India-US Strategic News and Discussion

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 11 Jan 2014 20:38

Well he and his wife can stay and eat their Texan steak permanently. Hope they get kicked to some "better " posting in say a warn torn country since they hated it so much here

Better still they need not have these jobs as they hate their work so much .

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 20:40

Brahma Chellaney ‏@Chellaney 35m

A former Indian foreign secretary says U.S.'s pettiness in the entire diplomatic episode has shown it in poor light: http://goo.gl/wHbG8q

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 20:42

TSJones wrote:Any way, this twitter issue will resonate in the Supreme HQ in Washington.

TSJ what twitter issue? Did I miss something or are you referring to the FB issue?

vina · Post by **vina** » 11 Jan 2014 20:44

Send all the material on the May couple FB posts to ALL news organizations, especially the 2nd tier, vernacular media that don't come under the Dilli babus kow tow routine. Send the link to the CPIM and the CPI and the other assorted commies. If at all there is a time for them to show actual outraged, this is it. This racist rubbish cannot be tolerated any longer. The US diplomutt with this kind of attitude serving here must be fixed proper and publicly. Send these links to all the Indian American orgs and tell them to write to their senators. The State Department MUST answer for the conduct of Alicia and John May.

Question?. Alicia May has self incriminated herself for smuggling pearls and handling contraband. That is a felony and a cognizable offence under any law. Indict her and strip search her before kicking her sorry ass out of the country.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 11 Jan 2014 20:47

Singha: There are some similarities with the this present case, but dsk did not have immunity of any kind as he was with the IMF. The case against dsk was a trumped up charge by a maid claiming that she had been raped in a NY hotel, and fell apart pretty soon after the first hearing. Guess who was the prosecutor? The MO is exactly the same, and it was felt that dsk was stitched up the SD/WH, who did not agree with his foreign policy as he was in the running to for the French presidency

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 11 Jan 2014 20:47

pankajs wrote:
anmol wrote: I have PDF'ed both the profiles.
Nice job saar.

Kati wrote:^^^
Anmol-saab, pranaam.

Arjun wrote:
anmol wrote: I have PDF'ed both the profiles.
Fantastic job, Anmol !

Thank you Ji

Here are PDF'ed profiles :-

Wayne: https://app.box.com/s/e434mn51x60sro7mk4cr

Alicia: https://app.box.com/s/9rz24um6v4tbu877iaxm

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 11 Jan 2014 20:49

pankajs wrote:
TSJones wrote:Any way, this twitter issue will resonate in the Supreme HQ in Washington.
TSJ what twitter issue? Did I miss something or are you referring to the FB issue?

Sorry, I thought those were twitter posts. I guess I had twitter on my mind when it was in the news that a woman had posted racist comments while she flying on vacation. She had lost her job by the time she had landed.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 11 Jan 2014 20:51

i setup and twitter account and tweeted the FB chats to a few people, including News channels. Pretty egregious stuff.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 11 Jan 2014 20:52

Govt cuts subsidy of cooking gas for foreigners and NRIs
One can only hope all NRIs and other embassies are financially independent to not face troubles because of this.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 20:59

Laura Rozen ‏@lrozen 1h

Have wondered abt social networks of ppl advocating richards case. A/S DRL uzra Zeya, Safe Horizons folks, Bharara office.

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 11 Jan 2014 21:05

Who lives(d) on 4 Aurangzeb that the SR family works(ed) for? That needs to come out too...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 21:06

Laura Rozen ‏@lrozen 18m

Elite US officials w/ servants they don't think of as servants, pursue Indian woman diplomat from lower caste as privileged, abusive villain

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Jan 2014 21:10

This lady is the only one from the US side who seems to have kept a sane head on her shoulders.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 21:13

India says more work needed to repair US ties after diplomatic 'mini crisis'

India on Saturday blamed the US for a "mini crisis" over the arrest and strip search of an Indian envoy, and said more work was needed to repair ties a day after the withdrawal of diplomats seemed to draw a line under the row.

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India's foreign minister, Salman Khurshid, said the US should have warned senior officials visiting Washington a day before Khobragade's arrest by State Department security in December.

"It wasn't even mentioned," Khurshid told the CNN-IBN television network. He called the row a "mini crisis" and said India should have been given the chance to withdraw Khobragade before she was arrested.

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"I think we've found that at least the immediate, immediate concerns have been addressed," Khurshid said. "But there's a lot more still to do."

He did not clarify what else must be done to avoid lasting damage to ties between the countries, who share some $100bn in annual trade.

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Khurshid said Washington should have asked India to withdraw Khobragade rather than arrest her.

"When you have two friendly countries when something is becoming untenable, then you cooperate with each other," he said. "If you have inkling or a sense that something like this will unfold, you should take the quickest steps that you can to ensure that it doesn't happen."

India sharply curbed privileges offered to US diplomats in retaliation for the treatment of Khobragade. Khurshid gave no sign these measures would be reversed.

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The continued presence in the US of the housekeeper could pose a challenge to Washington as it seeks to repair its relationship with New Delhi. India has asked US authorities to arrest Richard over the Indian government's allegations that she stole cash, a mobile phone and documents from Khobragade. Richard has denied the charges.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 11 Jan 2014 21:17

What end? This ain't ending anytime soon. With the abominable and egregious stuff that got posted here in the past few hours you think this is gonna end soon???

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 21:18

Tarek Fatah ‏@TarekFatah 1m

Pretender Singh Bharara, the US Attorney who ordered the arrest of an Indian diplomat plans to sue the skin-whitening cream 'Fair & Lovely'.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Jan 2014 21:20

ShankarCag wrote:What end? This ain't ending anytime soon. With the abominable and egregious stuff that got posted here in the past few hours you think this is gonna end soon???

Has the outrage moved beyond our board? Till someone does not light the fire below the mush of the cursed or munna they will call if business as usual.

The whitewash has started with the PTI report that I has posted before being taken at face value and being quoted liberally on twitter. Surely this particular report must have the blessing of GOI.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Jan 2014 21:25

Clause 66A of IT Act can be applied to such posts. Ofence under that act covers wide spectrum of postings and these are certainly one of them. offense is non bailable and SOP could be applied. VCDR or VCCR would not apply as these are not related to Consular Functions or diplomatic functions. In any case these are incompatible with their functions.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Jan 2014 21:30

And if Anmol ( Excellent work and congrates) can dig up these gems from Diplomutts of USof A then just think what NSA ould be doing in America having dirt on everybody. Their snooping has serious challenges to all other nations. All US companies collaborate with them including Gchacha an Fbook and Teetar. GOI should think about it seriously and like Brazil insist on having datacenters in India and not to move traffic of India outside except through Servers under Indian control just like Chinese do.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Jan 2014 21:34

prasannasimha wrote:As they say never post something on the net that you dont want your enemy or someone else ever to see. Frankly was she so dumb to post these on FB being in such a sensitive post ? All it needs is to now post these on NDTV and other websites. By the way is she also leaving with her hubby ? Could send reporters to interview her.

Dumb yes. Definitely!

Unfortunately you can't do a cavity search on her. The cavity is between her ears.

There is an old saying; "you are known by the company you keep." They keep company with al-Bakistan. They are slowly down hill skiing to that level.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 11 Jan 2014 21:36

Prasant wrote:Well, as per on of the facebook posts http://racistdiplomatsusa.tumblr.com/image/72975652589 the guy is a CIA agent. That should have some repercussions with regards to his career, but then again, he looks like he's well past retirement age.

This guy is not a simple agent. He is Deputy Station Chief SeeEyeA heading 400 stron contingent. Don't take him lightly. .They operate under diplomatic immunity

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Jan 2014 21:39

vina wrote:Send all the material on the May couple FB posts to ALL news organizations, especially the 2nd tier, vernacular media that don't come under the Dilli babus kow tow routine. Send the link to the CPIM and the CPI and the other assorted commies. If at all there is a time for them to show actual outraged, this is it. This racist rubbish cannot be tolerated any longer. The US diplomutt with this kind of attitude serving here must be fixed proper and publicly. Send these links to all the Indian American orgs and tell them to write to their senators. The State Department MUST answer for the conduct of Alicia and John May.

Question?. Alicia May has self incriminated herself for smuggling pearls and handling contraband. That is a felony and a cognizable offence under any law. Indict her and strip search her before kicking her sorry ass out of the country.

Like a good third world Injun I have posted the fb pages back on fb!

Blood boils.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 11 Jan 2014 21:40

okie posted a series of tweets based on anmol ji's digging.

http://mobile.twitter.com/sarpamedha/tweets

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 11 Jan 2014 21:41

chaanakya wrote:And if Anmol ( Excellent work and congrates) can dig up these gems from Diplomutts of USof A then just think what NSA ould be doing in America having dirt on everybody. Their snooping has serious challenges to all other nations. All US companies collaborate with them including Gchacha an Fbook and Teetar. GOI should think about it seriously and like Brazil insist on having datacenters in India and not to move traffic of India outside except through Servers under Indian control just like Chinese do.

+10000000, NSA is not only threat to us.. but it is also a HUGE threat to America itself. Because:-

NSA won't say whether it spies on Congress

^ That means NSA can basically decide who becomes people's representative and they can blackmail them once they are in office.

NSA is Skynet.

We should Ctrl C + Ctrl V what China is doing.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Jan 2014 21:42

pankajs wrote:Brahma Chellaney ‏@Chellaney 35m

A former Indian foreign secretary says U.S.'s pettiness in the entire diplomatic episode has shown it in poor light: http://goo.gl/wHbG8q

Thx to MurthyJi also for posting this earlier. Its a very balanced nuanced look. As we do in science and mathematics, one needs to look at US India relations realistically, truthfully, and dispassionately. Is there much give & take possible between India & US given the huge disparity in power in all spheres between the countries? And lets leave aside the racist tripe from the diplomat which I am sure many Americans can related with, and likewise lets leave aside Indian wet dreams and hype of past several years about being "natural allies" with US. I am sure everybody would agree that India's furious reaction stemmed from the humiliation of having her diplomat raped in custody, and this is not how strategic allies treat one another. Thats the rub. There is definitely a lot India could gain from US. But what is it does US gain from India? We are talking raw interests of both sides. And how can India codify whatever interests US has in India into potential leverage and then deal with US at a commensurate level, no more no less.

This issue will have deep repercussions, not just in India's relationship with US, but with China and TSP. The latter two are for sure having a ball. So my revised score card:

USA: A+ (it has shown that it is indeed a supreme arrogant racist superpower with no qualms of doing what it needs to, to protect its interests and uphold its superiority in front of its people and the world)

India: E (on a scale of A through F. It just barely passes, only saving grace is it did not get an F)

China: B (they are laughing their asses off, and know how to treat India)

TSP: B+ (Ditto China, they are also laughing their asses off, and also relieved that US India strategic relations are hyped up hot air, and many in US govt and think tanks will surely advocate not just India TSP equal equal, but in fact TSP >= India after this DK brouhaha).

Question to gurus: Assuming for a second that US businesses operate independently of US govt (which is true up to a certain point), will US govt and US think tanks advocate and advise US businesses to go slow, as investing too much in India and helping India grow in the process, is not in overall US national interests?

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 11 Jan 2014 21:47

Its always follow the money! (Sarvey Gunaha Kanchanam Ashrayanthi)

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 11 Jan 2014 21:55

chaanakya wrote:
Prasant wrote:Well, as per on of the facebook posts http://racistdiplomatsusa.tumblr.com/image/72975652589 the guy is a CIA agent. That should have some repercussions with regards to his career, but then again, he looks like he's well past retirement age.
This guy is not a simple agent. He is Deputy Station Chief SeeEyeA heading 400 stron contingent. Don't take him lightly. .They operate under diplomatic immunity

Not necessarily. He is a sworn federal peace officer which means he can arrest any US citizen and have them detained. At the federal level, they call themselves agents, Same for FBI, IRS, Secret Service, etc. Now he may very well work closely with the CIA, but he carries a badge and can arrest US citizens. CIA agents cannot.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jan 2014 21:57

What a bunch of dumba$$ american diplomats. The stupidity to put it on FB and think no one will notice. The entire bunch deserve to be canned if you ask me.

But this sort of stuff is very very common in midwest/south USA regions. Other places at least most folks make a pretense of not being judgmental. Like I said SDRE will always labor under this weight. Don't matter how clean the streets are our skin is dark/different looking. chinese put up with a lot of this nonsense too. If you notice there has been very little schadenfreude from the chinese folks. Despite their $2 Trillion exports this sort of nonsense constantly goes on with them too. Remember that blind rights guy who was paraded all around the west and given a nobel prize etc.

The thing to do is not to cry racism. The moment you do that eyes glaze over and the entire white group will back away from you. Bring it to peoples attention, chuckle about it, not so shrill, crack a joke or two about slavery and folks get the hint. Slavery is the american original sin, not racism. Link it to slavery and they can not look away.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Jan 2014 22:01

And here comes the defence attorney, right on cue.. it is racism and deserves to be called out. That vegeterian post for instance.. what the heck...only "Indian vegeterians" for instance.. what the heck.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 11 Jan 2014 22:05

chaanakya: If WM is dep-station chief, then to have such an asset removed from India over a wage dispute is pretty staggering. It seems that his wife is the one who was involved in the ticket purchase and extraction with safe-horizons, but maybe the GOI wanted to send a message, hence WM had to leave., though of course SR may have been an asset.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 11 Jan 2014 22:06

If it doesn't sound too civilized for south/Midwest of USA then its up to USA society to aspire for the highest morals. No amount of backing off by SDRE Indians is going to improve any such widespread behavior within USA society. It is not like we are interfering.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 11 Jan 2014 22:07

TSJones wrote:Well, as per on of the facebook posts http://racistdiplomatsusa.tumblr.com/image/72975652589 the guy is a CIA agent. That should have some repercussions with regards to his career, but then again, he looks like he's well past retirement.
This guy is not a simple agent. He is Deputy Station Chief SeeEyeA heading 400 stron contingent. Don't take him lightly. .They operate under diplomatic immunity

So, does this give credence to the theory that Richards may have been involved with the CIA?

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 11 Jan 2014 22:11

Just came across these:

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 11 Jan 2014 22:15

Anmol, - some newspaper guys and TV guys should receive these.They need to get a real and "memorable" taste from the media.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 11 Jan 2014 22:16

rajanb wrote:
TSJones wrote:Well, as per on of the facebook posts http://racistdiplomatsusa.tumblr.com/image/72975652589 the guy is a CIA agent. That should have some repercussions with regards to his career, but then again, he looks like he's well past retirement.
This guy is not a simple agent. He is Deputy Station Chief SeeEyeA heading 400 stron contingent. Don't take him lightly. .They operate under diplomatic immunity
So, does this give credence to the theory that Richards may have been involved with the CIA?

No, it goes deeper than that. He is sworn to uphold the law. That means no US citizen can threaten his person, or any US property, disturb the peace in any way, and dig this, no US citizen can *lie* to him. Refer to the Martha Stewart case where she got a year in the federal pen. Altough, the US Supreme Court has ruled he can lie to US citizens in a prosecuting a case.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 11 Jan 2014 22:20

Singha wrote:that facebook exchange on veg makes it very clear their sneering and disrespectful attitude toward the host country and its people.
these people have no contact with the real india barring their own scared security guards, mali, driver ever terrified of when memsahib will throw a tantrum and get them blacklisted in the consulate employment circuit. a tall cold one by the ACSA swimming pool , a crate of drinks duty free , that they can do. but thats it.

these people are utterly useless even from US pov of building any relationships here if that is part of the intent of embassy staff. maybe the bright ones get posted in other places and the Raj type dregs fight to get a indian posting and enjoy the indolent lifestyle and perks. I find it hard to believe avg level of consulate staff is this bad. I mean Khan sahib is a superpawa on the backs of these people

Not only that, but these people are doing a big disservice to the American taxpayer. If they don't like India - fine, but no they don't ask for another posting or ask for a demotion and go back home. The reason is they're getting a fat per-Diem or stipend and extra "hazardous duty" pay. This matter should be brought up to congress and question why is this so. What is really bad here is that these so called "diplomats" are engaging in religious slurs. I am sure they are not only violating DoS policy, but US laws as well.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 11 Jan 2014 22:20

^^^ Why are we splitting hairs over a US pandu can do within the four walls of his embassy and how is it even relevant? Unless I'm missing something chunkian this is the diplomutt that gave the visas to SR's family and is therefore in direct violation of Indian law.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 11 Jan 2014 22:22

ShankarCag wrote:^^^ Why are we splitting hairs over a US pandu can do within the four walls of his embassy and how is it even relevant? Unless I'm missing something chunkian this is the mutt that gave the visas to SR's family and is therefore in direct violation of Indian law.

Because he is really not a CIA agent. The CIA has to be careful around him.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jan 2014 22:23

How in heavens name was India giving 'special' treatment to these dumba$$ fools. Indefensible!!
Shows what influence gubo had. Bleaah!
Don't do it, and don't be awed by white skin....

Sanjay · Post by **Sanjay** » 11 Jan 2014 22:25

The real revelation is that most US diplomatic staff are even worse than India's.

I have never read such pathetic whining and bigotry from supposed diplomats.

Forget our own bias in this - these creatures are a disgrace to the United States.

No wonder the world over the US is despised. A good Ambassador is undermined by sniveling weasels of underlings.

Actually, this little facebook fest should be prepared into a letter and sent from an Indo-American friendship society asking that people like this be removed to another country where their whining would be appreciated.