RamaY asks:
I agree with your logic w.r.t Pakis. What about the 16 KSA citizens who became pilots and airline passengers on that fateful day?
Prem responds:
I dont think its OT but Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan and whole world knows about this. Lest not ignore this fact while dealing with Islamists or Jehadis or whatever they are called .
OK, this is the standard Obvious Conclusion that our most patriotic and "brutally honest" people leap to, and keep falling into the pakistan in between, and keep failing to realize that the stink they feel is from the pakistan.
Let me take RamaY's question first. The first question is:
How sure are you that there were 16 and only 16, and that they were indeed the Saudi citizens who they were "identified" to be?
As far as I know, there has been no positive ID. The remains were unidentifiable. The airport cameras were, at best, ambiguous. Have you seen any positive ID evidence presented? Saying:"Aha! Look at this corner of a burnt piece of paper. It is 385% certain to be a piece of a Saudi passport. Ismail bin Abdul Al Pooheadi possessed a Saudi passport, and he has disappeared, therefore, Q.E.D.!" is hardly positive ID.
Please read some of the stuff some of us posted at BRM/SRR in the 2001-2002 time frame before we stopped, convinced that it was not a case of the Authorities not KNOWING, it was that they were determined not to acknowledge knowing.
Very briefly, let us suppose Rama and Prem (Houristan forbid!) were Indonesians planning a Jihadi attack on, say, the tallest outcrop of the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica. I mean, LOOK at all those Penguins - going around with their ankles and faces uncovered, haraaam!
So this is a tough operation. Antarctica is far from, say, Indonesia. Takes a lot of money and meticulous planning. The final step is a spectacular, and I mean
crashing of TWO hijacked Russian An-12 transport aircrafts at 400 knots, flying low level over the ice towers and smack into the penguin nest in the Jewish-owned, Russian-financed, Indian-built Duniya's Tallest Towers.
1 year of meticulous planning and preparation later, and much transfer of money through Dubai by Pakistani ISI agints later, it is Jihad Din. They load up into the planes, and conduct a timed-to-the second attack on the crew, well-rehearsed by the (Saudi? or Paki?) Practice Attack in December 1999 on the Indian Airlines plane from Kathmandu.
Who would be your choice as pilots to execute that last maneuver, under conditions where the passengers were trying to rush the cockpit, fighters were scrambling, 200 people were screaming and terrorists were ranting and waving box-cutters and cutting people's throats? And not to forget, the 2 pilots on each plane were bleeding to death from slit throats and the control panel looked like your kitchen on Bakr Id?
Be brutally honest now:
a) A bunch of lazy, carousing Saudi civilians, who were sent to take flying lessons but usually skipped classes ... but you were depending on them to coolly fly a huge aircraft at high speed through a 45-degree banked, 90-degree, coordinated turn at exactly 183 feet above the ground at 400 knots, smacking into the second floor from the top of the DTT?
What if they missed, stalled, and just fell into the sea? What if these jackasses got sick and passed out, and the passengers killed them all and flew the airliner to a survivable landing?
What if they missed, tried again to come around, and the missile batteries in Ross Harbor reacted and shot the plane down?
What if they missed and crashed on the Saudi Center for Enlightenment 3 blocks away?
b) A set of highly trained military pilots whom you could rent and brainwash into believing that killing innocents makes them heroes per the tradition of said military since they cannot win in combat against real soldiers?
What country has such a military"
What country has such pilots?
What country gets its Air Force pilots out on rent to KSA, Bahrain, etc. etc. to fly in their Air Forces?
What country's Air Force pilot was a co-student of Mohammed Atta, a Major in its Air Force, until he was recalled because his brother had become pest-e-sha'eed on an "Atlantique" aircraft, and so the family had only one son left to contribute to the Jehad?
I once asked this question to a Jewish lady sitting next to me on a long and very informative flight across the Evil Land of Great Satan, and the lights absolutely went on in her mind and she asked what I thought should be done to General Musharraf.
She was obviously far smarter than many of our postors here, who after years of reading BRF, cannot figure this out on their own.
Well.. I can't make you guys think, but I sure can make sure the forum doesn't keep getting polluted by thoughtless rants by people with a single-point agenda- spread hate against one religion.
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And a final point there: These things happened in and before 2001. Maybe you were all very young then and immersed in such classics as "Baa Baa Khusboo, have many fools had yoo?" or "Abdul had a little lamb! And then he ate her!". But this is 2009. The year when General Musharraf made that interview, casually
declaring that 9/11 and all terrorism happened because the US Abandoned Pakistan after 1992 and Failed to Get Cash-Mere for Pakistan.
What did he mean by that, have you wondered? Do you expect any clearer admission of guilt?
Cheers
The kick in the musharraf from Nai Dilli must have been World Cup Soccer quality to make these guys FIND the application inside a week.
lets hope we get some info with regards to the above too, btw what are the odds of beebul in embassy erroneously issuing a Visa to a baki without required papers vis a vis to a fellow Indian ?