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ArmenT wrote:Need to rent a mob in Pakistan? BBC News goes into the murky world of:
Investigating Pakistan's 'mobs for hire'

Perhaps this link should be preserved in the sticky first post. What say you, mods?

Or is BBC trying to whitewash Islam, claiming that there is no Islamic extremism, it is all socioeconomic factors which pose as Islamic extremism. This is more of the same root-cause analysis. Instead of seeing it human resource management in Islam, the article may be making the case of social rivalry as Islamism imposter, giving Islam a clean chit.

Falijee wrote:Jhujar- ji :
On reading the YAWN article, I noticed that there is no mention of "On -Line -Purchase/Selling of Bakra Eid Animals" ; so they are still conducting this commerce as in the Stone Age ; or maybe, there is already some "Fatwa"
in existence against "this modern day method of buying and selling"

Janab, Online shopping is frowned by elders , They consider this Frivolous & Foka as Abbajans want to put the animal through personal test and touch before final Mauka.

There is room for Nawaz-Modi meeting on September 28: Ishaq Dar

NEW YORK (Staff Report) – Federal Minister for Finance Ishaq Dar on Friday said that there was room for a meeting between Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi on September 28. However he added that nothing could be confirmed about the meeting at this time.

While talking to reporters the minister said that there have been no meeting between both leaders on the agenda so far. The premier will hold a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the sidelines of United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) on September 28, he said.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif will be addressing the 70th session of United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York on 30th September.

Something brewing here,? ; Ganja to meet Xi on Sept 28 ; Chini blother playing broker?

Pakistan’s first lady Kalsoom Nawaz, National Security Adviser to Prime Minister Sartaj Aziz and Minister of State for Information Technology Anusha Rehman are accompanied the Prime Minister.

So the extended Sharif clan (sons, daughters, son-in-law, brother, sister-in-law, assorted cousins etc ) are not in town this time ( on taxpayer dole) to enjoy the tourist sites of the Big Apple and do a "bit of personal shopping" and, in the process, use the National Airline as their personal taxi

Why do they want to meet Modi so badly?? All noises coming from Pakis only. There was not offer of meeting from Indian side and Pakis said they would not accept any meeting with conditions. Then there was news that they would at least shake hands for photo-op. Then glimmer of hope among pakis and paki loving Indians when both stayed in the same hotel owned by chinese. Now they hope that there could be meeting at leat on 28th. meanwhile NaMo skips referring to Pakis altogether in UN speech. No schedule as released to press indicates that he would be anywhere close to Pakis except in UN assembly.

Meanwhile Indians are studiously maintaining radio Silence.

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Such things must be taken to BENIS thread. Let us keep this for serious discussion only.

My response on this lubricating, lacerating ,mushmomentumous event will get me 2nd warning !!

X Posted from the “India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011” thread.

It is extremely foolish for India in any shape or form to endorse this fallacious notion of “Third Party Mediation”. India has devoted an enormous amount of time and energy starting with the Simla Accord to lay down the policy that there is no room for third party mediation in bilateral relations with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Let us not flush it down the toilet for some self serving US manipulation under the guise that Indian’s themselves arrived at this conclusion.

Let there also be no room for illusion on the part of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism under a Nuclear Umbrella will result in anything but severe punishment being meted out to the Islamic Republic irrespective of the damage India will have to absorb irrespective of any third party mediation attempts:

In an unusual dialogue that highlights Washington's concerns for the region, senior analysts, retired military officers and former diplomats met in Dubai last week to discuss options of pulling back from the brink of a full-blown nuclear war that would cause massive damage in the eventuality of an exchange of tactical (mini) nuclear weapons. ……………………..

The broad scenario that was followed started from a terror strike in India, in which a former ISI Major is caught, prompting Delhi to ask for the handing over of conspirators.

When Pakistan does not comply, India carries out strikes on military targets in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK).

This escalates into a full-blown war, in which an Indian armoured column enters Pakistan, which results in a tactical nuclear strike by Islamabad on its own territory to blunt the Indian attack ..……………

Senior analyst Gurmeet Kanwal, who was present at the dialogue, told ET that among the key lessons that transpired from the three-day project was that third-party mediation would be vital for pulling back India and Pakistan from the brink of a full-blown annihilation war as neither India nor Pakistan would back out after a tactical nuclear strike.

"There was a consensus that deescalation would be vital after a limited nuclear strike and that a third-party mediation would be extremely necessary," Kanwal said.

Read more by Manu Pubby on Economic Times at:

US moderates dialogue on defusing tension post nuclear war between India, Pakistan

http://www.thestatesman.com/news/india/ ... 92729.html

Cables reveal why US ‘sat out’ 1965 war.

Bhurishrava wrote:http://www.thestatesman.com/news/india/cables-reveal-why-us-sat-out-1965-war/92729.html

Cables reveal why US ‘sat out’ 1965 war.

The "cables" clearly state the reasons why US could not afford to "offend" Pakisatan; they obviously had a good thing going at that Badabar Base (subject of the recent TTP attack ) in the pre -satellite espionage days

Bhutto was a grade A sh1thead. And now we have TSP attempts to paint him as a moderate.

Pakistans Hidden Shame

Documentary about Paedophilia and how the pakistani society is full of sickness and depravity.
This has to be brought out as an integral part of paki society.
P.S. It has an opinion of Kaptaan....and he is as unaware of this problem as he is about pakistans polity

Karan M wrote:Bhutto was a grade A sh1thead. And now we have TSP attempts to paint him as a moderate.

have you forgotten his "faithful" family retainers in the Indian presstitute gang ?? thappad and sickular gupta??

The pakis did the right thing by stringing him up. It was self defence onlee.

He was too dangerous to left free.

Imagine a paki civilian who took charge of the paki army and got them into a war where defeat was certain !!!

Karan M wrote:Bhutto was a grade A sh1thead. And now we have TSP attempts to paint him as a moderate.

From what I have read about him, he was a very vindictive and opportunistic, and wanted to cling or get power at all/any costs; I think, Zia had no choice but to string him; either it was ZAB or him ! And Zia knew that, and that was why he did what he did.

Bhurishrava wrote:http://www.thestatesman.com/news/india/ ... 92729.html

Cables reveal why US ‘sat out’ 1965 war.

The cables are as if a mirror to what is happening today!

65- US dependent on Peshwar base
80's - US dependent on Pak for Afghanistan, so got the nukes
21 century- US dependent on Pak for "War on terror".

Phenomenal. Pakistan is brillant in draging US to this region. I doubt if there is any other country who has managed to hold US ba** for a such a long time !

Pak millitary will come up with another plan to drag US back to the region.

falijee
There is room for Nawaz-Modi meeting on September 28: Ishaq Dar

If Ganja meets Modi first thing he will beg that please play cricket with us before he utter Kashmir.

Bhurishrava wrote:http://www.thestatesman.com/news/india/ ... 92729.html

Cables reveal why US ‘sat out’ 1965 war.

The cables confirm that the French proverb Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose (The more it changes, the more it remains the same) fits the two 'Made for Each Other".

Pakistan continues to threaten the US, the US continues to see 'value'in Pakistan etc.

nit wrote:Pak millitary will come up with another plan to drag US back to the region.

It already has, the threat of IS.

I now believe that the coalition of Al Qaeda, ISI, LeT, JeM has the blessings of the US.

nit wrote:

Bhurishrava wrote:http://www.thestatesman.com/news/india/ ... 92729.html

Cables reveal why US ‘sat out’ 1965 war.

The cables are as if a mirror to what is happening today!

65- US dependent on Peshwar base
80's - US dependent on Pak for Afghanistan, so got the nukes
21 century- US dependent on Pak for "War on terror".

Phenomenal. Pakistan is brillant in draging US to this region. I doubt if there is any other country who has managed to hold US ba** for a such a long time !

Pak millitary will come up with another plan to drag US back to the region.

US supports Pakistan because they want to. There is nothing pakistan can do to influence US. It suits for US to invent necessity to excuse its support to Pakistan.

The USAF was apparantly bombing the Iraqi military who were fighting the IS in Iraq.
So what gives

Massa has a "bounty" for the "information and proof" of half-iz suar saeed, a man who roams freely and gives speeches freely in Pakistan!
If that is not emboldening a terrorist, I wonder what it is.

After a Court Order, Pakistan Will Have to Clamp Down on Climate Change

Pretensions By A Third Rate Banana (Islamic!) Republic On The ``Supremacy Of The Rule Of Law`` ; What a joke

Bhurishrava wrote:http://www.thestatesman.com/news/india/ ... 92729.html

Cables reveal why US ‘sat out’ 1965 war.

Pakistan was emboldened to fight a war because of the Patton tanks and other tech donated by US. I really don't know how one would want to spin it as US sitting out of war.

Nawaz Sharif`s Relative - Finance Minister Ishtiaq Dar - Greeted With Protests At N.Y. Mosque

NEW YORK: Pakistanis at a Brooklyn mosque reacted strongly on Thursday upon the arrival of Finance Minister Ishaq Dar and chanted slogan ‘Go Nawaz Go’, ARY News reported.Popular slogan coined by Immy`s party

According to details, a few Pakistanis raged up upon the arrival of the finance minister at the mosque and surrounded him.

Police whisked the minister away and so Dar had to leave the mosque without offering prayers.

So Bakra Eid started with no prayers

Government claims of its popularity aside, but the finance minister might not have even imagined of such embarrassment abroad.

chetak wrote:

Karan M wrote:Bhutto was a grade A sh1thead. And now we have TSP attempts to paint him as a moderate.

have you forgotten his "faithful" family retainers in the Indian presstitute gang ?? thappad and sickular gupta??

The pakis did the right thing by stringing him up. It was self defence onlee.

He was too dangerous to left free.

Imagine a paki civilian who took charge of the paki army and got them into a war where defeat was certain !!!

isn't it the classic de jure things all islamists do? rabble rouse, rally the faithful with a call to arms against the infidels and then skedaddle and play victim if they lose. in this case, bhutto was just playing the mullahs role at the national level.

The fauj's gripe was that Bhutto turned the whole hate India thing into a jingoistic fervor and the fauj actually ended up getting pitted militarily against India - something the Pak Fauj would rather never do.

After the '65 experience, they must have realized that overt warfare was not winnable.

Bhutto, in a way actually called the fauj's bluff on the whole martial thing. If they had not taken him out, it was only a matter of time before he would have made the fauj irrelevent, post their shame of '71, and consolidated all power in him.


Which leads me to wonder that, what would happen, if a strong, jingoistic PM came into power in Pakistan.
We know what happened when Mushy came to power, he tried Kargil, got slapped into his senses, then calmed down.

So badmash or hubby at the helm are ok, because they are benign. If a jingoistic individual comes into power as either the COAS or the PM of Al Bakistan, they will get taken in by the martial-mard-e-moneen thingie and try things.

Nandipur power project to collapse if it gets operational

ISLAMABAD: The Nandipur power project debacle has taken a new turn as in case it gets operational and generates 425-450 megawatts electricity from now onwards, it will collapse and will turn out to be a huge liability of the government as under the existing tariff of Rs11.3073 on furnace oil determined by Nepra, its electricity generation cost is not recovered.

More importantly, he divulged, if the said project gets operational and generates 425MW electricity, then the national exchequer will have to brave loss of Rs6.5 on every unit to be produced by the plant to cater to the full generation cost of one megawatt and if the government does not pick up the financial damage, then Rs6.5 per unit will be added to the circular debt as the tariff given by the Nepra stands at Rs11.3073 on furnace oil against the tariff of Rs18.168 per unit.

The additional loss to the exchequer due to simple cycle operations is estimated at Rs5 per unit in addition to Rs6.5 per unit not allowed by Nepra. This means if the plant is operated for one month, then the combined additional loss will stand at Rs2.5 billion that will be at Rs30 billion if the project is run for one year.

However, the document pertaining to review petition clearly gives the answer that Nandipur project is not feasible under the existing tariff and if its get operational it will turn out to be huge liability.

Cheers

Paki Hero Worship Never Goes Away

Pakistan’s army
Hail to the chief
Politicians are overshadowed by a publicity-seeking general

Ably supported by the Propagandu Unit of the Pakistan Army (a.k.a. I.S.P.R.)

The image of a mustachioed man with peaked cap and a chest full of medals is becoming hard to avoid in Pakistan. It is splashed across the posters of a politician competing in a by-election in the eastern city of Lahore. It looms large on giant billboards in the port city of Karachi, apparently paid for by adoring citizens. And it is a rare day when Pakistan’s chief of army staff is not pictured on a newspaper front page. He has even entered the colourful repertoire of artists who decorate the nation’s trucks and rickshaws. new paint-job will obviously be needed when his time like his predecessors, is up

Nawaz Sharif’s election victory in 2013 resulted in the country’s first transfer of power from one civilian government to another. But the extent of his authority is debatable: the army is reasserting itself.

Some reports have suggested that NS has been reduced to a "ceremonial PM" or the Deputy Commissioner of Slum-bad

Mr Sharif’s hopes of using his landslide majority to clip the army’s wings and run his own foreign policy have so far come to nothing. A trade deal with India has foundered because of the army’s opposition and the difficulties of dealing with a hardline government in Delhi. The trial on charges of high treason of General Musharraf, who ousted Mr Sharif in a coup in 1999, has been kicked into the long grass. NS did not know that "Mushy" is revered by the Bad Sherrif

No one is calling for a drive against the corruption that pervades the army’s vast commercial empire. Nor have questions been asked by Pakistan’s media about how so many gunmen were able to enter the air force camp near Peshawar. General Sharif rushed to the scene and met injured troops. After the attackers were killed his spokesman pronounced the army’s response “a huge success”—another feather in the cap of Pakistan’s strongman.

No mention of Pakjabi-non Pakjabi tension prevailing in this nuclear armed nation

Falijee wrote:The trial on charges of high treason of General Musharraf, who ousted Mr Sharif in a coup in 1999, has been kicked into the long grass. NS did not know that "Mushy" is revered by the Bad Sherrif

I don't know if I can believe that onlee.
Surely he had that much intel on the man he would make his master.
Nawaz thought that elevating a nobody again to the COASs post might mean that he'll be indebdted to him. That was the thinking the last time around too when a Mohajir was made a COAS, bypassing several generals.

Nawaz also knew about the Kargil intrusions, and went along with the plan.

Badmash is not called badmash for no reason

Gagan wrote:

Falijee wrote:The trial on charges of high treason of General Musharraf, who ousted Mr Sharif in a coup in 1999, has been kicked into the long grass. NS did not know that "Mushy" is revered by the Bad Sherrif

Bad Sharif's elder brother was Mushy's batch mate at PMA.

The Angrezi Indian Media channels has started barking for Pakistan as before. When the whole world has moved away from Pakistan, dont understand their obsession with Pakistan. What's not reported about Pakistan is the time at which Nawaz's dog raised its legs. India Media pe Pakistan ka bhoot chad gaya hai .

Yaa
When something just does not make sense, when something unusual like this happens, then one is forced to think that some is pulling all these strings in concert.

The private media is dancing to a tune, probably the bandmaster is in the US embassy. Ombaba will rehyphenate indo pak, now that there are no further big ticket purchases to be made, to placate LaLaLand's generals, and so that the final withdrawal may be as painless as possible.

I am sure the NDTV anchors are told that they must play a very important role in this detente', even as they are being paid in cash and kind.

Criticism Of I.S.P.R. ( Propagandu Unit Of Fauj ) Makes Its Appearance In Paki Press
Is ISPR Crossing the Line?

It’s no more a rumour. The ‘soft coup’ narrative, true or not, is now deeply imbedded in the national discourse. According to an editorial of a leading newspaper, the hard earned civil – military balance lost its pivot and the military is back in the driving seat running not just the foreign and security policy, but also the internal political and development policy. Be it Karachi operation, China Pakistan Economic Corridor or the Civil Services Reform, it’s the Sharif in military regalia taking the credit while the Sharif In ‘Sherwani’ is taking all the criticism. This narrative, whoever is peddling it, is dangerous not just for the sitting government but more so for the military itself. Hero worship no more ?

One tweet by DG ISPR weighs more than a collective effort by the entire Ministry of Information that reigns over several media related institutions including the PTV, Radio Pakistan and etc. While critics take this imbalance in narrative as a larger conspiracy by the military to weaken down civil institutions and democracy by a design, the fact is, it’s really a matter of professionalism as practiced on the two sides.

Take, for instance the ISPR, with its webpage, social media presence, and investments into filmmaking, and compare it with the webpage, social media and activities of the Ministry of Information – the difference will be obvious. This very small yet profound observation reflects the entire situation: A disconnected civilian narrative and information with too many outlets operationalized without a coherent strategy lacking vision and innovation. The result? Senior Cabinet Minister’s presenting different narratives, while Najam Sethi trying too hard to flesh a genius out of misplaced and incoherent communications strategy of the government. The military being good at what it does, hence, by default with a professional media and information management, when it comes to comparison, appears to be driving the country. And why not? With a celebrity status and a following of 1.34million people of DG ISPR on Twitter compared to the absence of his civilian counterpart on the social media platform, the military narrative is the national narrative. Was not this "gentleman", recently promoted for services rendered

...but when this all ends, which it will, the end result of this very narrative will come back to haunt the military for playing a political role. The Paki Fauj has never learnt from history

In this moment of national crisis, the ISPR needs to denounce, and distance itself from the ‘soft coup’ narrative. Learning from the mistakes of the past, a year or two from now, when the Chief won’t be in uniform, the current narrative of ‘soft coup’ that is defining him will be his biggest criticism. General Raheel Sharif has taken remarkable steps for Pakistan, and should be remembered for that, not for placing a ‘soft coup’ on the government. ISPR needs to be cautious with that. Will anyone listen to this "free advice" disbursed from the safe haven of Australia

Hussain Nadim is PhD Candidate and Coordinator South Asia Study Group at University of Sydney

India bars Pakistani High Commission staff from leaving New Delhi

NEW DELHI (Web Desk) – India has barred the staff of Pakistani High Commission from leaving New Delhi amid celebrations of Eid-ul-Azha.

According to Radio Pakistan the staff had made written requests for celebrating Eid at Ajmer Sharif, Simla, Agra and Jaipur with their families.

However Indian Government did not allow them to celebrate Eid along with their families outside the Indian Capital.

If true (source cannot be trusted )More such measures are needed to send signal to Pakisatan

Smerk on Merk-el Face Confirm Paki Smerf's Place
De Hotti Awarat meets German Chancellor Merkel, others

NEW YORK: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Saturday who is presently in New York held a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on the sidelines of United Nations General Assembly session.According to sources, both the leaders had exchange of view on matters relating to economic matters of mutual interestt.Earlier, PM Nawaz Sharif met with Sri Lankan President Maithreepala Sirisena and the founder of Microsoft Bill Gates.Bill Gates, during the meeting, lauded Pakistan’s endeavours to root out polio.The Sri Lankan President stressed upon restoration of Pakistan-Sri Lanka cricket contests. Both the leaders agreed to increase the number of two-nation cricket tournaments.

Wah, Wah!
What a dhamkedar UN visit this is turning out to be for Pakistan.
But Alas, the media back home is onlee singing praises of the great Generallismo and wanting a second term.

Gaganji and others.. excuse me but I am going to do some = = vis a vis Modi and Sharif - as they say PM's from SouthAsia.. sorry if already posted ... but I think, if you haven't seen similar videos.. or live in NY ..a must see..

Here we see how these two PM's are being received/welcomed by their own people in New York ..

From a Masjid in Brooklyn to video message from google ...

Enjoy..

Jhujar wrote:Smerk on Merk-el Face Confirm Paki Smerf's Place
De Hotti Awarat meets German Chancellor Merkel, others

Earlier, PM Nawaz Sharif met with Sri Lankan President Maithreepala Sirisena and the founder of Microsoft Bill Gates.Bill Gates, during the meeting, lauded Pakistan’s endeavours to root out polio.

So if Modi meets with Sundar Pichai, then Nawaz has to meet with Bill Gates!

How's that for equal-equal!

One talks about application portfolio. Other talks about polio application!

portfolio - polio, what does it matter to abduls hain ji?
All is == onlee

Gagan wrote:portfolio - polio, what does it matter to abdulus hain ji?
All is == onlee

Its called P-Awrat-O-Fowllio in Al Bakistanabia

Hotta Na Quaid Jinnah Tho,Pakistan Banana Mush-kill Thaa
Lotta or Gubo Ka Patta Lagna Mushkil Thaa
Vaseleen or Mush Ka Miilan Karwana Mushkill Thaa
Asabhyta Yahan Pehle Ayye , Janmi Hai yahan Incest Ki Balla
Apna Pakistan Woh Pakistan Hai
Jisske Peeche (uppar) Kuffar Sansar Charra .

"TFTAs are very professional and therefore are very good at PR, Civilians are bad at everything and therefore are very bad at PR" is the same statement as
"TFTAs are very professional and therefore are very good at controlling the Civilians, Civilians are bad at everything and therefore are bad at controlling the TFTAs"

Basically TFTAs have guns, have money, have intelligence agencies and are single minded in making sure nobody criticizes them. If you poke around too much, you will be found dead with your ribs kicked in like Saleem Shahzad. If you act too smart you will get a bullet an inch near your jewels like Hamid Mir. If you fail to toe their line, they will tie up your arms and beat you with ropes like Jihadi Sethi.

Therefore if they give out a press release, you better print it and tell how awesome the army chief is.

For all of high falutin that Ejaz Hidehere does, the difference between Civilians and Army is much simpler. No need to come up with complicated words and theories: Civilian space is a contested space. For every party which wins the elections there are 5 other parties who are waiting to beat you in elections. For every journalist you have paid off, five others have been paid off by other political parties and are shilling for them. Same thing for businessmen, bureaucrats, unions, TV anchors, newspaper editors and even members of the party itself. They are all split in their support and loyalty between political parties. The contest is even more bitter than that. If you are the Prime Minister, you can be deposed by members of your own party, or by the Army or lose the next elections and get sent to jail on a foisted charge.

Military space is not a contested space. There is only one army. You either support them or you dont. If you dont, they will kick your ribs in. If you are a TFTA army chief, you get to go home when you feel like it.

Badmash's government is not only fighting for propergandu against the Army, they are also fighting for propergandu against Immy, Altaf Bhai, Ten percenti and numerous others. Therefore they are bad at PR.

Bad Sharif is fighting propergandu against civilians. He has all the guns, unlimited money and knows where you live. He is good at PR. Even Ombaba, Modi and the Pope have criticism leveled against them in every news that covers them (for "balanced coverage"). Nobody dares criticize the chief.


Long Live Bad Sharif (EBUH*)!!

*Extensions Be Upon Him!!

Exactly. Army has biggest guns in Pakistan thanks to Amirkhan. If Amirkhan wanted, they can create another army with bigger guns or simply stop giving guns to Pakistan army. Then, no one will toe the line of army in Pakistan. So, Pakistan army rules only and only because Amirkhan wants them to.