The Red Menace

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 04 Nov 2009 02:05

rajsunder wrote: u forgot the movie drohi stg: kamal hasan and arjun. Now the latest super hit from the south(three languages) of the original telugu movie Gamyam also showed these maoists what they truly are.

I think, telugu movie ‘Sindhuram’ is the best unbiased movie I have seen on the naxals subject. It was somewhat better researched than the other movies, which are more on rhetoric and emotion.

KarthikSan · Post by **KarthikSan** » 04 Nov 2009 03:07

Rahul M wrote:what people like A Roy won't acknowledge is no one (but no one) in India does not admit that our tribal population hasn't been taken care of as well as they should have been.
The "cause" is well known and acknowledged by ALL sections of Indian society, it is not something new that A Roy is peddling.

The bald faced lie is the claim that maoism is the solution to the problem when it is the maoists themselves that are now the oppressors of the tribal people and it is them that obstructs every little development effort aimed at these populations.

people like khobad ghandy do not represent the victims, they are the kingpins of the oppressors.

Agree 400% onlee. Irrespective of all the bullcrap peddled by the likes of A.Roy and others we (as in Indian govt. and us the citizens who voted them to power) have done close to nothing to improve the lots of tribals and adivasis. The loot of our national resources continues in collusion with the political thugs and criminals. These people do it with such impunity that they don't even care to conceal their corruption ( Reddy brothers of Karnataka and YSR are prime examples). Consider this for a moment, most of the ore mined in these areas is exported to China at throw away prices and they stand to lose if Indian companies start processing the ore. China stands to win as long as there is a law and order situation not conducive for economical growth. Unless we do something now to stop this looting we have to face the Maoist problem long into the future. That being said the exploitation of land by our corporate-political nexus in the name of SEZ's and the likes should also be checked and regulated. If this continues we are facing an environmental and economical disaster with implications for our nation's security.

P.S. Rahul Mehta has a point when he says that money made out of mining should be shared among Indian citizens. Although I disagree with his idea, it is not impossible to evolve the idea into a more practical solution where money is spent in improving living standards of the affected populace.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 04 Nov 2009 03:37

Rahul M wrote: The bald faced lie is the claim that maoism is the solution to the problem when it is the maoists themselves that are now the oppressors of the tribal people and it is them that obstructs every little development effort aimed at these populations.

Actually the Maoists are smarter than that - rather than blocking development they parasitically feed off of it. So the more the state pours in to these areas, the more it benefits the Maoists.

I've been told they don't bother govt and NGO development projects, and that they 'tax' businesses involved in resource extraction/transportation/light manufacturing in their areas.

So they benefit from being part of the Indian republic, while simultaneously attacking all those who exercise political power on its behalf - the police, the forestry department, civil service and elected politicians.

That's how they project themselves as 'anti-state' but not 'anti-people', and in fact defenders of the people's interests! Its classic communist insurgency methodology.

I think where the lie of being 'pro-people' or for the tribals is really exposed is in the way they press-gang tribals in the villages under their control in to the Maoist army.

The most outrageous double standards in terms of human rights activism come from those who loudly protest Salwa Judum as forcible militarisation of tribal society, but cant find the time or energy to document and protest Naxalite forcible conscription.

In their leftist ideology, the state must be held at fault as the instigator of all things, while the non-state actor is a minor problem that will go away once the state is held accountable. These idiots would be the first up against the wall if they interfered with a Maoist state.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Nov 2009 03:45

Johann, I'm aware of what you are talking about. In fact I've written on it within the past few pages of this thread.

actually they employ both tactics, they squeeze every paise they can from the contractors and then destroy every little bit of infrastructure (roads, electricity nodes, cellphone towers, factories) that promise a better life for these people. in effect starting the process all over again.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Nov 2009 12:41

rajsunder wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:This is not something new. In Telugu for a long time Naxals are shown as heros. Not even a single movie has come showing naxals in a bad light till date. This when large areas in Andra are living under naxal terror for decades
u forgot the movie drohi stg: kamal hasan and arjun. Now the latest super hit from the south(three languages) of the original telugu movie Gamyam also showed these maoists what they truly are.

Here I have to disagree. Drohi does not mention naxals. It is a remade of Drohkaal in HIndi. gayam I have not seen so I can not comment. But nexals were never shown in bad lights in telugu movies as a matter or rule. In fact many movies are made to glorify them time and and again.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Nov 2009 12:45

These jholawalas have ready suggesssions for every thing so what they do not have any suggessions for upliftment of the tribals. Instead of shouting for the naxals they can tall the nation what we have to do for the tribals and poor people. No one will object to that. But doing something or suggesting something constructive is allways a difficult thing. For aggitating even empty headed people can do it. (all they need is a jhola

)

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 05 Nov 2009 15:01

Ready for conditional talks

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 05 Nov 2009 17:52

'LTTE trained Maoists to fight govt'
5 Nov 2009, 1729 hrs IST
In an exclusive interview to TIMES NOW , Sri Lankan government authorities have said that the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) did train Maoists in India to fight the government and that India was alerted about the same. The confirmation comes a week after Indian intelligence reports warned of a possible LTTE intrusion into India. Reports had suggested that a well-trained 12-member group of the LTTE had sneaked into India through Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Chhattisgarh and Orissa.

“The LTTE had turned into an immensely powerful international movement, seen as a Guru for many other political movements, not just the Maoists. We are also aware of Velupillai Prabhakaran’s visceral hatred towards the Indian government and his goal of achieving India by destabilising itself. The links could have been through training. It’s in Sri Lanka interests to tackle Maoist terror,” said Prof Rajiva Wijesinha, Secretary, Ministry of Disaster Management and Human Rights.

http://www.timesnow.tv/LTTE-trained-Mao ... 331435.cms

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 05 Nov 2009 19:43

http://news.oneindia.in/2009/11/05/delh ... -test.html

Delhi HC stays Ghandy's narco test
Thursday, November 5, 2009,13:42 [IST]

New Delhi, Nov 5: Delhi High Court has stayed the trial court order allowing narco-analysis of the Maoist leader, Kobad Ghandy and asked the Delhi Police to file a status report by Dec 14.

The high court on Thursday, Nov 5 passed the order restraining the police from conducting the narco test on Kobad Ghandy, in response to the appeal filed by Ghandy on Wednesday, Nov 4 challenging the trial court's order.

Ghandy's counsel Rebecca M John argued that until and unless Constitutional validity of narco test is decided by the Supreme Court, an accused cannot be forced to undergo such a test.

On Oct 31, the trial court allowed the Delhi police to conduct the test on the 63-year-old Maoist leader after the investigators contended that they were unable to extract any information from Ghandy despite using the all scientific methods.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 05 Nov 2009 20:00

Such Defence is there for Maoists but not for the Purohit's and Pragya's?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Nov 2009 20:21

Delhi HC stays Ghandy's narco test
Thursday, November 5, 2009,13:42 [IST]
Ghandy's counsel Rebecca M John argued that until and unless Constitutional validity of narco test is decided by the Supreme Court, an accused cannot be forced to undergo such a test.

Another judgement that failed to take into consideration the serious threat this chief of terror group poses to indian lives. I hope govt counsel challenges this in higher courts and get permission to resume the interrogation, and shame on the person who is defending this mass murderer. Hope her children dont get eaten by this cannibal kobad ghandy.

archan · Post by **archan** » 05 Nov 2009 20:24

Aditya_V wrote:Such Defence is there for Maoists but not for the Purohit's and Pragya's?

yup. because the so called proponents of Hindutva would rather harass couples, burn Valentine day cards and vandalize stores, or drag women from pubs... in a gallant display of Hindu culture. Becoming scholars and lawyers takes way too much brain cells.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 05 Nov 2009 20:57

yup. because the so called proponents of Hindutva would rather harass couples, burn Valentine day cards and vandalize stores, or drag women from pubs... in a gallant display of Hindu culture. Becoming scholars and lawyers takes way too much brain cells.

Err, not quite. I quite understand the benefits of triangulation and sistah-souljah moments and they well seem to apply to this delicious case.

At the risk of coming under predator drone gunsights, lemme dispute the generale nature of the blanket characterization. Were pragya and Col. Purohit involved in valentinian vandalism and pubb-ish pugilism? Then how can thy holy heart claim gyan about what they, as people, feel about these opinions? After all, it wasn't the eevil yindutwa movement that was narco-analyzed, was it? TIA wonlee.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 05 Nov 2009 22:10

archan wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Such Defence is there for Maoists but not for the Purohit's and Pragya's?
yup. because the so called proponents of Hindutva would rather harass couples, burn Valentine day cards and vandalize stores, or drag women from pubs... in a gallant display of Hindu culture. Becoming scholars and lawyers takes way too much brain cells.

What did Kanchi Shankracharya do? The Kanchi mutt runs some of the biggest charities for the downtrodden. His people were tortured by the Andhra police.
The list is long

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 06 Nov 2009 08:46

archan wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Such Defence is there for Maoists but not for the Purohit's and Pragya's?
yup. because the so called proponents of Hindutva would rather harass couples, burn Valentine day cards and vandalize stores, or drag women from pubs... in a gallant display of Hindu culture. Becoming scholars and lawyers takes way too much brain cells.

Archanullah,

I don't think this is quite an accurate parallel you are drawing here.

The Valentine's Day/Mangalore Pub fellows find their counterparts on the left in SFI "student union" goondas; small-time, lower-middle-class hooligans who are essentially piggybacking on their version of an ideology as an excuse to throw their weight around. They are young, underemployed men frustrated with the dearth of opportunities available to them, and with the desperate, hopeless competition they face every day as vast numbers of their equals jostle to advance themselves in a poor country. Ultimately they are not for any sort of revolution; they aim, at the most, to be kings of their particular hill. People like Raj Thackeray represent the ultimate stage in the evolution of this niche; at the most they can aspire to thrive by goondagiri over an extremely localized area of influence.

The leftist intelligensia who rally in well-organized, well-funded campaigns to defend the anti-national activities of the Maoists are something quite different. They do not have to compete with anybody for anything; their privileged positions in society have already yielded the best opportunities that the present system has to offer. They have milked the system for every drop and are now milking the resources of those who seek to undermine it, by providing yeoman service in the fifth column.

There is really no counterpart to these people on the "right" (for lack of a better word). I was in India when the Malegaon slander had reached its very peak, and Col. Purohit was being smeared with everything the Congress government could throw at him, including the Samjhauta blasts. At that time, I spoke to many people of the intelligensia class who were sympathetic to Hindutva.

Far from being willing to organize in civil resistance against the state powers involved in persecuting Pragya and Col. Purohit at the time, what I heard from most of these folks was "well, let the law take its course. Let the investigation unfold. If they have committed a crime, they should pay for it."

And that is the difference. The "Hindutva-vadi" intelligensia is, at its heart, a status-quoist constituency. Their worldview is centered around faith in the system... a conviction that the state, ultimately, works for the common good, and that its institutions, whether legislative, law enforcement or judiciary can ultimately be trusted to do the right thing. They invest, emotionally and intellectually, in the way things are and in the system that promises to keep things that way. The nationalist intelligensia are "conservative" in the purest sense of the term, and view radicals (such as Pragya and Col. Purohit allegedly were) with suspicion... even if those radicals act in a cause which the nationalist intelligensia might sympathize with in principle.

This could not be more different from the leftist intelligensia, whose entire worldview is predicated on the idea that the state is the villain... that the nation of India is an agent of class/caste/religious-minority oppression, and that every systemic apparatus it employs... police, judges, mantris, babus, MPs... are fundamentally instruments of that oppression. The leftist intelligensia do not eschew radicalism... rather, they make common cause with radicals and militants, such as the maoists, in undermining the state. That is why they are a more powerful force than the "Hindutva-vadi" intelligensia who take great pains to separate themselves from radicals professing a more extreme, less status-quoist version of the same cause.

Just as an example, even we on Bharat-Rakshak will proscribe any discussion that seeks to ideate a nationalistic construct that may be at odds with the secular Indian state defined by the 1950 constitution. Anybody on BR who calls for a "Hindu Revolution", for instance, will be almost immediately banned. Ultimately, even the most nationalist among us believes that building on the nation as it exists today is always, without exception, preferable to tearing it down to make way for something else.

On the other side, leftist blogs and discussion forums begin with the premise that overthrow of the state (i.e. "revolution") is a desirable outcome, and that any who seek to undermine the state are undoubtedly justified in their grievances, hence to be defended at all costs. The fact that those costs are paid handsomely by outside agencies whose interest is served by undermining the Indian state, fuels and perpetuates the activism of the leftist intelligensia and will continue to do so indefinitely.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 06 Nov 2009 11:44

Well put Rudradev, summed up very well. The Hindu intelligentsia (and may be folks in general) still trust the state machinery to do an honest job.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Nov 2009 12:02

So basically Indians should not be described as Right wing or left wing But patriotic and nationalistic or unpatriotic and antinational irrespective of what thier religion was.

The media and certain parties in the second class have defined the antinational component as secular and nationalistic component as jingoistic or fundamentalist, and yet millions of Indians continue to use the terms coined by so called leftists and media.

Why can't we use the true terms of patriots and anti-nationals.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 06 Nov 2009 15:24

KarthikSan: PS :

1. Rahul Mehta has a point when he says that money made out of mining should be shared among Indian citizens.

2. Although I disagree with his idea, it is not impossible to evolve the idea into a more practical solution where money is spent in improving living standards of the affected populace.

1. AWMTA

2. Dispensing Mineral Royalties to citizens is 100% practical and is TRIVIAL, and needs only 150,000 clerks. We can discuss details in neta-babu threads. There pls post plan which you think will be more efficient that delivering mineral royalties to citizens.

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Delhi HC stays Ghandy's narco test
Thursday, November 5, 2009,13:42 [IST]
Ghandy's counsel Rebecca M John argued that until and unless Constitutional validity of narco test is decided by the Supreme Court, an accused cannot be forced to undergo such a test.

Defunct judgment. And such defunct judgment is because we can expel such corrupt/defunct judges. Kopad is deep in to Naxal movement, and knows many secrets. And so Gandhi Pariksha (Truth Serum Test) can very valuable in getting critical information. And judge opposes Gandhi Pariksha !! Why? The deep pockets that fund Naxals are also probably funding this judge. In any case, as long as we have judges like these, we cannot defeat Naxals.

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Nov 2009 20:59

reuters - meantime the urbane and rich dilli maoist supporters sip wine and nibble on galouti kababs
in their drawing rooms, while servants pack suitace for madam's next trip to NYC or zurich for NGO
work.

Villagers flee war zone as India battles Maoists
Fri Nov 6, 2009 2:38pm IST

By Bappa Majumdar

LALGARH, India (Reuters) - Babulal Mahato hides in paddy fields each night in an eastern Indian village as security forces carry out search operations for Maoist supporters.

Along with dozens of villagers in West Bengal state, 85-year-old Mahato does the same when the Maoists come to the village.

"I am too old, so I hide," said Mahato, his eyes weary after spending many sleepless nights outside.

"Many villagers have already left their homes and fled, fearing getting caught between the Maoists and police."

In Lalgarh, a cluster of 150 villages, daily rebel ambushes, police raids and civilians caught in the middle may be a sign of things to come as the government prepares an offensive against Maoist insurgents.

Federal and state police in armoured vehicles scour nearby jungles, a signal of the start of India's bid to stem a growing decades-long insurgency.

After a resounding general election win in May, the Congress party-led government, no longer dependent on communist parties in its coalition, has decided to take on an estimated 22,000 Maoist rebels who hold sway over swathes of countryside.

Operation "Green Hunt" reflects growing concerns in India that Maoists were becoming too strong after a decades-long insurgency. India's strong economic growth of the last few years did little to bring millions of poor villagers and tribals out of the poverty that helps act as the backbone of Maoist support.

In recent months, brazen attacks on passenger trains, attacks on mining companies and the beheading of a policeman have sparked national soul searching.

Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has warned Maoist violence was a drain on resources.

India's politicians and rights activists now debate the planned offensive. Will it stem Maoist influence, or will it just inflame tensions as villagers get caught in the crossfire?

"Local people are at risk of being caught in the middle of the fighting, killed, wounded, abducted, forced to take sides, and then risk retribution," said Meenakshi Ganguly, senior South Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch.

Six months ago, Maoists, who say they fight for poor farmers, took control of Lalgarh, a four-hour drive from east India's biggest city of Kolkata. They drove away government staff, destroyed buildings and forced police to retreat.

It was a takeover seen across hundreds of rural districts across a "red corridor" in central and eastern India.

"It is not a question of patrolling anymore. It is a question of engaging them, arresting them and killing them if fired upon," Kuldiep Singh, a senior police official in West Bengal, said.

It will be a risky task. In Lalgarh, rebels are playing cat and mouse, firing at police camps in surprise attacks.

"The people are with us, we are not backing out and the government of India will learn a huge lesson if they continue their offensive," Koteshwar Rao, Maoist military commander, said in a rare telephone interview from an undisclosed location

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 06 Nov 2009 21:12

Maoist Koteshwar Rao wrote:"The people are with us, we are not backing out and the government of India will learn a huge lesson if they continue their offensive," Koteshwar Rao, Maoist military commander, said in a rare telephone interview from an undisclosed location

The people are NOT with you, only your maoist chums are with you, reading commie p0rn and dreaming of lording over others in a communist dictatorship. And next time before opening your mouth and spouting rubbish against India remember it's indian laws that prevent civilians from catching hold of scums like you and thrashing them in public. If these laws are relaxed you will soon find your over-ground maoist brothers taught unforgettable lessons.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 Nov 2009 22:35

Rudradev wrote:
Archanullah,

I don't think this is quite an accurate parallel you are drawing here.

The Valentine's Day/Mangalore Pub fellows find their counterparts on the left in SFI "student union" goondas; small-time, lower-middle-class hooligans who are essentially piggybacking on their version of an ideology as an excuse to throw their weight around. They are young, underemployed men frustrated with the dearth of opportunities available to them, and with the desperate, hopeless competition they face every day as vast numbers of their equals jostle to advance themselves in a poor country. Ultimately they are not for any sort of revolution; they aim, at the most, to be kings of their particular hill. People like Raj Thackeray represent the ultimate stage in the evolution of this niche; at the most they can aspire to thrive by goondagiri over an extremely localized area of influence.

The leftist intelligensia who rally in well-organized, well-funded campaigns to defend the anti-national activities of the Maoists are something quite different. They do not have to compete with anybody for anything; their privileged positions in society have already yielded the best opportunities that the present system has to offer. They have milked the system for every drop and are now milking the resources of those who seek to undermine it, by providing yeoman service in the fifth column.

There is really no counterpart to these people on the "right" (for lack of a better word). I was in India when the Malegaon slander had reached its very peak, and Col. Purohit was being smeared with everything the Congress government could throw at him, including the Samjhauta blasts. At that time, I spoke to many people of the intelligensia class who were sympathetic to Hindutva.

Far from being willing to organize in civil resistance against the state powers involved in persecuting Pragya and Col. Purohit at the time, what I heard from most of these folks was "well, let the law take its course. Let the investigation unfold. If they have committed a crime, they should pay for it."

And that is the difference. The "Hindutva-vadi" intelligensia is, at its heart, a status-quoist constituency. Their worldview is centered around faith in the system... a conviction that the state, ultimately, works for the common good, and that its institutions, whether legislative, law enforcement or judiciary can ultimately be trusted to do the right thing. They invest, emotionally and intellectually, in the way things are and in the system that promises to keep things that way. The nationalist intelligensia are "conservative" in the purest sense of the term, and view radicals (such as Pragya and Col. Purohit allegedly were) with suspicion... even if those radicals act in a cause which the nationalist intelligensia might sympathize with in principle.

This could not be more different from the leftist intelligensia, whose entire worldview is predicated on the idea that the state is the villain... that the nation of India is an agent of class/caste/religious-minority oppression, and that every systemic apparatus it employs... police, judges, mantris, babus, MPs... are fundamentally instruments of that oppression. The leftist intelligensia do not eschew radicalism... rather, they make common cause with radicals and militants, such as the maoists, in undermining the state. That is why they are a more powerful force than the "Hindutva-vadi" intelligensia who take great pains to separate themselves from radicals professing a more extreme, less status-quoist version of the same cause.

Just as an example, even we on Bharat-Rakshak will proscribe any discussion that seeks to ideate a nationalistic construct that may be at odds with the secular Indian state defined by the 1950 constitution. Anybody on BR who calls for a "Hindu Revolution", for instance, will be almost immediately banned. Ultimately, even the most nationalist among us believes that building on the nation as it exists today is always, without exception, preferable to tearing it down to make way for something else.

On the other side, leftist blogs and discussion forums begin with the premise that overthrow of the state (i.e. "revolution") is a desirable outcome, and that any who seek to undermine the state are undoubtedly justified in their grievances, hence to be defended at all costs. The fact that those costs are paid handsomely by outside agencies whose interest is served by undermining the Indian state, fuels and perpetuates the activism of the leftist intelligensia and will continue to do so indefinitely.

Outstanding and succinct analysis Rudradev. I would add that, if we strip off the ideological blatherings of the Left (which can never explain what really stood in the way of their succeeding, in, say achieving mass literacy, in the past 60 years), the song and dance boils down to a defensive campaign by left-intellectuals against the thrust of the aspirational energies of the mofussil-level middle classes. For the latter, the Indian state is the actual revolutionary vehicle that gives them, for the first time, an opportunity to raise their own condition, and, importantly, status. The left intellectuals already have the status, as you noted, so they have to fight the state and the constitution to pre-empt competition.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 06 Nov 2009 23:05

'Operation Green Hunt' invention of media, claims Chidamabaram
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 203770.cms

That's some serious downhill ski'ing. This, alongwith the HC stay order to narco-analyze Ghandy dont portend well for our fight against the Maoists. There was also a recent article that I read about the Cobras not being utilized in many ops & being confined to the barracks.

All these data points add up to a pretty dismal picture. Much noise and no tangible action. My respect for Chidu has climbed down a couple of notches.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Nov 2009 23:18

the relentless live TV coverage about a "imminent assault" or "final assault is just hrs away" from
fast talking reporters camped on roadsides is all fiction. they are not attempting to recover a hill here, but an area the size of orissa. takes meticulous planning and co-ordination to prepare effective
plans and gather information.

the villains will avoid the herd of elephants if we trample in blindly.

information...we need to build up both humint and comint in the region and strike selectively from
all directions.

the plans to establish training schools for state police under army patronage will also take time to
turn out graduates.

its a decade long effort to marginalize these villains...I wouldnt expect specutacular battles just
a quiet chipping away from all sides, incl tracking their money and arms flows and shutting that
down.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 06 Nov 2009 23:36

Prem Kumar wrote:'Operation Green Hunt' invention of media, claims Chidamabaram
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 203770.cms

That's some serious downhill ski'ing. This, alongwith the HC stay order to narco-analyze Ghandy dont portend well for our fight against the Maoists. There was also a recent article that I read about the Cobras not being utilized in many ops & being confined to the barracks.

All these data points add up to a pretty dismal picture. Much noise and no tangible action. My respect for Chidu has climbed down a couple of notches.

Measured & deliberate steps are best in a case like this. Maoists won't go anywhere, provided GOI is vigilant in tracking them. I would do a pilot of the national ID card system in this region, by starting to register and track all locals.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 07 Nov 2009 00:31

Prem Kumar wrote:'Operation Green Hunt' invention of media, claims Chidamabaram
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 203770.cms

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After a long time we seem to have a sensible HM who knows how to balance rhetoric and action. Toeing the media line will just bring the Operation into greater focus , allow the Maoists to prepare and their supportive NGO's to launch a counter productive anti-state propoganda.

They're probably looking at a meticulously planned path for action , whereby they may take one small area at a time while mantaining vigil in other parts to avoid a spill over. Targeted taking out of top leaders and systematic but swift removal carders , forcing them into unconditional surrender and talks.

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 07 Nov 2009 00:45

Singha wrote:the relentless live TV coverage about a "imminent assault" or "final assault is just hrs away" from
fast talking reporters camped on roadsides is all fiction. they are not attempting to recover a hill here, but an area the size of orissa. takes meticulous planning and co-ordination to prepare effective
plans and gather information.

the villains will avoid the herd of elephants if we trample in blindly.

information...we need to build up both humint and comint in the region and strike selectively from
all directions.

the plans to establish training schools for state police under army patronage will also take time to
turn out graduates.

its a decade long effort to marginalize these villains...I wouldnt expect specutacular battles just
a quiet chipping away from all sides, incl tracking their money and arms flows and shutting that
down.

Add to that PYTs on TV claiming to be reporting from "behind enemy lines" ....

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 07 Nov 2009 01:20

Interesting posts: however if the plan was for a calculated & attritional approach, why make grandiose announcements like "Greenhunt" to begin with? Several possibilities come to mind:

a) What Chidu is saying now is correct - he never mentioned Greenhunt and the media (or possibly some pro-Maoist sympathizers) just cooked it up. Either plain DDM or someone pro-actively stirring the pot

b) There was a Greenhunt plan but it was compromised - especially with leaks of operational details in some newspapers. So, they have gone back to the drawing board and are re-working the strategy

c) While announcing the plan, the Home Ministry had under-estimated the depth of the problem. So a bit of back-paddling is happening now

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Nov 2009 02:13

As I said in another thread, there is a difference in PC's approach to the National Security. It is interesting and not boring anymore and we have to watch and he may be succesful.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 07 Nov 2009 02:38

Singha wrote: ...
its a decade long effort to marginalize these villains...I wouldnt expect specutacular battles just
a quiet chipping away from all sides, incl tracking their money and arms flows and shutting that
down.

Singha garu... majority of funding comes from mining companies, timber mafia, and politicians. if police can control these routes, 80% of money flow will dry up. But the big question is how?

A better way to weaken the maoists is to close thier arms flow, which is completely doable by the poice force, and bombard maoist arms depots and explosive channels.

ashkrishna · Post by **ashkrishna** » 07 Nov 2009 05:07

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 205150.cms

Ideology to tackle naxalism?

NEW DELHI: In a highly idelogical response on Maoists, CPM general secretary Prakash Karat on Friday said ultra-Left in India was nothing but
part of "Left-sectarian and anarchist trend".

Stressing the need for "political-idelogical exposure" of Maoists in India, Karat, however, cautioned the government not to treat them as terrorists and even admitted that they had struck a chord among tribals and a section of intelligentsia.

Comparing current violence in West Bengal to the one that swept through the state in the early 1970s, Karat said he was hopeful that it could be dealt with ideologically just the way it was done in the past. He cited election results to show that while CPM lost support among middle classes, it had retained support among tribals. Violence against his party cadre, Karat said, was not a new phenomenon because Marxists mobilised people whom the extremists want to win over.

Giving out a historical perspective on the growth of Maoists in India, Karat said wherever Left has grown, there has been Left-sectarian and anarchist trends. He cited Lenin saying how petty bourgeoisie was drawn to anarchism when it experienced horrors of capitalism.

Karat, who had taken time off from party work in the mid-1980s to study naxalism, said before understanding Maoists it was important to understand their world view. Maoists, he said, saw South Asia on the verge of revolution while West Asia was seen as a focal point of struggle against imperialism.

Read the bold part and enjoy.

What does he mean?? Does the left blossom where anarchy exists or does anarchy follow the left where ever it goes?? A bit of both I guess.

Mr. Karat also stresses that the maoists need politico-ideological exposure AKA trips to china, like the 'enlightened moderate' leftists took. Call me a fool but the communists of india today are like Musharraf of Pakistan in 2001. Fighting an ideology they mothered, in their own turf. Ideological ammanam (nakedness)

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Nov 2009 05:41

Jai ho Rudradev bin ChannelPhori!
I hope I don't have to keep making ignoramus rants in order to get such gems out of you.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Nov 2009 05:53

‘Missiles’ found before CM visit- Threat character changes

Bankura/Midnapore, Nov. 6: The seizure of two “improvised missiles” and a launcher, apparently capable of hitting targets 200 metres away, has left police stunned hours before Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee visits Maoist-hit West Midnapore tomorrow.

The recovery, made in neighbouring Bankura, changes the ground rules of VIP security in the rebel zone. The forces now sanitise just the roadsides since the Maoists are not expected to hit targets beyond 7-8 metres.

Officers said they had never before heard of the rebel arsenal containing missiles or launchers till two sacks of weapons seized last evening, from motorcycle-borne rebel conduits in a forest, threw up the surprise.

“This is the first such recovery in the Maoist-infested areas,” Bankura police chief Vishal Garg said, adding that the two missiles and launcher had been sent to a forensic laboratory “to find out what these are”. The missiles look like pipes, each 3.5ft long, 3 inches in diameter and weighing 8.5kg, the police said.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 07 Nov 2009 09:13

‘Missiles’ found before CM visit- Threat character changes
Bankura/Midnapore, Nov. 6: The seizure of two “improvised missiles” and a launcher, apparently capable of hitting targets 200 metres away, has left police stunned hours before Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee visits Maoist-hit West Midnapore tomorrow. ....

So now CIA, Christianists, MNCs, ISI or China or who-so-ever is giving more advanced weapons to maoists murderers. And it becomes clear that 10000s of policemen will die if this "war" goes on. In case you guys still haven't figured out then let me spell it out. USG (USG = CIA + Christianists + MNCs), now officially controls both the sides of this war. MMS/PC/SG are confirmed slaves of USG and so are Maoist. So why does USG asking both of its slave groups to fight? So that there is widespread civil unrest in India, the whole India materially weakens. And image of Indian policemen, leaders, IAS, elitemen and even middle class men will further deteriorate in the eyes of India's poor in those areas where highly violent fight will erupt between policemen and naxals. So India's material strength will weaken, and also the image of different groups of citizens have about different groups will deteriorate. Its time we consider cheaper options like reducing poverty and salva judum to end this war against naxals.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 07 Nov 2009 10:03

Maoists blow up school building in Jharkhand
Ranchi, November 06, 2009

Maoist rebels blew up a school building in Chatra district of Jharkhand, police said on Friday.

Maoist rebels blew up a middle school building at Asona village of Chatra, around 190 km from state capital Ranchi, late on Thursday.

Around 20 to 25 Maoist guerrillas blew up the school building by using detonators and explosives, a police officer said.

Maoist rebels have blown up more than 30 school buildings in Jharkhand in the last five years.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Nov 2009 10:10

the maobans have arrived !

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Nov 2009 10:16

around a year back I believe a industrial unit making these crude rockets
was busted in chennai . police were on the hunt for more such units in industrial cities.

they arent as accurate as military mortars (needs a trained team to
fire and call out fall of shot) or RPG, but the idea is to use them in
a volley on a building or convoy in direct fire more which can be devastating , or use them as IRA style mortars to lob a volley in a
ballistic arc on a well guarded target like a security force camp. timers
could be rigged to fire them at a certain time, permitting the hit team
to melt away.

link: http://naxalwatch.blogspot.com/2006_11_05_archive.html

Missing missiles not in AP: Andhra DGP
T S Sudhir

Saturday, November 11, 2006 (Hyderabad):

In September, the Andhra Pradesh police chanced upon a huge cache of rocket missiles and launchers.

And then started a desperate search for the missiles that were missing. Two months later, the police say 300 missiles are missing but they are not in Andhra Pradesh.

Two months after the sensational recovery of over 800 rocket missiles and launchers in Mahbubnagar and Prakasam districts, the Andhra Pradesh police now have a clear assessment of how many more missiles are still to be accounted for.

Speaking exclusively to NDTV, the state's top cop Swaranjit Sen said 300 missiles have escaped the police dragnet.

"They had produced some 1500 missiles, out of which 1200 we have laid our hands on, 300 are somewhere. They do not seem to be in Andhra Pradesh," said Swaranjit Sen, DGP, Andhra Pradesh.

Manufacturing unit

The rocket missiles and launchers were manufactured in Ambattur Industrial Estate near Chennai.

The Andhra Pradesh police formed a Special Investigation Team to probe into the entire chain of manufacture and distribution. When 'Tech' Madhu was arrested, he led the police to dumps inside the forest.

"To make each rocket, in terms of raw materials it costs us nearly Rs 950. But if we look at the overall production and manufacture costs, it costs us almost Rs 20 lakh," said Tech Madhu, surrendered Naxal.

With the hundreds of rocket missiles and rocket launchers that are fairly sophisticated in aerodynamic terms still in extremist hands, the police would not want to be taken by surprise.

Pushed to the wall, the Naxals are going to be desperate for any strike to boost the morale of their cadre.

Intelligence sources say the challenge is now for the Orissa and Chattisgarh police to act quickly on the leads provided by their Andhra Pradesh counterparts to zero in on the 300 missiles that may have landed up in their territory before it is too late.

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Nov 2009 11:17

There is little political mileage which GOI or any of its constituents can seek from this issue , infact the tiger which they had been riding for all these years has now reached out to bite their behind so this sudden mobilization against the menace.

Regarding those rockets well again CPI and its goons are known to have been using standard 4/6" pipe bazookas for a decade or so , there are colleges in WB where students are competent enough to make a crude bomb in the chemistry lab . This talk about Naxals having missiles/rockets did not surprise me.

The only way to control this mess is to wipe out the major hubs in one swift move over a couple of days or even a week, and then give them an option to surrender or compromise via talks and oh yes gag the friggin Media for a change.This useless political posturing and twiddling thumbs over issues like whether to use IA or not is again a pointer to the lack of political will and GOI's high tolerance for anti national elements.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 07 Nov 2009 11:33

.This useless political posturing and twiddling thumbs over issues like whether to use IA or not is again a pointer to the lack of political will and GOI's high tolerance for anti national elements.

Aren't there adequate police and paramilitary forces to look after internal security?

If they are incompetent, why have them?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Nov 2009 11:35

afaik the kolkata tradition of choto boma and boro boma were indeed crude chemistry lab bombs used for intimidation factor in riots and protest rallies plus petty protection rackets rather than seriously killing people. to that effect they probably did not have the outer casing of metal shards, glass and nails that are placed to cause flesh wounds.

naxal bombs are much more serious toys.

negi · Post by **negi** » 07 Nov 2009 11:55

Ray sir

I don't think this is the time for us to split hairs over internal vs external threat . We all know that GOI and even various STATE govts for all these years turned a blind eye to the problem and over such a long period Naxalites have spread their network across a vast geographical area.
They unlike petty goons or criminals are motivated,trained in guerrilla warfare, well funded and equipped .

If involvement of IA can resolve this mess effectively in relatively less time and keep civilian casualties low , something which it has done in the past in J&K ,NE and even on UN peace keeping missions then why waste precious time ?