Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2012

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Imran fears of suicide attacks if Nato supply resumes
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LAHORE: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairperson Imran Khan on Saturday said that the Nato supply has already been resumed in the name of so called ‘national interest’, DawnNews reported.The PTI chief added that, as a response, if there is any suicide attack in the country, the common people would have to bear the cost of it.Addressing a meeting in Lahore, Khan said that the political actors have gathered on one platform and formed a consensus on the PCNS recommendations in order to cover up for each others’ corruption.Khan’s remarks came after the parliament reached a consensus to no more let Pakistan serve as conduit of arms to Afghanistan, but gave a green signal for a resumption of non-lethal Nato supplies to the war-ravaged country.Imran said the system of slavery is prevalent in the country and people are being economically prosecuted.Politicians fear that if PTI comes to power then they will have to face accountability, Khan said
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Indic Influence and Non Indic nature
One man’s seva for another man’s death
HASAN ABDAL: Thousands of Indian pilgrims barely registered the man in the orange bandanna and Ray-Ban sunglasses taking their shoes and storing them in wooden cubbyholes before they entered the Sikh shrine in Hasan Abdal.e unassuming 62-year-old tending to the shoes is a top government lawyer and devout Muslim. At the shrine, he is on an unusual solo quest—taking on menial jobs to atone for the beheading of a Sikh by militants.Over the past two years, Muhammed Khurshid Khan has traveled to Sikh shrines in Pakistan and India, volunteering to polish shoes, clean bathrooms, cook meals and do other chores. Such service is known as “seva”—selfless service—in Sikhism, and it holds a special place in the faith.Khan, one of two dozen deputy attorney generals in Pakistan, began his mission in 2010 after militants kidnapped three Sikhs returning from Afghanistan to their homes in Pakistan. The militants demanded some$240 thousand dollars—an amount the families could not afford. Two of the captives were freed in a commando raid, but 30-year-old Jaspal Singh had already been beheaded.

“That news pierced my heart,” said Khan. “How could Muslims do such harm to such a peaceful community?”

A day after Singh was beheaded, Khan went to the dead man’s home in Peshawar to offer condolences. He sat on the floor with Singh’s relatives, but they became wary once they realised Khan was a government official.Khan then visited a Sikh shrine in Peshawar and asked religious leaders if he could perform seva to atone for the beheading. After two weeks his request was approved, and for the next four months he went to the shrine in Peshawar every day after work, polishing worshippers’ shoes for hours.Handling the shoes of devotees is considered a particularly worthy form of seva because it shows humility and a belief that all people, rich and poor, are equal in the eyes of God.He said he initially hid his quest from his family because he worried they would be embarrassed and ask him to stop, but they are now supportive. He also avoided media interviews until a reporter reminded him that Islam tells followers to publicise good deeds as an example to others.
He wants reward for this selfless Seva
Khan surveyed the gathering from his perch behind a long wooden counter and said he hoped his actions would highlight the need to protect Pakistan’s minorities.“The message is a soft image of my religion Islam, a soft image of my country Pakistan,” said Khan. “We are not terrorists
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So we now reward Pak for 26/11 by offering it FDI into India.Just watch how the ISI will now be able to manipulate the market while it pumps in billions of fake Indian currency into India.What cretins we have at the top who seem to be pushing a Yanqui agenda asap instead of fundamental Indian interests!
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-44475 ... tes-escape
Bannu jail attacked, 400 inmates escape
( Imran Khan's suicide bombers )
BANNU: Unknown assailants stormed Central Jail Bannu with heavy gunfire, emptying the jail of its 400 inmates, Geo News reported.Dozens of police guards and attackers were injured in the cross firing. The injured have been rushed to district hospital.According to police sources, unknown militants attacked Bannu Central Jail with heavy gunfire. Rocket launchers were also used in the attack.Jail administration has asked for more police force to tackle the situation. Heavy contingent of FC and army have arrived for police assistance.
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The pig-headed Siachen Glacier confrontation
The origins of the dispute can be traced to the Simla Agreement of 1972, which left the Siachen Glacier’s status undefined and un-demarcated when the ceasefire line was converted into the Line of Control. It merely stated that from the NJ9842 location, the boundary would proceed ‘thence north to the glaciers’. The glaciers made up such inhospitable territory that neither India nor Pakistan considered it important to demarcate the Line of Control in that region. The Siachen Glacier is located at a height of over 6,000 metres. It is a most unreceptive terrain, mostly due to the extreme cold weather and the concomitant hazards of maintaining a base in such a place. It covers altogether some 2,300 sq km. However, since Pakistan had been granting permission to international mountaineering teams to climb some of the high peaks in the Siachen area, India became concerned that Pakistan was thus staking claim to the territory.

Consequently, the Indians began to send secret army expeditions to the Siachen Glacier. On April 13, 1984, the Indian army and air force personnel went into the glacier territory and dug into the highest mountaintops. It was, therefore, India that took the initiative in establishing a military presence, on a continuous basis, in the disputed area. Pakistan made several attempts to dislodge the Indians. The most determined effort was in 1987 when the mission, led by the elite SSG commandos, failed to achieve its objective. Skirmishes have flared up later as well. Both sides have suffered casualties. Additionally, frostbite, lung and respiratory ailments and heart-problems have also been taking their toll of death and injuries in that desolate, God-forsaken glacier. Dead bodies of soldiers and officers have quietly been despatched to their bereaved families while the civil and military top brass remained stuck fast to their intransigent positions in the comfort of their homes and offices.
In his autobiography, In the Line of Fire, General Pervez Musharraf has expressed the view that the Indians have to suffer far more than the Pakistanis because they have to cover a long trek, while the glacier is easily accessible from the Pakistani side. The Kargil misadventure that Musharraf masterminded was an attempt to neutralise the ‘advantage’ that the Indians had achieved by converting the Siachen Glacier into a military base. It resulted in a mini-war that could have involved an exchange of nuclear bombs.I have travelled a great deal in western Europe and seen with my own eyes how vain politicians, unscrupulous diplomats and moronic generals during the two world wars drove millions and millions of young men to their graves on battlefields, in the trenches, and as they waited in sub-zero temperatures for the next order to attack. On a miniature scale, we have to our credit a similar conduct from both the Indian and Pakistani power elites.
received an essay from a Pakistani defence analyst, Haris N Khan, in which he has pointed out that the avalanche has been caused by climate change. Global warming is causing the glaciers to melt. Such incidents are bound to multiply in future if
both sides remain ensconced in their fanciful security cocoons built of nuclear weapons and other destructive material. It is time to press our governments to develop credible policy to tackle the threat of climate change. Needless to say, it calls for cooperation not confrontation on the Siachen Glacier
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_3
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India started the Siachen crisis by not giving entirety of Kashmir to Pakistan. Both India and Pakistan suffer casualties whenever Pakistanis attack. If both India and Pakistan withdraw from Siachen, there will be no crisis in Kargil in the future with Pakistanis occupying Indian posts in Kargil, they could directly occupy those in Siachen. Pakistanis are like europeans with their fair skin.
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^^^The Pakistani English writing elites' concern for mango Indian soldiers' lives put at risk in Siachen by the intransigence of Pakistani brass and elites and Indian brass and elites is touching; but would be more convincing if it included advocacy of stopping the jihadis who put the same mango Indian soldiers' lives on the line.
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A_Gupta wrote:^^^The Pakistani English writing elites' concern for mango Indian soldiers' lives put at risk in Siachen by the intransigence of Pakistani brass and elites and Indian brass and elites is touching; but would be more convincing if it included advocacy of stopping the jihadis who put the same mango Indian soldiers' lives on the line.
You see Arun the people of Pakistan are pious Muslims - an emotional people who feel for other Muslims. No one wants jihadis but jut like Imran Khan wants that no one will be able to prevent suicide attacks after NATO convoys restart, no one can prevent attacks on India from freedom fighters arising spontaneously from resident village populations. If the core problems of the aspirations of the Kashmiri people are met all violence will spontaneously stop.

After spending 10 years of my life on this thread I am beginning to feel that reading what Pakistanis write is worthless. they do not contribute to either sense or knowledge and can be ignored with no effect whatsoever on anything.
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Doubt not whenever a Poaqabra talks about Peace, Economics, Humanity, Bravery, Enviorenment, Good Intentions , Friendship, genuine 900% Liberal thinking and not a born Jihadi. If you doubt then either you are a bigot hateful Indian or have not accepted the Poaqistan's existence.
OTOH, with trade opening ,now we will see WKK Khoosats morphing into WMM= Wagha Mush Moochers.
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Jhujar wrote:Doubt not whenever a Poaqabra talks about Peace, Economics, Humanity, Bravery, Enviorenment, Good Intentions , Friendship, genuine 900% Liberal thinking and not a born Jihadi. If you doubt then either you are a bigot hateful Indian or have not accepted the Poaqistan's existence.
OTOH, with trade opening ,now we will see WKK Khoosats morphing into WMM= Wagha Mush Moochers.
Don't you mean wagha rug munchers?? :wink:
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Theft by PIA crew
ONE doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry. The UK’s Greater Manchester Police has complained to the PIA management that its crew members are in the habit of stealing, and has asked the airline to take steps to prevent this. What have they been making off with? Objects of little worth, to be sure — glasses, towels, kettles etc from hotel rooms besides shoplifting small items — but this does little to lessen the degree of shame associated with such acts. The communication’s wording indicates the embarrassment of the police superintendent in raising the issue. In fact, the relatively low value of the items being pilfered would imply that PIA staff are indulging in this activity not out of need or for monetary gain — not that either would justify their illegal activities — but out of a callous disregard for rules and upright behaviour. Given that complaints have risen to a level where some action is necessary, the communication asks the airline to address the matter internally since, if arrested, crew members would have to be detained overnight thus disturbing flight schedules.

The shame this brings to Pakistan is made all the worse by the fact that such incidents involve the country’s flagship carrier. The manner in which PIA has been run to the ground over the past decades is widely known. The airline has fallen from being one of the world’s top fleets in the 1960s to a creaking state enterprise that is barely keeping afloat. Yet incompetence or mismanagement is one thing, petty criminality quite another.

Such activity only strengthens the impression that Pakistanis are an unruly and undisciplined people, who resort to malpractices not because they have to but because they revel in them. PIA had better clean up its act; meanwhile, the thieving crew should be ashamed of themselves.
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Anindya wrote:Re-posting the URL here - suggest that people take a few minutes to put cogent responses to Jyoti's support for the Pakistani position on Siachen

Jyoti Malhotra's article toe-ing the Pakistani line on Siachen
I actually thought that it was a Paki article till i saw the Author's name when this was quoted in the other dhaaga!
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Is somebody stopping the porkis from buying electricity from ANYWHERE?

Positive steps

True, these developments have everything to do with global dynamics and the role of the powerful in shaping these dynamics. Of course this is all about the business of give and take for the world does not know a better formula for building a relationship. But there will be some thorny issues on the way as Islamabad and New Delhi walk, and are guided, along the way to ‘normalistaion’, which is but a relative term. A few daunting challenges remain. Kashmir is the most difficult of them. And even if the two sides play friends to local and international galleries at the moment, they have to be careful which deals they strike and at what price. Take electricity from India. If it is going to cost Pakistan more than it can realistically afford, Islamabad must assert its right to buy it from a cheaper source. The idea of a free world based on fair give and take would be jeopardised if it turns out that some of the promises in the Indian package are flaunted just to wean Pakistan away from exploring other — inexpensive — options, say electricity from Iran.
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Inventing an enemy-Yawn
A new and mortal enemy is being invented — as if we do not have enough enemies, as if all postulates on which Pakistan’s foreign policy has been based since Independence are absurd and outdated, as if a new streak of wisdom has dawned.

At stake are the fundamental principles on which the foreign policy of Pakistan — of any country — should be based. Unless checked, it is raw emotions and street wisdom rather than cold economic and geopolitical realities that will govern the conduct of our external relations.

Let us recall some names: those names which gave consistency to Pakistan’s foreign policy and made it emerge on the world’s diplomatic map by evolving policies that made eminent sense: Liaquat, Bogra, Suhrawardy, Noon, Ayub, Manzur Qadir, Bhutto, Yahya, Sahibzada and, yes, Ziaul Haq. Notwithstanding their domestic policies, these men had a correct understanding of the international forces at work and took advantage of the Cold War to give Pakistan a foreign policy direction that on the whole paid dividends. That there were negative aspects of it goes without saying, but then what else is foreign policy if not the sum total of gains and losses? At the end of the day, you calculate whether the gains outweighed the losses.

The event of Sept 11, 2001, posed to Pakistan a challenge no less grim than that in 1971. Its aftermath has been traumatic not just for Pakistan, but for world Muslims, for the criminality of a few misguided men imposed on the Islamic world a confrontation for which it was not ready and which was never needed. Even though both sides have taken pains to emphasise that the US-led war on terror is not a war on the Muslim world, both realise that the 9/11 tragedy has created between the Muslim world and the West a gulf that would take decades to bridge, if at all. Unless something as catastrophic and malignant as 9/11 rocks the globe, the war on terror, perhaps under a new name, will continue to define American-European policies for decades to come.

We are now face to face with a situation in which Pakistan is not only being demonised 24/7 (‘An ally from hell’); the fact that it has been traumatised by terrorism has gone unnoticed, for the world doesn’t know — or if it knows, doesn’t care to acknowledge — that terrorists have killed 40,000 Pakistanis, only 3,000 of them security personnel.

The onslaught by America’s loyalist media is relentless. In fact, such is the well-orchestrated campaign in sections of the media against Pakistan that official American denials tend to lose credibility and drown in the din. In this category falls the attack on America’s Kabul embassy. Subsequent denials — muffled, muted but on record — by administration officials, including Hillary Clinton and hesitant generals, sought to set the record straight, but the damage had been done.

Pakistan has limited assets with which to make its point of view heard in a diplomacy-cum-media billingsgate, but such assets it does have are being thrown away by some of our own people who seem determined to foist on Pakistan a confrontation that common sense cannot justify in this unipolar world The line-up of powers as seen in the 20th century till the end of the Cold War has ceased to exist. There is no line-up, and there is no countervailing power or bloc of powers willing to stand up to the US-Nato camp, and such anti-American rhetoric as one hears from time to time in Moscow and Beijing is shallow and is for record’s sake a show of defiance that is not intended to be confrontational.

Invariably, the dissent is on peripheral issues — Libya, Syria or Iran — and not on core issues. Russia has never in a significant way made an issue of Nato’s eastward expansion, and
Beijing has all but frozen the Taiwan issue. Rightly, like India, they are aware of America’s military and economic power and know that a head-on clash with the US will be counterproductive and hurt their national interests.

India is on surer ground. It is basking in the warmth of a tacit alliance with America — sealed by the nuclear deal. Quite understandably, it has lowered its anti-Pakistan rhetoric to give Islamabad a free hand to get embroiled with Washington as deeply as possible. New Delhi has never been very happy with Pakistan’s ‘major non-Nato ally’ status and the subsequent $28bn or so in the form of bilateral and multilateral loans, grants, write-offs and economic and military aid.{what will bakistan do if this help was to disappear? Would China step into the picture with a comparable deal?}

Not all this money came from America, but the 28-member Friends of Democratic Pakistan, the World Bank and the IMF would not have acted without a nod from Washington.

For that reason New Delhi is watching the deterioration in US-Pakistan relations with great interest, hoping for the best. In this fond hope, India has allies in this country, for its sympathies are with those who want to gift a new enemy to Pakistan.

Caught in a nutcracker situation, Pakistan is now faced with a well-funded and well-armed militant mobocracy threatening to burn the country down from end to end if foreign policy were not subjected to their ‘ideological’ whims. There may be many turncoats and ‘moderate’ politicians in this motley group of firebrand orators, but those calling the shots are essentially brazenfaced apologists for the terrorists. To them it is their interests in Afghanistan and not those of Pakistan and its people that matter.{One of the reasons I wanted the khans to stay in Astan for some more time and this new relationship between the khans and the fundoos get cemented}

Those who ignore geography and history in the formulation of foreign policy shouldn’t venture into the minefield of statecraft.
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X Posted from the ISI History and Discussions thread.

Spokesman for the Afghan National Directorate for Security, Lotfullah Mashal, discloses that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s intelligence service the ISI / ISID is using media cover to spy on Afghanistan:
Khaama Press, April 12, 2012

Infiltration of Pakistan, Iran in Afghan Medias: NDS ...................

He also said, a number of Pakistani spies are also working in Shamshad TV which broadcasts in Pushto language. He said, “Shamshad TV has hired 12 foreigners without informing the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Culture and Information of Afghanistan. The Financial Director and a program maker of this TV is Pakistani nationals and creates Pakistani subjects for display.”

Mr. Mashal said he was 80% sure that the 12 individuals are the spies of ISI (Inter Services Intelligence), and would formally work in this TV if they were not spies.

According to Afghan NDS spokesman Lotfullah Mashal, the presence of foreign workers in Media Agencies without informing the Afghan government indicates that these individuals are following their political targets in this country. …………………..

RAWA
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AoA
Taliban attack prison in Pakistan, free militants
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: Nearly 400 prisoners escaped from a jail in northwest Pakistan early on Sunday after it was attacked by Islamist militants armed with guns and rocket propelled grenades, a senior police official said.
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What is 80% sure? Much less than 400% of Mushy! Five time less.
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Militants attack Bannu jail, over 900 escape
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=46157&CID=1
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Militant on death row for Musharraf killing bid freed in jail raid: official
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 2720120415
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That reminds one of the 2008 Kandahar jail break and again last year's jail break there.
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http://dawn.com/2012/04/15/militants-at ... es-escape/
Link from Dawn claims that the militants were armed with automatic weapons, RPGs, explosives and grenades, they engaged in a two hour firefight and even set part of the prison on fire. Yet there has not been a single casualty reported so far. Daal mein kuch kaala hai.
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X Posted from the Indo-UK News and Discussion thread

British parliamentarian of Pakistani origin, Nazir Ahmed, expresses solidarity with the chief of Islamic Terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Hafiz Muhammad Saeed by offering a bounty for the capture of the current and former Presidents of the US.

The infiltration of Jihadi Islamic Terrorism supporting persons into the UK Parliament can become a matter of concern for India:

‘Sterling’ bounty offered for Obama, Bush
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ArmenT, the below was what happened at the Sarposa Prison (Kandahar) in 2008.
The operation began when a large truck loaded with explosives was used to destroy the prison’s main gate. An individual wearing an explosive vest later destroyed a portion of another barrier. Following the explosions, at least 30 Taliban fighters, on motorcycles surged into the prison in a hail of RPG and small arms fire, killing at least nine of the prison’s Afghan security staff. According to Taliban claims, a number of roadblocks were emplaced just prior to the jail break to prevent interference from security forces. Approximately 1,100 prisoners, as many as
400 of them Taliban fighters, escaped on foot into the surrounding orchards and into a fleet of minibuses that were standing by. Within days, Taliban fighters and some of the new escapees moved north into the fertile Arghandab district; supposedly occupying several villages, destroying bridges, and mining roads leading into the area
Similar details should emerge soon for Bannu as well. Remember that Bannu is a 'settled area'.
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Curfew in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Occupied Jammu & Kashmir brought on by Intra-Mohammadden sectarian violence extends into the 13th day.

Gilgit gets longest break in curfew since its imposition
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Prison break: Militants attack Bannu jail, nearly 400 inmates escape
A former member of the airforce sentenced to death for an attack on former president Pervez Musharraf was among the escaped militants, he said.
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X Posted from the Islamism thread.

Elderly 80 year old man acquitted of the charge of blasphemy is killed by a Mohammadden cleric who was also the complainant in the blasphemy case in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Blasphemy accuser kills man after police drop charges
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Firing going on in Kabul..
KABUL: Several large explosions and bursts of gunfire were heard on Sunday near the United States embassy in the Afghan capital Kabul, although the target was not immediately clear.

The US embassy sounded alarms and warned staff to take cover, AFP reporters heard from their office near the embassy in the Wazir Akbar Khan area, which houses many diplomatic missions.

A newly built hotel, the Kabul Star hotel, was reportedly on fire in an area which includes a major US military base, the United Nations office and the presidential palace.

Reports were coming in of gunfire in other parts of the capital.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 674700.cms
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^^^ Who else except for the bhenc*0d pakis, riding high on mango abdul's sympathy to PA over siachin mass burial.
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"Taliban says multiple suicide bombers are involved...."

This looks like the L-e-T doing a Mumbai on Kabul. This being L-e-T's response to the big bounty being placed for Hafez-e-pig.

If Unkil has real balls, he should unload a couple loaded B-52s on Muridke....
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CNN breaking news:
Official: Attackers take over hotel in central Kabul, Afghanistan, close to presidential palace and U.N. mission
And:
A Taliban spokesman in a mobile phone text message said ‘a lot of suicide bombers’ are involved in the attack.

At least a dozen large explosions and automatic gunfire rocked Kabul on Sunday in what appeared to be a coordinated attack across several areas of the city centre and concentrated on the heavily guarded diplomatic area, Reuters’ witnesses said.
Police officials said attacks were launched in three areas of Kabul.
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Prison that houses around 1000 hardcore militants must have atleast 300 guards. only 100 talibs attack, not a single person died, no reinforcement called though fight went on for hours and 400 people got away.
yeah right, try again isi.
may be after 135 got crushed under the snow they wanted fresh supplies
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ramana wrote:What is 80% sure? Much less than 400% of Mushy! Five time less.
80% is 8 more than the required 72.
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Bannu district is in Mehsud dominated region...
May be its Hakimullah Mehsud`s friends who have been freed..
ISI certainly wouldnt want them freed..
More info needed on this one
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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jrjrao wrote:CNN breaking news:
A Taliban spokesman in a mobile phone text message
A texting tellibunny. What next? A tellibunny scientist in the super collider experiment? Oh wait! There was this paki.... Never mind. They are everywhere, doing everything.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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Jo LaWhore mein....woh Spain mein.....Pakis and their love for chairs. They are either stealing them or breaking them.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

Siachen - A Pakistani Perspective....
In the snowy wastes of Siachen, where Pakistani and Indian soldiers face off in a high-altitude battle zone ringed by Himalayan peaks, the fight is against the mountain, not the man.

In outposts up to 22,000 feet above sea level, the temperature can plunge to 58 below, and linger there for months. Patrolling soldiers tumble into yawning crevasses. Frostbite chews through unprotected flesh. Blizzards blow, weapons seize up and even simple body functions become intolerable.

Some soldiers go crazy and end up “staring into space,” as one veteran put it, unhinged by the dazzling whiteness of rock, sun and snow.

Then there are the avalanches.

The latest occurred on April 7, when a giant wall of snow crashed down on the Pakistani side of the battlefield, swamping the battalion headquarters of 6 Northern Light Infantry, where 124 Pakistani soldiers and 14 civilians were stationed. The avalanche buried a cluster of buildings in 80 feet of snow; a week later, rescuers have yet to pull out a single person, dead or alive.

The battalion’s fate drew an anguished reaction across Pakistan and swung a spotlight onto an often-forgotten corner of the 65-year-old conflict over Kashmir, the disputed mountain territory that lies at the emotional heart of the conflict with India. And it reinvigorated an incendiary question: Is Siachen, a glacier on Kashmir’s northern edge, worth fighting over?

“It is time for both countries to step back from this madness,” said Mehmood Shah, a retired army brigadier who was once involved in talks to end the standoff. “Every day, people die in this conflict. Going on is in nobody’s interest.”

Many critics echoed that view, describing the conflict as a pointless and sinfully expensive battle for a piece of Himalayan real estate that, while stunningly beautiful, is unfit for human habitation. About 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have died at Siachen since 1984, of whom about 90 percent perished from weather-related causes, said the Pakistani military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas.

Military analysts estimate the deployment costs Pakistan $5 million a month; Indian costs are higher still because of higher troop numbers and because supplies are transported by helicopter.

Still, many military strategists and security hawks in both countries insist the fight must go on. In any peace negotiation with Pakistan, wrote Vikram Sood, a former chief of Indian intelligence, Siachen should be the “last issue on the table, not the first.”

Pakistani military photographs of the rescue operation, released in recent days, paint a dispiriting picture of the scene: white-suited rescuers, aided by sniffer dogs, digging amid driving snow; bulldozers tapping into an immense snowdrift. A three-person American military rescue team has arrived to help, and was due to travel to Siachen; German and Swiss experts are already on site.

The effort is now focused on burrowing a 130-foot tunnel toward the troop barracks, where soldiers were sleeping when the avalanche hit. Ominously, the army has already released pictures of those inside: mostly soldiers in their 20s, wearing green berets and striped neck-scarves. Few Pakistanis dare hope any will emerge alive; as many see it, the mountain has won yet again.

“Damn you, Siachen,” Kamran Shafi, a former army officer and a prominent columnist, wrote Friday in The Express Tribune, echoing a widely shared sentiment.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

Siachen - A Pakistani Perspective....
“It is time for both countries to step back from this madness,” said Mehmood Shah, a retired army brigadier who was once involved in talks to end the standoff. “Every day, people die in this conflict. Going on is in nobody’s interest.”
This is EXACTLY the time for India to hang in there. Pakistanis can clear off from the area if they want. I mean come on - I have been sitting on this chair without peeing all day. if I need to pee, I need to pee. I don't say "it's time for all of us to get up and go for a pee now."

The Paki army is under pressure.
1. 140,000 men in the west - that is about 25% of their army - provided the are not lying as usual
2. Waziristan out of control. Bannu attacked today.

Hey but India is the enemy. The Taliban are friends.

The Taliban have gone apeshit in Kabul. But I think they have carefully avoided US tagets. Haven't they?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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B Raman on allowing FDI from TSP
LOW SECURITY IMPLICATIONS: Trade in goods. Expansion of bilateral trade in goods can reduce the trust deficit between the two countries and facilitate a forward movement in improving the comfort level. Its security implications will be the least in the form of an increasing flow of Pakistani intelligence personnel and jihadi leaders to India under the cover of businessmen for establishing contacts with leaders of organisations such as the Indian Mujahideen (IM), for funding them and for giving them instructions. These threats could be managed by the intelligence agencies which have a long experience of dealing with Pakistani intelligence activities in Indian territory and have a good data-base on this.Trade in goods would not enable the ISI to destabilise our economy.
MEDIUM SECURITY IMPLICATIONS
Trade in services and Foreign Direct Investment (FDI).This could enable the Pakistani intelligence to acquire a key presence in sensitive sectors of our economy such as banking, telecommunications, information technology etc and use the presence to disrupt our economy and collect strategic intelligence regarding our economic deficiencies that could be exploited by them.Our intelligence agencies are not yet in a position to deal with such threats effectively and do not have a good data-base on the likely threats and modus operandi of the Pakistani agencies.Even in the case of China, we went slow in these two sectors and even now our intelligence agencies have strong concerns over the wisdom of our allowing Chinese telecom and internet companies a presence in India. It has taken our intelligence agencies nearly 15 years to build up a data-base on Chinese companies with suspected links to their intelligence.They managed to build the data base because they got a lot of data from the intelligence agencies of Western countries which closely monitor Chinese companies.Such data-sharing will not be possible in the case of Pakistani companies which have a little presence in the economies of Western countries. We should, therefore, go slow and build up the capabilities and data-bases of our agencies before we allow Pakistani companies in these fields.
HIGH SECURITY IMPLICATIONS

Foreign Institutional Investments in our stock markets. This has the highest security threat.Allowing either China or Pakistan to invest in our stocks will give them a capability to disrupt our economy through manipulation of their stock holdings.Our intelligence agencies will always be against any FII by either Pakistani or Chinese investors in our stock markets.Should not be allowed.( 14-4-12)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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Bannu jail attack. As far as I can see no security person was killed or injured. What happened?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29 March 2

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http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... trade-ties
Pakistan is the only country in the negative list under the Foreign Exchange Management Act, or FEMA, which prohibits investing in India. The government removed Sri Lanka from the list in 2006 and Bangladesh in 2007.

The department of industrial policy and promotion has proposed that investments from Pakistan may be examined on a case-to-case basis by the Foreign Investment Promotion Board to verify the source and end use of funds.

Investment proposals from Bangladesh, too, are subjected to FIPB scrutiny. The two trade ministers on Friday also agreed to ease the movement of business persons between India Pakistan through a bilateral agreement soon.
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