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Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 01 Apr 2014 06:17
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 01 Apr 2014 09:41
by member_19686
Conclusions
The US Census Bureau has, for some time, published projections of the racial
composition of the American population to 2050, which show that a majority of
Americans will be non-‘white’ by 2050.9
This so-called ‘browning of America’ has
entered the public lexicon, but we have no similar awareness of what is happening
with religion because of the lack of a census question on the subject. This study
provides the first ever cohort-component projection of the main religious groups in
the United States. It is based on the General Social Survey, census immigration
statistics and Pew small religious group data and projects the size of religious groups
to 2043. We find that Hispanic Catholics experience the strongest growth rates.
Immigration, high fertility and a young age structure will enable this group to expand
from 10 to 18 percent of the American population between 2003 and 2043, despite a
net loss of communicants to other groups. This will power the growth of Catholics as
a whole, and they will surpass Protestants by mid-century if losses from conversion
are stanched or immigration doubles. In any event, Catholics will outnumber
Protestants within the youngest age cohorts by 2043. This represents a historic
moment for a country settled by anti-Catholic Puritans, whose Revolution was
motivated in part by a desire to spread dissenting Protestantism and whose population
on the eve of revolution was 98 percent Protestant. Another important development
concerns the growth of the Muslim population and decline of the Jews. High Muslim
fertility and a young Muslim age structure contrast with low Jewish childbearing
levels and a mature Jewish age structure. However, migration is the most important
factor in Muslim growth in the coming decades. Therefore, barring an unforeseen
shift in the religious composition and size of the immigrant flow, Muslims will surpass Jews in the population by 2023 and the electorate by 2028. Only an
improbable shift in immigration policy or in fertility patterns could forestall this
demographic shift, which could have profound effects on the course of American
foreign policy. Within the non-Hispanic white population, we expect to see continued
Liberal Protestant decline due to low fertility and a net deficit in exchanges with other
groups. White Catholics are also projected to lose due to a net outflow of converts.
Fundamentalist and Moderate Protestant denominations will hold their own within the
white population, but are set to decline as a component of the national total.

- Secularism or Catholicism? The Religious Composition of the United States to 2043 by Vegard Skirbekk, Anne Goujon, and Eric Kaufmann

http://www.oeaw.ac.at/vid/download/WP2008_04.pdf

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 01 Apr 2014 14:07
by Paul
The whites will not stand for it.

Watch for the US splitting apart with the Montana-Wyoming-Utah regions forming the nucleus of the new rump state.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 01 Apr 2014 21:12
by Rony
Paul wrote:The whites will not stand for it.

Watch for the US splitting apart with the Montana-Wyoming-Utah regions forming the nucleus of the new rump state.
If "white" means WASP, then mormon Utah is not white

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 01 Apr 2014 22:11
by A_Gupta
Maybe this is more about Fox News than about the US:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/0 ... d-is-Black
A 17-year old high school senior has been accepted to every Ivy League school he applied--8 and counting. He scored in the 99th percentile on his SATs. He's wicked smart.

He is also a first generation African-American from Ghana.

Every other outlet, such as HuffPo, or USAtoday, or abcnews or any other one out there mentions his accomplishment but also says his family immigrated from Ghana, that he is African-American, and/or includes a picture of him.

Except Fox.
....
....
They covered the story, I'm sure, to not be accused of failing to cover a very popular, positive story on a black kid, but at the same time, did what they could to hide the fact that he is black from their typical audience.

If you watch Faux news at all, you know they have a narrative about young, black African-Americans: They have a proclivity to violence and white people should fear them.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 01 Apr 2014 22:34
by ramana
On the contrary the others, by emphaisising his Ghanaian origins, are also drawing a contrast.
Faux racism is only skin deep.
Others one has to do root canal.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 02 Apr 2014 03:31
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 02 Apr 2014 08:49
by Philip
‘US looking for a major enemy to justify its defense spending'
Published time: March 31, 2014

http://rt.com/op-edge/us-defense-spendi ... ation-237/
As US spending on defense reaches $1 trillion a year and defense giants such as Boeing gain increased lobbying power, the US must justify this money by creating tangible enemies around the world, political analyst Patrick Hennigsen told RT.

RT: Why do some people in America say they were surprised at the speed Russia moved on Crimea?

Patrick Hennigsen: Personally I tend to be skeptical about press briefings or PR balloons coming out of Washington, especially around a crisis like this. Unless of course they were completely asleep at the wheel, or were totally incompetent, I find it hard to believe that they couldn’t have predicted at least a Crimea referendum result because of the crisis in Kiev.

So, even I in February said that Ukraine may be partitioned into two or three parts as a result of this crisis. But experienced intelligence analysts in the State Department or the CIA would have war-gamed five or six different possibilities, or any reaction as a result of an action taken with regime change in Kiev.

So it’s quite unbelievable that this would have quote, unquote, taken them by surprise. But this suits the priorities of the Pentagon in Washington, being able to talk up military confrontation in order to increase spending on defense organizations, to increase contracts which are going to be reviewed this year with the Pentagon and other defense organizations.

So it doesn’t surprise me. Even though they’ve made this statement, it’s quite disingenuous in my opinion.

RT: Has the US administration miscalculated? What and who are influencing America’s foreign policy with regard to Russia?

PH: I think throughout recent history, at least if not the whole of the last 30 to 40 years, the United States will never admit that it’s made a mistake or that any of the policies that it instituted have had a negative effect on the world. So that doesn’t surprise me, but certainly there are a lot of opportunists who stand to gain incredibly financially as a result of the crisis, a confrontation, a reigniting of the Cold War with Russia.

Currently the new United States is looking for an enemy, a major enemy, which they need to justify upwards of $1 trillion a year in total if you look at it in defense spending. And these are contracts that belong to corporations that are very powerful, as lobbies in Washington DC they hold incredible influence over political leadership, that is the system right now in the United States and Washington DC and so it shouldn’t surprise anybody that the opportunists are now jumping on board in the media and the corporate lobbies that really determine the agendas, the foreign policy agendas that are laid out by our political leadership in Washington DC.

People attend celebrations on the main square of the Crimean city of Simferopol March 21, 2014. (Reuters)
‘Decision to join Russia was a no-brainer for Crimea’

RT: Why do you think Crimean people voted in such large numbers to become part of Russia?

PH: Well, if you put aside general anti-Russian propaganda that is running rife right now regarding Russia being a “corrupt country,” a “dictatorship,” you look at the international organizations that have been monitoring elections in Russia and have commented on how transparent they are, how well organized they are. From a Crimean population’s stand point it’s a no-brainer. If you put yourself in their position you’re looking north and you’re seeing the total destabilization and the collapse of rule, the collapse of government. A complete economic collapse in Ukraine as a result of what happened in Kiev. So hence you have a huge voter turnout, an incredible landside of a majority.

And any person in the world would make a similar decision. If Northern Ireland had to make a decision because the government in London collapsed, neo-fascists took over at gunpoint in London, and people of Northern Ireland could have a referendum, of course they would join the south; they would join the Republic of Ireland for their own personal stability, for their own safety. So it’s not that big of a stretch when you look at it from a larger perspective.

RT: How can the fact be explained that the transition of the military in Crimea went so smooth? As you know, just a few Crimean soldiers decided to return to Kiev, while others joined the Russian army.

PH: The transition militarily in Crimea shouldn’t surprise anybody, because between the Ukraine and Russia you have over two decades of cooperation, military cooperation from the top brass, down to the soldiers who were doing drills together and maneuvers together for 20 years and even further back when you count the time of the Soviet Union. So Russia’s military presence goes back centuries in the Crimea. So when you look at it from that perspective, it shouldn’t surprise anybody that there would be a relatively smooth transition. I can’t believe any Ukrainian soldiers have any desire, nor do any Russian soldiers, to be firing at each other. Especially as they’ve had such a close and friendly and cooperative relationship in recent decades.

People celebrate the ceremonial change of time on the railway square in the Crimean city of Simferopol March 30, 2014. (Reuters)

People celebrate the ceremonial change of time on the railway square in the Crimean city of Simferopol March 30, 2014. (Reuters)
‘US leadership has little respect for Iraq’

RT: Why did Obama compare Iraq to Crimea? Could those two cases actually be compared?

PH: Those comments by President Obama are very sad comments in respect to the Iraqi people. I think comments like that really demonstrate how little respect to the US leadership really has for the country of Iraq and for its people and they seem to forget the huge price that the Iraqi people paid in blood, paid in culture, paid economically for the designs of a handful of US transnational corporations and the Pentagon.

So to make such a statement, such an unequivocal statement, that has no basis really in reality. You can’t compare Iraq and the Crimea. How many Iraqis died since the first Gulf War? Two million, by some people’s estimations. To make that sort of comparison to me is intellectually sloppy and also very disrespectful to all the people who have paid the ultimate price for US foreign policy objectives in the Middle East.

RT: What do you think were Moscow’s aims in Crimea?

PH: I think in terms of Russian diplomacy regarding the Crimea, what you’re really talking about is the government in Moscow’s diplomacy and communication and relationship with the people of the Crimea. I don’t think it should surprise anybody if you look at the history of that part of the world, even Mikhail Gorbachev, who is considered by many in the West as a globalist, as an internationalist, said that the referendum in the Crimea corrected an old mistake, which was made under Nikita Khrushchev in the Soviet Union era. And that has been corrected that Crimea really should be a part of Russia and the people cast their ballots and they spoke quite loudly in fact and the result is in.

You have many other international commentators that would agree. The fact that the UN has not voted to recognize the result in terms of other opinion of UN countries is really disappointing. What the people themselves in that country have said and the argument in the West is that it’s in breach of the Ukrainian constitution. Frankly, the Ukrainian constitution ceases to exist the minute the government in Kiev was taken over at gunpoint, so all bets are off at that point. So it’s quite a disingenuous argument by the West to say that the referendum in the Crimea is in breach of the Ukrainian constitution, considering what happened in Kiev only weeks before.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 03 Apr 2014 11:36
by pankajs
The Associated Press ‏@AP 6m

AP Investigation: US secretly funded social media network in Cuba to stir political unrest

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 03 Apr 2014 11:47
by Yogi_G
We are currently living through possibly the darkest period where the Germannic races powers can do whatever they want at will and manipulate the media machine they own to make it look benign. Until Russia revives, China and India stand up it will be a dark period for the world with a single rogue state calling the shots.

I doubt we can thoroughly understand the US without understanding the fondness of violence or violent sport of the Germannic races.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 03 Apr 2014 12:13
by pankajs
The details of the US's Cuban political unrest plans. A mass civil disorder and regime change program run by USAID. Apologies for the Very long post.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... WASHINGTONIn July 2010, Joe McSpedon, a U.S. government official, flew to Barcelona to put the final touches on a secret plan to build a social media project aimed at undermining Cuba’s communist government.

McSpedon and his team of high-tech contractors had come in from Costa Rica and Nicaragua, Washington and Denver. Their mission: to launch a messaging network that could reach hundreds of thousands of Cubans. To hide the network from the Cuban government, they would set up a byzantine system of front companies using a Cayman Islands bank account, and recruit unsuspecting executives who would not be told of the company’s ties to the U.S. government.

McSpedon didn’t work for the CIA. This was a program paid for and run by the U.S. Agency for International Development, best known for overseeing billions of dollars in U.S. humanitarian aid.

According to documents obtained by The Associated Press and multiple interviews with people involved in the project, the plan was to develop a bare-bones “Cuban Twitter,” using cellphone text messaging to evade Cuba’s strict control of information and its stranglehold restrictions over the Internet. In a play on Twitter, it was called ZunZuneo — slang for a Cuban hummingbird’s tweet.

Documents show the U.S. government planned to build a subscriber base through “non-controversial content”: news messages on soccer, music, and hurricane updates. Later when the network reached a critical mass of subscribers, perhaps hundreds of thousands, operators would introduce political content aimed at inspiring Cubans to organize “smart mobs” — mass gatherings called at a moment’s notice that might trigger a Cuban Spring, or, as one USAID document put it, “renegotiate the balance of power between the state and society.”

At its peak, the project drew in more than 40,000 Cubans to share news and exchange opinions. But its subscribers were never aware it was created by the U.S. government, or that American contractors were gathering their private data in the hope that it might be used for political purposes.

“There will be absolutely no mention of United States government involvement,” according to a 2010 memo from Mobile Accord, one of the project’s contractors. “This is absolutely crucial for the long-term success of the service and to ensure the success of the Mission.”

The program’s legality is unclear: U.S. law requires that any covert action by a federal agency must have a presidential authorization. Officials at USAID would not say who had approved the program or whether the White House was aware of it. McSpedon, the most senior official named in the documents obtained by the AP, is a mid-level manager who declined to comment.

USAID spokesman Matt Herrick said the agency is proud of its Cuba programs and noted that congressional investigators reviewed them last year and found them to be consistent with U.S. law.

“USAID is a development agency, not an intelligence agency, and we work all over the world to help people exercise their fundamental rights and freedoms, and give them access to tools to improve their lives and connect with the outside world,” he said.

“In the implementation,” he added, “has the government taken steps to be discreet in non-permissive environments? Of course. That’s how you protect the practitioners and the public. In hostile environments, we often take steps to protect the partners we’re working with on the ground. This is not unique to Cuba.”

But the ZunZuneo program muddies those claims, a sensitive issue for its mission to promote democracy and deliver aid to the world’s poor and vulnerable — which requires the trust of foreign governments.

“On the face of it there are several aspects about this that are troubling,” said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. and chairman of the Appropriations Committee’s State Department and foreign operations subcommittee.

“There is the risk to young, unsuspecting Cuban cellphone users who had no idea this was a U.S. government-funded activity. There is the clandestine nature of the program that was not disclosed to the appropriations subcommittee with oversight responsibility. And there is the disturbing fact that it apparently activated shortly after Alan Gross, a USAID subcontractor who was sent to Cuba to help provide citizens access to the Internet, was arrested.”

The Associated Press obtained more than 1,000 pages of documents about the project’s development. The AP independently verified the project’s scope and details in the documents — such as federal contract numbers and names of job candidates — through publicly available databases, government sources and interviews with those directly involved in ZunZuneo.

Taken together, they tell the story of how agents of the U.S. government, working in deep secrecy, became tech entrepreneurs — in Cuba. And it all began with a half a million cellphone numbers obtained from a communist government.

___

ZunZuneo would seem to be a throwback from the Cold War, and the decades-long struggle between the United States and Cuba. It came at a time when the historically sour relationship between the countries had improved, at least marginally, and Cuba had made tentative steps toward a more market-based economy.

It is unclear whether the plan got its start with USAID or Creative Associates International, a Washington, D.C., for-profit company that has earned hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. contracts. But a “key contact” at Cubacel, the state-owned cellphone provider, slipped the phone numbers to a Cuban engineer living in Spain. The engineer provided the numbers to USAID and Creative Associates “free of charge,” documents show.

In mid-2009, Noy Villalobos, a manager with Creative Associates who had worked with USAID in the 1990s on a program to eradicate drug crops, started an IM chat with her little brother in Nicaragua, according to a Creative Associates email that captured the conversation. Mario Bernheim, in his mid-20s, was an up-and-coming techie who had made a name for himself as a computer whiz.

“This is very confidential of course,” Villalobos cautioned her brother. But what could you do if you had all the cellphone numbers of a particular country? Could you send bulk text messages without the government knowing?

“Can you encrypt it or something?” she texted.

She was looking for a direct line to regular Cubans through text messaging. Most had precious little access to news from the outside world. The government viewed the Internet as an Achilles’ heel and controlled it accordingly. A communications minister had even referred to it as a “wild colt” that “should be tamed.”

Yet in the years since Fidel Castro handed over power to his brother Raul, Cuba had sought to jumpstart the long stagnant economy. Raul Castro began encouraging cellphone use, and hundreds of thousands of people were suddenly using mobile phones for the first time, though smartphones with access to the Internet remained restricted.

Cubans could text message, though at a high cost in a country where the average wage was a mere $20 a month.

Bernheim told his sister that he could figure out a way to send instant texts to hundreds of thousands of Cubans— for cheap. It could not be encrypted though, because that would be too complicated. They wouldn’t be able to hide the messages from the Cuban government, which owned Cubacel. But they could disguise who was sending the texts by constantly switching the countries the messages came from.

“We could rotate it from different countries?” Villalobos asked. “Say one message from Nica, another from Spain, another from Mexico”?

Bernheim could do that. “But I would need mirrors set up around the world, mirrors, meaning the same computer, running with the same platform, with the same phone.”

“No hay problema,” he signed off. No problem.

___

After the chat, Creative hired Bernheim as a subcontractor, reporting to his sister. (Villalobos and Bernheim would later confirm their involvement with the ZunZuneo project to AP, but decline further comment.) Bernheim, in turn, signed up the Cuban engineer who had gotten the phone list. The team figured out how to message the masses without detection, but their ambitions were bigger.

Creative Associates envisioned using the list to create a social networking system that would be called “Proyecto ZZ,” or “Project ZZ.” The service would start cautiously and be marketed chiefly to young Cubans, who USAID saw as the most open to political change.

“We should gradually increase the risk,” USAID proposed in a document. It advocated using “smart mobs” only in “critical/opportunistic situations and not at the detriment of our core platform-based network.”

USAID’s team of contractors and subcontractors built a companion Web site to its text service so Cubans could subscribe, give feedback and send their own text messages for free. They talked about how to make the Web site look like a real business. “Mock ad banners will give it the appearance of a commercial enterprise,” a proposal suggested.

In multiple documents, USAID staff pointed out that text messaging had mobilized smart mobs and political uprisings in Moldova and the Philippines, among others. In Iran, the USAID noted social media’s role following the disputed election of then President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in June 2009 — and saw it as an important foreign policy tool.

USAID documents say their strategic objective in Cuba was to “push it out of a stalemate through tactical and temporary initiatives, and get the transition process going again towards democratic change.” Democratic change in authoritarian Cuba meant breaking the Castros’ grip on power.


USAID divided Cuban society into five segments depending on loyalty to the government. On one side sat the “democratic movement,” called “still (largely) irrelevant,” and at the other end were the “hard-core system supporters,” dubbed “Talibanes” in a derogatory comparison to Afghan and Pakistani extremists.

A key question was how to move more people toward the democratic activist camp without detection. Bernheim assured the team that wouldn’t be a problem.

“The Cuban government, like other regimes committed to information control, currently lacks the capacity to effectively monitor and control such a service,” Bernheim wrote in a proposal for USAID marked “Sensitive Information.”

ZunZuneo would use the list of phone numbers to break Cuba’s Internet embargo and not only deliver information to Cubans but also let them interact with each other in a way the government could not control. Eventually it would build a system that would let Cubans send messages anonymously among themselves.

At a strategy meeting, the company discussed building “user volume as a cover ... for organization,” according to meeting notes. It also suggested that the “Landscape needs to be large enough to hide full opposition members who may sign up for service.”

In a play on the telecommunication minister’s quote, the team dubbed their network the “untamed colt.”

___

At first, the ZunZuneo team operated out of Central America. Bernheim, the techie brother, worked from Nicaragua’s capital, Managua, while McSpedon supervised Creative’s work on ZunZuneo from an office in San Jose, Costa Rica, though separate from the U.S. embassy. It was an unusual arrangement that raised eyebrows in Washington, according to U.S. officials.

McSpedon worked for USAID’s Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI), a division that was created after the fall of the Soviet Union to promote U.S. interests in quickly changing political environments — without the usual red tape.

In 2009, a report by congressional researchers warned that OTI’s work “often lends itself to political entanglements that may have diplomatic implications.” Staffers on oversight committees complained that USAID was running secret programs and would not provide details.

“We were told we couldn’t even be told in broad terms what was happening because ‘people will die,’” said Fulton Armstrong, who worked for the Senate Foreign Relations committee. Before that, he was the US intelligence community’s most senior analyst on Latin America, advising the Clinton White House.

The money that Creative Associates spent on ZunZuneo was publicly earmarked for an unspecified project in Pakistan, government data show. But there is no indication of where the funds were actually spent.

Tensions with Congress spiked just as the ZunZuneo project was gearing up in December 2009, when another USAID program ended in the arrest of the U.S. contractor, Alan Gross. Gross had traveled repeatedly to Cuba on a secret mission to expand Internet access using sensitive technology typically available only to governments, a mission first revealed in February 2012 by AP.

At some point, Armstrong says, the foreign relations committee became aware of OTI’s secret operations in Costa Rica. U.S. government officials acknowledged them privately to Armstrong, but USAID refused to provide operational details.

At an event in Washington, Armstrong says he confronted McSpedon, asking him if he was aware that by operating secret programs from a third country, it might appear like he worked for an intelligence agency.

McSpedon, through USAID, said the story is not true. He declined to comment otherwise.

___

On Sept. 20, 2009, thousands of Cubans gathered at Revolution Plaza in Havana for Colombian rocker Juanes’ ”Peace without Borders” concert. It was the largest public gathering in Cuba since the visit of Pope John Paul II in 1998. Under the watchful gaze of a giant sculpture of revolutionary icon Ernesto “Che” Guevara, the Miami-based Juanes promised music aimed at “turning hate into love.”

But for the ZunZuneo team, the concert was a perfect opportunity to test the political power of their budding social network. In the weeks before, Bernheim’s firm, using the phone list, sent out a half a million text messages in what it called “blasts,” to test what the Cuban government would do.

The team hired Alen Lauzan Falcon, a Havana-born satirical artist based in Chile, to write Cuban-style messages. Some were mildly political and comical, others more pointed. One asked respondents whether they thought two popular local music acts out of favor with the government should join the stage with Juanes. Some 100,000 people responded — not realizing the poll was used to gather critical intelligence.

Paula Cambronero, a researcher for Mobile Accord, began building a vast database about the Cuban subscribers, including gender, age, “receptiveness” and “political tendencies.” USAID believed the demographics on dissent could help it target its other Cuba programs and “maximize our possibilities to extend our reach.”

Cambronero concluded that the team had to be careful. “Messages with a humorous connotation should not contain a strong political tendency, so as not to create animosity in the recipients,” she wrote in a report.

Falcon, in an interview, said he was never told that he was composing messages for a U.S. government program, but he had no regrets about his involvement.

“They didn’t tell me anything, and if they had, I would have done it anyway,” he said. “In Cuba they don’t have freedom. While a government forces me to pay in order to visit my country, makes me ask permission, and limits my communications, I will be against it, whether it’s Fidel Castro, (Cuban exile leader) Jorge Mas Canosa or Gloria Estefan,” the Cuban American singer.

Carlos Sanchez Almeida, a lawyer specializing in European data protection law, said it appeared that the U.S. program violated Spanish privacy laws because the ZunZuneo team had illegally gathered personal data from the phone list and sent unsolicited emails using a Spanish platform. “The illegal release of information is a crime, and using information to create a list of people by political affiliation is totally prohibited by Spanish law,” Almeida said. It would violate a U.S-European data protection agreement, he said.

USAID saw evidence from server records that Havana had tried to trace the texts, to break into ZunZuneo’s servers, and had occasionally blocked messages. But USAID called the response “timid” and concluded that ZunZuneo would be viable — if its origins stayed secret.

Even though Cuba has one of the most sophisticated counter-intelligence operations in the world, the ZunZuneo team thought that as long as the message service looked benign, Cubacel would leave it alone.

Once the network had critical mass, Creative and USAID documents argued, it would be harder for the Cuban government to shut it down, both because of popular demand and because Cubacel would be addicted to the revenues from the text messages.

In February 2010, the company introduced Cubans to ZunZuneo and began marketing. Within six months, it had almost 25,000 subscribers, growing faster and drawing more attention than the USAID team could control.

___

Saimi Reyes Carmona was a journalism student at the University of Havana when she stumbled onto ZunZuneo. She was intrigued by the service’s novelty, and the price. The advertisement said “free messages” so she signed up using her nickname, Saimita.

At first, ZunZuneo was a very tiny platform, Reyes said during a recent interview in Havana, but one day she went to its Web site and saw its services had expanded.

“I began sending one message every day,” she said, the maximum allowed at the start. “I didn’t have practically any followers.” She was thrilled every time she got a new one.

And then ZunZuneo exploded in popularity.

“The whole world wanted in, and in a question of months I had 2,000 followers who I have no idea who they are, nor where they came from.”

She let her followers know the day of her birthday, and was surprised when she got some 15 personal messages. “This is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen!” she told her boyfriend, Ernesto Guerra Valdes, also a journalism student.

Before long, Reyes learned she had the second highest number of followers on the island, after a user called UCI, which the students figured was Havana’s University of Computer Sciences. Her boyfriend had 1,000. The two were amazed at the reach it gave them.

“It was such a marvelous thing,” Guerra said. “So noble.” He and Reyes tried to figure out who was behind ZunZuneo, since the technology to run it had to be expensive, but they found nothing. They were grateful though.

“We always found it strange, that generosity and kindness,” he said. ZunZuneo was “the fairy godmother of cellphones.”

___

By early 2010, Creative decided that ZunZuneo was so popular Bernheim’s company wasn’t sophisticated enough to build, in effect, “a scaled down version of Twitter.”

It turned to another young techie, James Eberhard, CEO of Denver-based Mobile Accord Inc. Eberhard had pioneered the use of text messaging for donations during disasters and had raised tens of millions of dollars after the January 2010 earthquake in Haiti.

Eberhard earned millions in his mid-20s when he sold a company that developed cellphone ring tones and games. His company’s Web site describes him as “a visionary within the global mobile community.”

In July, he flew to Barcelona to join McSpedon, Bernheim, and others to work out what they called a “below the radar strategy.”

“If it is discovered that the platform is, or ever was, backed by the United States government, not only do we risk the channel being shut down by Cubacel, but we risk the credibility of the platform as a source of reliable information, education, and empowerment in the eyes of the Cuban people,” Mobile Accord noted in a memo.

To cover their tracks, they decided to have a company based in the United Kingdom set up a corporation in Spain to run ZunZuneo. A separate company called MovilChat was created in the Cayman Islands, a well-known offshore tax haven, with an account at the island’s Bank of N.T. Butterfield & Son Ltd. to pay the bills.

A memo of the meeting in Barcelona says that the front companies would distance ZunZuneo from any U.S. ownership so that the “money trail will not trace back to America.”

But it wasn’t just the money they were worried about. They had to hide the origins of the texts, according to documents and interviews with team members.

Brad Blanken, the former chief operating officer of Mobile Accord, left the project early on, but noted that there were two main criteria for success.

“The biggest challenge with creating something like this is getting the phone numbers,” Blanken said. “And then the ability to spoof the network.”

The team of contractors set up servers in Spain and Ireland to process texts, contracting an independent Spanish company called Lleida.net to send the text messages back to Cuba, while stripping off identifying data.

Mobile Accord also sought intelligence from engineers at the Spanish telecommunications company Telefonica, which organizers said would “have knowledge of Cubacel’s network.”

“Understanding the security and monitoring protocols of Cubacel will be an invaluable asset to avoid unnecessary detection by the carrier,” one Mobile Accord memo read.

Officials at USAID realized however, that they could not conceal their involvement forever — unless they left the stage. The predicament was summarized bluntly when Eberhard was in Washington for a strategy session in early February 2011, where his company noted the “inherent contradiction” of giving Cubans a platform for communications uninfluenced by their government that was in fact financed by the U.S. government and influenced by its agenda.

They turned to Jack Dorsey, a co-founder of Twitter, to seek funding for the project. Documents show Dorsey met with Suzanne Hall, a State Department officer who worked on social media projects, and others. Dorsey declined to comment.

The State Department under then-Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton thought social media was an important tool in diplomacy. At a 2011 speech at George Washington University, Clinton said the U.S. helped people in “oppressive Internet environments get around filters.” In Tunisia, she said people used technology to “organize and share grievances, which, as we know, helped fuel a movement that led to revolutionary change.”

Ultimately, the solution was new management that could separate ZunZuneo from its U.S. origins and raise enough revenue for it to go “independent,” even as it kept its long-term strategy to bring about “democratic change.”

Eberhard led the recruitment efforts, a sensitive operation because he intended to keep the management of the Spanish company in the dark.

“The ZZ management team will have no knowledge of the true origin of the operation; as far as they know, the platform was established by Mobile Accord,” the memo said. “There should be zero doubt in management’s mind and no insecurities or concerns about United States Government involvement.”

The memo went on to say that the CEO’s clean conscience would be “particularly critical when dealing with Cubacel.” Sensitive to the high cost of text messages for average Cubans, ZunZuneo negotiated a bulk rate for texts at 4 cents a pop through a Spanish intermediary. Documents show there was hope that an earnest, clueless CEO might be able to persuade Cubacel to back the project.

Mobile Accord considered a dozen candidates from five countries to head the Spanish front company. One of them was Francoise de Valera, a CEO who was vacationing in Dubai when she was approached for an interview. She flew to Barcelona. At the luxury Mandarin Oriental Hotel, she met with Nim Patel, who at the time was Mobile Accord’s president. Eberhard had also flown in for the interviews. But she said she couldn’t get a straight answer about what they were looking for.

“They talked to me about instant messaging but nothing about Cuba, or the United States,” she told the AP in an interview from London.

“If I had been offered and accepted the role, I believe that sooner or later it would have become apparent to me that something wasn’t right,” she said.

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By early 2011, Creative Associates grew exasperated with Mobile Accord’s failure to make ZunZuneo self-sustaining and independent of the U.S. government. The operation had run into an unsolvable problem. USAID was paying tens of thousands of dollars in text messaging fees to Cuba’s communist telecommunications monopoly routed through a secret bank account and front companies. It was not a situation that it could either afford or justify — and if exposed it would be embarrassing, or worse.

In a searing evaluation, Creative Associates said Mobile Accord had ignored sustainability because “it has felt comfortable receiving USG financing to move the venture forward.”

Out of 60 points awarded for performance, Mobile Accord scored 34 points. Creative Associates complained that Mobile Accord’s understanding of the social mission of the project was weak, and gave it 3 out of 10 points for “commitment to our Program goals.”

Mobile Accord declined to comment on the program.

In increasingly impatient tones, Creative Associates pressed Mobile Accord to find new revenue that would pay the bills. Mobile Accord suggested selling targeted advertisements in Cuba, but even with projections of up to a million ZunZuneo subscribers, advertising in a state-run economy would amount to a pittance.

By March 2011, ZunZuneo had about 40,000 subscribers. To keep a lower profile, it abandoned previous hopes of reaching 200,000 and instead capped the number of subscribers at a lower number. It limited ZunZuneo’s text messages to less than one percent of the total in Cuba, so as to avoid the notice of Cuban authorities. Though one former ZunZuneo worker — who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about his work — said the Cubans were catching on and had tried to block the site.

___

Toward the middle of 2012, Cuban users began to complain that the service worked only sporadically. Then not at all.

ZunZuneo vanished as mysteriously as it appeared.

By June 2012, users who had access to Facebook and Twitter were wondering what had happened.

“Where can you pick up messages from ZunZuneo?” one woman asked on Facebook in November 2012. “Why aren’t I receiving them anymore?”

Users who went to ZunZuneo’s Web site were sent to a children’s Web site with a similar name.

Reyner Aguero, a 25-year-old blogger, said he and fellow students at Havana’s University of Computer Sciences tried to track it down. Someone had rerouted the Web site through DNS blocking, a censorship technique initially developed back in the 1990s. Intelligence officers later told the students that ZunZuneo was blacklisted, he said.

“ZunZuneo, like everything else they did not control, was a threat,” Aguero said. “Period.”

In incorrect Spanish, ZunZuneo posted a note on its Facebook page saying it was aware of problems accessing the Web site and that it was trying to resolve them.

“ ¡Que viva el ZunZuneo!” the message said. Long live ZunZuneo!

In February, when Saimi Reyes, and her boyfriend, Ernesto Guerra, learned the origins of ZunZuneo, they were stunned.

“How was I supposed to realize that?” Guerra asked. “It’s not like there was a sign saying ‘Welcome to ZunZuneo, brought to you by USAID.”

“Besides, there was nothing wrong. If I had started getting subversive messages or death threats or ‘Everyone into the streets,’” he laughed, “I would have said, ‘OK,’ there’s something fishy about this. But nothing like that happened.”

USAID says the program ended when the money ran out. The Cuban government declined to comment.

The former web domain is now a placeholder, for sale for $299. The registration for MovilChat, the Cayman Islands front company, was set to expire on March 31.

In Cuba, nothing has come close to replacing it. Internet service still is restricted.

“The moment when ZunZuneo disappeared was like a vacuum,” Guerra said. “People texted my phone, ‘What is happening with ZunZuneo?’

“In the end, we never learned what happened,” he said. “We never learned where it came from.”[/quote]

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 03 Apr 2014 13:47
by Philip
Tx.Pankaj for that excellent piece of info.This is what all the "colour" revolutions and Arab Springs" are all about.
This also requires a lot of local covert support by quislings,CIA agents on the ground,mercenary thugs,wetsern media collaborators,etc. Western embassies and consulates will be orchestrating events,as in the Ukraine,where EU politicos openly supported "protestors" on the street.

Now for the Fort Hood killings.

A US soldier cracks up,after serving for 4 months in Iraq,and takes it out back at home on his colleagues. It is not an isolated case.Incidents of western soldiers appalled at the war crimes being committed by western troops and special intel units,have suffered severe trauma and mental problems and/or have leaked out info about the truth of the secret concentration camps scattered all over the world,being run by the CIA who lied to the Senate in its secret report. It is tragic that young US soldiers ,men and women who have taken aprt in these illegal wars and have been exposed to the dirty tricks by speical units that they never bargained for,has had a searing impact upon their lives,leading them to commit the madness which has just happened.

http://rt.com/usa/fort-hood-shooting-lockdown-969/
Shooter among 4 dead in Fort Hood spree, 16 people injured
A shooting took place at the US military base at Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas on Wednesday afternoon. Four people were confirmed dead including the gunman, apparently of a self-inflicted wound.

Sources told CBS News that the shooter was a 34-year-old soldier named Ivan Lopez. While little is known about Spc. Lopez, sources told CBS the Wednesday shooting may have been motivated by a conflict with another soldier.

Lt. Gen. Mark A. Milley confirmed during a Wednesday evening press conference that there was only a single male shooter, but refused to divulge the gunman’s name as the family has yet to be notified. Milley said the soldier in question was receiving treatment for depression and anxiety, and was undergoing the process that would have ultimately determined if he had post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

The Fort Hood gunman was found wearing combat fatigues and used a semi-automatic handgun.

The suspect served a four-month tour of duty in Iraq in 2011 and may have suffered a traumatic head injury during his time overseas, Milley said. The soldier only arrived at Fort Hood in February and has a wife and family in the Killeen area.

“Our focus now is to focus on the families of the injured and the families of those killed,” the general said. He encouraged the public to turn over any information that might be relevant to an investigation to either the FBI, local police, or military investigators.

As many as sixteen people have reportedly been hospitalized. Three of the wounded have suffered critical injuries and were transported to Carl R. Darnall Medical Center and other area hospitals.

Witnesses speculated that 20 shots were fired from a .45 pistol.

One soldier told KENS-5 in Texas that the first gunshots rang out around 4:35 p.m. near the outdoor motor pool but the gunman then ran into the medical building. The witness said it seemed like some kind of standoff had taken place, and that some people tried to flee by jumping over a seven-foot-high barbed wire fence.

An estimated 90 police and military vehicles were at the scene two hours after the first shots, along with nearly two dozen ambulances and SWAT teams.

There were also reports of victims in the Battle Simulation Center on 65th and Warehouse.

The lockdown was lifted Wednesday night, allowing many families to reunite with loved ones who were either stuck in traffic on the way to the base or were waiting for loved ones to arrive there. The American Red Cross previously announced that it had opened a shelter with a capacity of 150 for families who may have had trouble returning to Fort Hood amid the confusion.

The parking lot outside the base, where thousands of people come and go on a daily basis, quickly filled with family members of military personnel anxious for news on the situation. Local media reported that, along with fear and concern, a number of people were voicing frustration that another shooting appears to have taken place after Nidal Hasan, a US Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others on the base in 2009.

Hospital officials said Wednesday night that the victims had been shot in the head, chest, neck, abdomen, and extremities. They added that, in the wake of the 2009 shooting, hospital staff carried out drills to prepare for a mass shooting incident.

“Their conditions range from stable to quite critical,” one doctor said in an evening press conference. “There’s a lot of unknowns early on and it creates some logistical problems...I’m pleased to report we were well prepared but it always takes a little while to figure out how many patients are going to come.”

US President Barack Obama departs after making a statement to the press on April 2, 2014 in Chicago, Illinois, on the shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas. (AFP Photo / Jewel Samad)

US President Barack Obama departs after making a statement to the press on April 2, 2014 in Chicago, Illinois, on the shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas. (AFP Photo / Jewel Samad)

Officials have not confirmed whether Lopez was in uniform at the time of the shooting, which was reportedly motivated by an argument at the Army base's motor pool. It is known that he was living in the Killeen area. Terrorism is not suspected as a motivating factor.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who was also governor in 2009, released a statement expressing condolences to the families of the victims.

“Today, Ft. Hood was once again stricken by tragedy,” he said. “As Texans, our first priority must be caring for the victims and their families. Ft. hood has proven its resilience before, and will again. Texas will support those efforts in any way we can, with any resources necessary. The thoughts and prayers of all Texans are with everyone affected by this tragedy.”

Speaking to a press pool in Chicago on Wednesday afternoon, US President Obama said he is “heartbroken” about the events at Fort Hood and promised “we will get to the bottom of what happened.”

"It's a terrible tragedy. We know that. We know there are casualties, both people killed and injured," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told reporters during a news conference in Honolulu.

"We don't have all the facts yet. We will get those. It's still under investigation," he added.

The FBI had launched a manhunt for a former military recruit who told friends he was planning a “jihad” attack on Fort Hood, according to a Fox News report published Tuesday night. The FBI confirmed the report, although officials said the suspect had been interviewed and that he was not considered a threat.
Published time: April 02, 2014

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 03 Apr 2014 14:07
by kancha
US military struggling to stop suicide epidemic among war veterans

A lot of data points here:-

1. In 2012, the US military lost 176 men due to enemy action.
2. In the same year they lost 177 men to suicides.
3. If that was not enough, over 6500 veterans committed suicide in 2012 alone. I did a double take at this figure, thinking it might be for the previous decade or so. But no, 6500 veterans killed themselves in 2012 alone.

If this is not an epidemic, I don't know what else it might be called.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 04 Apr 2014 00:22
by member_22733
The seven stages of gun violence

Can also be applied to CNN & co's disgusting antics after MH370 event.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 04 Apr 2014 08:03
by Philip
America's obsession with guns and its obsession to using these guns and weapons of war on nations and peoples much smaller than it,results in such blowback when those youth sent out to commit heinous war crimes,cannot stomach the falsehoods and deceptions of their rulers,go bananas,and turn the guns on their colleagues and themselves.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ure-report
Senate committee votes to declassify parts of CIA torture report

Landmark vote authorises release of portions of report that accuses CIA of conducting abusive interrogations after 9/11

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 04 Apr 2014 10:08
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 04 Apr 2014 10:43
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 05 Apr 2014 06:44
by Prem
Whose Side Is God on Now?
Good Old Pat Buchanan
(He touches on the very issues PeeArrrF was discussing few weeks ago :shock: )
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 22172.html
In his Kremlin defense of Russia's annexation of Crimea, Vladimir Putin, even before he began listing the battles where Russian blood had been shed on Crimean soil, spoke of an older deeper bond.Crimea, said Putin, "is the location of ancient Khersones, where Prince Vladimir was baptized. His spiritual feat of adopting Orthodoxy predetermined the overall basis of the culture, civilization and human values that unite the peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus."Russia is a Christian country, Putin was saying.This speech recalls last December's address where the former KGB chief spoke of Russia as standing against a decadent West:"Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values. Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation."Heard any Western leader, say, Barack Obama, talk like that lately?Indicting the "Bolsheviks" who gave away Crimea to Ukraine, Putin declared, "May God judge them."What is going on here?With Marxism-Leninism a dead faith, Putin is saying the new ideological struggle is between a debauched West led by the United States and a traditionalist world Russia would be proud to lead.In the new war of beliefs, Putin is saying, it is Russia that is on God's side. The West is Gomorrah.Western leaders who compare Putin's annexation of Crimea to Hitler's Anschluss with Austria, who dismiss him as a "KGB thug," who call him "the alleged thief, liar and murderer who rules Russia," as the Wall Street Journal's Holman Jenkins did, believe Putin's claim to stand on higher moral ground is beyond blasphemous.But Vladimir Putin knows exactly what he is doing, and his new claim has a venerable lineage. The ex-Communist Whittaker Chambers who exposed Alger Hiss as a Soviet spy, was, at the time of his death in 1964, writing a book on "The Third Rome."The first Rome was the Holy City and seat of Christianity that fell to Odoacer and his barbarians in 476 A.D. The second Rome was Constantinople, Byzantium, (today's Istanbul), which fell to the Turks in 1453. The successor city to Byzantium, the Third Rome, the last Rome to the old believers, was -- Moscow.Putin is entering a claim that Moscow is the Godly City of today and command post of the counter-reformation against the new paganism.Putin is plugging into some of the modern world's most powerful currents. Not only in his defiance of what much of the world sees as America's arrogant drive for global hegemony. Not only in his tribal defense of lost Russians left behind when the USSR disintegrated.He is also tapping into the worldwide revulsion of and resistance to the sewage of a hedonistic secular and social revolution coming out of the West.In the culture war for the future of mankind, Putin is planting Russia's flag firmly on the side of traditional Christianity. His recent speeches carry echoes of John Paul II whose Evangelium Vitae in 1995 excoriated the West for its embrace of a "culture of death."
What did Pope John Paul mean by moral crimes?The West's capitulation to a sexual revolution of easy divorce, rampant promiscuity, *****, homosexuality, feminism, abortion, same-sex marriage, euthanasia, assisted suicide -- the displacement of Christian values by Hollywood values.Washington Post columnist Anne Applebaum writes that she was stunned when in Tbilisi to hear a Georgian lawyer declare of the former pro-Western regime of Mikhail Saakashvili, "They were LGBT.""It was an eye-opening moment," wrote Applebaum. Fear and loathing of the same-sex-marriage pandemic has gone global. In Paris, a million-man Moral Majority marched in angry protest.
Author Masha Gessen, who has written a book on Putin, says of his last two years, "Russia is remaking itself as the leader of the anti-Western world."But the war to be waged with the West is not with rockets. It is a cultural, social, moral war where Russia's role, in Putin's words, is to "prevent movement backward and downward, into chaotic darkness and a return to a primitive state."Would that be the "chaotic darkness" and "primitive state" of mankind, before the Light came into the world?In 2013, the Kremlin imposed a ban on homosexual propaganda, a ban on abortion advertising, a ban on abortions after 12 weeks and a ban on sacrilegious insults to religious believers."While the other super-powers march to a pagan world-view," writes WCF's Allan Carlson, "Russia is defending Judeo-Christian values. During the Soviet era, Western communists flocked to Moscow. This year, World Congress of Families VII will be held in Moscow, Sept. 10-12."Will Vladimir Putin give the keynote?In the new ideological Cold War, whose side is God on now?

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 06 Apr 2014 21:39
by A_Gupta

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 06 Apr 2014 23:06
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 03:28
by Prem
LBJ’s major mistakes

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/artic ... 09/OPINION
First, let me give credit where credit is due regarding civil rights. I suspect my memories of the 1950s and early ‘60s would not be so pleasant had I been born black instead of white. Having said that, let us address the twin catastrophes of changing an excellent and restrictive immigration law and the war on poverty which poured billions upon billions of dollars down the rat hole of welfare.
In 1965, Sen. Ted Kennedy and his brother, Robert, of New York decided that the U.S. population was too Euro-centric. They set about changing that distribution with a Democratic Congress, and Democratic president proceeded to do just that. In 1965, about 85 to 87 percent of the U.S. population was descended from European ancestors. The result was the strongest, richest, most successful nation in history. One might wonder why anyone would want to mess with success? Since I’m not a liberal, I cannot imagine what went on in those weak-minded Democrat brains, but change everything is what they did. The door was opened to massive third world immigration unseen in the history of the world. A nation’s population distribution is its very essence, and that has been altered forever. Unless mindless immigration is completely stopped (not likely), those like me with European ancestors will become the minority in our own country. Those of you who think this will be good should be outfitted for a rubber room because you are nuts! This country is rapidly heading for third-world status itself, and we can thank Lyndon Johnson and other Democrats of the time for starting the ball rolling. Unfortunately, other presidents including Republicans continued and even expanded on the insanity.
Then there is Medicare/Medicaid that Democrats consider excellent programs. As someone who was in the healthcare industry in 1965, I can tell you that health care was quite affordable for the average American. Made even more so by the fact that most employers provided subsidized health insurance. Then there is the entitlement state so greatly expanded by Johnson and future presidents. With more than 80 federal programs, and who knows how many state giveaways, half the country is on some kind of dole.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 03:38
by ramana
Above is a racist rant unworthy of being published.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 07:19
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 20:09
by svinayak
America's young workers: Destined for failure?
Love the articles from Baby Boomers that lament the plight of the Millennial...

10 years ago us Gen Xer's were just biding our time until the Boomers would start retiring en-mass, we envisioned a glut of good job positions opening up and prosperous options for new Millennials to take our jobs as we moved up.

The reality is that the Boomers are frantically holding on to their jobs as long as they possibly can. Instead of quality jobs opening up for the young, those of us in Gen X that are (very slowly) moving up are just as likely to see a Boomer "downsizing" their responsibilities at the company, thereby taking our old jobs and becoming our direct reports, so they can semi-retire while still getting that monthly financial lifeblood that they never worked to pump into their nest egg.

Sorry Millennials, your parents hosed you.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 20:56
by Aditya_V
Yogi_G wrote:We are currently living through possibly the darkest period where the Germannic races powers can do whatever they want at will and manipulate the media machine they own to make it look benign. Until Russia revives, China and India stand up it will be a dark period for the world with a single rogue state calling the shots.

I doubt we can thoroughly understand the US without understanding the fondness of violence or violent sport of the Germannic races.
Power corrupts and with Nato being so powerful, they can get away with anything, a lesson we Indians didnt learn in a 1000 years. So many Indians think miltary strength is useless.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 21:00
by Aditya_V
Jhujar wrote:LBJ’s major mistakes

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/artic ... 09/OPINION
First, let me give credit where credit is due regarding civil rights. I suspect my memories of the 1950s and early ‘60s would not be so pleasant had I been born black instead of white. Having said that, let us address the twin catastrophes of changing an excellent and restrictive immigration law and the war on poverty which poured billions upon billions of dollars down the rat hole of welfare.
In 1965, Sen. Ted Kennedy and his brother, Robert, of New York decided that the U.S. population was too Euro-centric. They set about changing that distribution with a Democratic Congress, and Democratic president proceeded to do just that. In 1965, about 85 to 87 percent of the U.S. population was descended from European ancestors. The result was the strongest, richest, most successful nation in history. One might wonder why anyone would want to mess with success? Since I’m not a liberal, I cannot imagine what went on in those weak-minded Democrat brains, but change everything is what they did. The door was opened to massive third world immigration unseen in the history of the world. A nation’s population distribution is its very essence, and that has been altered forever. Unless mindless immigration is completely stopped (not likely), those like me with European ancestors will become the minority in our own country. Those of you who think this will be good should be outfitted for a rubber room because you are nuts! This country is rapidly heading for third-world status itself, and we can thank Lyndon Johnson and other Democrats of the time for starting the ball rolling. Unfortunately, other presidents including Republicans continued and even expanded on the insanity.
Then there is Medicare/Medicaid that Democrats consider excellent programs. As someone who was in the healthcare industry in 1965, I can tell you that health care was quite affordable for the average American. Made even more so by the fact that most employers provided subsidized health insurance. Then there is the entitlement state so greatly expanded by Johnson and future presidents. With more than 80 federal programs, and who knows how many state giveaways, half the country is on some kind of dole.
Wonder how those savage Apaches, Sioux and those Human sacrificing maya, inca, aztecs and native Australians felt when being wiped out North SOuth America and Australia. This cconquest was the main reason for European sucess in thee last 150 years. SOmething which other nationalities have not understood andd suceered in by thier propoganda

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 08 Apr 2014 23:43
by ramana

Wonder how those savage Apaches, Sioux and those Human sacrificing maya, inca, aztecs and native Australians felt when being wiped out North SOuth America and Australia. This cconquest was the main reason for European sucess in thee last 150 years. SOmething which other nationalities have not understood andd suceered in by thier propoganda


The native populations of North and Central America were deciamted by small pox and essentially depopulated. This made the conquest easy. The other powers realized and launched colonialism but it did not work as teh populations were resistant to such diseases. The British used famine and regular otubreaks of cholera.
Eventually due tot he loot they all got from colonies they fought two world wars and decimated their power.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 09 Apr 2014 08:45
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 10 Apr 2014 04:10
by Prem
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/rig ... gn-policy/
Enough with Kerry’s ‘trust me’ foreign policy
In his testimony yesterday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Secretary of State John Kerry refused to accept Sen. John McCain’s conclusion that he was heading for the “trifecta” of foreign policy flops on Syria, the “peace process” and Iran. The policies haven’t failed yet, insisted Kerry. Oh, really?Secretary of State John Kerry appears before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Capitol Hill on April 8. (J. Scott Applewhite/Associated Press)The Associated Press reports: “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered his ministers Wednesday to cut off contact with their Palestinian counterparts, an official said, the latest in a series of troubles plaguing floundering U.S.-brokered peace talks. The move is retaliation for a Palestinian bid to join United Nations agencies, which the official said was a violation of the Palestinians’ commitment in the peace talks. The Palestinians dismissed the Israeli move, saying both sides rarely meet now as it is.” Not over yet? Kerry is sounding a bit like the Black Knight.Moving on, we are not surprised to see that no deal between the P5+1 and Iran is anywhere in sight. Reuters reports:
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Tehran’s negotiating team should not yield to issues “forced upon them.”“These negotiations should continue,” he told nuclear scientists in Tehran, the official IRNA news agency reported. “But all should know that negotiations will not stop or slow down any of Iran’s activities in nuclear research and development.”Tehran denies suspicions that it is after nuclear weapons.These reports lead to several conclusions. First, lawmakers who want to give Kerry “time to negotiate” with Iran are fooling themselves. In forgoing alternative steps in favor of fruitless negotiations, they are enabling the Iranians. Indeed, Kerry confirms that Iran’s breakout time is now only two months. Second, the time spent in the “peace process” has been a waste and, if anything, has frittered away whatever credibility Kerry had. Kerry’s initial impulse is invariably to blame Israel (before he resorts to moral equivalence), but in fact it’s the Palestinians who have refused to give up their hopes of a one-state (an Arab one) solution and now have gone in search of unilateral recognition. Here again, Congress should not sit idly by. The Palestinian Authority has broken its international agreements and should, as a result of its “unity government” with Hamas, lose at least some U.S. funding. (Those organizations that accept the PA should lose the benefit of U.S. membership as well as U.S. funding.) And finally, the reports confirm that Kerry’s false choice between his diplomatic dithering and war is nothing more than appeasement. We talk as foes (whether in Moscow, Damascus or Tehran) pursue their objectives with no U.S. response other than Kerry’s pleas for them to see that their interests would be best served by complying with our demands. (They obviously disagree.)It’s long past the point at which Congress should weigh in. It can use its power to pass sanctions, exercise oversight and control funding. As to the latter, one specific step Congress can take is to reprioritize national security, sending a signal to other powers that the U.S. is willing to do what is necessary to protect its interests and project power. That, at least in the House, is already happening, as Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) explains:Over the last five years, the Obama administration has asked for progressively fewer resources to support our national security. These cuts have real-world consequences. If we adopted the President’s budget, the Army would shrink to its smallest size since World War II, the Navy to its smallest size since World War I, and the Air Force to its smallest size ever. Half of our cruiser fleet would be in dry dock. We would have to retire both the A-10 and U-2. And we would have just ten carrier strike groups.In short, responsible Democrats and Republicans should reject the administration’s “trust me” foreign policy. And GOP lawmakers who have presidential ambitions now have a test: Will they double down on the Obama-Kerry-Hillary Clinton foreign policy or chart a new course?

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 15 Apr 2014 10:18
by abhishek_sharma

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 16 Apr 2014 00:10
by Kati
'Foorin' media always projects Bharat in bad light, and our DDM (paid by those 'foorin' media) keeps mum about the happenings in the 'foorin' land.

President Jimmy Carter: ‘I Consider Myself a Feminist’

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/newsmakers/ ... .html?vp=1
Since he left office in 1981, President Jimmy Carter has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, founded a nongovernmental center to address global public policy, and written 28 books. He considers his latest one – “A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, and Power” -- “by far the most important book I’ve ever written in my life.”

The book addresses the human rights violations and horrific abuses against women and girls worldwide, including sexual trafficking, genital mutilation and child marriage. But abuses are not solely relegated to the developing world; they're rampant in the United States as well.

For example, President Carter said 100,000 girls are sold every year into bondage in the U.S., where a brothel owner can buy a girl – usually from Latin America or Africa -- for about $1,000. He also pointed to rape on college campuses, where only 1 out of 25 cases is reported. In addition, the well-publicized incidence of sexual abuse in the nation’s military stands in contrast to the rapists who are actually punished: only about 1 percent.

President Carter is careful not to single out any one country “as a villain. But I hold the U.S. most responsible because we have the potential for correcting our own mistakes and going to other countries in a very benevolent way and helping them to decide on their own initiative that they can correct some of the problems that exist.”

He does hold religion accountable, though. For example, he posed a logical question: if a husband or employer is religious and does not deem women as equal in the eyes of God, then why would they treat women equally in the house or at work?

“The misinterpretation of religious scriptures is the foundation of abuse against women and girls,” President Carter said.

After his presidency, the 89-year-old Democrat returned to his hometown of Plains, Georgia. But he travels the world on behalf of The Carter Center, the nongovernmental organization committed to resolving conflicts and preventing diseases. He and wife, Rosalynn, have visited dozens of countries where they have seen firsthand the abuses he writes about.

“Yes, of course I consider myself a feminist,” President Carter said. “If a feminist is someone who believes that women should not be persecuted and women should have equal rights, then all men ought to be feminists.”

ABC News' Jenna Harrison, Brian Fudge and Arthur Niemynski contributed to this episode.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 16 Apr 2014 16:32
by A_Gupta
NYT Op-Ed
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/opini ... ef=opinion
In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security issued a nine-page report detailing the threat of domestic terrorism by the white power movement. This short document outlined no specific threats, but rather a set of historical factors that had predicted white-supremacist activity in the past — like economic pressure, opposition to immigration and gun-control legislation — and a new factor, the election of a black president.

The report singled out one factor that has fueled every surge in Ku Klux Klan membership in American history, from the 1860s to the present: war. The return of veterans from combat appears to correlate more closely with Klan membership than any other historical factor. “Military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists carrying out violent attacks,” the report warned. The agency was “concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.”

The report raised intense blowback from the American Legion, Fox News and conservative members of Congress. They demanded an apology and denounced the idea that any veteran could commit an act of domestic terrorism. The department shelved the report, removing it from its website. The threat, however, proved real.

Mr. Miller obviously represents an extreme, both in his politics and in his violence. A vast majority of veterans are neither violent nor mentally ill. When they turn violent, they often harm themselves, by committing suicide. But it would be irresponsible to overlook the high rates of combat trauma among the 2.4 million Americans who have served in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the full impact of which has not yet materialized. Veterans of those conflicts represent just 10 percent of those getting mental health services through the Department of Veterans Affairs, where the overwhelming majority of those in treatment are still Vietnam veterans.

During Mr. Miller’s long membership in the white power movement, its leaders have robbed armored cars, engaged in counterfeiting and the large-scale theft of military weapons, and carried out or planned killings. The bombing by Timothy J. McVeigh, an Army veteran, of the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, which killed 168 people, was only the most dramatic of these crimes. When we interpret shootings like the one on Sunday as acts of mad, lone-wolf gunmen, we fail to see white power as an organized — and deadly — social movement.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 16 Apr 2014 21:51
by Prem
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/opini ... inion&_r=0
Veterans and White Supremacy
Mr. Miller, the 73-year-old man charged in the killings, had been outspoken about his hatred of Jews, blacks, Communists and immigrants, but it would be a mistake to dismiss him as a crazed outlier. The shootings were consistent with his three decades of participation in organized hate groups. His violence was framed by a clear worldview.The number of Vietnam veterans in that movement was small — a tiny proportion of those who served — but Vietnam veterans forged the first links between Klansmen and Nazis since World War II. They were central in leading Klan and neo-Nazi groups past the anti-civil rights backlash of the 1960s and toward paramilitary violence. The white power movement they forged had strongholds not only in the South, but also in the Pacific Northwest, Colorado, California and Pennsylvania. Its members carried weapons like those they had used in Vietnam, and used boot-camp rhetoric to frame their pursuit of domestic enemies. They condoned violence against innocent people and, eventually, the state itself.
Mr. Miller’s downfall came after the Southern Poverty Law Center filed a lawsuit on behalf of black North Carolinians; as part of a settlement in 1985, he agreed to stop operating a paramilitary organization. In 1987, a federal judge found that Mr. Miller had violated the agreement, and barred him from contacting others in the white power movement. Outraged, and anticipating criminal charges regarding the stolen military weapons, Mr. Miller briefly went underground. He would write in a self-published autobiography, “Since they wouldn’t allow me to fight them legally above ground, then I’d resort to the only means left, armed revolution.” He was later caught with a small arsenal, but he began cooperating with prosecutors, testifying against other white supremacists in exchange for a reduced sentence. He was released in 1990, after serving three years.
In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security issued a nine-page report detailing the threat of domestic terrorism by the white power movement. This short document outlined no specific threats, but rather a set of historical factors that had predicted white-supremacist activity in the past — like economic pressure, opposition to immigration and gun-control legislation — and a new factor, the election of a black president.The report singled out one factor that has fueled every surge in Ku Klux Klan membership in American history, from the 1860s to the present: war. The return of veterans from combat appears to correlate more closely with Klan membership than any other historical factor. “Military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists carrying out violent attacks,” the report warned. The agency was “concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.”The report raised intense blowback from the American Legion, Fox News and conservative members of Congress. They demanded an apology and denounced the idea that any veteran could commit an act of domestic terrorism. The department shelved the report, removing it from its website. The threat, however, proved real.
Mr. Miller obviously represents an extreme, both in his politics and in his violence. A vast majority of veterans are neither violent nor mentally ill. When they turn violent, they often harm themselves, by committing suicide. But it would be irresponsible to overlook the high rates of combat trauma among the 2.4 million Americans who have served in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the full impact of which has not yet materialized. Veterans of those conflicts represent just 10 percent of those getting mental health services through the Department of Veterans Affairs, where the overwhelming majority of those in treatment are still Vietnam veterans.During Mr. Miller’s long membership in the white power movement, its leaders have robbed armored cars, engaged in counterfeiting and the large-scale theft of military weapons, and carried out or planned killings. The bombing by Timothy J. McVeigh, an Army veteran, of the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995, which killed 168 people, was only the most dramatic of these crimes. When we interpret shootings like the one on Sunday as acts of mad, lone-wolf gunmen, we fail to see white power as an organized — and deadly — social movement.That Mr. Miller was able to carry out an act of domestic terror at two locations despite his history of violent behavior should alarm anyone concerned about public safety. Would he have received greater scrutiny had he been a Muslim, a foreigner, not white, not a veteran? The answer is clear, and alarming.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 16 Apr 2014 22:16
by ramana
Actually Miller should have been jailed. His recent attack on the Jewish center is a failure of the DOJ system due to misuse of plea bargains and settlements with violent criminals. Such folks should have been sent to jail and key thrown away. instead they get to commit more crimes.


And this puff piece blames veterans who fought those unwanted wars and the vast majority of them are ordinary folks leading good lives.


Above also has nothing to do with veterans. Its a criminal who was allowed to go free to do more crime at a later date.


Some one post this comment in NYT.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 20 Apr 2014 18:03
by Vayutuvan
Now we know where the terminology is coming from and who is setting the agenda for dynasty. Some head shaping went on at Harvard.

grazing on public lands - Nevada ranch standoff - Harry Reid says "domestic terror"

Please go though the comments. Very illuminating re the wide gulf that gas developed between dems and repubs creating a large vacuum in the center.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 20 Apr 2014 20:39
by A_Gupta

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 22 Apr 2014 03:47
by A_Gupta
The Constitution of the State of Alabama, adopted in 1901, is the sixth constitution that state has had. The purpose of establishing that Constitution?

From the second day of the 1901 Constitutional Convention: (emphasis added)
CHIEF JUSTICE McCLELLAN - Gentlemen of the Convention, I have the honor and pleasure of presenting to you the gentleman whom you have elected to preside over your deliberations, the Honorable John B. Knox of Calhoun County.

MR. KNOX - Gentlemen of the Convention:

I thank you for the high honor you have conferred in electing me to preside over the deliberations of this Convention. Viewed from the standpoint of my profession, to which, up to this moment, my life's work has been devoted, it is a great honor, indeed; for I know of no higher honor that can be conferred upon a lawyer than to be made President of the Constitutional Convention, which represents the sovereignty of his people; and numbers among its delegates, in large part, the intellect and talent of the State - those who have in the past, and will in the future exert a potent influence in shaping and directing the affairs of the State.

In my judgment, the people of Alabama have been called upon to face no more important situation than now confronts us, unless it be when they, in 1861, stirred by the momentous issue of impending conflict between the North and the South, were forced to decide whether they would remain in or withdraw from the Union.

Then, as now, the negro was the prominent factor in the issue.

The Southern people, with this grave problem of the races to deal with, are face to face with a new epoch in Constitution-making, the difficulties of which are great, but which, if solved wisely, may bring rest and peace and happiness. If otherwise, it may leave us and our posterity continuously involved in race conflict, or what may be worse, subjected permanently to the baneful influences of the political conditions now prevailing in the State.

So long as the negro remains in insignificant minority, and votes the Republican ticket, our friends in the North tolerate him with complacency, but there is not a Northern State, and I might go further and say, there is not an intelligent white man in the North, not gangrened by sectional prejudice and hatred of the South who would consent for a single day to submit to negro rule.

If the negroes of the South should move in such numbers to the State of Massachusetts, or any other Northern State, as would enable them to elect the officers, levy the taxes, and control the government and policy of that State, I doubt not they would be met, in spirit, as the negro laborers from the South were met at the State line of Illinois, with bayonets, led by a Republican Governor, and firmly but emphatically informed that no quarter would be shown them in that territory.

One has studied the history of recent events to very little purpose who has failed to discover that race prejudice exists at the North in as pronounced a form as at the South, and that the question of negro domination, when brought home, will arouse the same opposition in either section.

And what is it that we want to do? Why it is within the limits imposed by the Federal Constitution, to establish white supremacy in this State.

This is our problem, and we should be permitted to deal with it, unobstructed by outside influences, with a sense of our responsibilities as citizens and our duty to posterity.
Originally posted on my blog:
http://arunsmusings.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... rrent.html

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 23 Apr 2014 16:32
by A_Gupta
Ta-Nehisi Coates on blacks driven from their lands:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... us/361039/

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 25 Apr 2014 12:00
by anmol
x-posting from India-US thread.
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Following article is from a retired US Foreign Service guy's blog [he have served in Pakistan/Sri Lanka and there are many wikileak cables on him, google: "site:wikileaks.org Lewis Amselem"].

I think he is responding to the NYT report, and questions on the "wrong war".... The article should be only about Pakistan... but starts with India, how India never really existed, its elites, Nehru, Indira. etc.

He doesn't really say it, but it is clear that from US POV defeat of Germany, Japan, Iraq unleashed Russia China and Iran. Soooo "wrong war" because the "right war" will open up opportunities for India.

Wednesday, April 23, 2014
On Pakistan: A Rerun with an Update
Almost three years ago, I posted the piece that I have copied below--it was on May 5, 2011, to be exact. I wrote it in the wake of the Osama take-down and my concerns about Western intel capabilities and the role that Pakistan played in hiding that mass murderer. A couple of days ago, a reader asked for my views on some recent lit that argues that Afghanistan was the "wrong" war and that the real war should be with Pakistan.

As you can see in the May 2011 piece below, I touched on that, noting the highly conflicted relationship we have had with Pakistan. Let me add a bit to that, and then return to the issue of the "wrong war."

India has viewed the West, and the US, in particular, as the protectors of Pakistan. As is the usual case when Indians tell their own history, they blame foreigners for much, if not most, if not all the misfortune, real and imagined, that has befallen India before and since independence. You will meet very intelligent and well-educated Indians who tell you that the British (and later the Americans) used "divide and conquer" when dealing with India. They conveniently forget, of course, that India is a British invention; there was no unified sub-continent when the British arrived. It was the British who united India and gave it whatever collective consciousness it has. The British did not invent the communal riots-cum-warfare that have swept through India since way before Hartza was a pup. The British did not introduce the dozens and dozens of languages, the many religions, and the myriad, great, colorful and very diverse cultures that characterize and divide the subcontinent.

The British bequeathed India much of what is good about India's politics and economic infrastructure. India's politicians, however, squandered much of that inheritance. The British left behind a highly educated elite that, unfortunately, proved much better at divide and conquer politics than the British, to say the least. The splitting of the subcontinent into India and Pakistan was the work of that elite; the horrendous ethnic violence that followed the British departure and the carving away of Pakistan cannot be blamed on the British, the West, or the Man in the Moon. That was the handiwork of the elites, in particular the horrendous Nehru and the somewhat less horrendous but still divisive Mohammed Ali Jinnah.

Nehru and his clan decided to take India in a direction away from the West and strike up friendships with all manner of leftist dictatorships, helping found the anti-US G-77 ("Third World") movement. They never really resigned themselves to the existence of Pakistan and, in essence, decided to make the poor and even more horribly misgoverned Pakistan's life hell. Pakistan was forced to exist with the constant threat from India that it could be terminated at any moment. This helped push Pakistan first towards the West, joining in military agreements with the United States including allowing US military facilities aimed at the USSR; then later, Pakistan tilted towards China, India's great Asian rival. India, in particular under the reign of Nehru's daughter Indira Ghandi, became very close to the USSR, and enjoyed trying to frustrate US objectives wherever and whenever possible. Under Indira, for example, the Indians would not condemn the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia nor years later of Afghanistan. India was very opposed to US efforts to work with Pakistan in support of the anti-Soviet resistance in Afghanistan.

Now to the issue of the "wrong" war. As I state below, we did the right thing by working with Pakistan and the Afghan resistance to expel the USSR from Afghanistan. Once the USSR collapsed, we did what we always seem to do after major victories, we assumed that "history had ended," and could reap the "peace dividend" without fear. Well, of course, Afghanistan quickly fell apart, and the more ruthless radical jihadis, i.e., the Taliban, soon had the country in their grip. I mention below that the Taliban was a creation of the Pakistanis who, operating under the growing influence of Islamists largely funded by the Saudis, also played a role in helping AQ set up shop in Afghanistan.

Throughout the "war on terror" the Pakistanis have played at best an ambivalent game, and usually a duplicitous one. Pakistan's government is a badly splintered one; when I served there, one was never sure with whom one was speaking and making a deal--and it has gotten worse. So, yes, Pakistan is an "enemy" to the extent that their heart is not in the WOT, but it is an enemy with grave divisions and factions that want certain other factions killed or otherwise neutralized. The Pakistani military, for example, as a rule, still relatively jihadi free, does not, despite public statements to the contrary, really object to our drone attacks on militants in the tribal areas. There are wheels within wheels within Matryoska dolls within Matryoska dolls. So, again, for example, one can never be sure what side the powerful ISI (Pakistan's intel service) is on any given day.

By invading Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11, we did the right thing. Taking out the Taliban and the AQ had a powerful impact upon jihadis around the world. They never expected that the US would dare launch an invasion of Afghanistan, that it would be mounted so quickly, and carried out so efficiently. It was a stunner.

Some would argue that we would have done better to invade Pakistan. Much messier objective, and it would not have satisfied what we needed right away, to wit, to knock out AQ's base in Afghanistan and punish its Taliban hosts. If, furthermore, we are going to worry about fighting the wrong war, then we should probably also be talking about invading Saudi Arabia, which is in many ways a much greater threat to the US and the West than is Pakistan. Are we going to do that? Doubt it very much. As I have said many, many times, our secret weapon for dealing with the jihadis is our vast energy reserves. If we frack and drill, go nuclear, dig coal, and just stop putting impediments in the way of our energy independence, much of the money-generated steam will go out of jihadi efforts.

Anyhow, here is what I wrote three years ago. I think it still holds up OK.

May 5, 2011
Pakistani Perfidy and Western Incompetence in the Hunt for Osama
In the long ago 1980s, I spent several years working on Pakistani issues. I lived for two years in Islamabad and Peshawar, travelled all over the country, including in many areas now off-limits, and spent another two years working on Pakistan in Washington and returning frequently there. Those were the Reagan years, and we were working closely (sort of) with the Zia ul-Haq government to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan (more on that below.)

Pakistan is a strange country with a strange history. It is a rump piece, a backwater of the great Indian Hindu civilization, and is wracked by any number of complexes and pathologies. It is a Muslim state founded by one of the most non-Islamic people ever, Muhammed Ali Jinnah, who only reluctantly came to the conclusion that Pakistan should be created. Most of his life he had argued for keeping the Muslims of India within a democratic India. He was intelligent and good looking; dressed well; was not religious; spoke beautiful English; and was more at home in the salons of the well-to-do and educated than he was with the street rabble. He was never clear whether his vision for Pakistan was as a secular or a religious state, and that debate over his intentions still rages in Pakistan with a lot of historical revision undertaken to show the second. A heavy smoker, and, reportedly, a man who liked his Scotch, he died very soon after the creation of Pakistan. He therefore, never saw the country's subsequent humiliations and defeats. The carving away of Bangladesh, gave the lie to the creation myth of Pakistan as THE homeland of the subcontinent's Muslims, as did the fact that India continued to host one of the world's largest Muslim communities. We should note that more Muslims live in India than in either Pakistan or Bangladesh, and do not seem in a hurry to move to either of those "homelands."

Pakistan is and always has been a mess. It is held together just barely by two forces: the military, and hatred of India. Punjabis, Sindhis, Baluchis, Pashtos have little in common except religion, and there are even differences there. The Pakistanis, especially in recent years as Saudi influence has grown, have tended to oppress non-Sunnis, and to institute a copy of Saudi-type Islamic rule. Things have gotten progressively tougher for intellectuals, artists, writers, and women in Pakistan, as well as for Christians, Ahmadis, and Shias (although the Ismaili followers of the wealthy Aga Khan have bought themselves some respite from persecution--money does wonderful things in Pakistan). Most other religious groups have long been driven out, or firmly underground in Pakistan. It is not a democratic country; democratic values run very thin and weak, and even then only among a handful of mostly Western educated elites--many of whom see "democracy" as a great way to get very rich by buying and selling votes, favors, parliamentary majorities, etc. The late Benazir Bhutto, whom I knew quite well, and her extraordinarily corrupt husband, now President of Pakistan, shine as classic examples of that sort of "democratic"elite so beloved by the West.

Pakistan is a weak, resentful state, very envious of the success of India, especially since India freed itself of the horrendous Nehru clan, in particular that evil, murdering, pro-Soviet Indira Gandhi. Islam has done nothing positive for Pakistan. Under Zia ul-Haq, later assassinated along with the US Ambassador, the country became more and more Islamized, became progressively crazier and, frankly, stupider and stupider. It was Pakistan's intelligence service, the corrupt and faction-ridden Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) outfit, working with the Saudis that created the Taliban and, eventually, al Qaida. It was not the CIA, the United States, or Great Britain. That the USA and the UK created those operations is one of those little stories put out by the left and certain others to try to discredit our current efforts against the Taliban and AQ. It was the Pakistanis and the Saudis, not the US and the UK, who created the Taliban and AQ.

I worked in Pakistan at the height of the relationship between the US and Pakistan. Even then, however, we knew not to trust them too much. Zia, after all, did nothing to protect the US Embassy when it was attacked by a mob in 1979, following false local press reports of a US-Israeli attack on Mecca. That mob burned the Embassy, and killed four embassy employees, including a young Marine guard shot in the head by a sniper.

We knew they were double dealing us on the Afghans. We would insist they not support certain groups, they would promise, but then do so anyhow. They also played games with the Iranians, and we knew they were lying about their nuclear program. We reluctantly went along, as you often have to do in the real world, because we had the theory of defeating "one enemy at a time." We, too, did things that we did not tell them about. We were on a mission to destroy the Soviet Union, which at that time, and rightly so, was seen as the major threat to the United States, including to our homeland. That mission succeeded, and I still think we did the right thing by focussing on that mission. I am proud of the very small role I played in helping bring about that defeat.

Every victory, of course, brings consequences which successors must handle. The defeats of Germany and Japan were the right things to do, although those then opened opportunities for the Soviet Union and later Communist China. Our defeating Iraq in two wars benefitted Iran, but that doesn't mean it wasn't right to defeat Iraq.

Anyhow, bottom line, don't trust Pakistan. That government is ridden with factions, corrupt beyond belief, full of liars, and of people out for themselves and their families, not for the "country." Did Pakistan know that Osama had his man-cave in Abbottabad? I am sure parts of Pakistan's government did; almost certainly some officials were bought and paid for. I have been to Abbottabad many times in the past. It is inconceivable that a sprawling compound could go up in this sleepy and quaint town, without questions asked by Pakistani military, police, or intelligence services, or even by local politicians out to get some Baksheesh from an obviously rich potential benefactor who had just moved into town.

This episode, sadly, also raises some embarrassing questions which I have not read or heard asked about the West's intel services. When I worked in Pakistan, and this was well before high-tech drones, Google, and all the rest of that stuff, somebody with our Embassy, or with our friends at the neighboring British High Commission, would have commented on this compound, and undertaken an effort to find out who lived there, how it was being paid for, etc.

Since 9/11/2001, we have undertaken a multi-billion dollar manhunt for Osama, a hunt that focussed largely on Pakistan. It never occurred to anybody that he or some other very big fish might be in that complex? Had we become so enamored of the "he is living in a cave in the mountains" scenario that we couldn't conceive that this rich, spoiled, cowardly, and not very healthy man might be living in relative comfort somewhere more, shall we say, urbane? I hope I am wrong, and that the true history of the effort will show that somebody on our side asked about that compound. I am afraid, however, that this episode just shows how degraded we have let our intel services become, and, most notably, the poverty of our HUMINT capabilities. That degradation is understandable coming as it does after decades of attacks, mostly by the Democrats, on our covert capabilities. If the bad guy doesn't have a cellphone or internet we don't know who he is or what he is doing? That is a lesson our enemies, I am sure, have noticed, and that is not cheerful news.
W. Lewis Amselem, long time US Foreign Service Officer; now retired; have served all over the world and under all sorts of conditions. Convinced the State Department needs to be drastically slashed and reformed so that it will no longer pose a threat to the national interests of the United States.

Re: Understanding the US-2

Posted: 25 Apr 2014 16:32
by A_Gupta
The burden of history is not easily shed.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... th/361182/