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bart wrote:
Manasvi wrote:on second thought:

PM-ji has deliberately and consciously said what-so-ever he said and signed in the joint statement, as if he is trying to send a message

There is no need to make 'points' like that in a joint statement. Private channels are much more effective.


Right bart ji.

But MEA sources claim that the statement is not signed, whatever be the import of "unsigned".

I thought that all that back channel nonsense was exactly for that.

Or did we read down Art 377 with the understanding that back channels meant something else to the porkis. :evil:
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After all the criticism poor MMS is getting in India, he probably would start thinking the Pakistanis are nicer to him than Indians. :)
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Damage control exercise by Tharoor.
Joint statement is not a legal document
The India-Pakistan joint statement issued in Egypt was a "diplomatic paper" not a legal document, Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor said Thursday, reiterating that what mattered was "not the perception of words on paper" but the conduct of Islamabad in preventing future acts of terror.

"It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press -- different from legal papers."

The minister added that "it is not the language of the statement alone that writes policy".

"It's all very well for the people to say that somehow India's interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document. {Astonishing} It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press - different from the legal papers," said Tharoor.

Tharoor's colleague in the external affairs ministry Preneet Kaur also spoke on the issue and defended the reference to Balochistan in the joint statement.

"It was only mentioned that Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani voiced some concern that the PM said that he had no problem in addressing, since we had everything in an open book. And we certainly have not been doing anything (there)," she told reporters.
The damage is done, Mr. Tharoor & Ms.Praneet Kaur.
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Philip wrote:That's exactly what I've written and meant.The "trusteeship" I've referred to is the state of affairs/situ that has existed since the war of '48 over Kashmir."Opaque" and the opacity means the reduction of tension in the LOC,easy movement of civilians at certain LOC points,allowing the people of POK to see for themselves across the LOC a better life being part of India.Any agreement would be confined to making the lives of the people of Kashmir easier,which with the reduction in tension would benefit India in the Valley from the security point of view. Cross border terrorism would become unpopular in similar fashion as did Al Q's mindless suicide bombings in Baghdad,which ultimately lost them support.Under no circumstances should we give legitimacy to the partition of Kashmir."Azad Kashmir',once the failed state fails,could just switch allegaince to India,for starters, become a "protectorate" as Bhutan is and later on to be further "merged" when the time is ripe as was Sikkim.So let us be like the "Old Turkey Buzzard"!

Philip ji,

What you say makes great sense.

The porkis want soft borders because then they will claim cousin cousin marriages and hope to change the demographics of the border areas and beyond.

They will flood our border areas, settling for "business", and many will fan out quietly into the hinterland."Kashmiri Handicrafts",no less :twisted:


Which politician or party has a longterm thought process to handle
the kashmir issue strategically and not tactically. If we thought long term like the british or the chinese, we would be a different country.

Our K policy changes by the month. Jiska lathi, uska bains.

Our changing and wavering policies confirm to the porki abdul that the fruit is ripe for his picking, just a matter of ek aur dhakka.

He sees every Indian politico as an ikg or mms.
Where as we should collectively be seen in the Sardar Patel mould.

This constant whine of " willing to meet them more than half way"
by mms and his ilk also gives the strong feeling to the street abdul that we are desperate for peace and talks. A plague on the houses of all politicians.


Shut up. Don't react to silly statements from the porkis, speak in one voice. One day its the hurryrats, next its the amrekis, sometimes the british or the europeans.

No articles in the DDM, no interviews with rabid isi generals or porki "experts", no showing of kashmir on our channels except rarely. Publicity is the lifeblood of these porkis.

You already have a big stick with a undoubtedly superior Army. Deal from a position of strength that you are really in, given your actual ground position in kashmir.
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chetak ji, I am sure you can make your point without using the expletives. People, please give some consideration towards the quality of the forum.
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archan wrote:chetak ji, I am sure you can make your point without using the expletives. People, please give some consideration towards the quality of the forum.

archan ji,

Used for emphasis onlee. :)
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I wonder what can they possibly want.

Now that we have given away the store.

Or are we going to sign away our inheritance with another "joint statement" not signed or "diplomatic paper" as tharoor says. Was he sleeping all through his UN tenure?


‘ Pak army, ISI want to be involved in talks with India ’
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Didn't the great Army of Porkistan have not too long ago such a man to represent them,the great "Zero of Kargil",Gen-cum-Pres. Pervert Porcus Bandicootus Moosha-rat? Why,as ex-Pres. he surely can represent them yet again as a special envoy ,as he is eminently qualified to do so with his vast past experience in sub-continental affairs (that is if the current CJ allows it!),especially in the time-honoured Paki military manoeuvre of beating the retreat!

Or if they feel he needs to have official status,all they have to do is dispense with Mr.10% and put the General back in the saddle! If he is unwilling,then all they need to do is for Gen.Kill-any to pull the plug send Mr.10% down the tube and don the hereditary mantle of Gen.Zia as CMLA.
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GOI is really :lol: ; it is the agreements ,treaties and MOU's which are signed for they involve a written account of things to be accomplished according to a set of binding rules. Never have I heard of joint statement being qualified as signed/unsigned . If two parties meet and issue a statement with mutual consent at the end of the meet it is by default the official statement/pov of the two Governments ...there is no such thing as a signed/unsigned.
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Philip wrote:Didn't the great Army of Porkistan have not too long ago such a man to represent them,the great "Zero of Kargil",Gen-cum-Pres. Pervert Porcus Bandicootus Moosha-rat? Why,as ex-Pres. he surely can represent them yet again as a special envoy ,as he is eminently qualified to do so with his vast past experience in sub-continental affairs (that is if the current CJ allows it!),especially in the time-honoured Paki military manoeuvre of beating the retreat!

Or if they feel he needs to have official status,all they have to do is dispense with Mr.10% and put the General back in the saddle! If he is unwilling,then all they need to do is for Gen.Kill-any to pull the plug send Mr.10% down the tube and don the hereditary mantle of Gen.Zia as CMLA.

Philip ji,

God only knows what else went on at that pappi jhappi love fest at sharm el sheik.

Something stinks really bad.

When India conclusively knows that it was the porki army through its lapdog isi that was responsible for the Bombay attacks, why are we shy of articulating that fact?

Now these very same jokers want to independently enter into discussion with the Indian state and are actively seeking a place at the table, what is their perceived opinion or view of the Indian state and of themselves? More importantly, since they have lost control over some sections of the jehadis, why are the army and isi in a tearing hurry to conclude something?

And why then are we dealing with turkeys like gilani and zardari?
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Ladies and Gentlemen,

It is a fair warning as I have explained earlier, if there is any further incorrect use of language, this thread will be locked!
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I ran a search in google news "arundhati roy balochistan" - nothing comes up. Zilch. Some in the media, Congress, and diplomatic circles are making noises - but there seems to be not much coming out from the "Activists" circle.

Does anyone know if Sonia Gandhi issued statements? Here is an article Manmohan did his own thing in talks with Pakistan
Excerpts:
He is now paying the price of this declaration of autonomy from the collective responsibility principle that Sonia Gandhi has evolved and enforced, particularly in the second term of the government. The Congress has steadfastly refused to defend the prime minister from attacks mounted by opposition parties and commentators. His ministers too are mum.
The PMO aide said the prime minister met Sonia Gandhi the day after his return from Sharm el-Sheikh. By then, the storm had broken and there was an uproar in Parliament. Singh telephoned Gandhi to request a meeting. As usual, she insisted on driving over to Race Course Road. The aide said the prime minister presumably briefed her on the developments at Sharm el-Sheikh.

Despite this, the party has chosen to distance itself from the prime minister's stand. This suggests that Gandhi has not yet bought his line on Pakistan and has decided that he should fight the battle himself. A senior Congress source said the party wants to send a message to the prime minister that he cannot ignore the party and take suo moto decisions
Cong stays silent on PM's Egypt formulation
When Prime Minister Manmohan Singh held out a quit threat over the India-US nuclear deal, he had his way. Though it required a drastic
re-engineering of UPA-1's support, he did eventually get the strong backing of Congress chief Sonia Gandhi and more particularly her son Rahul.
Like Rajesh mentioned, there seems to be two camps in Congress; and Sonia/Rahul are trying to patch up. I hope it is all not a drama to get MMS resign {conspiracy theory alert}

Why is so much smoke rising? How much ever we doubt our officials and diplomats; they are not a bunch of incompetents (though we might want to think that). There was an earlier post of a diplomat talking about how they were constantly squishing Pakistan's diplomat's efforts.

Why this hula-gula now? I don't buy into the theory that it was bad drafting. In my opinion it is a case of the two:
1) 'Foriegn hand' twisting us: Simple and straight forward.
2) Conscious decision: (a) Could be a Chess move in the 'game' (b) Domestic/internal politics (c) An implementation of a vision {see Raja Ram's post about MMS vision}

Call me a jingoe or biased, I simply refuse to believe we slipped on the wicket and fell down while running between the wickets.
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Is not "Incorrect" Inappropriate? :wink:

Inappropriate: not appropriate; not proper or suitable: like in "an inappropriate dress for the occasion".

Incorrect Language: Grammatically?

Grammatical: conforming to standard usage: grammatical speech.

Please revert with better warning to me please :)

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Further more

It was inappropriate for MMS to have defacto admit India's role (if any exists) in Balochistan as it in principle establishes the fact that India seems to be interfering in the internal affairs of friendly nation like TS Pakistan which itself seems to be facing terrorism of the same magnitude as India according to the PM.


Having commited a blunder which is sure to be detrimental in the long run to India's interests It is incorrect on the part of PM to take refuge in the drafting error. Even one grants the benefit of doubt for his inadequacy with English, to whom he has repeatedly vowed oodles of gratitude in London is all the more facinating to watch and read.
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SwamyG:

You know the entire Indian sub-continent, India included, is imbued with this disease of the mind called colonization. Thus, for the activists like Ms. A. Roy, Balochistan won't be on their radar screens because its not as sexy to talk about and be heard in the west unlike "Hindu fascism", "vilation of human rights by India in Kashmir" and other such pissing on India crap, fetching them hooker awards or felicitation by the elites from the NY upper east side etc.
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a) MMS takes all the bad decisions like nuke deal, sharm al sheik, give away kashmir, MRCA to unkil etc.
b) He retires due to uproar.
c) Rahul Baba takes up the raj.
d) All bad things are due to MMS onlee so no blame on Baba. So all hail the baba.
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John Snow wrote:Is not "Incorrect" Inappropriate? :wink:

Inappropriate: not appropriate; not proper or suitable: like in "an inappropriate dress for the occasion".

Incorrect Language: Grammatically?

Grammatical: conforming to standard usage: grammatical speech.

Please revert with better warning to me please :)

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It was inappropriate for MMS to have defacto admit India's role (if any exists) in Balochistan as it in principle establishes the fact that India seems to be interfering in the internal affairs of friendly nation like TS Pakistan which itself seems to be facing terrorism of the same magnitude as India according to the PM.


Having commited a blunder which is sure to be detrimental in the long run to India's interests It is incorrect on the part of PM to take refuge in the drafting error. Even one grants the benefit of doubt for his inadequacy with English, to whom he has repeatedly vowed oodles of gratitude in London is all the more facinating to watch and read.
Does not matter!

I will request the Mods and Admins to appoint you as the English Master.

I am sure, all understand what one meant.

Thank you, but the amount of threads one has to go through, it leave one tired to check grammar or English nuances! Apart from the BRF, we also work! Few on the team are idle rich, even if some of the Posters out here are!

If what one sees out here then one can say, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

So long as you and others have understood the intent, it serves the purpose!
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MMS takes all the bad decisions
There is fallacy in the above.

Some Great is making the decisions, MMS takes them down, like you see in any good Res.....


I seek no mastery nor do I relish your recomendation which is not sought. It was only to clarify!
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bacha bacha jantha hain about Pakistan-India relations.

Ram-Robert-Rahim (RRR) in India knew how bad it was when Miandad hit the six of Chetan Sharma. It was in front of the eyes. RRR also has come to know that Pakistan helped Khalistanis, J&K separatists, trained/flew SL airplanes ithyadi. GoI has been telling this to RRR for 60 years now. But RRR would not know the foreign policy dealings and chess game or blunders unless someone explains it to them; or washes their dirty laundry in public.

My simple pooch - Why is Congress washing its dirty laundry now in public? I am going to make things here up - the youngsters in India take as much pride in MMS as they take in Abdul Kalam. MMS was involved in the liberalizing India under PVNR. Again bacha bacha jantha hain. Now the public is being informed MMS could have made some blunders that too w.r.t to our friendly neighbor. How is RRR going to handle the love and confusion?

Or is this just simple, powerful and straightforward arm twisting by Unkil Sam Bahadur? Or do we still think it is all Chanakiyan onlee?

Too much smoke, and hopefully some guru clarifies.
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Folks enough bad mouthing. If you cant make your poit without using expletives and other inappropriate language you will be banned. And no excuses for emphasis etc. And those seen as supporting such usage will also get the ban. Have some consideration. You are getting platform to vent and air your angst and you want to shut it down? No sharm!

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SwamyG wrote:Ram-Robert-Rahim (RRR) in India knew how bad it was when Miandad hit the six of Chetan Sharma.
Zalim, kyon yaad dila diya phir wohi hadsa!
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RajeshA wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Ram-Robert-Rahim (RRR) in India knew how bad it was when Miandad hit the six of Chetan Sharma.
[i]Zalim, kyon yaad dila diya phir wohi hadsa![/i]
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Really heartening to see the way media, netas(for whatever vested interests) and our higher ups (atleast retired) have taken up the case of the"mysterious affair of SeS" and are now making the GoI/PMO hop around trying to find a fig leaf for the indefensible..

All hope is not lost yet.
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Akin to perhaps a scenario where the horse is first deliberately allowed to flee the stable and once the horse has bolted some people later trying to make all the right noises as to how continuous efforts were/are being made to tightly close the stable door
True but given the amount of interest shown on strategic affairs in our nation, i would gladly welcome constructive opposition to blunders made in foreign policy matters (given the many number of times the GoI just get away in many matters since no one is interested)
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ramana >> Is there any oblique reference to my post in which nothing inappropriate was mentioned nor any support to such indicated.
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Question to the Gurus:

While we can assume that Kashmir wont go away from India very soon, there is another thing that might very well be on the negotiating tables with the "higher up" of MMS and SG -- NPT and CTBT.
If the Sharm-el-Sheik incident was from pressure "from above" , do you think we would sign NPT/CTBT before this govt. exits (and is not re-elected) ?

On a side note... I am just imagining WWMD: What would Mayawati do if she was the PM and had to represent us at Sharm-el-Sheik. Would it have been a bigger disaster than it already is, or was she a better choice for PM.
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What would Mayawati do if she was the PM and had to represent us at Sharm-el-Sheik. Would it have been a bigger disaster than it already is, or was she a better choice for PM.
She may not be a great PM but she wouldnt have had the pappi-jhappi moment Punjab-da-puttar, MMS, had with fellow Pakjabi, Gilani.

Congress darling ( and Padmasri winner) Burkha Dutt also went hammer and tongs at the GoI today!!!! :shock:

She said that the secretaries couldn't decide on a draft for two days before MMS and Gilani went on their one-on-one session.Just as the media men were about to pack up thinking that there is nothing, MMS and Gilani walked out ( with hints being dropped that they had agreed on something) and they made the two foreign secretaries to closet themselves to get a joint statement out (which took two further hours). So, the buck stops with MMS onlee.

If Burkha madam is so angry at her favourite govt (she kept saying got hurried into drafting a statement and how the B word was wrong usage), there is something surely wrong.
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Please desist from speculative analysis of individuals who might or might not have been elected. It is futile exercise as elected officials with plenty of experience themselves are at a loss to identify India's interests, long term role and goals. We think of yesterday and live today, tomorrow will be taken care by tomorrow. Precedents are never thought of in executing policy.
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lakshmikanth wrote: On a side note... I am just imagining WWMD: What would Mayawati do if she was the PM and had to represent us at Sharm-el-Sheik. Would it have been a bigger disaster than it already is, or was she a better choice for PM.
That is an interesting thought, Mayavati or more appropriately Amma would perhaps have had Gilani squealing like a stuck pig, if she was in a bad mood or woke up on the wrong side of the bed. :rotfl:

Or perhaps we should make good use of Mamta Bannerjee as the special envoy to Pakistan, so she can shout down the Pakis rather than fighting against here countrymen like in Singur.
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Yes Paki politicians should always be forced to deal with Indian politician women - Mamtas, Mayawatis, Jayalalithas, Uma Bhartis, Sushma Swaraj, etc, no royalty, only those women who have a temper and came up from the lower strata.
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Frankly very frankly Amma/Mayawati. IIRC there was this Sedapati Muthiah or someone who actually messed up in the trust vote and was treated very badly by Amma. I still remember how she riveted Karan Thapar and her repartees. She is a female version of PC arrogant, articulate and hard hitting
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The dhaaga should be renamed to "Sharm-el-sheikh circus-giri"
Pakistan ambiguous on dossier

India has denied that it was given any dossier at Sharm-el Shaikh by Pakistan. ... Foreign Office spokesman (of Pakistan) Abdul Basit was deliberately vague when journalists asked him if the report was true. “All I can say is that whatever was discussed and whatever was handed over is contained in the Joint Statement,” Mr. Basit said, declining to comment any further as he could not discuss “intelligence matters.” (recall that the joint statement says Groper mentioned that Pakistan has some information on threats in Balochistan and other areas.- doesnt say Groper presented information or handed over information)

Over the last few months, the Pakistani media has repeatedly asked Ministers and high officials why, if their claims of Indian involvement in Balochistan or in terrorist incidents in Pakistan are true, they have not been able present the evidence.

..aggressive media maintaining that while Pakistani intelligence agencies had succeeded in gathering “heaps of evidence,” the government did not have the courage or the confidence to confront India on the issue. At press conferences, journalists had openly begun to taunt government Ministers and spokesmen about this.
Also from PTI
Me likey the lahori logic. Similar to the one issued a day back about "YYY agints are so clever, that nobody has seen or heard of them in Balochistan" or something to that effect. No matter how dumb the SDREs are, the pakistanis make us appear like pure-geniuses.
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Now they are backpedalling
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s bold new initiative towards Pakistan looks set to crash even before it has taken off.
A week after, Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani agreed upon a joint statement which sought to delink terrorism from the composite dialogue between the two countries, his own party and other members of his government are questioning the sagacity of the step.
...
On Thursday, the Congress party simply refused to discuss the subject. “Go and ask the government,” said spokesperson Abhishek Singhvi.
The government was just as ambiguous.
...
“It’s all very well for the people to say that somehow India’s interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document. It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press - different from the legal papers,” said Tharoor.
Govt rethinks PM’s Pakistan initiative
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“It’s all very well for the people to say that somehow India’s interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document. It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press - different from the legal papers,” said Tharoor.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Tharoor is trying very very very very very very very hard.
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What exactly is the PM's bold new initiative on Pakistan? No one is elaborating on that for sake of which, he allowed the drafting error and roll back of GOI policy. Was the drafting error a red herring for the EUM which no one is discussing?
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pgbhat wrote:
“It’s all very well for the people to say that somehow India’s interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document. It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press - different from the legal papers,” said Tharoor.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Tharoor is trying very very very very very very very hard.
Yes, this is becoming ridiculous. It makes it sound even more stupid by every statement - whether in defence or criticism. The only saving grace is that there are no Einsteins across the border....
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ramana wrote:What exactly is the PM's bold new initiative on Pakistan? No one is elaborating on that for sake of which, he allowed the drafting error and roll back of GOI policy. Was the drafting error a red herring for the EUM which no one is discussing?
What is 'EUM'?
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“It’s all very well for the people to say that somehow India’s interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document. It is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press - different from the legal papers,” said Tharoor.
What does that really mean?
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Post by pgbhat »

SwamyG wrote: What does that really mean?
Horse manure. :|

PS: I am glad Blowchistan got mentioned.
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Re: India's Sharm-el- Sheikh Harakiri...

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viv wrote:
pgbhat wrote: :rotfl: :rotfl: Tharoor is trying very very very very very very very hard.
Yes, this is becoming ridiculous. It makes it sound even more stupid by every statement - whether in defence or criticism. The only saving grace is that there are no Einsteins across the border....
And that's what sets me off, when I hear this "What is the harm if..." or "What is the big deal if..." etc.

When you hear those words, you know you're about to be given the most ridiculous and shameless spin.

"What is the harm if we sign CTBT? Vee are beeg kampootaryjed nayshun, vee can shimulate it all"
(translation: my Kaangress party needs US support to stay on top)

"What is the big deal if we recognize Chinese sovereignty over Tibet? DL is a feudalist class enemy anyway!"
(translation: I need Chinese yuan to fill my pockets and keep me in power)

"What is the problem if we admit to involvement in Balochistan? We are involved and should brag about it as openly as possible!"
(translation: I need vote bank support to keep me in power)

Etc, etc. The list of "so what" rationales spews forth as if from an uncontrolled bladder.

When the Kaangress motto is "Party first, nation last" then crooked excuse-making is the unsurprising byproduct.
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This whole circus has made me feel very good indeed.

If a couple of misplaced inappropriate words here and there on an unsigned diplomatic paper can cause a storm in Delhi, and make the powers-that-be either go on a maun-vratt or start tripping over their own tongues, and that too even as the Government has a comfortable majority in Lok Sabha, then bhai-log we can be sure, that no PM is going to ever have the mandate to 'achieve' a breakthrough on Kashmir.

It just shows that all those reports on Musharraf and MMS having reached a solution on Kashmir were all hawai-mahal. The PM does not have the mandate for something this big. MMS has just been reminded, that he may be PM, but he does not have the mandate to make any concessions, which is not approved by the people, by the national concensus, as Advani put it.

His political capital after Sharm-el-Sheikh and Clinton visit is gone. He sits in a single Chaddi. That is how he serves India best.
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