Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2011 00:03

ramana wrote:Any way she is the new unven Cohen and needs to be studied. To me her most remarkable study was the Indian Hamletian decisions to test or not to test. It shows her keen understanding of the Indian political mind which Uneven didn't have.

BossGaru, meeru giving way too much credit for a pipsqueak mouthpiece who has been given access to US inter agency insiders thats all. I won't be surprised if she is one of those gora women with some brains who looked for opportunities beyond what women on Fox/CNN are expected to do, and hence found a niche as a "South Asia" expert given that GWOT & AfPak offers a lot of opportunities these days to such anal-ysts.

Along with her, I have noticed other anal-ysts like Michael O'Hanlon, Peter Bergen, Bruce Riedel etc also make noises about LeT. But they all mention LeT, as per what US inter agency insiders tell them, that LeT has connections to "Al Queda" and hence of interest to USA, and not because LeT is the most loathsome, fearsome, savage Pak-sponsored terrorist group in world and arrayed against India. So to this end, yes its worthwhile to monitor what this duckling has to reveal, namely, what her US inter agency handlers are telling her about LeT. With MMS having reduced India to a cowardly banana republic whose answer to TSP's declaration of war on 26/11 is to watch and play cricket with the terrorists who perpetrated that crime, the rest of India will take any dog bone US throws visa vi LeT.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Apr 2011 00:05

CRamS wrote: With MMS having reduced India to a cowardly banana republic whose answer to TSP's declaration of war on 26/11 is to watch and play cricket with the terrorists who perpetrated that crime, the rest of India will take any dog bone US throws visa vi LeT.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Apr 2011 00:16

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 15 Apr 2011 00:44

Sushupti wrote:http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking.

He ripped them a new one. He reads BRF 200%.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Apr 2011 01:15

^^ We are creating a new generation of jingo reporters. If we can create 10 such people, BR is worth the time we all spend.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 15 Apr 2011 01:17

Sirjee,

lets not take ANY credit for him, when we dont even know how much BR is due, if at all.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Apr 2011 01:32

CRamS,
http://home.comcast.net/~christine_fair ... es/cv.html

Not a Fox news bimbo.

Can read and speak Urdu, Punjabi and Hindi. Elementary conversational capabilities in Persian/Dari.

PhD, 2004, M.A., 1997: University of Chicago, Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations

* American Institute for Iranian Studies grant to conduct research and language studies in Iran,2001
* USIA/NMERTA scholarship to learn Urdu in Lahore, Pakistan, 1995-1996
* Title VI scholarship to study Punjabi in Lahore, Pakistan, 1996
* Title VI scholarship to study Punjabi at the University of California, Berkeley, 1995
* Title VI graduate scholarships to study Hindi and Urdu, 1993-1997
* Departmental scholarship to study Hindi in Uttar Pradesh, India, 1994

M.A., 1997, University of Chicago, Harris School of Public Policy

* Title VI funding for the study of Urdu

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2011 01:39

Odd. To study foreign/public policy in India or TSP one doesn't need the language studies. Its all in English!

Could be a Wendy's child.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Apr 2011 01:40

habal wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:OT - How is that series with TSP in TSP would make more money than a series with Oz or SA ?
I doubt if BCCI loses money in any series even if against Timbaktoo in Antartica.
I have a faint suspiscion that BCCI, ICC, TSPA & some political bigwigs take cuts from betting market. That is why Pakistan is an 'exciting' team for a few.

enough of conspiracy theories without proof. user warned.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2011 01:46

A_Gupta wrote:CRamS,
http://home.comcast.net/~christine_fair ... es/cv.html

Not a Fox news bimbo.

All those quals mean didly squat to me; even a Nobel-prize winning scientist who invented transistor (can't remember his name) said blacks are inherently inferior to whites and hence should discourage them from pro-creating. Likewise, she said SDRE-domintaed India should forget 26/11 becasue white Christian dominated US has to underatake their God's mssion of confronting so called "Al Queda". Someone like that is a glorified version of a Fox news bimbo to me. But as I said, even bimbos provide some value sometimes: she might reveal tit-bits of what Leon Panetta is up to visa vi LeT.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 15 Apr 2011 01:51

A_Gupta wrote:CRamS,
http://home.comcast.net/~christine_fair ... es/cv.html

Not a Fox news bimbo.

Can read and speak Urdu, Punjabi and Hindi. Elementary conversational capabilities in Persian/Dari.

PhD, 2004, M.A., 1997: University of Chicago, Department of South Asian Languages and Civilizations

* American Institute for Iranian Studies grant to conduct research and language studies in Iran,2001
* USIA/NMERTA scholarship to learn Urdu in Lahore, Pakistan, 1995-1996
* Title VI scholarship to study Punjabi in Lahore, Pakistan, 1996
* Title VI scholarship to study Punjabi at the University of California, Berkeley, 1995
* Title VI graduate scholarships to study Hindi and Urdu, 1993-1997
* Departmental scholarship to study Hindi in Uttar Pradesh, India, 1994

M.A., 1997, University of Chicago, Harris School of Public Policy

* Title VI funding for the study of Urdu

^^^Oh no no no.... Nobody should make the mistake of dismissing motorhama Christine Fair as being a bimbo. That she is definitely not. What she is, is an unapologetic Genocide Denier - you can call it realpolitik/looking after US interests/whatever. The airy way how she dismissed the deaths of 166 people (except the 5-7 Americans) shows that for her a few 1000 Indians killed is much less of a concern than saving US's investment of a few million dollars in Pakistan. Notice how she keep harping on "more important things to discuss", "whatever be the truth, it doesn't matter", "we have invested 17 billion $ in Pakistan onlee" and best of all you know somebody is blowing hot air out of their arse when for a simple straightforward question, they respond by saying "it is more complex than you think and you are simplifying it."

I think Arnab Goswami did the right thing in inviting her to the show and should keep inviting people like her - she is the candid face of American foreign policy. Right now she is immature enough to blurt out what is on her mind hence, this is the best time to cultivate her and give her face time before she learns the ropes are starting mouthing the usual state department type BS. That will be the only way to rid the general Indian public of the notion that USA or anybody else will look after India's interests and even give a Flying-F**k about Indian lives and hence, it is the duty of Indians to aggressively push forward and protect India's interests come hell or high water.

CRS, you mean William Shockley - yes he was a believer in Eugenics.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 15 Apr 2011 02:10

All this insane madness I think is the result of SDREness and nothing more. The SDRE simply has no heart to stand up to injustice anywhere. Even if Paks Nuke India...the meek SDRE will search for thousand reasons to avoid a retaliation.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 15 Apr 2011 02:14

^^^

Except on the cricket field

Sorry for going OT

Charlie wrote:All this insane madness I think is the result of SDREness and nothing more. The SDRE simply has no heart to stand up to injustice anywhere. Even if Paks Nuke India...the meek SDRE will search for thousand reasons to avoid a retaliation.

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 15 Apr 2011 02:14

Sushupti wrote:http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking.

According to Sushant Sarin a former ISI chief said "Indians will kick if you lick them, they will lick if you kick them"

According to Arnab, India issued 6500 Visas for the cricket match

. (there is no clarity in media about the exact number of anumals that we let in..this laxity in GOI/media/BCCI and all parties involved even after 26/11 is puke worthy )

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 15 Apr 2011 02:33

^ Yes that was Javed Nassir. He was the man behind 1993 blasts in Mumbai. Sarin also said that Gilani went back from India and said MMS is desperate to make peace, give Siachen , Sir Creek on a platter and stuff. Any news/ links on that?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 15 Apr 2011 02:45

And also no point in going after MMS. What we should lament is the fact that there have been no protestations from any corner be it politicians/civil society/Army/media. May be its the cultural thing. Only hope from all this is Pakis get bored of killing Indians and just get off our case.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2011 02:49

Charlie wrote:All this insane madness I think is the result of SDREness and nothing more. The SDRE simply has no heart to stand up to injustice anywhere. Even if Paks Nuke India...the meek SDRE will search for thousand reasons to avoid a retaliation.

Except agianst another SDRE. For example, I have seen SDREs like stangled chickens endure horrendous hardships at US airports meted out to them from US personnel, but the moment plane lands in Delhi, their machismo shows despite the fawning treatment they get from the SDRE personnel. So the ISI chief is probably 400% right.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2011 03:13

ArnabG showed his immautiry on this latest show. Debating MMS's hare-brained decision to play cricket with TSP is an Indian internal issue, so the debate should have been between those who share MMS's decision and those who don't. Why invite useless Paki chutiyas who will come & repeat the same crap, and in any case, they are not going to say MMS's surrender is a bad idea. I think one of the Paki rightly slammed Arnab and said having decided to play, now stop daydreaming about declaring TSP a terrorists state. They are not because they are USA's all-lie onlee.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 15 Apr 2011 03:42

An employee of Pakistani Embassy, identified as Mehboob Asim, was injured as unidentified assailants opened fire at him in the Basundara area of National Capital Kathmandu in the morning of April 14 (today), reports Kantipuronline.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 15 Apr 2011 05:33

Two suspected French militants arrested in Pakistan

Authorities in Pakistan have arrested two French nationals of Pakistani origin for suspected links to al Qaeda-linked Islamist militants, local intelligence officials said Thursday.
The two men identified as Sharaf Din and Zohaib Afzal were arrested in the eastern city of Lahore about two months ago and were still in Pakistani custody, the officials said.

"They had planned to go to Waziristan for militant training and have links with the Pakistani Taliban," one intelligence official said, referring to the lawless Pakistani tribal region along the Afghan border.

Another intelligence official confirmed the arrest of the Frenchmen and said they were picked up from Lahore's international airport and during investigation revealed their plans to travel to Waziristan for training.

Reports of eight German militants killed in a suspected U.S. drone attack in North Waziristan in October deepened concern among Western governments that extremists in their countries might be travelling to Pakistan for training and planning attacks on Europe from the remote mountains.

A large number of foreign militants allied to al Qaeda and the Taliban fled to Pakistan after U.S.-led forces invaded Afghanistan following the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001.

Pakistan has arrested hundreds of al Qaeda and Taliban militants, and handed several of them to the United States.

Pakistani security forces arrested a man they believe to be Umar Patek, Indonesia's most wanted militant, after a shootout a few weeks ago and are waiting for Indonesian officials to identify him.

Baksheesh time now
‘France to help Pakistan for EU concessions’

KARACHI: Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani requested Secretary General of French Ministry of Foreign and European Affairs Pierre Sellal to support Pakistan case in the European Union (EU) for the tariff concession on the import of 75 Pakistani products mainly textile said Mirza Ikhtiar Baig. He said EU Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht told EU lawmakers we are very actively working on that to get a solution. An original EU plan unveiled in October said duty suspensions would affect about 900 million euros worth of Pakistani exports to the EU and estimated Pakistan could boost sales to the EU by 100 million euros. staff report

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 15 Apr 2011 05:41

WSJ editorial of tomorrow:

The Pakistan Ultimatum -- Much as after 9/11, Islamabad has to choose whose side it is on

So Pakistan now demands that the United States withdraw hundreds of American intelligence operatives and special-ops trainers from its soil and stop the CIA drone strikes on al Qaeda, Taliban and affiliated terrorists. Maybe the Obama Administration can inform its friends in Islamabad that, when it comes to this particular fight, the U.S. will continue to pursue its enemies wherever they may be, with or without Pakistan's cooperation.

Relations between Washington and Islamabad historically have never been easy, and now they seem to have reached something of a watershed. The fault is not all one-sided. Congressional potentates have made a habit of criticizing Pakistan publicly even when it was cooperating with the U.S. and deploying thousands of troops to fight elements of the Taliban. And promised American aid has been haltingly disbursed.

Then again, Pakistan's behavior hasn't exactly been exemplary. Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, has longstanding links to terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Haqqani network. The government and military have made no move against the Quetta Shura, the operational nerve center in Pakistan of Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

Islamabad's U.S. cooperation has also been double-edged. The government of President Asif Ali Zardari allowed the U.S. to increase the number of drone strikes. Yet it has made a point of complaining about them publicly, playing a particularly cheap form of politics to shore up its waning popularity with a domestic constituency smart enough to see through the hypocrisy.

The Pakistani army was also happy to cooperate with the U.S. when the targets of the strikes were members of the Pakistani Taliban who had their sights set on Islamabad. But the army has been less cooperative when the targets were the Afghan Taliban based in Pakistan or the ISI's terrorist partners.

Matters came to a head in January with Pakistan's arrest of CIA contractor Raymond Davis, after he had shot and killed two armed pursuers. Mr. Davis, who carried an official passport, ought to have been released immediately to U.S. custody under the terms of the Vienna Convention. Instead he was held for 47 days, questioned for 14, and released only after the U.S. government agreed to pay a multimillion-dollar indemnity to the families of the pursuers.

The failure to release Mr. Davis was an indication of how easily cowed Pakistan's civilian government has become in the face of an anti-American public. It also suggested a darker turn by Pakistan's military and the ISI, which were infuriated that Mr. Davis was investigating the activities of the Lashkar-e-Taiba now that it has expanded operations to include terrorism in Afghanistan. Pakistan has also complained bitterly about a drone strike in North Waziristan last month that it claims killed tribal leaders meeting with the Taliban.

A more charitable explanation is that Pakistan's military is angry the CIA is sharing less intelligence with the ISI. In this reading, the mass expulsion of U.S. security officials is really a demand for closer cooperation, even if it's a peculiar way of eliciting it. It's also possible that Pakistan army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is trying to burnish his own public image by way of an anti-American tantrum that will pass in time.

Still, if the CIA doesn't trust the ISI, that's because it has demonstrated repeatedly that it isn't trustworthy. The Pakistani army has yet to reconcile itself to the idea that Afghanistan should be something other than its strategic backyard, preferably under the control of clients such as the Taliban, and it harbors paranoid illusions that India will encroach on Afghanistan to encircle its old enemy.

Pakistan's civilian government has also done itself neither credit nor favor by failing to tell Pakistan's people the truth about drone strikes, which is that they strike with pinpoint accuracy and that claims of civilian casualties are massively inflated for the benefit of Taliban propaganda. The government could also add that insofar as those drones are taking out leaders of the Pakistan Taliban, they are safeguarding Pakistan's beleaguered democracy.

However Islamabad chooses to act, the U.S. has a vital national interest in pursuing Taliban and al Qaeda leaders in their Pakistani sanctuaries, both for the sake of the war in Afghanistan and the security of the American homeland. Pakistan can choose to cooperate in that fight and reap the benefits of an American alliance. Or it can oppose the U.S. and reap the consequences, including the loss of military aid, special-ops and drone incursions into their frontier areas, and in particular a more robust U.S. military alliance with India.

In the wake of 9/11, the Bush Administration famously sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to Islamabad to explain that the U.S. was going to act forcefully to protect itself, and that Pakistan had to choose whose side it was on. It's time to present Pakistan with the same choice again.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Apr 2011 06:26

The riddle of Pakistan

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2 ... f_pakistan

Anatol Lieven, author of Pakistan: A Hard Country

http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/po ... rd_country

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 15 Apr 2011 06:36

Sushupti wrote:http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking.

These are extraordinarily delicate times. As far as India is concerned there are two civilizational mega-trends to address:

(1) handling the people who took up a new identity in the wake of invasions beginning around 1000 AD, and were given a nation of their own by the British, and
(2) dealing with the push towards a unipolar world order

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Apr 2011 06:39

shiv wrote:
ManuT wrote:Christine Fair makes the point that Dr Shiv has been making
Sheeet! I'll have to watch those videos now. I was hoping to pick up everything there was to know by reading comments on here.

OK - I watched the 3 videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ksOi5rRno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP2cTwQRpy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wowLj14beCY

In my view - the show was the usual hot air that is often blown on TV shows here. I felt a little sorry for Christine Fair - perhaps she has been overworked or is too sincere in trying to tell it like it is and is unable to use the slimy douchebag language that is used to answer difficult questions.

She could well have said:

"Well we understand India's concerns and we are in constant touch with the governments of India and Pakistan on all these issues and I am sure that the way forward is by dialog and an exchange of views on the interests of every country involved and, let me tell you at this stage that this is important to the whole world. The US is a superpower that takes India, an aspiring superpower very very seriously and we both know that we have concerns with Pakistan. Let me reassure you that Washington is deeply concerned about its relationship with Pakistan and the difficulties that the entire region faces over a great number of issues including those of terrorism, poverty and natural disasters"

That would have been par for the course.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Apr 2011 06:42

Chandragupta wrote:
Sushupti wrote:http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking.
He ripped them a new one. He reads BRF 200%.

I would be worried if BRF was the only source of such thinking. However if the thinking has spread far beyond BRF - I would be happy. I think it is the latter.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Apr 2011 07:03

shiv wrote:

She could well have said:

"Well we understand India's concerns and we are in constant touch with the governments of India and Pakistan on all these issues and I am sure that the way forward is by dialog and an exchange of views on the interests of every country involved and, let me tell you at this stage that this is important to the whole world. The US is a superpower that takes India, an aspiring superpower very very seriously and we both know that we have concerns with Pakistan. Let me reassure you that Washington is deeply concerned about its relationship with Pakistan and the difficulties that the entire region faces over a great number of issues including those of terrorism, poverty and natural disasters"

That would have been par for the course.

Exactly. There was also the point she made that the US State Department is stonewalling on doing what the Kerry-Lugar bill - which is US law - what the Kerry-Lugar bill requires - which is to make an assessment of whether Pakistan is making sufficient effort against the LeT; and they aren't doing it because they won't be able to so certify.

This last is not a "personal opinion" of the speaker meant to demean Indian concerns, it is a statement of an observation of what's going on. This, to my hearing, was the "much bigger thing" than Pasha visiting DC.

The question I think is - do you want soothing words, or do you want the undiplomatic truth? It seems to me that a lot of people want soothing words only.

Arnab Goswami got the point at the very end. After noting that the Americans have their geostrategic compulsions to keep quiet, he asks - "What are the geostrategic reasons that we (India) remain quiet on this?"

I doubt he or anyone can point to any. Which is why there is the high level of frustration with PM Manmohan Singh.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Apr 2011 07:17

CRamS wrote

But they all mention LeT, as per what US inter agency insiders tell them, that LeT has connections to "Al Queda" and hence of interest to USA, and not because LeT is the most loathsome, fearsome, savage Pak-sponsored terrorist group in world and arrayed against India.

It has been exceedingly clear for several years and $19 billion later that the US is not going to pull chestnuts out of the fire for India.

But I wonder why it is so offensive when an American academic says that truth without dancing around and without weasel words - that for America, American geostrategic compulsions outweigh the fact that "LeT is the most loathsome, fearsome, savage Pak-sponsored terrorist group in world and arrayed against India".

Is it that there is no Santa Claus, or at least Uncle Sam is not him, that is so disappointing?

Or is it that y'all will have to concede Shiv's point about the US from a few weeks ago?

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 15 Apr 2011 07:36

One should realize that US-born India/Pakistan experts in the USA do not represent the best and the brightest. The cream of the crop specialized in Russian Studies until the 90's and now seem to be drawing toward learning Manadarin and specializing in Chinese studies. Anyone reading Uneven Cohen's books would realize that he wasn't the brightest bulb in US strategic community. In fact, there was another Stephen Cohen who was/is much better known as an expert on Russia in Washington, DC.
Remember, Ms. Fair is still just an Assistant Professor, after all these years. Maybe it is her lack of tact rather than her capability that could have caused this.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Apr 2011 07:46

Chandragupta wrote:
Sushupti wrote:http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking.
He ripped them a new one. He reads BRF 200%.

an IDSA pakistan analyst hardly needs BR to tell him the truth.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Apr 2011 08:01

A_Gupta wrote:But I wonder why it is so offensive when an American academic says that truth without dancing around and without weasel words - that for America, American geostrategic compulsions outweigh the fact that "LeT is the most loathsome, fearsome, savage Pak-sponsored terrorist group in world and arrayed against India".

Is it that there is no Santa Claus, or at least Uncle Sam is not him, that is so disappointing?

Boss, you are a brilliant IIT stalwart whom anybody ought to respect, and I would have expected that you of all people should know better that the above is NOT what I meant.

There is a difference between real-politick and wilful criminal intent. What you are conveying above is that I am lamenting US practicing the art of real politick with India using TSP. If so, that would indeed be silly and naive of me to expect US be a Santa Claus to India.

What I chastizing US which their lap dogs like Fair who are championing is wilful criminal intent. Anybody with a room temperature IQ among the US elite, least of all the brilliant CIA/Pentagon strategists, know that terror against India is TSP's only elixir for sustenance, and they sure as hell know that the F-solas they are gifting them is used a hedge against any Indian retaliation to TSP's pigLeT provocation (that us SDREs have no b@lls to do so is another matter). This deliberate policy makes US a wilful collaborator with TSP in thier crimes against India.

To give more clarity to what I am saying, another example. India's diplomatic posture in not supporting US policy towards Iran (or at least not all of it) is classic real-politick. But if India were giving Brahmos missiles to Iran which they then pass on to to their Hezbollah proxies to be used in their war against Israel and US will be viewed as nothing short of Indian state sponsored terror by US.

Do you get it?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Apr 2011 08:05

Rahul M wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:quote="Sushupti"http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Bad-timin ... 370353.cms

Sushant Sarin quite fired up. Feel like someone from BRF is speaking./quote

He ripped them a new one. He reads BRF 200%.
an IDSA pakistan analyst hardly needs BR to tell him the truth.

Absolutely. Sushant Sareen is an old hand and has a book to his credit on Pakistan and terrorism. In fact, we learn from him.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Apr 2011 08:13

CRamS wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:But I wonder why it is so offensive when an American academic says that truth without dancing around and without weasel words - that for America, American geostrategic compulsions outweigh the fact that "LeT is the most loathsome, fearsome, savage Pak-sponsored terrorist group in world and arrayed against India".

Is it that there is no Santa Claus, or at least Uncle Sam is not him, that is so disappointing?

Boss, you are a brilliant IIT stalwart whom anybody ought to respect, and I would have expected that you of all people should know better that the above is NOT what I meant.

There is a difference between real-politick and wilful criminal intent. What you are conveying above is that I am lamenting US practicing the art of real politick with India using TSP. If so, that would indeed be silly and naive of me to expect US be a Santa Claus to India.

What I chastizing US which their lap dogs like Fair who are championing is wilful criminal intent. Anybody with a room temperature IQ among the US elite, least of all the brilliant CIA/Pentagon strategists, know that terror against India is TSP's only elixir for sustenance, and they sure as hell know that the F-solas they are gifting them is used a hedge against any Indian retaliation to TSP's pigLeT provocation (that us SDREs have no b@lls to do so is another matter). This deliberate policy makes US a wilful collaborator with TSP in thier crimes against India.

To give more clarity to what I am saying, another example. India's diplomatic posture in not supporting US policy towards Iran (or at least not all of it) is classic real-politick. But if India were giving Brahmos missiles to Iran which they then pass on to to their Hezbollah proxies to be used in their war against Israel and US will be viewed as nothing short of Indian state sponsored terror by US.

Do you get it?

You've expressed yourself better above than before.

PS: Is China a wilful collaborator, too?

saip · Post by **saip** » 15 Apr 2011 08:27

May be a letter to Daily Crimes is in order from Subramanyam Shridharan? (Pl Chk letters section in DT)

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 15 Apr 2011 08:36

shiv wrote: In my view - the show was the usual hot air that is often blown on TV shows here. I felt a little sorry for Christine Fair - perhaps she has been overworked or is too sincere in trying to tell it like it is and is unable to use the slimy douchebag language that is used to answer difficult questions.

Thats why I think she should be invited to the Indian news channels in the future coz only such blunt language has any hope of hammering the harsh truth into us SDREs' heads.

Now that being said, neither should we be understanding on the position and compulsions she is articulating. It doesn't matter if it is reasonable from massa's point of view - if it is not reasonable from India's point of view, it should get hammered period. I think Arnab Goswami got that point right when he said "These are America's compulsions, not ours" but he didn't get a chance to follow thru on it. Massa ofcourse expects us to bend to cater to their interests. The problem is that GoI is all accommodating and understanding and instead needs to be hard-headed and focused on India's interests. Taking one for the team/international community/world piss is for fools and faggots.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 15 Apr 2011 08:39

pak role in fake indian notes
So now what? This is clearly to help paki terrorist in India.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 15 Apr 2011 09:22

A_Gupta wrote:1. I dunno why an American strategist should be expected to have any but a pro-American interest stance. Perhaps BRFers are spoiled by desi strategists who apologize for the US?

2. C. Christine Fair is the newer generation of scholars following India. So far more insightful and more honest than the old school.

Shiv, the C.C. Fair points in the Times Now are that 26/11 is hardly the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world (the hyperbole/hyperventilate part); that to have an adult conversation, the TV show should not be like Fox News; that the US is perfectly aware of Pakistani involvement in terrorism, given that the US is in Afghanistan, the success of that mission takes priority over everything else, and so whatever the US may know about Pakistan's attacks on India, it is not going to antagonize Pakistan over them, because the supply lines to Afghanistan are too vital to disrupt.

Timesnow and its alleged hysteria are also part of the game. By influencing public opinion they open up a space for India to pursue its own interests regardless of American compulsions. AG pointed out exactly that India needs to do its own thing while understanding US limitations. Did you miss that part?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Apr 2011 09:36

Raja Bose wrote:I think Arnab Goswami got that point right when he said "These are America's compulsions, not ours" but he didn't get a chance to follow thru on it. Massa ofcourse expects us to bend to cater to their interests.

Absolutely and if it were not for some informed interference by the likes of Arnab the Indian public too would lap up the sob story being told by Ms Fair.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 15 Apr 2011 09:41

ravi_ku wrote:Sirjee,

lets not take ANY credit for him, when we dont even know how much BR is due, if at all.

Not till arundhati roy writes 5000000 words denouncing BRF

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 15 Apr 2011 10:08

abhijitm wrote:pak role in fake indian notes
So now what? This is clearly to help paki terrorist in India.

There may be some level of GoI involvement in this too. All the cash distributed to voters with the morning newspapers has to come from somewhere. Since they can't use the government presses to make notes (India imports the paper), using the FICN would be the next logical move.

Cash for votes in South India

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 15 Apr 2011 10:11

Iran to build fence at Pakistan border!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/174806.html
Iran's Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi says the country is rapidly constructing a fence on its border with Pakistan.
“Barrier and road construction along the border [with Pakistan] is being carried out in the impenetrable mountainous terrain [in southeastern Iran] with precision and quality,” Vahidi was quoted by IRNA as saying on Thursday.