Internal Security Watch

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 19 Feb 2014 10:37

Surasena wrote:Coastal Karnataka is in real danger. Armies is mraching.

Parts of Kannur and Kasaragod Dt. in Kerala, along with the Mangalore Dt. in Karnataka needs to be really watched. Islamic fundamentalism is really gaining foot hold here. In Kerala also there was a recent incident when the PFI bafoons tried to ape an Army, by wearing army uniforms & dark glasses etc. As usual KP did register a case, but nothing heard after that.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 19 Feb 2014 13:33

Sachin, its a funded movement.

Cut the flow of money from gulf and these movements will fall flat.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 19 Feb 2014 17:22

Surasena wrote:ವೆಂಕಟೇಶ ‏@venkateshkm 5m
Coastal Karnataka is in real danger. Armies is mraching. Notice the Arab flag(similarity to Jordan flag) http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_dis ... _id=218224

Dial Gandhi and Nehru for help -- these dudes said only nationalist Muslims are staying back in India.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Feb 2014 19:01

Shankar,it is a travesty and atrocity of the most unimaginable kind to have the killers of an Indian PM -apart from the others around him who died in the blast,have escaped the noose and the actions of the TN politicos and govt. an act of treason.I warned everyone a few years ago about the LTTE reorganising itself in Tamilnadu after their defeat in SL,and the complicity of the local disreputable politicos and the re-emergence of Tamil separatism.The contest between the two Dravidian regimes in glorifying the LTTE has reached its ultimate level with this outrageous act of treason.No self-respecting Indian can remain silent to what is being contemplated.

If Surrender Singh has even an iota of conscience and guts,he should demand that president's rule be imposed on TN and the traitors who are subverting the nation arrested and pout behind bars for treason.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 19 Feb 2014 21:07

Two developments on the same day point to the movements:
a) +1 to Thamil nationalism.
b) -1 to Thelugu nationalism.

Link to the post on this topic

Link to post

Similarly, the uproar over khalisthan(amirkhan opening a case on antionio on this issue) and trying to widen the fissures with the North-east (notice that it was the faithfools who are attacking the north-easterners due to the fall out of Burma, but they have been shielded and instead this has been made into a 'racism' issue). along with the rise of Fordriwal who promises revolution. Basically, all the secessionist forces getting strengthened while the integrationist forces getting weakened. All these are not necessarily the handiwork of the kongis. The kongis are facilitators but not necessarily the prime movers.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 19 Feb 2014 21:36

^^^ The prime movers are the Goras, especially the Americans (the way they have been opening consulates all over India and have got the second largest American diplomatic contingent in the world stationed in India). Cong is the glove. The hand inside is Gora. Sonia is the link between the two.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Feb 2014 22:18

Spot on Sanjay.Remember the US For. Sec's visit to "Madam" JJ which saw her suddenly change tack and root for the Eelamists,an about turn of her previous hard line attitude against the LTTE? What was the deal between Hillary Clinton and JJ?

She is so consumed with power lust for the PM's post that she is willing to betray the nation and release the hard core killers of an Indian PM and those around him who also died.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2014 00:21

Philip wrote:Shankar,it is a travesty and atrocity of the most unimaginable kind to have the killers of an Indian PM -apart from the others around him who died in the blast,have escaped the noose and the actions of the TN politicos and govt. an act of treason.I warned everyone a few years ago about the LTTE reorganising itself in Tamilnadu after their defeat in SL,and the complicity of the local disreputable politicos and the re-emergence of Tamil separatism.The contest between the two Dravidian regimes in glorifying the LTTE has reached its ultimate level with this outrageous act of treason.No self-respecting Indian can remain silent to what is being contemplated.

If Surrender Singh has even an iota of conscience and guts,he should demand that president's rule be imposed on TN and the traitors who are subverting the nation arrested and pout behind bars for treason.

Philip, The slippery slope started with the Congress not implementing the death penalty awarded by the courts in a cynical manner for last 22 years. The unstated reason was their partnership with Karunanidhi and fears of re-igniting the LTTE embers. Having done this all these years, now they suddenly find moral outrage! So this was a political decision.

The Supreme Court commuted the death penalty to life imprisonment with the express opionion that the State had not made up its mind to implment the sentence awarded for 22 years. This was a slap to UP A govt which did execute Afzal Guru with out that long wait.

Now in India 20 years is considered Life Imprisonment. And the accused have been in custody for 22 years ie 2 more years.

Waiting in the wings is Karunanidhi ready to take up this cause of the accused and make it an election plank.

By freeing the accused the TN state has followed the guidelines of the Supreme Court and robbed the Congress ally of an election issue.

Anyway Congress had been feeding biryani to Kasab and can hardly claim to be outraged.

The Hindu

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New Delhi’s apparent rejection of the promise came even as Rahul Gandhi lashed out at the Tamil Nadu government’s decision during a visit to his constituency, Amethi. “If the killers of the Prime Minister of this country are being released, what kind of justice should the common man expect,” Mr. Gandhi asked?

If he was so driven to bring them to justice then how come they were in custody for 22 long years which is more than the 20 years for Life Imprisonment? Can't have selective outrage.

Tamil Nadu’s Cabinet, at an emergency meeting on Tuesday, said the State wanted the release of the prisoners, who earlier won commutation of their death sentences from the Supreme Court.

“If we don’t get their response in three days,” Ms. Jayalalithaa told the State Assembly, “we will release all convicts in accordance with the rights granted under Indian Constitution.”

{Jayalalitha is giving them 3 days to make up their mind and not sit on chai-biskoot due process and give her election headaches to aid the Congress ally DMK!}

Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde said the government was yet to receive any communication from Tamil Nadu on the issue and would only take a decision after it was received.

{Did Shinde ever get anything except to divide duly constituted States? He is always waiting for the post office to deliver him some notice. How many bomb blasts he waited till they happen anc claim he informed the State. By same camel express?}

A highly placed Home Ministry official said Tamil Nadu was only entitled to make a decision to remit the prisoners’ sentences after due process. “This three-day deadline is plain illegal,” he said.

{As suspected they want to sit on it for cha- biskoot and drag the decision. I dont trust a babu who questions a State CM while sitting in Delhi. What due process was he following that allowed the 7 convcits to sit in jail for 22 years?}

National Security Adviser Shiv Shankar Menon, highly placed government sources said, met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, cautioning against the release of the LTTE-linked convicts.

NSA Menon is hardly bothered about national secuirty based on his past behavior.

Sorry the Congress wanted to hand JJ an election trap and she put them in it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2014 03:48

An Op-ed on the commutation issue

RG Killers to walk free-Classic case of arbitrary justice
Live Mint
Siddhart Singh

Twenty-two years after they conspired to assassinate former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi, three convicted terrorists will soon walk free from jail in Tamil Nadu. Photo: HT

It is safe to say that Wednesday marks the nadir of the Indian criminal law system. Twenty-two years after they conspired to assassinate former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi, three convicted terrorists will soon walk free from jail in Tamil Nadu. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court ordered commutation of their death sentences to life imprisonment. The court also cleared the path for the state government to release these killers. It was a foregone conclusion that these people would taste freedom again.

The release of Murugan, Perarivelan and Santhan is one of those strange twists in law and politics where wholly unrelated events combine to produce a travesty.

In recent months and years, the Supreme Court has effectively rewritten the law on capital punishment. Its basis is the violation of human rights due to excessive delays in addressing mercy petitions, carrying out of executions or inordinate delay in trials.

In this case, the added complication is that of local politics in Tamil Nadu. The state has for long harboured sympathy for the Tamil Eelam separatist cause in Sri Lanka. Since the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi in Sriperumbudur on 21 May 1991, sympathy for the four plotters—including Nalini, the lone surviving member of the hit-squad—has never ceased. It is now part and parcel of the competitive politics of the state between the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, or DMK (largely sympathetic to the cause of a Tamil Eelam), and the ruling All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, or AIADMK. The state government did not even wait 24 hours before taking the decision. It was cleared at the highest level of government, by the state cabinet, on Wednesday morning.

So what was originally a perverse interpretation of human rights in Indian criminal law has added to the perversity of the murderers of a former prime minister walking free.

{Should any convicted murderer walk free?}

Unintended consequences

The Supreme Court has effectively diluted the scope and meaning of section 302 of the Indian Penal Code to the point that it is impossible to inflict capital punishment for any crime. Unless, of course, there is immense public pressure (for example, in the rape-and-murder incident in Delhi on 16 December 2012, the sentence for which is yet to be carried out) or the government decides to execute convicts out of political and public pressure (the Pakistani terrorist Ajmal Kasab and Kashmiri terrorist Afzal Guru are examples).

Between these two extremes—public outrage and reasons of state—there is little link between crime and punishment in serious offences. The vast space is occupied by the marshland of procedural justice. A missing affidavit, a late investigation report, a delayed chargesheet or anything else is enough to derail the tightest of cases in India now. Is this fair?

Procedural justice has just one goal: that a whimsical executive cannot act in an arbitrary fashion against those who stand trial. In India, this has gone to such an extreme that there is no distinction between those undertrials who may be at genuine risk of victimization and the vast class of those who go scot-free even after committing the most heinous of crimes.
This is not the way a constitutional democracy works. India is now getting closer to a more arbitrary system of dispensing justice.

Teh real culprit is the Congress party that has not felt the need to carry out the sentences already given for political reasons and is crying foul when the State govt also acted with same political interests. Having been remiss in original duty Congress and its minions cannot talk about the impropriety of TN State Govt action.
Besides Congress has many devious techniques and its not past them to hand a hot potato to JJ govt which is not their ally.
DMK which is corruption doldrums would have used the communtation stick to beat JJ govt.
In any case TN govt asked for three day turn around and not indefinte due process technique.

Any way how about releasing Lt Col Purohit who has been jailed for long years without charges being framed?

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 20 Feb 2014 06:11

I am not sure how Congress is blameworthy. Rajiv Gandhi Assassination is a state subject and there was no congress minister in Tamilnadu from the time he was assassinated until now. Even if the argument is that congress have tieups with state parties who were in power, that argument doesn't fly as Congress doesn't have any participation in Tamilnadu government

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Feb 2014 06:45

^^

The Presidents who sat on the mercy plea all these years were from the Congress. Perhaps an argument can be made to redefine life imprisonment to be for life, but like the Nirbhaya case, it will be too late to help in this matter.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 20 Feb 2014 06:56

Oh yes, but the process is "owned" by state govt. If the president is not responding, they could have gone ahead, right?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Feb 2014 08:25

I support release of prisoners.The carrying out of sentence would have inflamed tamizh chauvinism.Jayalalithas act is one of statesmanship.

India has to be generous. Indian nationalism is inclusive of tamizh linguistic and cultural identity.The 'loser' in this context is eezham tamizh nationalism.India has to be sensitive to the well being of tamizh people in eezham.We are committed to welfare of tamizh people in eezham without anatogonism to sinhalese people.It is going to be a tight rope walk for long time.

Right now the tamils in eezham have lost.And thats painful for Indian nationalists and a red rag to tamizh nationalists in TN.Why should pawns be executed now when DMK is waiting to create ruckus with its fringe groups.Punishment has been meted out to LTTE,Prabhakaran,and a 'death' blow(for 10 years) has made against gora intervention in Eezham.PC has said he is not 'unhappy'.He is a Sonia courtier,an extremely sophisticated chettiar who can 'weigh' all the emotions/issues involved.Let us not forget that Congress is the prime interlocutor between tamils and GOI,even when they are out of power in TN.It will change if modibhai comes to power,but right now it is still the congress.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 20 Feb 2014 10:10

symontk wrote:Oh yes, but the process is "owned" by state govt. If the president is not responding, they could have gone ahead, right?

When the mercy plea is pending with the president, the convicts cannot be hanged. That can be done only after the mercy petition is disposed off.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 20 Feb 2014 10:43

ramana wrote:Now in India 20 years is considered Life Imprisonment. And the accused have been in custody for 22 years ie 2 more years.

There is a bit of confusion here. Actually in many verdicts courts have clearly stated that life sentence really means what it is, i.e the person would remain in a prison for the rest of his life. How ever there are constituitional provisions to give a convict reprieve and the courts have not denied the privilege of the government to use this provision. So it is using this constituitional provision lifers are released. In some states the general trend is after 14 years, and in others it could be 20 years. How ever there were also cases in which prisoners remained behind bars for much more time. Mainly because lack of political clout, or know one really cared for them.

symontk wrote:I am not sure how Congress is blameworthy. Rajiv Gandhi Assassination is a state subject and there was no congress minister in Tamilnadu from the time he was assassinated until now.

I guess it stopped to remain a state subject once the CBI etc. started off with the investigations? Infact Central Govt. is now saying that State Govt. cannot arbitrarily release the prisoners because a central govt. agency was also involved in the investigations.

svenkat wrote:Why should pawns be executed now when DMK is waiting to create ruckus with its fringe groups.Punishment has been meted out to LTTE,Prabhakaran,and a 'death' blow(for 10 years) has made against gora intervention in Eezham.

I have mixed feelings on this

. Perarivalan I guess should be given a benefit of doubt. The only proven charge against him is that he supplied a 9V battery, which was later used to detonate the bomb. The others, especially the Sri Lankan folks are not "pawns". They are all very much active in the conspiracy and landed up in TN for an exclusive purpose. Now letting these folks free, I feel is not the right thing to do. And this chap Murugan's daughter is now well settled in UK, and his folks have started demanding VISAs for the daughter to meet the dad. At least Indian Govt. should chuck out these Sri Lankan terrorists back to their home country. Allowing them to remain in India soil is an insult to all those people (not RG alone) who died in the blast.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 20 Feb 2014 11:05

Venkat, releasing the killers of an ex-PM on specious grounds of upsetting Tamils sets a dangerous precedent for India. No different from what Kashmiris were demanding for Afzal Guru.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Feb 2014 11:25

Middle way out is to parole the prisoners from jail without releasing them. This is what is being done in the case of Sanjay Dutt.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Feb 2014 11:52

When people compare TN to Cahmere,I dont know what to say.

Sachinji,
Even Periravaalan is no innojent babe.But surely people from chera land will undestand the issues.Its a trade off.Is not life all anout tradeoffs whether in Chera,Chozha or Pandyalands or anywhere else?One "Kaladimana Shankaran Nambuthiri" said "All is Maya onlee".Perarivu(Great Intellect

),Murugan,Santhan are pawns in the big picture.Santhan and Murugan have to be sent back to SL or some gora contry-norway,UK or that great poodle-Canada.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Feb 2014 12:02

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Feb 2014 12:09

Vote for Nandan

9 illegal immigrants working on Army premises nabbed

Nine illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, who were working in the Army headquarters for the Karnataka, Kerala and Goa sub area in Bangalore, have been picked up by military intelligence officials and handed over to the Cubbon Park police station.
Police said the nine immigrants were arrested and produced before a magistrate’s court, which remanded them to judicial custody.
Sources said they entered India illegally and came to Bangalore by train via Kolkata. They were staying on the streets in Mangammana Palya and Madiwala. One of them, identified as Mohammed Masoom, had obtained an Aadhaar card.
Joint Commissioner of Police for law and order (east) K V Sharath Chandra confirmed the development and said investigations are on to find out how Masoom got the card.
Investigations have revealed the immigrants were hired by a contractor to clean the Army premises on a daily basis. The contractor, who got the cleaning contract through an annual tender, had employed the immigrants as daily wage workers, police said.
The workers’ language and mannerisms drew the attention of Army officials. They informed military intelligence officials, who picked up the workers. During questioning, the nine revealed they were illegal immigrants.
The police have registered cases against the nine under the provision of the Foreigners Act and also under Passport (Entry into India) Rules, 1950.
Police suspect there may be more illegal immigrants from Bangladesh in the city, and efforts are on to nab them.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Feb 2014 12:40

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/centre-moves-sc-to-stay-release-of-rajiv-assassins/article5708936.ece?homepage=true

Seeking a stay on Tamil Nadu government’s decision to release all seven convicts in Rajiv Gandhi assassination case, the Centre on Thursday moved the Supreme Court which agreed to give an urgent hearing and decided to take up the case later in the day.

Appearing before a bench headed by Chief Justice P Sathasivam, Solicitor General Mohan Parasaran pleaded for a stay saying the state government should not be allowed to release the prisoners till the apex court decided its review petition challenging commutation of death sentence of three condemned prisoners to life imprisonment on ground of delay in deciding mercy petitions.

The bench, after a brief hearing, agreed to hear the case at length and posted it at 12.40 pm.

PMO's press statement

The Government is moving a review petition in the Supreme Court on fundamental issues of law arising from the assassination of the late Shri Rajiv Gandhi.

We have also informed the Tamil Nadu Government that their proposed course of action to release the killers of Shri Rajiv Gandhi is not legally tenable and should not be proceeded with.

The assassination of Shri Rajiv Gandhi was an attack on the soul of India. The release of the killers of a former Prime Minister of India and our great leader, as well as several other innocent Indians, would be contrary to all principles of justice. No government or party should be soft in our fight against terrorism.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 20 Feb 2014 12:42

Sachin wrote:
symontk wrote:I am not sure how Congress is blameworthy. Rajiv Gandhi Assassination is a state subject and there was no congress minister in Tamilnadu from the time he was assassinated until now.
I guess it stopped to remain a state subject once the CBI etc. started off with the investigations? Infact Central Govt. is now saying that State Govt. cannot arbitrarily release the prisoners because a central govt. agency was also involved in the investigations.

The state govt need only consult CBI, CBI doesn't have any stopping powers from a state govt going ahead with death penalty or releasing the prisoners. Only courts can stop the state govt. Since the convicts have served maximum terms, its difficult that courts will increase the time

CBI consultation is only a delaying tactic by central govt. It cannot hold for long. Only if they goes to court again it will be stayed

svenkat wrote:Why should pawns be executed now when DMK is waiting to create ruckus with its fringe groups.Punishment has been meted out to LTTE,Prabhakaran,and a 'death' blow(for 10 years) has made against gora intervention in Eezham.

I have mixed feelings on this . Perarivalan I guess should be given a benefit of doubt. The only proven charge against him is that he supplied a 9V battery, which was later used to detonate the bomb. The others, especially the Sri Lankan folks are not "pawns". They are all very much active in the conspiracy and landed up in TN for an exclusive purpose. Now letting these folks free, I feel is not the right thing to do. And this chap Murugan's daughter is now well settled in UK, and his folks have started demanding VISAs for the daughter to meet the dad. At least Indian Govt. should chuck out these Sri Lankan terrorists back to their home country. Allowing them to remain in India soil is an insult to all those people (not RG alone) who died in the blast.

putnanja wrote:
symontk wrote:Oh yes, but the process is "owned" by state govt. If the president is not responding, they could have gone ahead, right?
When the mercy plea is pending with the president, the convicts cannot be hanged. That can be done only after the mercy petition is disposed off.

Yes but state govt can put pressure on president to get the disposal fast. No one stopped them from doing that

NB: Yes its stretching the laws a bit, but still

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Feb 2014 12:44

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/govt-to-abide-by-sc-decision-in-rajiv-gandhi-case-sibal/article5705445.ece?ref=relatedNews

I think Sibal and PC are going to be roasted very soon.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/centre-tn-face-off-over-freeing-rajiv-case-convicts/article5706886.ece?ref=relatedNews

New Delhi’s apparent rejection of the promise came even as Rahul Gandhi lashed out at the Tamil Nadu government’s decision during a visit to his constituency, Amethi. “If the killers of the Prime Minister of this country are being released, what kind of justice should the common man expect,” Mr. Gandhi asked?

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 20 Feb 2014 13:00

If the Tamils want to join LTTE and pick up arms just because the killers of a PM can't be released then so be it. This country has dealt with far more insidious insurgencies since its independence. One more will be added to the todo list. And trust me the Tamils are overrating themselves on this one. TN is not lagoon infested Jaffna. The insurgency will be rolled up in one week. All I can say is that I am shocked that on BRF we talk about releasing killers of an ex-PM just because they are Tamils.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 20 Feb 2014 13:36

How many other death penalty convicts in queue will benefit from this judgment? I am extremely worried about this, but you cannot fault SC, a string of successive governments have failed to execute on court granted sentence under illegitimate international pressure + political opportunism. The death penalty convicts were put in store to shore up flagging credentials, RG needs to admit that when he cries about justice for his father & PM of India.

@ShankarCag, TN is as much with the national mainstream as it can get. So this talk of insurgency and wrapping it up in a week is not fair. There are issues specific to TN, as there are with all other states. Do you think this issue would have festered if the sentence was executed in the following year of conviction? Our netas play with public emotions and then when these things are unmanageable, the say, sorry out of control.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 20 Feb 2014 16:12

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/jayalalithaa-steals-a-march-on-karunanidhi/article5707017.ece

In 1991, the AIADMK won a massive mandate after the Rajiv Gandhi assassination, benefiting from the sympathy wave for the Congress with which it was in alliance.

Twenty three years later, and ahead of yet another general election, party leader and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa appears to have stolen a march on her political rivals in the State, this time by taking a step toward releasing seven persons convicted of the Rajiv Gandhi assassination .

From a hardcore critic of the LTTE, whose demand for the arrest of its leader Velupillai Prabhakaran won her praise in the 1990s, to lobbying for the freedom of those convicted of killing Rajiv Gandhi, Ms. Jayalalithaa has adopted a position she apparently believes will fetch her enough political traction in Tamil Nadu.

With the Human Right Commission readying to take up the issue of alleged war crimes by Sri Lanka in the military operations against the LTTE next month in Geneva, the State is certain to witness another round of Tamil nationalist activism to lobby for a strong stand by New Delhi against the Rajapkasa government.

Tamil nationalist groups have been demanding the release of the death row convicts in the Rajiv case for years. In recent times, that clamour has grown stronger with the mood in the State against the Rajapaksa government. When the Supreme Court commuted the death penalty of Perarivalan, Murugan and Santhan in the Rajiv Gandhi assassination case to life imprisonment and gave the option to the “appropriate government” to exercise its remission powers, the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister was quick to seize the opportunity.

With her Cabinet adopting a resolution for the release of all seven prisoners, and the three-day deadline to the Centre for its consent, Ms. Jayalalithaa has decisively scored over the likes of DMK president M. Karunanidhi, who consider themselves bigger champions of the Tamil cause, and pre-empted the demands of Tamil nationalist groups.

Regardless of what the Centre decides, Ms. Jayalalithaa would have made her point. If the Centre agrees to the release, she will be the one to reap the political benefits; if not, she will be the one that stood up and demanded it.

The statement by Mr. Karunanidhi reflected her main rival's dilemma. He welcomed the decision, at the same time asserting that the credit for it could not go to the AIADMK alone.
“When I proposed idea of commuting their death sentence in 2011, she ridiculed it. Now,” said Mr. Karunanidhi, “she has taken a decision in favour of it. I welcome her stand.”

He even urged the Centre to give its concurrence to the Cabinet's decision.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 20 Feb 2014 16:25

ShankarCag saar,
what you are saying is wrong. Maybe you were angry when you said that. I think you should delete your post after reconsideration. I haven't reported your post.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2014 19:44

ShankarCag wrote:If the Tamils want to join LTTE and pick up arms just because the killers of a PM can't be released then so be it. This country has dealt with far more insidious insurgencies since its independence. One more will be added to the todo list. And trust me the Tamils are overrating themselves on this one. TN is not lagoon infested Jaffna. The insurgency will be rolled up in one week. All I can say is that I am shocked that on BRF we talk about releasing killers of an ex-PM just because they are Tamils.

What tpretzel logic is this? The Supreme Court changed the death sentence for the three convicts due to inordibnate delay in the appeal process (11 years) and extreme time (22 years) in custody. This was political decision to keep the convicts on slow death in jail. In any other country its called cruel and unusual punishment.
The SC also said that the State had the power to reduce it further.
So TN acted within the law. True there are political compulsions. In fact I had written about them and it played out exactly. Read MK's statement.

So dont make statements about Tamils joining LTTE. Thats not the case.

member_23651 · Post by **member_23651** » 20 Feb 2014 19:55

If they're released, this will lead to stronger demands of releasing all types of terrorists (like the Khali terrorists who also enjoy sympathy among some knuckleheads). Which would be really unfortunate.

They are killers and ought to be treated as one. Period

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 20 Feb 2014 20:14

^^^Ramana garu, Sorry don't agree. Think about it. What message do we send to people who may want to hurt an important leader? As I see it, its like, go ahead kill him, we won't hang you and eventually we will release you. Is that the message we want to send? What you say maybe legally right but in this case the legal POV isn't the only one that merits consideration. Also first the wrong of not hanging the killers and then the wrong of releasing them. Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 20 Feb 2014 20:44

AnantS wrote:If they're released, this will lead to stronger demands of releasing all types of terrorists (like the Khali terrorists who also enjoy sympathy among some knuckleheads). Which would be really unfortunate.

That Bhullar chap may get pardoned soon. And the sidekicks of dear old Veeru (Sri. Veerappan) has also been pardoned. Given that this is the situation in India, I don't blame Vijaya Kumar and his boys in dealing with Veeru the way Veeru always dealt with people

.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 21 Feb 2014 00:12

Look at this recent supreme court order. A man sodomized and killed a 10 year boy brutally, and still the court removed his death sentence and sentenced him to 36 years in jail because this is not a "rarest of rare" cases. have they gone crazy? We should have zero tolerance for anyone who sexually assaults or kills minors.

SC awards 36 yrs jail term to man for sodomising, killing boy

Didn't the last revision of law against rape cite death sentence for raping and killing minors? I thought after nirbhaya episode, the law was made strict in this aspect.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Feb 2014 05:44

Saar, I dont but many especially in day to day India feel law has broken down. they state that it better to kill and go to a few years in jail than follow judicial process.

If justice continues to be denied and lawbreakers are being champoined by Media and foreign funded NGO's then India will go into anarchy. Perhaps this is why the Arundhati Roy's and Anjana Chaterjee's and whole bunch is propped up.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Feb 2014 08:04

The courts themselves are causes for the delay in a great number of cases, both civil and criminal. While it is easy for the SC to advise the Government (the advice itself is not wrong), what are the courts going to do about their slow processes ? Aren't they inflicting cruelty to the litigants ?

BTW, I am totally opposed to the unwanted reference to 'remission' in the judgement which built up pressure on the state government in a state where competitive, one-upmanship 'political governance' is the rule. The reference was twisted to mean that either the SC itself has asked them to be released or advised the government to do so. Once this view became widely prevalent, it became untenable for the government not to act accordingly. I am appalled by the judgement.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 21 Feb 2014 10:16

Aditya_V wrote:Saar, I dont but many especially in day to day India feel law has broken down. they state that it better to kill and go to a few years in jail than follow judicial process.

I know about a case in Kerala where a man did exactly this. His only daughter (a child) was raped and killed by a young chap. This fellow went and killed the young man (this fellow was err. from a minority community). The father was sentenced for life, but the state government let him off at the earliest possible chance. Today he is back at home, and more focused on spirituality. But for the common people he is now a kind of an icon.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 21 Feb 2014 23:27

It is atrocious that these murderers will be released. Yes, they should have been hung long back but how does that turn into releasing is ok? They can stay in jail till they die of old age or whatever.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 22 Feb 2014 03:10

Sad to see terrorist sympathisers hide behind 'human rights' when it comes to Rajiv Gandhi's killers. They should rot in jail for life. If similar arguments were used for Kasab or Afzal Guru there would, and right so, be outrage.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 24 Feb 2014 15:42

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 24 Feb 2014 19:25

Muslim Hooliganism in Chennai

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 25 Feb 2014 01:19

^^ From above Muslim Hooliganism article

... persons belonging to TMMK (Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam), TNTJ (Tamil Nadu Tauheed Jamath) and a few other Islamic outfits stormed the police station

TMMK achieved its notoriety by threatening to burn the theaters if they showed Kamal Hassan's Viswaroopam

When we went near our people, Muslims were shouting “Allah Zindabad and “Pakistan Zindabad.” However, the police kept quiet and instead of taking action against them, they asked us to leave from the spot. In fact, the police were literally driving us away from the place

Please dont jump to conclusions & keep this in mind: Indian Muslims are very different from Pakis. The silent majority vehemently condemns these acts in the shrill loudness of their imaginations.

The police reaction is interesting, to say the least. One of the tweeters (who lives in that street) said that he saw the policemen shaking hands with the Muslim ~~molesters~~ faithful. I had heard similar reports about police behavior in Mamata's West Bengal. Didnt expect to see it in Chennai so soon.