Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Jun 2010 00:17

Mutton prices in Pakistan ( Islamabad or Lahore).
URLs not provided

2004 Rs 170-200/kg
2005 175-220/kg
2006 190-230/kg
2007 220-250/kg
Feb 2008 250-280/kg
Feb 2009 300/kg
Mar 2 2009 320/kg
Feb 2010 450-550/kg

The Pakistani Government Consumer Price Index (2000-01 = 100) was supposed to be 121.98 in 2004-05 and was supposed to be 219.65 in March 2010.

So, the price of mutton has increased by a factor of 2.65-3.24 and general prices have increased only by 1.8 in the same period.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Jun 2010 00:36

Deobandi vs Salafi Jihadis in Pakistan
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12613

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 09 Jun 2010 00:38

A_Gupta wrote: 4. Proof is in the pudding - as far as I know, Indian scientists have always been welcome at Abdus Salam's ICTP (International Centre for Theoretical Physics) in Trieste, Italy, while Abdus Salam ran it.

So were few Indian princes in Aurangzeb's court.

Ahmediyas can be compared to Anglo Indians.
Anglo-Indians became Indian-Anglos only after immigrating to UK when the UK natives gave them the finger.
Before that their contempt for Indic natives was legendary.

Same with Ahmediyas. They would know the importance of indic culture only in TSP, where they are getting the RDX finger since last 50 years.

saip · Post by **saip** » 09 Jun 2010 00:52

Carl_T wrote:What is wrong with using animal fat in cooking if your are not a veggie? In UK they use it in pies, in pureland it is halwa whereas in west it is all ground up into hot dogs. Nothing wrong.

Nothing wrong per se unless you are a vegetarian. By the same count, if you are a non vegetarian, nothing wrong in eating pork unless you are a jew or a muslim.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 09 Jun 2010 01:04

Carl_T ji I know mexicans use lard while cooking rice to add flavor same way as Thai use fish extracts in all their dishes. Now the bigger question is hygene. If you are extracting some animal parts there are some medical & ethical guidelines that need to be followed forget ethical ones for discussion now because that does not apply to pakis and taller than mountan friends. By medical standards you cannot harvest animals who are not slaughtered in the slaughter house or diseased animals, poisoned animals or animals already dead of natural cause, Then the second point is extracting body fat from under the skin looks to be the accepted practice but extracting it from bones of carcasses and left over trash from resturant plates is something I am not sure if I want to be consuming. Also same goes to chicken feed created from blood of dead animals.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 09 Jun 2010 01:06

Maybe, I am just somewhat desensitized with this sort of stuff after watching Andrew Zimmer shows, among other things.

Read negi ji's story on nukkad.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jun 2010 01:09

Leave him alone. He is too Modernised to understand that.
When it comes to Hindu sensibilities they are trampled on. When its others they are raised on pedestal.
Am sure he is aware of the porcine issues but is oblivious of beef products.

MS Aiyar was proud of his gastronomical preferences.

Brad Its not hygene etc. Its religious sensebilities plain and simple.

TSP folks insist on serving dishes cooked in tallow to make others lose their faith. New converts are made to eat that to make sure they are not retaining the old faith.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 09 Jun 2010 01:11

It has nothing to do with "hindu sensibilities", especially when the country is not even Hindu to begin with.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jun 2010 01:13

OK Sanathan Dharma or is that also non-existent?

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 09 Jun 2010 01:14

Pakistan is a state that follows Sanathan Dharma?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 09 Jun 2010 01:29

by Carl_t
It has nothing to do with "hindu sensibilities", especially when the country is not even Hindu to begin with.

Actually in order to achieve holier status naPakis have over emphasized and used meat (grinding bones from garbage). In their zeal to become un-hindu like they will rather have Halwa Puri fried in Beef Lard than Desi Ghee., without realizing that they are eating "Halwa Puri" and not Arabian "BAKLAVA" or Camel Lard. It is just plain prejudice/hatred against Hindus.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Jun 2010 01:48

SBajwa wrote: by Carl_t
It has nothing to do with "hindu sensibilities", especially when the country is not even Hindu to begin with.

Actually in order to achieve holier status naPakis have over emphasized and used meat (grinding bones from garbage). In their zeal to become un-hindu like they will rather have Halwa Puri fried in Beef Lard than Desi Ghee., without realizing that they are eating "Halwa Puri" and not Arabian "BAKLAVA" or Camel Lard. It is just plain prejudice/hatred against Hindus.

Unless one knows the history of the conversion it is difficult to understand why the sub continent muslims have taken habits and traditions they have which is unique.
When the Muslims invaders came in they looked at the behavior of the Hindus and also the experience of the converts. The converts used to switch back to becoming Hindus again after some period. They saw that Hindu groups and priests used to hold back if the temple idols are threatened and if Hindus are defiled and eat meat.

They studied the social behavior and found that any member who came into intimate contact with the meleccha and eat meat was ostracized from the social group. These social outcaste people would be welcomed by the muslim rulers and then help form anti-social group against Hindus. One of the first behavior change by the new convert is to use meat and meat products in all Hindus items from prasad to regular food. They found that this was the best social change which will make sure that the convert will never revert back to Hindu 'tradition'. Changing the Hindu 'traditions' of the social group became the answer to religious conversion. Hence we see that that all pakistan tradition have this social traditions from the medival period and it has little similarity to the arab traditions and practice. Folk Islam was the norm in the country side during the Islamic period and most of the practices was this kind of traditions including sufi worship, dargah etc.

In the modern period the social behavior and traditions of Hindus/Indians have adapted and now they welcome all 'new social traditions' into the traditions. This has become more dangerous to Pakistan traditions since it will dilute their traditions and pak social groups will break away and join the Indian social groups (same caste, last name, Pakjab jati, community). Indian economy being bigger and higher social status puts more pressure on Pak social groups to hold together. The only way to reduce the tide is to develop hatred and violence. This is the story of modern Pakistan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jun 2010 02:04

Wasnt there the book by Mr Chari about Islam in India in the 13th thru 15th century which documented the above processes?

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 09 Jun 2010 02:24

That doesn't make sense, all memory of Pakis being Hindus has been erased in their psyche. How can they possibly be distancing from something that does not exist in Pakistan?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 09 Jun 2010 02:32

Carl_T wrote:That doesn't make sense, all memory of Pakis being Hindus has been erased in their psyche. How can they possibly be distancing from something that does not exist in Pakistan?

That is partially true Carlji. Google "Basant Festival in Pakistan" and you will see the gusto with which this essentially Hindu ritual is still celebrated in TSP. Sari is still a garment in vogue among TSPian ladies. Can give you more examples if you need them but I just wanted to point out that the Hindu history of TSPian ancestors is not completely wiped from their collective psyche. This is partly the reason for the vehemence in their actions against Indian in general and Hindus in particular. Most TSPians probably would take serious offence if they were called a Hindu by mistake.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 09 Jun 2010 02:33

Carl_T wrote:That doesn't make sense, all memory of Pakis being Hindus has been erased in their psyche. How can they possibly be distancing from something that does not exist in Pakistan?

I doubt that. Yes there has been huge attempt to persianize and then arabize pakis sometimes call them C Asian sometimes turks and some times Aryans anything but SDRE to keep the morale up but look at the reality on ground level. They still retain their caste. They still retain their tribal beleifs like karo kari, pastunwali etc. So I am not sure if we can say they are really been desensitized from sanatan dharma or tribal beleifs. Also look at their love for Indian movies, TV serials and other forms of entertainments which are full of hindu names / traditions. Pakjabis love for basant was all over the papers this year despite mullas trying to cut that umbilical cord of pakjabis with their local culture.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Jun 2010 02:33

ramana wrote:Wasnt there the book by Mr Chari about Islam in India in the 13th thru 15th century which documented the above processes?

All sociology studies have this documented.

Hinduism and Islam in India From antiquity to modern times by S V Desika Char

Check the book and read it.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jh2qec ... &q&f=false

PAGE 104

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 09 Jun 2010 02:54

The reaction to banning of kite flying which was a yearly contest type thing during basant is one good indicator of such traces carl_t.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jun 2010 02:57

BijuShet wrote:
Carl_T wrote:That doesn't make sense, all memory of Pakis being Hindus has been erased in their psyche. How can they possibly be distancing from something that does not exist in Pakistan?
That is partially true Carlji. Google "Basant Festival in Pakistan" and you will see the gusto with which this essentially Hindu ritual is still celebrated in TSP. Sari is still a garment in vogue among TSPian ladies. Can give you more examples if you need them but I just wanted to point out that the Hindu history of TSPian ancestors is not completely wiped from their collective psyche. This is partly the reason for the vehemence in their actions against Indian in general and Hindus in particular. Most TSPians probably would take serious offence if they were called a Hindu by mistake.

Geoffery Moorhouse in his book "To the High Frontier" mentions how his TSP host was besides himself at a street side vendor who had a mortar and pestle and exclaimed that the person was covert Hindu and the Mortar and Pestle were take apart Shiv ling!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Jun 2010 03:00

interestingly, in spain - almost every dish has a bit of pork in it somewhere (or atleast pork fat). apparently that was done deliberately after they drove the moors back across the waters in order to flush out any covert muslims and ensure that they had a christian only country
spain is a tough place if you're a veggie! although things are getting better

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Jun 2010 03:04

Lalmohan wrote:interestingly, in spain - almost every dish has a bit of pork in it somewhere (or atleast pork fat). apparently that was done deliberately after they drove the moors back across the waters in order to flush out any covert muslims and ensure that they had a christian only country
spain is a tough place if you're a veggie! although things are getting better

Christians learnt the weakness of the invading muslims during the crusades and made sure that bacon and pork was in every meal so that Muslims consider them unclean and unwanted socially.
Irish potatos and Italian food have pork and pork fat is abundance so that social difference are created with the Muslims.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Jun 2010 03:13

A_Gupta wrote:
RamaY wrote: If you make such distinction, majority of RAPEs, TSPA and ISI fall in to your love-making group.
So majority of RAPEs, TSPA, ISI are geniuses - talented in science, mathematics, the arts? Since when?

Who is Muhammed Iqbal?

and the rest of Pakis

Human rights activists and philanthropists

* Abdul Sattar Edhi
* Hakim Said
* Ansar Burney
* [Asma Jahangir]
* [M.S.Elahi]
* [Afrasiab Khattak]

Doctors & dentists

* Dr. AJ Khan, Principal of Ayub Medical College, Bolan Medical College, Frontier Medical College, Former Minister of Population
* Dr. Hasnat Khan, leading heart surgeon, head of Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences. Also worked in Chelsea, London.
* Dr. Arif Alvi, Chairman of Pakistan Dental Federation [1]
* Dr. Kazi Uzair, former President of the Dow Medical College Students' Union in Karachi (February 22, 1959 - January 22, 1989)

Architects

* Mohammad Abdul Ahed
* A. R. Hye
* Nayyar Ali Dada
* Yasmeen Lari

Editors of Literary Magazines

* Ahmad Nadeem Qasmi

Educationalists and scholars

* Dr Ali Sajid, Ph.D Engineering Management, Scholar The George Washington University
* Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi, Ph.D., Scholar, Critic, Vice Chancellor, University of Karachi, Karachi, Pakistan.
* Pirzada Qasim, Ph.D., Scholar, Vice Chancellor, University of Karachi, Karachi
* Attash Durrani, Ph.D., Scholar, Linguist, Director, Center of Excellence for Urdu Informatics, Islamabad, Pakistan.
* Syed Imtiaz Hussain Gilani, Contractor & Vice Chancellor, Engineering University, Peshawar, Pakistan
* Dr. Faisal Manzoor Arain, Ph.D., MS, B.Arch, Scholar, Chair, Construction Project Management, Southern Alberta Institute of Technology (SAIT), Calgary, Canada
* Dr. Rashid Kausar, Ph.D.,Michigan State University, Scholar, Motivational Speaker, Management consultant, Pro Rector-University of Management & Technology Lahore Pakistan
* Prof. Dr. Atta ur Rahman, Ph.D in Organic Chemistry, awarded a Doctorate of Science by University of Cambridge in 1987.[2]

Social scientists and religious scholars

* Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri, Professor, Islamic Law, Founder of Tehreek-e-Minhaj-ul-Quran
* Syed Ata Ullah Shah Bukhari, Ameer-e-Shariat, Leader: Majlis-e-Ahrar-ul-Islam, British India
* Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi
* Abul Ala Maududi
* Akbar S. Ahmed holds Ibn Khaldun seat at American university
* Ali Abbas famous journalist and author.
* Allamah Rasheed Turabi
* Akhtar Hameed Khan
* Ayesha Jalal Scholar and Educationist and Religious and Spiritual leader, Hyderabad, Pakistan.
* Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi, renowned historian (late)
* Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
* Kazi Zulkader Siddiqui, of Ethics, Religion and History, Shifa College of Medicine
* Khurshid Ahmad
* Muzaffar Iqbal
* Ehsan Elahi Zaheer
* Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani
* Zafar Ishaq Ansari Scholar, Educationist - Director General, Islamic Research Institute, International Islamic University, Islamabad
* Dr. Israr Ahmed Professor, Islamic History, Islamic System, Founder of Tanzeem-e-Islami, Tehreek-e-Khilafat and Anjuman Khuddam-ul-Quran

Economists

* A G N Kazi
* Ghulam Ishaq Khan
* Dr. Mohammad Zubair Khan
* Ahmed Hussain A Kazi
* Ghulam Faruque
* Hafeez A. Pasha
* Mahbub ul Haq
* Ishrat Hussain
* Salman Shah

Scientists and technologists

* Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, Nuclear Scientist, and the Father of Pakistan's nuclear program.
* Ishfaq Ahmad, well-known Nuclear Physicist and former Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC).
* Pervez Hoodbhoy, prominent atomic physicist.
* Abdullah Sadiq, prominent ICTP Laureate Nuclear Physicist and one of the pioneers of Pakistan's nuclear program.
* Samar Mubarakmand, Nuclear Scientist, Chairman, National Engineering and Scientific Commission.
* Anwar Ali, Chairman Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC)
* Shahid Hussain Bokhari, prominent computer engineer and aerospace scientist
* Salimuzzaman Siddiqui Ph.D in Organic Chemistry.
* Prof. Dr. Abdul Ghaffar, Ph.D in Plant Pathology Department of Botany, University of Karachi, Karachi, Pakistan.
* Javaid Laghari, well-known aerospace scientist
* Datuk Rahman Anwar Syed, renowned entomologist responsible for discovering the biological method of oil palm pollination
* Anwar Naseem, Advisor Science COMSTECH, Chairman National Commission on Biotechnology Pakistan, Founding president FABA[3]
* Abdus Salam, Nobel Laureate in Physics 1979,
* Prof. Dr. Atta ur Rahman, Ph.D in Organic Chemistry, awarded a Doctorate of Science by University of Cambridge in 1987.[4]

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Jun 2010 05:52

RamaY wrote: Who is Muhammed Iqbal?
and the rest of Pakis

Which of these beyond Iqbal and Abdus Salam will be remembered in 25 years by anyone outside Pakistan?

PS: and we still sing Saare Jahan Se Achcha

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 09 Jun 2010 05:59

by Ramay
Human rights activists and philanthropists

* Abdul Sattar Edhi
* Hakim Said
* Ansar Burney
* [Asma Jahangir]
* [M.S.Elahi]
* [Afrasiab Khattak]

All of these are paper human rights activitists in garb. They are fictitious "activists" and do not even think of non-muslims are "worthy" of being humans. So!! take their boasting of "Human rights" with heavy bags of salt.
I was following Ansar Burney on facebook where after I asked him heavy questions he took me off his "friends list". so! just remember anybody who is a Sunni muslim in Pakistan is/can/never be a human rights activitist!!

You should only call them as Islamic rights activists.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 09 Jun 2010 06:03

by Ramay

Doctors & dentists

* Dr. AJ Khan, Principal of Ayub Medical College, Bolan Medical College, Frontier Medical College, Former Minister of Population
* Dr. Hasnat Khan, leading heart surgeon, head of Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences. Also worked in Chelsea, London.
* Dr. Arif Alvi, Chairman of Pakistan Dental Federation [1]
* Dr. Kazi Uzair, former President of the Dow Medical College Students' Union in Karachi (February 22, 1959 - January 22, 1989)

What have these personalities done for the world? nothing whatsoever!! These are RAPE class!! who can't even think freely let alone be a doctor!! they will most likely think of Kafir or muslim before treating any human!! You should never trust a naPAkistani doctor!! They only have killed or converted non-muslims through deceit, fraud, and any other means in their hand.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 09 Jun 2010 06:04

by Ramay
Economists

* A G N Kazi
* Ghulam Ishaq Khan
* Dr. Mohammad Zubair Khan
* Ahmed Hussain A Kazi
* Ghulam Faruque
* Hafeez A. Pasha
* Mahbub ul Haq
* Ishrat Hussain
* Salman Shah

once again!! how many non-muslims did these eminent personalities helped?!! if any!!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Jun 2010 06:11

SBajwa wrote:
by Ramay
Economists

* A G N Kazi
* Ghulam Ishaq Khan
* Dr. Mohammad Zubair Khan
* Ahmed Hussain A Kazi
* Ghulam Faruque
* Hafeez A. Pasha
* Mahbub ul Haq
* Ishrat Hussain
* Salman Shah
once again!! how many non-muslims did these eminent personalities helped?!! if any!!!

You made me to waste my last few minutes of hard Kuffar work.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jun 2010 06:25

The words "choicest cuts" of meat are merely an indicator that there are some parts of an animal that are easier to eat and more delicious and other parts are "leftovers". Even in the animal kingdom, the hyaenas eat what the lions abandon and the vultures eat what's left, leaving a little for ants, flies and bacteria.

If you go back even to the early 1900s you find that the US/European citizen who now eats meat every day was unable to get meat every day in that era. A meat eating society that does not get meat uses up a far greater proportion of the slaughtered animal. The expression "Leaving the bones picked clean" is an example of this.

A lot of west asian, Arab and even Punjabi cuisine (or pseudo Punjabi cuisine which has spread in "dhabas" to the far corners of India) involves the use of the most succulent and choicest cuts in delicious and boneless meat dishes. That actually leaves a lot of stuff left on bone or as offal which has to be discarded or eaten by poorer people (or processed and used as cattle feed as they used to do in the UK)

So if Pakis pick every part of the animal clean it is only because they must be short of meat and it is cheaper to get the leftovers. The Chinese too have made an art of managing with what meat they have. And I believe migrant groups in Siberia drink moose blood (the moose stays alive like a cow lives after milking) as a beverage.

Arun Gupta's list of meat prices shows a steady increase in price. This flies against the idea of greater availability, unless this is another example of rampant Pakistani profiteering.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 09 Jun 2010 07:38

The US Embassy caterer who helped FS never attended Univ of Houston

Just two weeks ago, the son of a well-known caterer in Pakistan was arrested for alleged links with Faisal Shahzad, the failed Times Square bomber. News organisations around the world quoted the caterer saying that his 35-year-old son had graduated from the University of Houston with a computer science degree in 2001.

But the University of Houston did not have a record of him. Nor did any of its affiliate campuses. Slowly I sifted through a checklist of a dozen colleges in Houston, trying to find out where he spent his days while he was living in the US between 1999 and 2001.

I had already visited some of his past residences listed in public records. From what I gathered, he had moved around quite a bit in three years but he was definitely not roughing it out as a student. Most of the apartments he lived in were high-end, equipped with first-class gym facilities and well-manicured gardens.

Finally, I got a call from the Houston Community College (HCC). “He was registered as a computer science major here. But he never graduated.” Sharon Gee, who works with the student record department confirmed. “He paid tuition for four semesters, but dropped out of two.”

Before leaving for Pakistan in the spring of 2001, he had only earned enough credits for one semester of college. A regular graduate in the US has at least eight semesters under his/her belt before earning a bachelor’s degree.

Can we ever trust anything when it comes to Pakis. Its time for NYT, Wa Post etc... to publish a correction. Also observe how Dawn hides this important news in this article to preserve H & D of the Rape class

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jun 2010 07:56

A_Gupta wrote:Deobandi vs Salafi Jihadis in Pakistan
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12613

More than the article itself, which states things about which we may have more knowledge here in BR, the comments are interesting.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jun 2010 08:03

Gunmen destroy NATO supplies outside Islamabad

So far, it was happening outside Peshawar or on the way to Landikotal from Peshawar. Now, the scene has shifted to just outside Islamabad.

Gunmen in Pakistan opened fire on trucks carrying supplies to NATO troops in Afghanistan, torching more than a dozen vehicles and killing seven people near Islamabad, police said on Wednesday.

The attack took place overnight at Tarnol about 15 kilometres (10 miles) outside the Pakistani capital on the road to the northwestern city of Peshawar and in turn towards the main NATO supply route into neighbouring Afghanistan.

Wednesday's assault was the first so close to the heavily guarded capital.

"Seven deaths have been confirmed. Four are injured. There is no information about any arrests," said police official Gustasab Khan.

"Unknown attackers opened fire on vehicles parked at Tarnol. Fire erupted in the tankers and trucks, and over a dozen were set ablaze. They were trucks carrying NATO supplies," said police official Tahir Riaz.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jun 2010 08:13

SSridhar wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Deobandi vs Salafi Jihadis in Pakistan
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12613
More than the article itself, which states things about which we may have more knowledge here in BR, the comments are interesting.

Can we get a translation of the urdu part?

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Jun 2010 08:28

SBajwa wrote:
by Ramay

Doctors & dentists

* Dr. AJ Khan, Principal of Ayub Medical College, Bolan Medical College, Frontier Medical College, Former Minister of Population
* Dr. Hasnat Khan, leading heart surgeon, head of Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences. Also worked in Chelsea, London.
* Dr. Arif Alvi, Chairman of Pakistan Dental Federation [1]
* Dr. Kazi Uzair, former President of the Dow Medical College Students' Union in Karachi (February 22, 1959 - January 22, 1989)

What have these personalities done for the world? nothing whatsoever!! These are RAPE class!! who can't even think freely let alone be a doctor!! they will most likely think of Kafir or muslim before treating any human!! You should never trust a naPAkistani doctor!! They only have killed or converted non-muslims through deceit, fraud, and any other means in their hand.

The above lot of medical luminaries from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan turned out to be of no use to this Pakistani kid who had to come to India to have his medical problems resolved

:

Pakistani boy can hear again, thanks to Gurgaon hospital

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 09 Jun 2010 08:41

Taliban governance continues in NW of P

Man publicly executed in Miramshah

PESHAWAR: Hundreds of people watched a man executed at gunpoint in a militant stronghold in northwestern Pakistan on Tuesday after a Taliban court found him guilty of killing two brothers, residents and officials said.

Pakistan's northwestern ethnic Pashtun tribal lands along the Afghan border have never been under the full control of any government and have been militant hubs for decades.
Pakistan's military says it is overstretched and does not have enough resources to open another front when it has yet to consolidate its successes elsewhere.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Jun 2010 08:56

Let us not miss the signal for the noise.

The story of the moral is to realize that NO ONE can take the Pakiness out of a Paki. Even Allah can't do that, that is why he kills them.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 09 Jun 2010 10:04

Ahmediya contribution to Kashmir

The interest which the Hazrat had evinced in Kashmir did not die down with the passage of time for even after partitioning of the country, in September, 1947, he convened a meeting of the representatives of the Jamaat in Rattan Bagh, Lahore. And desired the formation of a Volunteers Corps to fight the battle for Pakistan in Kashmir. His address was so stirring and inspiring and it infused such a spirit of sacrificing lives for the sake of the country, that the voices of ‘Yes, I am ready’ were heard from all the corners. Consequently Furqan Battalion was formed in June, 1948. The volunteers fought heroically at Bhagsar Front from June 1948 to June 1950. The bold fight which they put up constitutes a glorious chapter in the history of defense of Pakistan.

Sir Muhammad Iqbal, who was present in the meeting, proposed the name of Hazrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad, Khalifa-tul-Masih II, for presidentship of the committee and all present, being aware of his capabilities and potential, approved of the proposal. The committee, under the able leadership of the Hazrat, launched a vigorous drive which naturally was not to the taste of the ruling class. Consequently the Government of the state resorted to further oppressive measures i.e. of lodging false complaints of loot, arson, rebellion etc., against the Muslims and started throwing them into jails. The committee, guided by the Hazrat Sahib, stood up to the challenge and Ahmadi lawyers came forward to defend free of charge, the persons who were being persecuted. Lahore once again was in the lime light for among the famous Ahmadi lawyers who fought the cases in the courts were Chaudhry Muhammad Zafar-ullah Khan, Sheikh Bashir Ahmad (later judge of the High Court) and Chaudhry Asad Ullah Khan - all from Lahore. Thus Lahore, though not directly involved, functioned as a reservoir of legal knowledge and advice, which was ably utilized by the Hazrat Sahib.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Jun 2010 11:18

the hindu

In a brazen attack just outside the fortified capital, gunmen attacked trucks ferrying supplies to forces of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) in Afghanistan late Tuesday night; killing at least seven people and torching nearly a score of the heavily-laden vehicles.

The trucks came under attack at the Tarnol depot on the motorway towards Peshawar. With many of the trucks carrying transport fuel, explosions could be heard as the inferno spread rapidly despite fire tenders rushing in from the twin cities of Rawalpindi and Islamabad to contain the blaze. Most of the deceased and injured were the drivers or cleaners of the trucks.

According to the police, unknown attackers opened fire at the trucks and threw petrol bombs to set them ablaze around midnight. As the Tarnol depot is also used by private vehicles, indications were that not all the vehicles destroyed in the fire were carrying supplies for NATO.

Though trucks carrying supplies for NATO troops come under attack fairly regularly along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, this is the first time that such an attack has taken place so close to the Capital. Earlier this year, a similar convoy of trucks had been ambushed in Karachi as they left two ports of the city for Afghanistan.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 09 Jun 2010 11:29

Don't show Bharat in maps

Maps are one of the most important instruments of presenting visions. Chaudhry Rehamt Ali did that brilliantly. He displayed how the future would look like. European maps of the world show Britain in the middle. American maps show the US in the middle.All Western maps depict “Northern” countries bigger and larger and Southern countries as smaller. Thus Greenland a small island is shown as big as Africa–and minor Canadian islands are displayed as big as several Southern countries. Pakistani maps are impoverished and nasty.

Pakistan is part of the ECO, and Pakistan maps should depict the future of Pakistan as PakAsia. If Pakistan is to look forward and move forward–the maps must begin at the 30° 00 N (longitude) parallel and move North. The latitude shown should be 70º 00 E and West of that. There is no point in showing all of Bharat in Pakistani maps. that gives a false picture to the youth.

Pakistan maps should show Pakistan and the all the Central Asia Republics, the Middle East and Turkey. This is the future of Pakistan.

bart · Post by **bart** » 09 Jun 2010 14:00

Airavat wrote:Don't show Bharat in maps

Maps are one of the most important instruments of presenting visions. Chaudhry Rehamt Ali did that brilliantly. He displayed how the future would look like. European maps of the world show Britain in the middle. American maps show the US in the middle.All Western maps depict “Northern” countries bigger and larger and Southern countries as smaller. Thus Greenland a small island is shown as big as Africa–and minor Canadian islands are displayed as big as several Southern countries. Pakistani maps are impoverished and nasty.

Pakistan is part of the ECO, and Pakistan maps should depict the future of Pakistan as PakAsia. If Pakistan is to look forward and move forward–the maps must begin at the 30° 00 N (longitude) parallel and move North. The latitude shown should be 70º 00 E and West of that. There is no point in showing all of Bharat in Pakistani maps. that gives a false picture to the youth. Pakistan maps should show Pakistan and the all the Central Asia Republics, the Middle East and Turkey. This is the future of Pakistan.

http://thedawn.com.pk/ is different from dawn.com which is the newspaper site. This site appears to be one more creation of the nutjob behind rupeenews.com.

BTW, the above website's slogan is "The Dawn. News digest of the prophetic Sunrise in the East"

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 09 Jun 2010 14:28

Gunmen kill 7 torch Nato trucks in Rawalpindi

Gunmen attacked trucks carrying supplies to Nato forces in Afghanistan, gutting several dozen vehicles in an inferno and killing seven people in a brazen assault near Islamabad, police said Wednesday.
The overnight attack was unprecedented for its proximity to the Pakistani capital, taking place at a depot in Rawalpindi on the road to the northwestern city of Peshawar and towards the main Nato supply route into Afghanistan.
“Seven deaths have been confirmed. Four are injured. There is no information about any arrests,” said police official Gustasab Khan. The casualties were the drivers of the trucks, their helpers or local people, he said.