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kapilrdave wrote:
RajeshA wrote:AAP can really be contained by waging a Social Media campaign against them simply on frivolous matters, doing with all the ways they are not Aam Aadmi, their agenda is socialist, there is nothing to their ideas, their ideas are stolen, their treatment of other citizens, etc.

This keeps them off-balance and on the defensive, and basically they won't be able to achieve much in Dehi in the next couple of months.
True words. SM is the silver bullet against AAP who has no actual cadre on ground. Actually SM can be used to split anti bjp votes into AAP and others by targeting AAP's pro minority views and stand on Kashmir.
There is a committed AAP cadre on SM, mostly Jholawalas, and they are anti-BJP. They have then thousands of followers - Yuppies, Idealistic. Yuppies and Idealistic are fickle supporters.

If you convince the Yuppies that AAP is just Socialist Wine in an Aam Aadmi Bottle, he may reconsider. If you convince the Idealistic that AAP is full of not just corrupt but also anti-national people, he may reconsider.

The thing is that AAP Jholawalas can only use Congress missiles to attack Modi - snoopgate, 2002, Yeddy, etc. These missiles have already shown to be ineffective. If they use these same missiles, one can paint them as Congis. Their MIC only produces anti-corruption grenades, and against NaMo those would also meet an impenetrable wall. Besides one should return the attack with anti-corruption grenades as well - missing IAC Andolan donation money, Anna Card revenues, etc. It suffices to have any little thing against those who like to play moral apostles. Kejriwal is corrupt, socialist and anti-national, should be the line. Bharatiyas always have to be on the offensive.

This SM battle would piss off enough of their followers, the potential Yuppies and Idealists, that either they wouldn't vote or they would come over to BJP.
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X-post from NaMo & Dynasty thread:

So Bianca is being slowly brought in after Robert ji has been pushed to a safe distance...

Priyanka Gandhi chairs Congress meeting at Rahul’s home
At least two senior Congress leaders said she will take on a ‘larger role’ in scripting the party’s campaign strategy
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grapevine on twitter:

Marandi reconsidering joining NDA, he wants alliance in Assembly elections also and wants to be declared as CM candidate. He wants 50:50 seat sharing in assembly and ready to give 9:5 in favor of BJP for lok sabha.
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Apparently "almost confirmed"

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bhargava wrote:Apparently "almost confirmed"

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Can we have a list of all the JDU MLA's and MP's who have defected to BJP. The list will be good. So far if we add these 3, I think number of MP defections will be close to 7.
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One more data point ( from @gis_research )

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muraliravi wrote:grapevine on twitter:

Marandi reconsidering joining NDA, he wants alliance in Assembly elections also and wants to be declared as CM candidate. He wants 50:50 seat sharing in assembly and ready to give 9:5 in favor of BJP for lok sabha.
I would say take it. Munda hasn't been bad but is unable to mobilize voters. Marandi is not corrupt and an able administrator. But it would be better if JVM merges with Marandi as CM candidate.
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muraliravi wrote:grapevine on twitter:

Marandi reconsidering joining NDA, he wants alliance in Assembly elections also and wants to be declared as CM candidate. He wants 50:50 seat sharing in assembly and ready to give 9:5 in favor of BJP for lok sabha.
BJP should insist on a full merger.
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pankajs wrote:UPA’s legacy: Honey, I shrunk the jobs market 25%
As the UPA prepares to leave office over the next three-four months, it will be leaving behind not only a decelerating economy with untamed inflation and weak government finances, but one that will be unable to produce jobs in the quantities required over the next five years.

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The 38 million new jobs created over the next five years would be a 25 percent drop from the 52 million created in the seven years between 2004-05 and 2011-12, which, in turn was lower than the 62 million created during the 1999-2004 NDA period.

Clearly, the economy is not creating as many jobs as it did earlier? What has gone wrong?

This clearly means UPA siphoned of a lot more than the 2G scams. It must be in trillions of rupees.
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looks like congi's bought twitter itself
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krishnan wrote:looks like congi's bought twitter itself
Well Raheel Khurshid would now be knowing the IP address of each tweet and over the ISPs, your physical address, and all this info would now be available to Congis and their Jihadi friends.

Welcome to Emergency 2.0!
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RajeshA wrote:
krishnan wrote:looks like congi's bought twitter itself
Well Raheel Khurshid would now be knowing the IP address of each tweet and over the ISPs, your physical address, and all this info would now be available to Congis and their Jihadi friends.

Welcome to Emergency 2.0!
Not just twitter, almost everywhere its the same. Anti-BJP posts but no reply backs. Looks like 100 Crore investment is paying off.
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Sorry who is Raheel Khurshid?
Please don't resort to Argot
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Uhhh.. what's gona happen when Gogol analytics gets actual addresses. Just a bit of future?
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Which newspaper is this from or is there any other source to this. These people are natural fascist thugs.

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It's ironically highly possible we get fascist thuggery from those that back AAP/INC.

Edited: Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/minis ... n/1216283/
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RajeshA wrote:
muraliravi wrote:grapevine on twitter:

Marandi reconsidering joining NDA, he wants alliance in Assembly elections also and wants to be declared as CM candidate. He wants 50:50 seat sharing in assembly and ready to give 9:5 in favor of BJP for lok sabha.
BJP should insist on a full merger.
I guess he is jittery about full merger, because he suspects that after full merger BJP can go back on the CM promise.
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ramana wrote:Sorry who is Raheel Khurshid?
Please don't resort to Argot
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http://about.me/raheelk

His twwee feed would interest you about how business is done.
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Looks more like the committees set-up by mobs in the French Revolution. AAP is color revolution in Gandhi cap.
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harbans wrote:Which newspaper is this from or is there any other source to this. These people are natural fascist thugs.

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It's ironically highly possible we get fascist thuggery from those that back AAP/INC.

Edited: Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/minis ... n/1216283/
Is it only me or does this look more and more like a communist ideal being deployed. Remimdms me of China under Mao and the advent of 'Year Zero'.
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No go back to French Revolution. Its like the committees setup by the mobs to adminster the state.

AAP is color revolution in modern words.
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Niran Sir,

Any update from your sources, what is the prediction for AAP on a nationwide scale?
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Marten, There is a fundamental flaw in Indian governance.

The elements of state power will obey the elected representatives however they form the government.

So the real enablers of AAPification are the Congress who provided support to form the Delhi Government.
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AAP-govt may lack knowledge, but intention is pure: Kejriwal
In the wake of criticism by the Opposition, Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal on day said his government may lack vision and have shortcomings, but its intention is pure.
No Vision? U mean no clue or ideas other than BSing about corruption & Lokpal. Exactly what we all thought and you have the guts to CON millions using PAIDMEDIA and ITALIANMAFIA asssociates?

"We may have shortcomings and lack vision, but I want to assure the House that we have pure intention."
OK guts. He has good intentions. lets hand over India to this Weepy Singh 2.0 and relax. OOPS! We did once and got screwed.

One of the comments:
Even a suicide bomber's intentions are pure from his point of view-that is to sacrifice his life for the "JUST" cause he believes in! :lol:
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Raheel Khursheed is slated to head Twitter India. His reputation is one of strongly anti-BJP and anti-Hindu.

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And how are Twitter board taking this?

Can they be so dumb as to appoint some one to head their India ops who is so anti an Indian political party?
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ramana wrote:And how are Twitter board taking this?

Can they be so dumb as to appoint some one to head their India ops who is so anti an Indian political party?
Ramana-ji,
How about initiating a Quit Twitter movement if this man is made head of Twitter India?
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ramana wrote:Marten, There is a fundamental flaw in Indian governance.

The elements of state power will obey the elected representatives however they form the government.

So the real enablers of AAPification are the Congress who provided support to form the Delhi Government.

That is the whole point ramana ji, Congress is the Jahangir and AAP is the new Kala Angrez. Indics need to get rid of both.

In fact till date most Indians were hitting out at MMS which is in principle flawed, since the real enablers were the mother son duo. Today we have to fight AAP too (besides off course the real enablers) because for last 3-4 years Indians kept hitting out at the dummy.

Would it help if it is all turned into a - Gujarat (BJP shashit pradesh) vs. Congress (B-team) shashit Pradesh.

Wondering aloud.
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RajeshA wrote:Raheel Khursheed is slated to head Twitter India. His reputation is one of strongly anti-BJP and anti-Hindu.
HAF should take note of it and let the Twitter Board know that man is communal and Twitter might find itself defending in court in India.
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nageshks, I suggested to some to start a new Indian twitter 'Thota' with green parrot. It harks back to the parrot in Lord Venkateshwara's mahatyam.
Let see.
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nageshks wrote:
ramana wrote:And how are Twitter board taking this?

Can they be so dumb as to appoint some one to head their India ops who is so anti an Indian political party?
Ramana-ji,
How about initiating a Quit Twitter movement if this man is made head of Twitter India?
That would be a wrong move. BJP has already started taking on this man on the SM itself.

In any case the SM would be left to NRI supporters after next 2 months as all the India based supporters would be moving out to more on ground activities.

We need to understand SM is just 'One Screen Worth of SELF'. It is designed to mobilize by isharebazi. It is not designed to inform and educate. Had education been the intent then SM would have looked like BRF. People on SM presume they don't need resources like BRF - esp. the people who hit SM before they hit some patents/university sites. SM caters to their sense of vanity. The right course would be to do better what BJP already is doing. Plan and execute Rallies / Mobilizations / Booth Management. SM can wait.

Don't worry about SM. Just waste their time till you get your share of 10 convert votes.
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harbans wrote:Which newspaper is this from or is there any other source to this. These people are natural fascist thugs.

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It's ironically highly possible we get fascist thuggery from those that back AAP/INC.

Edited: Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/minis ... n/1216283/
Ironically, I am enjoying this. Delhiites deserve this. If only INC did this back in the 50s india would have been far more developed today!

Here is the link you are after:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/minis ... /1216283/0
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Hope BJP falls on kejriwal like a ton of bricks now. Why the hell did AAP stand for elections if they had no vision or plans? Did they consider the people of Delhi to be expendable laboratory rats for their experiments in "governance"? Obviously the same thing would hold for the country, maybe worse?
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ramana wrote:No go back to French Revolution. Its like the committees setup by the mobs to adminster the state.

AAP is color revolution in modern words.
AAP is like the anarchist, socialist, people's movement depicted in the movie Dark Knight Rises. They are the judge, jury & executioner, as exemplified by this court scene

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The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. We have heard enough of Kejriwal's maudlin nonsense
I am aam aadmi; I've no vision; I've loose motion. BUT my INTENTIONS are pure. In fact, my incompetence makes my intentions shine even brighter
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There is one aspect about AAP forming govt which is not well known. Many AAP tards have countered that AAP were compelled to form govt because BJP refused to. The reason is that these days when the largest party is invited by governor , they are asked to explain how are they going to muster the number. Even before BJP was invited congress already had handed over letter of unconditional support to the governor hence there was no way BJP could have taken floor test.
Some how BJP's approach on entire AAP issue is lackluster, there is no onslaught from their side to hammer how AK was close to NAC (hence congress), how he was never transferred out of Delhi, how his NGO plan was approved by PMO itself, how PMO also got them jhadu brand, how one after another AK has broken promises and has gone super soft on congress now. BJP should ask them to clearly state their national policy regarding uniform civil code, artilce 370, J&K, matters of internal security, etc.
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muraliravi wrote: For Haryana, the grapevine is that Gen VK Singh is going to fight on BJP ticket from Bhiwani.

Overall Modi's game in places where BJP has no org is to get biggies to contest.
Here is where Modi can learn a lesson from AAP on the voter mood. In Delhi, AAP put up many no-name candidates but people voted for a cause, thus propelling these unknown individuals to electoral victory. The evidence is clear: people want change & Delhi is the proof. In fact, BJP should thank Delhi for opening their eyes to what's possible.

BJP should stop thinking like a big party & should instead focus on the messaging. Modi's model of governance & growth IS the message. Nothing else is. Modi is getting people to believe in a cause. The timing is right. If people believe in the message, they will vote for any honest, BJP man-on-the-street candidate. Someone like VKS, with the Modi-wave behind him is a sure-shot winner. Modi just has to back himself.

BJP should spend as much time on putting up honest candidates all across the nation (even in states where it has zero presence) as they do on alliances.

Alliances are not going to help BJP win this year. The Modi wave will. As the Yanks like to say, "Go big or Go home"
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Prem Kumar wrote:
muraliravi wrote: For Haryana, the grapevine is that Gen VK Singh is going to fight on BJP ticket from Bhiwani.

Overall Modi's game in places where BJP has no org is to get biggies to contest.
Here is where Modi can learn a lesson from AAP on the voter mood. In Delhi, AAP put up many no-name candidates but people voted for a cause, thus propelling these unknown individuals to electoral victory. The evidence is clear: people want change & Delhi is the proof. In fact, BJP should thank Delhi for opening their eyes to what's possible.

BJP should stop thinking like a big party & should instead focus on the messaging. Modi's model of governance & growth IS the message. Nothing else is. Modi is getting people to believe in a cause. The timing is right. If people believe in the message, they will vote for any honest, BJP man-on-the-street candidate. Someone like VKS, with the Modi-wave behind him is a sure-shot winner. Modi just has to back himself.

BJP should spend as much time on putting up honest candidates all across the nation (even in states where it has zero presence) as they do on alliances.

Alliances are not going to help BJP win this year. The Modi wave will. As the Yanks like to say, "Go big or Go home"
I disagree. It is true that BJP is thinking like an Empire while AAP is thinking like guerrilla tactics of swift attacks. AAP can opt for this strategy exactly because it has full MSM backing it. After all the Message has to be spread around riding on the shoulders of airwaves and print. AAP can do this easily, even if their message is a whole lot of hot air. BJP if fighting this elections solely on the basis of its foot soldiers, big rallies, word of mouth, social media and some presence in the talk-show circuit. BJP's message does not have wings of its own, but needs to be carried forth using the organization.

So Modi has to cater to the organization. That means he cannot put xyz candidate on a seat. He has to nurture the demands of the organization, which would give some maneuverability to Modi on some seats, and these he would indeed distribute to Kiran Bedi, Nana Patekar, etc, to outsiders.
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nothing wrong with attracting big guys in the initial stages. but only to the point of gaining resources.

at some point, these "big guys" will have to be neutered by central org of the party, because these big guys will have played significant roles in pre-existing INC/regional setups with vacuum ideology.

AP is an example. especially from SA, BJP seems to be trying to attract big names. it's ok for now. but they will have to be neutered sooner or later.
they cannot be allowed to hijack the State unit. this is where Modi's central capabilities will come into play. hopefully he is up to the task.
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RajeshA wrote:Raheel Khursheed is slated to head Twitter India. His reputation is one of strongly anti-BJP and anti-Hindu.

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the biggest hit back we can do is launch a twitter like website, i dont think its that hard
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