of this statement that made the soldier change his way
... In the morning, we were told to get out of the town.
The soldiers had made the breach after all: but in another location, and quietly, without arousing suspicion . The water was on its way.

Much of Balochistan is already embroiled in a separatist revolt, and Jamali warned that the latest careless treatment by the government would only worsen the popular mood. "A Baloch does not forget what happens to him," he said.

Flood relief- minorities like ahmediaya community not given, so also about Hindus, christians and other minorities.

A hybrid term such as "tragi-terror" may describe such countries that, in exporting terror to the rest of the world, merely end up blowing their own people sky high .

near future predictions

A cycle of violence towards minorities and brinkmanship with neighbors such as Afghanistan and India will inevitably follow from an army takeover of the government. Disenfranchised once again, the troubled youth of Pakistan will turn increasingly towards terror networks as a means to hit back at the army and the rest of the country.

America's leaders have been distracted by political issues at home and thus far this year been focused on debates around the country's strategy with respect to Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan; despite the fact that none of these countries presents a credible threat to the rest of the world.
The real threat is Pakistan, and it remains largely ignored by America and Europe.

Is the author panda or an sdre??

[Venkarl]

'Chanda' is a colloquial term for 'cash' collected for a 'cause', in desh we use term 'Chanda' to refer to amount collected for organizing 'festivals' and such.

Fund raising is exact meaning for "Chandaa". This is the sameword used in Hindi and even Telugu.

Yes..Ganesh chanda, Temple chanda etc....IOW..donation

[krisna]

kamandu to enter pakistan to clean up politics.
Wonder how he will do it as the meaning is

[Lalmohan]

kammandu is an old hand at mijjile maalish, same takniki will be used to clean up paquistan

[krisna]

Kerala to donate Rs.5 crore for Pakistan flood victims
SRK doing its bit to TSP. will the TSP take it

[krisna]

Pakistan August Remittances From Overseas Workers $933 Million

Pakistan received $933 million in remittances from overseas workers in August, the highest ever for a month, the central bank said Monday.
The previous high was $841.4 million in June.

[krisna]

Train hits rickshaw in Pakistan, 5 die
memory loss-- forgot bakis can meet their 72 like this also.

[Hari Seldon]

^^^ Remittances, my foot.

The pakroaches are zimbly getting evermore brazen about whitewashing their narco-gains sans a BCCI type cover. Dubai suffices, apparently. Just check what % of this inward remittance comes from the gelf, eh?

[krisna]

Heads of states meeting this week in Brussels are set to approve a trade waiver for Pakistan to help the Asian country recover from the devastating August floods

The Pakistani trade waiver proposal will be on the agenda of an extraordinary European Council scheduled to take place in Brussels on Thursday (16 September).
Ahead of the meeting, EU Trade and Foreign Affairs ministers discussed over the weekend different options to help the Pakistani economy by offering temporary trade facilitations in addition to a conspicuous package of humanitarian aid already decided.

The Belgian Commissioner had presented a plan to grant Pakistan temporary duty-free access to Europe for a list of 13 textile and clothing products. He thought that this could have been the quickest way to help Pakistan, at the same time avoiding WTO disputes.
However, his plan clashed with the interest of the EU textile industry which feared competition not only from Pakistan, but also from other Asian manufacturers, notably India and China.

[Brad Goodman]

Mohammed Aamir will rat out all fixers. I am not sure how all these big shots will take this snitching

Mohammad Aamer may tell all about Pakistan fixers

Or is this paki drama he will tell exactly the same info that investigators already know perhaps thow some details and then he will be pardoned off the same way as AQ Khan.