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Okay. My point was that most Indians are not much concerned about these issues (like kirket with Pakis). Sad onlee.
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^^ it's alright.
sum wrote:^^ Sad to be saying this but hope some spectacular dhamaka happens targetting TI ( without injuring our guys) when TI tours Pak so that the whole pappi-jhappi blows up on MMS's and GoI's face......Sad to say but we deserve it for electing such b@LL-less netas.
Sending the A-team to Pakistan can only mean bad things for India. Because it gives cover to a lot of subversive elements for a whole lot of activities. A terrorist attack on the team in Pakistan, which may also be a vaccum-blast at the hotel could mean that a door then opens to an attack on MMS in India by some local patriots which could then provide cover for equal-equal. Ofcourse both the attacks can be managed by culinary wallahs using local proxies like Asian Tigers and that buffoon Ram Sene counterpart.

A lot can go wrong and it will go wrong.

Someone sensible like Dhoni, Gautam G, Tendulkar can and should refuse to take any such risks esp if the matches are played in Pakistan. Let better sense prevail.
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We will confront Pakistan with Rana's statements ; SM Krishna
We will certainly take it up,” External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna told reporters here while replying to a question.

“We are in constant touch with the Pakistan government through our diplomatic channels,” Mr. Krishna said. {OK. The Pakistani reaction has been already given by the US on its behalf. Americans say that Rana is an arrested person who will say anything to get away from law. His claims should not be believed. The question is what will Krishna do after that ?}
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Also sending a cricket team to Pakistan, and helping the TSP-RAPE to open doors to international diplomacy and gain acceptability again means that GoI is of the stand that 26/11 wasn't entirely or exactly a Pakistani operation and they are just taking that stand for Indian public consumption and internationally they are saying something else to diplomats and Americans a la Wikipees. Then maybe only Kasab was the odd Pakistani probably involved or may be not even that and he was caught from somewhere and foisted as face of 26/11 before Indian public and only for Indian public consumption.

the other obvious option if they are sticking to their public stand is for Indian politicians and civil servants walk around airports with the sticker 'napunsak' pasted on forehead.
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Starting Afresh with Pakistan, Rajiv Dogra, Former Indian Ambassador
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The prime minister’s ultimate faith is in the Indian people who forgive all and forget everything. That must be the reason for his beatific expression; for his supreme indifference to mayhem over scams that have now become a routine in Parliament. He has shown uncharacteristic emotion only once in the recent memory; when he was reciting a Urdu couplet in the Lok Sabha. For those few seconds his face was flushed and he kept fluttering his eyes. It was a remarkable burst of emotion for an otherwise reticent man; like a hesitant teenager declaring his first love.

But with Pakistan it is an enduring affair. There is no sign of hesitation; there are no furtive glances as was the case while he was reciting that Urdu couplet for BJP leader Sushma Swaraj. A reference to Pakistan brings a ready smile to his lips. It is as if he has made up his mind to forgive them all their trespasses. Such indeed is the power of true love; it is trusting and it is blind even when it is so obviously one-sided. :)

However, people have an intuitive grasp of politics; they can sense immediately when a policy is floundering. This desire to resume the dialogue with Pakistan is being viewed by the nation apprehensively; a case many say of the triumph of hope over experience.

There is no doubt that the world loves lovers, and there is no doubt that this desire to fall head over heels in love will be applauded by the outside world. But when the embers of passion die, and the cold reality stares at us accusingly all over again, we may then have to look for ways to explain our conduct; as to why we had tricked ourselves into a trap yet again.

We might acknowledge then that there are fundamentally unbridgeable issues that divide us; while for six decades India has been a vigorously functioning democratic state, Pakistan still is in search of an identity and system. In India, the defence forces are under the full control of the civilian and political authorities. In Pakistan, on the other hand, they constitute an empire.

Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru must have had this schism in mind when he wrote to chief ministers in 1957: “No Government in that country (Pakistan) had any policy except of fear and hatred of India and till that ceases the future is dark.” That unfortunate reality has not changed in the least since then. As a matter of fact Pakistan’s angst has multiplied, and its anger has added the dangerous dimension of terror to its tactics.

Yet, like moths to flame, our leaders have been fatalistically drawn to Pakistan. They have persisted repeatedly in their efforts to draw it out; to make it see reason in accommodation and peace. Sometimes there is a flicker of hope that perhaps a new dawn is around the corner; that maybe this time peace may hold. But each time it turns out to be a false dawn; a deceptive interlude before the inevitable rebuff on one pretext or the other. Yet we forget the past and move on; to try yet again.

Even the otherwise pragmatic Indira Gandhi was duped by Bhutto in Simla. Since then Pakistan has used terror to wound India in multiple ways. President Pervez Musharraf, who had been invited to a cricket match in 2005, had grandly declared himself against terror. But the train bombings in Mumbai followed less than a year later and worse was to come in shape of 26/11. Over all these years Pakistan has given us no satisfaction on any of our pleas regarding those accused of committing these acts of terror. They continue to roam freely in Karachi and Lahore. In fact it seems naïve that we should be sending dossier after dossier of evidence to Pakistan in the hope that they might move it to take action against the culprits. By doing so we are only exposing our investigation techniques to them, because Pakistan has no intention of handing over anyone who had been trained by its own agencies to do the job they were assigned. Disdain to our concerns defines Pakistan’s response. Still we persist in talking to Pakistan; and every time India sits back bitterly, defeated by its own expectations.

The only agreements that have been honoured between us relate to commitments made by India. We paid Pakistan’s share of Partition’s finances in full, and continue to honour the Indus Water Treaty by depriving our population of water. But Pakistan feigns long term amnesia when it comes to its commitments. It has not paid even a single paisa of the debt it owes us. By now the value of that debt must have gone up to many thousand crores. It also refuses to extend to us the most-favoured nation (MFN) status in trade. And disregarding humanitarian pleas by the United Nations, it refused to let any Indian food and medical supply reach Afghanistan via its territory.

Despite overwhelming evidence otherwise, we seem to have decided that India’s economic progress depends on a stable and prosperous Pakistan. This presumption is as flawed as it is impractical. Billions of American dollars in aid to Pakistan have hardly succeeded in stabilising Pakistan over the years. On the other hand the military and fundamentalism have taken stronger roots there. But why just Pakistan, our efforts domestically have also had varying results. The scale of economic progress in a Bengal or Bihar contrasts sharply with that in Gujarat or Maharashtra for the simple reason that it is the people themselves who can shape their destiny. India cannot and should not attempt to make Pakistan either stable or prosperous. In that sense the political love fest in Mohali was questionably conceived. Since then we have read of our cricketers’ achievements on the sports pages, we are likely to hear of our political failures with Pakistan on the front page
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^^^

I like the way he puts it...
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Love fest, emotion on Urdu and questioning a 'stable and prosperous' Papistan..implies Dogra Ji is reading BR. :mrgreen:
But Pakistan feigns long term amnesia when it comes to its commitments. It has not paid even a single paisa of the debt it owes us. By now the value of that debt must have gone up to many thousand crores
That debt can be paid off through Indus waters Paki share..no?
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harbans wrote:That debt can be paid off through Indus waters Paki share..no?
Harbans, Pakistan was supposed to have paid a seigniorage from April 1, 1948 until the IWT was signed in 1961. It agreed but never deposited the money into RBI.
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Chankian spin to moves from GoI
India cricketers' tour of Pakistan 'not in near future'
Mr Shukla, who is the vice president of India's cricket board, told the BBC that they had not received any word from the government on resumption of cricket ties between the two neighbours.
"We've only seen media reports," he said.
Mr Shukla said there are no free slots available on the cricket tour calendar to accommodate an India-Pakistan series until the end of March 2012.
Just like Dhoni during the world cup, MMS should lead from the front and visit TSP first. If he manages to come back alive, then we can think of looking at slots in the packed schedules.
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Man held in Chile not behind Kandhar hijacking: Report
Pakistani authorities have refuted Chilean police's claim of having arrested the brother of Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Maulana Masood Azhar, accused of coordinating the 1999 Indian Airlines IC-184 Kandhar hijacking, saying they had nabbed someone else, according to a media report.

The Chilean police have arrested someone else because Mufti Abdul Rauf, the younger brother of Azhar, is present in the garrison town of Rawalpindi, The News daily quoted unnamed officials of Pakistani security agencies as saying.
Of course, this is coming from Pakis so need to take with a bucket of salt and Indian investigative agencies should confirm if this is true or not. Logic, based on swift dismissal by Pakis, suggests that this could be the guy who hijacked the plane.
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James B wrote:Man held in Chile not behind Kandhar hijacking: Report
The Chilean police have arrested someone else because Mufti Abdul Rauf, the younger brother of Azhar, is present in the garrison town of Rawalpindi, The News daily quoted unnamed officials of Pakistani security agencies as saying.

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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: of course non-state actor
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The Chilean police have arrested someone else because Mufti Abdul Rauf, the younger brother of Azhar, is present in the garrison town of Rawalpindi
How blatant can can State sponsored terror get now? So you think you got the Killer..hell no. Why? Coz h's with me..right in Garisson town, Rawalpindi..la la. :shock:
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habal wrote:Absolutely wrong. He has never won any election in India. As Congress nominated member of Rajya Sabha, he is an example of someone who is foisted on a country by external interests and given Rajya Sabha cover.

Rajya Sabha cover can be given to anyone, be they businessmen, film stars or liquor barons.
We Indians, by constitution, do not have rights to elect our PM. We only vote a party. Who should be our PM is not in our hand. Parties/Fronts are not even obliged to name would-be PM before the election. So no point in pressing MMS is not elected etc. This is a big loop hole kept in our constitution just to help backdoor elections like this.
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harbans wrote:
The Chilean police have arrested someone else because Mufti Abdul Rauf, the younger brother of Azhar, is present in the garrison town of Rawalpindi
How blatant can can State sponsored terror get now? So you think you got the Killer..hell no. Why? Coz h's with me..right in Garisson town, Rawalpindi..la la. :shock:
seriously...and still our leaders want to do all pappi zappi with these pigs. Disgusting only.
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This is not Pappi Jhapki, it's Paapi Jhapki. I feeli it's seriously sinful if not treasonous to be doing this at this stage..
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ramana wrote:Vikas, US offered SU detente in the early 70s when they realized they could destroy them many times over. It was pappi jhappi of that time. Same with India-TSP.

We don't have better models than US-FSU confrontation or dance of scorpions an snakes. At least at that time there was no one bigger than the US making them make up with FSU.
Ramana ji, The difference being FSU was not sending terrorists to USA to kill Americans. Their battlegrounds were mostly 3rd world countries.
What we are doing is not replicating US-FSU model, but digging holes for ourselves. Does it even look like this only going upto Papi-jhappi.

Pappi-jhappi is fine as long as you still maintain safe distance from "your might would have been your murderer" but why do we have to indulge in foreplay and fornication with TSP.
We are not USA and TSP is not FSU. History though repeats itself but not in the same manner otherwise reading history would be so much of Deja-vu.
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i worry that BCCI's secret hidden power brokers (who are also powerful in government) might be behind the indo-pak games... its all about money onlee
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OT - How is that series with TSP in TSP would make more money than a series with Oz or SA ?
I doubt if BCCI loses money in any series even if against Timbaktoo in Antartica.
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http://www.bhaskar.com/article/SPO-indi ... html?HT1a=

"क्या 26-11 के ऊपर क्रिकेट डिप्लोमेसी को रखा जाना उचित है। या आपको लगता है कि भारत-पाक के बीच फिर क्रिकेट संबंधों की शुरूआत हो जानी चाहिए। या पाक को क्रिकेट जगत में अलग-थलग किए जाने से बचाने के लिए हमें पहल करनी चाहिए। हमें क्या पाक अपनी करनी का फल भोग रहा है, हम उसे कोई मदद नहीं दे सकते हैं? आपको क्या लगता है। अपने विचार नीचे दिए गए कमेंट बॉक्स में दें। "

Loaded question hindi media is asking.... I gotta say ever since I started hindi media, I feel there is a good percentage of them who will make good Brfites... BR in hindi...? possible
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VikasRaina wrote:OT - How is that series with TSP in TSP would make more money than a series with Oz or SA ?
I doubt if BCCI loses money in any series even if against Timbaktoo in Antartica.
what about betting?
highest intensity will be for indo-pak
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My head will explode , before other things go boom boom , if Indian cricket team goes to poakland.

I feel anger and helplessness at this move by the GOI.

Time to troll poaki forums and start dropping sh*t bombs there to feel better ;-)
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Other reports of Motorhome C.C. Fair:
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/lets ... he_gun.php
Titled: LeT’s Not Jump the Gun
Rushing to judgment about the Mumbai attacks, however, is little but a fool’s errand. One of the earliest, and funniest, examples of this was a contest The New York Times recorded, between C. Christine Fair, the RAND Corporation’s resident expert on South Asian insurgencies (and one of the few Americans at all to have studied the topic), and Sajjan Gohel, the Director of International Security for the Asia-Pacific Foundation, a think tank that specializes in security and counterterrorism. Gohel pointed to the coordinated nature of the attacks as “fingerprints” that “point to an Islamic Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group.” Fair, meanwhile, noted the ways this attack was different than other al-Qaeda attacks: “Did you see any suicide bombers? And there are no fingerprints of Lashkar. They don’t do hostage-taking and they don’t do grenades.”
The NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/27/world ... 18123.html
The Mumbai assault was "uniquely disturbing," said Sajjan Gohel, a security expert in London, because it seemed directed at foreigners, involved hostage-taking and was aimed at multiple "soft, symbolic targets." The attacks "aimed to create maximum terror and human carnage and damage the economy," he said in a telephone interview.

An e-mail message to Indian media outlets taking responsibility for the attacks in Mumbai on Wednesday night said the militants were from a group called Deccan Mujahedeen. Almost universally, experts and intelligence officials said the name was unknown.

Deccan is a neighborhood of the Indian city of Hyderabad. The word also describes the middle and south of India, which is dominated by the Deccan Plateau. Mujahedeen is the commonly used Arabic word for holy fighters. But the combination of the two, said Gohel in London, is a "front name. This group is non-existent."

Bruce Hoffman, a professor at the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University and the author of the book "Inside Terrorism," said: "It's even unclear whether it's a real group or not."

An Indian security official, who spoke in return for anonymity because he was not authorized to be identified, said the name suggested ties to a group called Indian Mujahedeen, which has been implicated in a string of bombing attacks in India killing about 200 people this year alone.

On Sept. 15, an e-mail published in Indian newspapers and said to have been sent by representatives of Indian Muhajedeen threatened potential "deadly attacks" in Mumbai.

The message warned counterterrorism officials in the city that "you are already on our hit-list and this time very, very seriously."

Several high-ranking law enforcement officials, including the chief of the anti-terrorism squad and a commissioner of police, were, indeed, reported killed in the attacks in Mumbai.

Christine Fair of the RAND Corporation, was careful to say that the identities of the terrorists could not yet be known. But she insisted the style of the attacks and the targets in Mumbai suggested the militants were probably Indian Muslims and not linked to Al Qaeda or Lashkar-e-Taiba, another violent South Asian terrorist group.

"There's absolutely nothing Al Qaeda-like about it," she said of the attack. "Did you see any suicide bombers? And there are no fingerprints of Lashkar. They don't do hostage-taking and they don't do grenades." By contrast, Gohel in London said "the fingerprints point to an Islamic Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group."

Hoffman said the attacks, which he called "tactical, sophisticated and coordinated," perhaps pointed to a broader organization behind the perpetrators.

An Indian official suggested the foot soldiers in the attack might have emerged from an outlawed militant group of Islamic students.

"There are a lot of very, very angry Muslims in India," Fair said. "The economic disparities are startling, and India has been very slow to publicly embrace its rising Muslim problem."
...
Let us return to the first article, "LeT's Not Jump the Gun"
There is a curious double standard in the commentary about India, as well. Shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the U.S., entire countries would be threatened with isolation or consumer boycotts for daring to suggest that the U.S.’s Middle East policy was even partially responsible for the attacks. During the Republican presidential primaries, Ron Paul was routinely mocked for saying the same thing, and derided as “supporting the terrorists.”

Yet that is exactly the kind of thinking that crops up when you hear, for example, Ms. Fair remarking that India has a lot of “very, very angry Muslims.” You can detect a similar tone in Newsweek’s coverage, which seemed to blame the attacks on India’s possession of Kashmir and the “serious economic, religious, political and social causes of Muslim discontent.”
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Despite overwhelming evidence otherwise, we seem to have decided that India’s economic progress depends on a stable and prosperous Pakistan. This presumption is as flawed as it is impractical.
Rajiv Dogra Sir.. most probably you will read this message. Thanks for stating the plain truth so bluntly and loudly.
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Resumption of cricketing ties with Pakistan a welcome step: Bindra
Regularisation of ties is a great thing. I hope they fit into Future Tours Programme (FTP). It’s a nice thing not only for India, but for world cricket as a whole that Pakistan will come into the mainstream of world cricket,” he said.

Mr. Bindra said Pakistan is a “very exciting team” and their absence from the mainstream is a “great loss to world cricket“.

Mr. Bindra said, “If the cricketing ties resume, Pakistani players can be available next year for the IPL. As the contract is for two years, they can fit in provided there is vacancy.”
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Nice one by G Parthasarathy

Don't Play Ball only with Pakistan

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opi ... 694303.ece
The invitation to Prime Minister Gilani pleased the Americans. But is pleasing the Americans the main criterion for determining our policies and priorities in our neighbourhood? The internal turmoil in Pakistan and its problems in Afghanistan call for serious diplomacy, and not gimmicks, grandiose gestures, or summits without meticulous preparatory work.
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i really hope that all this talk of kirket ka tamasha is only KLPD action on the paquis
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Pakistan embassy official shot and wounded in Nepal
A Pakistani embassy official suffered multiple wounds when he was shot by an unidentified gunman on Thursday in Nepal’s capital Kathmandu, police said.
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VikasRaina wrote:OT - How is that series with TSP in TSP would make more money than a series with Oz or SA ?
I doubt if BCCI loses money in any series even if against Timbaktoo in Antartica.
I have a faint suspiscion that BCCI, ICC, TSPA & some political bigwigs take cuts from betting market. That is why Pakistan is an 'exciting' team for a few.
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Despite overwhelming evidence otherwise, we seem to have decided that India’s economic progress depends on a stable and prosperous Pakistan. This presumption is as flawed as it is impractical. Billions of American dollars in aid to Pakistan have hardly succeeded in stabilising Pakistan over the years. On the other hand the military and fundamentalism have taken stronger roots there. But why just Pakistan, our efforts domestically have also had varying results. The scale of economic progress in a Bengal or Bihar contrasts sharply with that in Gujarat or Maharashtra for the simple reason that it is the people themselves who can shape their destiny. India cannot and should not attempt to make Pakistan either stable or prosperous. In that sense the political love fest in Mohali was questionably conceived. Since then we have read of our cricketers’ achievements on the sports pages, we are likely to hear of our political failures with Pakistan on the front page
Hoping and praying most babus think this way and when once in a lifetime WKK freaks like MMS/IKG come along, they( babus) will rise to the occasion and thwart the WKKs
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James B wrote:Pakistan embassy official shot and wounded in Nepal
A Pakistani embassy official suffered multiple wounds when he was shot by an unidentified gunman on Thursday in Nepal’s capital Kathmandu, police said.
Further quote:
Mehboob Asif, who works at the visa section of the Pakistan embassy, was injured in his stomach and hand when he was shot near the office on Thursday morning, police said.

He was rushed to hospital where he was declared “out of danger.”

“The gunman, who followed Asif, fired three bullet rounds and fled the scene on the victim’s motorbike,” Kathmandu police chief Pushkar Karki told AFP.

Police said they were investigating the shooting and had no idea yet who was responsible.

The Pakistan embassy in Kathmandu confirmed Asif’s identity but would not comment further.

The shooting of the visa officer came amid a wave of attacks in Kathmandu by unidentified assailants that has fuelled concern over public security.

Last Sunday, a businessman was shot dead in the centre of the city and on Tuesday the country’s new energy minister was stabbed by two assailants just hours after he was appointed.

Police say they do not know yet who was responsible for those two attacks.
Maybe unrelated surge in violence.

Above is most likely its a fallout between criminals and TSP embassy visa section. Most likely the guy took money but didnt issue the visa. Hence the stalking attack and taking the motorbike.
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Christine Fair demonstrates an interesting American psychology. She is not pro-pakistan by any chance but she is an anti-India in every sense. A pro-US (obviously) and anti-India strategist... a strategist who does not follow US interest will be generally sidelined, or will not be regarded as strategist but will remain only as a critic. But an anti-Indian strategist in the US camp should raise lot of questions to GoI vis-a-vis our ongoing relationship with the US. Christian Fair is always a good alarm for India, though we ignore again and again. CF is only a strategist, not diplomatic like Cohen. Whatever she speaks I listen carefully. She is stupidly vocal and slippery. Listen GoI listen, for god's sake.

P.S: I am purposely avoiding MMS when referring to GoI. He is on pakistan high...beyond reach of anyone.
Also we must interview her on regular intervals. May be every three months. She represents a good strategic graph for us regarding the american point of view.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370352.cms

Arnab owns PAki guy on whether was Rana working for ISI/paki govt. And enjoy whining of ex-paki cricketer Altaf. He says Indian cricketers are not just citizen of India but of whole world.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Christine Fair makes the point that Dr Shiv has been making for US to  leave Af-Pak region, so that the support TSP drives and sustains it as a result of the conflict is gone. 

Since, this has been opposite mine, I'll say this, I hear your argument "India interests get seconded to that of US in the Indian subcontinent." US troops do not allow a free run to TSPA in the field on the Af-Pak border and TSPA that would allow it to focus east and is forced to split it's focus between east and west of it's border. BUT US gets milked in the process by it's choice of supply line.

So at least the US policy is on display here by Christine Fair. She makes the point that the necessary certification process (as part of KLB) of TSP making progress on LET hasn't even begun yet, as if that is an annual 1 day job. So this certification process will be like the Pressler amendment which will only get certified after the withdrawal of the Soviet forces. Which in the current case will not happen till US leaves Af.

The point about it's dependence on the TSP for it's supply lines to Af is a consequence of picking TSP as an ally. It is the result of a choice. ( I kind of hard to believe that TSPAF could have stopped an India-US air bridge over to Af! Cost? West Berlin.)

Now to say that the policy is in a flap and hasn't been decided as to how to deal with TSP's duplicity of which US is aware (not buffooons remark) is just wonderful. Poached frog.

The holy COW will have to wait another day, I guess.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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Any way she is the new unven Cohen and needs to be studied. To me her most remarkable study was the Indian Hamletian decisions to test or not to test. It shows her keen understanding of the Indian political mind which Uneven didn't have.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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SSridhar wrote:
harbans wrote:That debt can be paid off through Indus waters Paki share..no?
Harbans, Pakistan was supposed to have paid a seigniorage from April 1, 1948 until the IWT was signed in 1961. It agreed but never deposited the money into RBI.
This news is from 2009
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... -partition
Pakistan still owes India Rs 300 crore as pre-partition debt
Pakistan is yet to clear a pre-partition debt of Rs 300 crore to India, which has been carrying forward year after year in its Budget account as a "liability".Surprisingly, New Delhi has not added interest to this amount since its entry in the books.
However, India has cleared its share of the pre-partition debt of Rs 50 crore soon after independence in 1947.
Hmmmm maybe this needs to be taken up by some people , maybe with the expectation of more money to launder our politicians will get it back from poaks and deposit in swiss accounts of their own. :rotfl: maybe we can use the so called hindu/baniya mentality to hurt the H&D onlee.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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ManuT wrote:Christine Fair makes the point that Dr Shiv has been making
Sheeet! :shock: I'll have to watch those videos now. I was hoping to pick up everything there was to know by reading comments on here. :oops:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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1. I dunno why an American strategist should be expected to have any but a pro-American interest stance. Perhaps BRFers are spoiled by desi strategists who apologize for the US?

2. C. Christine Fair is the newer generation of scholars following India. So far more insightful and more honest than the old school.

Shiv, the C.C. Fair points in the Times Now are that 26/11 is hardly the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world (the hyperbole/hyperventilate part); that to have an adult conversation, the TV show should not be like Fox News; that the US is perfectly aware of Pakistani involvement in terrorism, given that the US is in Afghanistan, the success of that mission takes priority over everything else, and so whatever the US may know about Pakistan's attacks on India, it is not going to antagonize Pakistan over them, because the supply lines to Afghanistan are too vital to disrupt.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

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ramana wrote:
Maybe unrelated surge in violence.

Above is most likely its a fallout between criminals and TSP embassy visa section. Most likely the guy took money but didnt issue the visa. Hence the stalking attack and taking the motorbike.
Probability not related to visa. Who in their right minds would want to pay to get a visa to Puke land. Nepal is a veritable paradise as compared to the hell hole
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A_Gupta wrote:
Shiv, the C.C. Fair points in the Times Now are that 26/11 is hardly the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world (the hyperbole/hyperventilate part); that to have an adult conversation, the TV show should not be like Fox News; that the US is perfectly aware of Pakistani involvement in terrorism, given that the US is in Afghanistan, the success of that mission takes priority over everything else, and so whatever the US may know about Pakistan's attacks on India, it is not going to antagonize Pakistan over them, because the supply lines to Afghanistan are too vital to disrupt.
India has to take care of its interest and Indian interest comes first. Other countries interest does not matter here when Indians are dying. They need to STFU

THis TV show should be shown in the US and US network has to carry it since a US citizen was involved in the attack the US public has to know it. This is clever strategy that the debate is only inside India but not in US. Why are US citizens willing to do harm against India.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2

Post by Manny »

I totally agree with Sri.

Why are we expecting the US to do things that we are not willing to do for ourselves?

We have a Congress left Party and a PM who is not prepared to antagonize Pakistan. Period!

THAT is a bigger problem for India than the US.
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