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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 17:11
by habal
they have been waiting for NFZ from beginning of this war. By all accounts, it is going to be a long wait.

Somewhat like Veerappa Soily waiting for oil import lobbies to ease pressure. :rotfl:

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Turkey is lynchpin of this Arab Spring social manipulation as per this article. Turkish leaders Erdogan and Abdullah Gul via their management of Muslim Brotherhood, managed to install MB puppets in Yemen, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt. They wish to extend that to Syria now.
It is important to remember that the label “Arab Spring” given by the West is a deception to make people believe that the Tunisian and Egyptian governments were overthrown by a mass movement. While there was a popular revolution in Tunisia, its goal was not to change the regime, but to achieve economic and social changes. It was the United States, not the street, that ordered Zinedine el Abidine Ben Ali and Hosni Mubarak to step down. Then it was NATO that toppled and lynched Muammar al-Gaddafi. And it is again NATO and the GCC that have fueled the attack against Syria.
Across North Africa—with the exception of Algeria—the Muslim Brotherhood have been placed in power by Hillary Clinton. Everywhere, Turkish communications advisors are on board, courtesy of the Erdogan government. Everywhere, “democracy” was a facade which allowed the Brothers to Islamize firms in exchange for embracing the pseudo-liberal capitalism of the United States.

The term “Islamize” reflects the rhetoric employed by the Brothers, not reality. The Brotherhood intends to control the privacy of individuals based on principles which are outside the scope of the Quran. It calls into question the role of women in society and imposes an austere lifestyle without alcohol or cigarettes, and without sex…at least for others.
Over the past ten years, the Brotherhood has stayed under the radar, leaving the transformation of public education in the hands of the sect run by Fethullah Gülen, of which President Abdullah Gül is a member.

Saleha Mahmood Abedin, the mother of Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff, reportedly served in the women’s division of the Muslim Brotherhood alongside the wife of Egypt’s new president, the Brotherhood’s Mohammed Mursi.
Although the Brotherhood flaunts its hatred for the American way of life, it thrives under the protective wing of the Anglo-Americans (UK, USA, Israel) who have always been able to use its violence against those who resisted them. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had appointed to her cabinet her former “body woman,” Huma Abedin (wife of former Zionist Congressman Anthony Weiner), whose mother Saleha Abedin presides the women’s division of the Brotherhood. It was through this channel that Clinton stirred up the Brotherhood.
The Brothers purveyed the ideology of Al-Qaeda, through one of their members: Ayman al-Zawahiri, the organizer of President Sadat’s assassination and currently the leader of the terrorist organization. Al-Zawahiri, like Bin Laden, has always been an agent of U.S. services. Although officially listed as a public enemy, from 1997 to 2001 he met regularly with the CIA at the U.S. Embassy in Baku in the context “Operation Gladio B,” as testified by former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds [1].

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 17:50
by shyamd
Waiting for NFZ - that one has been explained before. The rebels were armed with some SAMs (we saw Migs being shot down) and took out the airbases/radar sites near the borders (north and South) removing the ability to keep eyes on the borders allowing for more weapons to move in. This was in response to US refusal to back an NFZ. How do you think they were getting weapons in the south, Damascus and north. All the rebels need are good quality weaponry - Quality SAMs and good quality ATGMs, more deliveries of bullets. A NFZ over 10 or 25 miles will help make the process easier but fundamentally on the ground thats what rebels need to win.

25 miles NFZ is more about cordonne sanitaire and dealing with Humanitarian issues. For example Jordanians have blocked Palestinian origin refugees entering. Its a lot more complex.

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Some people I speak to are expecting US military action against Asad in a matter of weeks. Some highly skeptical. And no these are not ordinary joes. In the last 48 hours at least 20 tons of military supplies were shifted via turkish border into syria.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 18:31
by Lalmohan
^^^ ah yes, but the rebels will get more a-o-a shouting beard sporting tight jean wearing 'commanders' who blast off all that nice ammo into the sky and get shot by a sniper in the process

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 18:44
by Philip
If the west up the ante.then assymetrical measurrs will happen, widening the conflict

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 18:45
by Lalmohan
we are sleep walking into a major meltdown here...

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 18:59
by shyamd
Sunni's have started mobilizing the average abdul. Its very very serious now. A MB leader just announced he and his volunteers are heading for Syria.

Even in Europe some will answer the call - whether financial or other.

Problem isn't numbers for the rebels - its quality weaponry.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:23
by Kati
^^^^

Not so easy for FSA even with the western heavy arms.
The key element will be Iraq, where 60% people are shia. Yes, it'll be a long drawn battle,
but it's not going to be a cake-walk for either side.

The most amazing thing that is to be studied is how the US/west turned the Iraqi quagmire, where
the US/west was like an elephant caught in deep sticky mud, turned the situation into a shia-sunni fight.

It is known that since 2007 US started bribing the sunni elements of Anbar province at the tune of
300 million $ per month to silence its guns against US/western forces. I guess, the bribing still goes on.
Look at the US-west casualty figures in Iraq in the last few years.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:28
by Samudragupta
shyamd wrote:Sunni's have started mobilizing the average abdul. Its very very serious now. A MB leader just announced he and his volunteers are heading for Syria.

Even in Europe some will answer the call - whether financial or other.
Egyptian MB??....sunnis were mobilized long time back...i wonder when are going to see SES ans LEJ/Let in Syria....

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:34
by Lalmohan
personally i dont have a problem if the sunnis and shias want to kill each other in the holy land - as long as the price of oil doesnt go up
(and i hope lots of pak lashkars volunteer to go fight with their a-o-a birathers and four-firathers)

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:36
by shyamd
Samudragupta wrote:Egyptian MB??....sunnis were mobilized long time back...i wonder when are going to see SES ans LEJ/Let in Syria....
No religious calls were made by the biggest leaders of the sunni ulema. Qaradawi and a few smaller ones did. Now they have across the senior sunni ulema.

1 dead Paki yesterday and his ID card was shown.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:48
by habal
If Sunnis were all so powerful that one clarion call by some buddha cleric would change things, then Sunnis would have long overthrown the Anglo-Saxons who have f****d with them inside out repeatedly and thrown them out as discarded rag. Intelligence agencies of the usual suspect countries like Turkey, Jordan, Saudi, Paki and to a lesser extent Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain etc have mustered as many irregulars as they can and sent them over to Iraq.

This is the sum total of the effective Sunni force they can access. Baaqi sab dheenge maarne ke barabar hain.

Statements like numbers were never a problem - only weapons. Laughable to say the least.

That was always the problem - weapons in the hands of those that know how to use them intelligently.

When those with weapons have little clue of guerrila warfare and waste bullets to act macho. These are the numbers you were talking about. These guys have no military brains. More of such guys on the ground can only waste more bullets.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:54
by shyamd
habal wrote: When those with weapons have little clue of guerrila warfare and waste bullets to act macho. These are the numbers you were talking about. These guys have no military brains. More of such guys on the ground can only waste more bullets.
Give us quotes from Hezbollah/regime on the rebel fighters in Qusair and lets see if what you are saying is backed up by evidence.

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Times: UK-US-France holding emergency talks on how to implement NFZ

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 19:58
by habal
Why ? You can't watch utube videos of area defence by brave rebel ghazis ?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:02
by shyamd
So you made the decision that they have "little clue of guerrilla warfare" by watching 3 videos posted on this forum. So I don't think its unreasonable for me to ask what Hezbollah said about the fighters and tactics in Qusair... you should have plenty of support for your info if we are quoting from Hezb shouldnt we?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:03
by brihaspati
It is important to follow the Sunni mobilization arguments and the methods employed. This is a training ground for greater expansion to the west and east. Since Europe is needed on side, this "west" does not mean "west into Europe" but for the moment a consolidation in North Africa. In the East - both Russia and China needed on side for now - so expansion will be towards India.

The "investments" from Gulf should therefore be seen as "lulling to sleep" and strengthen the hands of those Indian voices which try to portray the Sunni agenda as completely innocent - until the ME has been reordered to Saudi designs. For the moment even Israel will be preserved - because it helps to keep lines open to US, preserves a devil to unify disparate Sunni groups, but no such protection is needed for India - which can absorb the surplus jihadi zeal spilling over from Saudi-Sunni mobilization.

The methods employed against Syria will be the ones employed against India too - at some future stage.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:10
by brihaspati
Folks, there should be FSA admiration Hezbollah bashing thread formed on the forum. We cannot make Sunni-mobilization/winning/Assadfall aspirants disappointed. That might stop of the flow of gazillions of investments from the Gulf into India.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:10
by Samudragupta
SAA is a highly mechanized forced trained to fight a high intensity mechanized battle in the Golan...it is not at all adept in fighting an insurgency...from the beginning of the baath rule itself any sign of rebellion were ruthlessly crushed using heavy mechanized formations as was in Hama in 1982......in the beginning of the civil war SAA faced a determined Jihadi irregulars with standard tactics of luring the SAA in urban environments and then ambushing them in the streets......SAA didnt had a standard answer to this Jihadi tactics until the arrival of Hezb...which is highly trained light infantry and expert in urban combat....and have successfully neutralized the jihadis in the urban environment...unless the Jihadis get the numbers which probably they will have after the call of the so called sunni ulemas....and also heavy weaponry to counter the heavily mechanized SAA they cannot turned the tide of the battle.....

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:12
by RoyG
brihaspati wrote:It is important to follow the Sunni mobilization arguments and the methods employed. This is a training ground for greater expansion to the west and east. Since Europe is needed on side, this "west" does not mean "west into Europe" but for the moment a consolidation in North Africa. In the East - both Russia and China needed on side for now - so expansion will be towards India.

The "investments" from Gulf should therefore be seen as "lulling to sleep" and strengthen the hands of those Indian voices which try to portray the Sunni agenda as completely innocent - until the ME has been reordered to Saudi designs. For the moment even Israel will be preserved - because it helps to keep lines open to US, preserves a devil to unify disparate Sunni groups, but no such protection is needed for India - which can absorb the surplus jihadi zeal spilling over from Saudi-Sunni mobilization.

The methods employed against Syria will be the ones employed against India too - at some future stage.
I've been saying this as well. This conflict has to continue to simmer otherwise the Sunnis will shift their focus to India. Myanmar is already being proactive about diluting the influence of Islam in certain regions of the county. IMO, the NE is where it will all start.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:14
by brihaspati
They want to do this now under air-cover. They would go for Assad's air dominance. Meanwhile, can people see here how much Saudi money and oil can influence foreign policy of other nations - even as "big" ones like the USA?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:18
by habal
Urban warfare by gladio force was first tested in Mumbai. A large cosmopolitan city. They are trying to ascertain which combination works against India.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:20
by Samudragupta
brihaspati wrote:They want to do this now under air-cover. They would go for Assad's air dominance. Meanwhile, can people see here how much Saudi money and oil can influence foreign policy of other nations - even as "big" ones like the USA?
B ji will the west take the risk of providing SAM's to the Jihadis....i think this will be mostly heavy weaponry suited for urban combat...bringing out the Assad's airforce even with west provided SAMs will require a trained manpower not just ragtag jihadis...

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 20:56
by brihaspati
Thats why they would keep that portion of the job in their own hands, and use their own fighters to suppress or take down Asssad's crafts/support infrastructure. I guess the pressure by the Saudis was so high, they they decided on this compromise by which they would not have to hand over stuff they don't want - and do the butcher's job themselves on behalf of the Saudis.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 21:05
by shyamd
Tested in India already. See early 90s and Kargil - they were hoping for Kashmiri's to rise... They've been trying for a while. They'll probably try again around 2015 or after they consolidate afghanistan.

Kargil is a good example where they thought IAF planes couldn't fly such altitude.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 21:07
by shyamd
RoyG wrote: I've been saying this as well. This conflict has to continue to simmer otherwise the Sunnis will shift their focus to India. Myanmar is already being proactive about diluting the influence of Islam in certain regions of the county. IMO, the NE is where it will all start.
AfPak is more relevant for us than syria

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 21:30
by vishvak
shyamd wrote:Tested in India already. See early 90s and Kargil - they were hoping for Kashmiri's to rise... They've been trying for a while. They'll probably try again around 2015 or after they consolidate afghanistan.

Kargil is a good example where they thought IAF planes couldn't fly such altitude.
So what has India done about it is more important. Votebank politics and corruption at BD border does no good.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 21:35
by shyamd
See http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1425445
And follow that thread if you wish to see what India is doing
We are going off topic.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 21:36
by Lalmohan
let the well armed and equipped saudi airforce enforce the no fly zone

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 21:53
by brihaspati
Well, the Syrian model needs a significant internal Islamic radical population, as well as access to military training/hardware within the state as part of state admin/army/coercive structures. This then needs to combine with a Muslim external interest that has state power and can also coopt the US/UK/NATO hardware/skill.

It is not just straight external Kargil type army-to-army intervention. Therefore, to repeat it here, they need to protect and let the power of the mullahcracy grow.

The Syrian model should be studied to study the relatively new Saudi tactics of developing and using a domestic support base through long term and careful build up of Sunni institutions and their interconnection to the Saudi regimes and theologians. Saudis failed before because they did not invest intensively in this aspect of extending their Islamic take-over model.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 22:21
by vishvak
Moreover, the strong jehadi attacks are just one part of it. After stretching shia Hezbullah and Russian supply limited to SAA forces, it is now that American and European forces may come out more and more forcefully. The Russian supply is not as effective because SAA is not familiar with urban warfare while jehadis are. Also SAA forces are limited geographically, aided only by Hezbullah while sunni jehadis are having much more strength apparently. After all the warfare only now USA may come out in full support which is perhaps one of the most important factor here.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 22:56
by shyamd
Putin to meet Cameron in Downing Street ahead of G8 meeting. Syria is expected to be discussed.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 14 Jun 2013 23:23
by Austin
White House says Syria no-fly zone would be costly and difficult
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House said on Friday it would be dramatically more difficult and costly to set up a no-fly zone over Syria than it was in Libya, stressing that the United States does not have a national interest in pursuing that option.

"We feel like the best course of action is to try to strengthen a moderate opposition," Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes told a news briefing.

He said the United States did not want to send U.S. troops - or "boots on the ground" - to Syria and said enforcing a no-fly zone over the country could require intense, open-ended U.S. military engagement.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 01:06
by shyamd
US-France talks go ahead as Syria as no-fly zone is ‘planned’
Britain, the United States and France are holding emergency talks to discuss how and when to arm the Syrian rebels and to weigh up the risks of imposing a no-fly zone.
The White House gave the go-ahead for some form of military assistance to Syrian rebels after announcing that there was clear evidence of chemical weapons having been used by the forces of President Bashar-al Assad.
Both Britain and France have welcomed the announcement.
United States military planners are now gearing up for what looks set to be the most high-risk overseas operation since the beginning of the Arab Spring. So far it is being packaged as a limited mission, to reassure the domestic audiences and avoid a clash in the United Nations with Russia and China.
David Cameron is due to talk to President Obama this evening. A Downing Street spokesman said: “No decision has been taken [to arm the rebels] but we are continuing to discuss this with our international partners.”
On the no-fly zone, the spokesman said: “We have always been clear that nothing is off the table.”
Since Mr Cameron is committed to a House of Commons debate before pressing ahead with arms deliveries, British officials are very cautious about making public statements. Contingency plans have however been drawn up. US and British personnel are already on the ground in Jordan training members of the Free Syrian Army.

Senior French and British officials were in contact yesterday. But the main political decisions are likely to be taken on the fringes of the G8 summit in Northern Ireland early next week.
President Obama and President Putin are to use the summit to discuss Syria and the implications of arming the rebels on any future peace talks.
The Pentagon has started to draw up a list of weapons that could make a difference to the rebels’ cause. The focus is expected to be on shoulder-launched anti-tank guns, ammunition and command-and-control systems. Reaction in London was welcoming but cautious.
“This could preclude us having to arm the rebels [David Cameron had already announced the UK military was looking into the mechanism of arming the rebels],” a senior British defence source said.
“However, it could become a joint enterprise. But there’s no definite decision yet either by the British Government or the Obama administration,” the source said.

UK defence officials pointed out that the Saudis and Qataris had been arming the rebels for months. “So I don’t think American arms will be a massive game-changer. The rebels can’t be given high-tech weaponry because they won’t have the training or capability to utilise them,” one official said.
The no-fly zone, as presently envisaged, would probably establish a 40km buffer area stretching into Syrian air space, and the aim would be to protect Jordan from artillery assault from troops of the Assad regime.

As long as the US did not seek total command over the Syrian skies, and as long as it projected its role there as essentially defensive of Jordan’s borders and its large population of refugees, then a limited no-fly zone could be put in place without a UN Security Council Resolution. The US has already moved Patriot air defence batteries and F16 fighter planes to Jordan.
The military purpose, though, would be to assure a safe flow of weapons to the rebels in Syria. And it could even, within a self-limiting brief, be able to bring a sense of threat to the Assad regime.
The US could justify the elimination of artillery or the destruction of runways in this stretch of Syria. The ultimate effect would be to create a safe haven for those fleeing the conflict — and destabilise the Assad Government, rather than Jordan.

But critics say that the decision to arm — which has still not been spelled out — has come too late to head off a devastating battle for Aleppo in the north. Government troops have been massing outside the ancient city with the aim of smashing the last big rebel-held stronghold.
The commander of the Free Syrian Army, General Salim Idriss, was due to meet British and French officials today to discuss arms supplies across the Turkish-Syrian border, the only practical way of girding the Aleppo rebels for the fighting ahead. He has presented a shopping list that includes hundreds of anti-tank weapons, shoulder-held anti-aircraft weapons and small-arms ammunition.
Both Britain and France persuaded the EU to lift its arms embargo against Syria but have said that they will hold off with deliveries until August.
The diplomatic goal would be to put pressure on Mr Assad to come to the negotiating table in Geneva. But his troops, backed by the Lebanon-based Hezbollah militias and Iranian advisers, have taken this as a spur to capture as much rebel terrain as possible before the conference.
British officials thus argue that deliveries should start earlier — if only to help to preserve the rebel stronghold of Aleppo.
The main US fear, and the reason for its long hesitation, has been that its involvement could lead to a political and diplomatic debacle experienced — in the view of many Republicans — in the Libyan intervention.
US officials have argued until now that Syria is even riskier than Libya. It has a very sophisticated air defence system and the clear support of Russia and Iran.
America has taken more than two months to arrive at its judgment that the Syrian leader has crossed Mr Obama’s “red line”.
The decision follows robust recommendations from some of his second-term team of advisers, especially Susan Rice, his new National Security Adviser.
The first time Mr Obama considered the option, his first-term team, including Hillary Clinton, then Secretary of State, Leon Panetta, the Defence Secretary, and David Petraeus, the former CIA director, all supported the idea.
But Mr Obama overruled them and chose to stick to diplomatic pressure and humanitarian aid.
“There’s been a sinking sense since then that something more must be done, but action now is not going to save the cities of Homs and Aleppo from falling back under Damascus control. It will come too late,” one Western diplomatic official said.
Mr Obama’s declaration put Nato on the spot and looked set to cause divisions within the alliance. “There’s absolutely no enthusiasm in Nato to intervene in Syria on behalf of the rebels,” a senior alliance diplomatic source said.
“The idea that the whole of Nato will back action in Syria is fanciful. The only time when the alliance will start seriously to consider taking action is if there’s a dramatic spillover of violence into the neighbouring region or if there’s a direct attack on Turkey,” the source said.
An attack on Turkey [a member of Nato] would be a straightforward decision for the alliance, a slam-dunk as the Americans would say. The alliance also has a commitment to regional stability, so a spillover could lead to action, but military intervention to support the rebels? That’s not on the cards,” the alliance source said.
Nato military chiefs, with the US in the lead, have drawn up a number of contingency plans for Syria, including a no-fly zone. But officials say there is no political consensus for intervening either by arming the rebels or enforcing a no-fly zone.
“It was hard enough to get Nato to back a no-fly zone in Libya and that was a much easier operation. Syria is a different prospect altogether. Is the US or Nato going to order Syria to stop using air power? They can’t do that without enforcing a countrywide no-fly zone and no one is going to attempt to do that,” the Nato source said.
Alliance officials also cast doubt on the purpose of a proposed limited no-fly zone on the Jordanian border which could cost an estimated $50 million a day, according to Washington estimates.
“The refugees are not being attacked by the Syrian forces, so there’s no justification for implementing a no-fly zone on the border, and having one there won’t help the rebels unless the protected area can be used for military training. It will also be very difficult to enforce,” the diplomatic source said.
Last week, General Philip Breedlove, the new Nato supreme allied commander, warned that any enforcement of a no-fly zone would be “an act of war” against Syria.
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Update: Obama held a video conference on Syria with the PM/Chancellor of Germany, France, UK, Italy ahead of G8.
Cameron had a separate video conference iwth Cameron and they both agreed to meet again before G8. Putin due in Downing street on Sunday eve.

Things moving quite fast.

Reuters: The United States is likely to send weaponry like rocket-propelled grenades and mortars to Syria's rebels after President Barack Obama approved arming the insurgents, sources said on Friday.

Two European security sources said the United States would increase the caliber of the arms and ammunition being supplied to the rebels by regional powers including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, as well as supply some heavier weapons, including RPGs.


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King Abdullah arrives in Kingdom due to events in the region... I.e Syria. Saudi base in the north witnessing activity and there are rumours that their military command have been placed on state of alert, staff on leave have had it cancelled. Emphasise these are rumours

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 08:31
by Austin
Talal calls on Arabs to withdraw their ambassadors from Russia
Saudi Prince Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, half-brother of King Abdullah and the father of a businessman Prince Alwaleed, the Arab states to withdraw their ambassadors from Russia, in response to the Moscow Declaration intention to provide the regime of President Bashar al-Assad with a sophisticated missile systems.

Prince Talal, in Tweet him via his official site "Twitter," he said, "bothered me what appeared in the media about arming Russia to Syria's Assad missiles S300 I would have liked if taken the Arab League and all the countries decided to withdraw their ambassadors (for consultation) in response to that."

Prince, who had to resign from "Allegiance Council" Saudi Arabia, it was considered that this act in itself "will stir the stagnant water in the Arab-Russian relations" against the backdrop of the variance in viewpoints between the side toward the Syrian file.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 14:14
by shyamd
Source (This one is Saudi): Back channel talks with Russians on going to Bashar via Rus. Message being delivered to Bashar:

1. If you use any of your chemical weapons against any if your neighbours, you will be "obliterated"
2. To stop international military intervention, Ask Hezbollah to withdraw from Syria and stop usage of SCUDS against the people. This is to prove that you are serious about a political solution.

As you all know Eager Lion has Ben taking place for the last few days and are due to complete next week. All units have been ordered to stay in Jordan. They are practicing SEAD missions. Te Jordanian Air Force will be provided the Sniper Pod made by Lockheed Martin for SEAD missions in Syria.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 14:38
by Lalmohan
jordanians maybe provided sniper pods, but will they learn how to use them in a few weeks?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 14:48
by shyamd
No idea, only a pilot of F16 can confirm that. I imagine they already use other pods. What I was told wast that the Sniper pod allows them to see further.

Or the option is probably to let the US F16s deal with the SEAD stuff and JAF just do the policing after...

LAVROV:USE OF F-16 FIGHTER JETS,PATRIOT FROM JORDAN TO ENFORCE POTENTIAL NO-FLY ZONE OVER SYRIA WOULD BE "VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW"

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 15:02
by member_20292
^^
why is russia supplying Syria so much? is bashar that good a friend of theirs? why are they poking the arabs and the west in the eye?

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 15:03
by Lalmohan
huff post reckons its putin's way of sticking one in the eye for their main commercial rivals (i.e. oil suppliers) - gulf sheikhs

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 15:04
by member_20292
^^

If he is such a good pal,along with Iran, and both are supplied by Russia...I have a small lament.

We respond stupidly when we refuse to influence the goings on in Nepal, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar, etc.
All large nations seek to bend events in their neighbours to their will. Time we learnt and did this.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Posted: 15 Jun 2013 15:05
by Lalmohan
unfortunately, most of our little neighbours believe we do, even if we ourselves don't