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you cant capture so many without knowning where to find thempankajs wrote:Where these folks preparing for Gazwa-e-Pind?CNN-IBN News @ibnlive 9m9 minutes ago Noida, Uttar Pradesh
Pakistan security forces nab over 300 terror suspects in Islamabad http://
Well, the ummah have an answer too for that. They always claim that once somebody is dead, the funeral has to be conducted and anyone and everyone around must attend that.Anujan wrote:Remember all those articles about all of Pakistan being united against terror? Well this is the funeral of one of the taliban abduls who was hanged.
Pakistan’s prestigious Quaid-i-Azam University (QAU) here has been closed for indefinite period due to security concerns.
A spokesman of the QAU said the university has been closed for an indefinite period, Dawn reported on Sunday.
He, however, said the administrative office of the university would remain open for processing admissions for spring 2015.
Majority of the educational institutions have been closed as annual winter vacation was announced from December 20 and due to security concerns in the wake of the Peshawar school massacre and the decision of the Pakistan’s government to restore capital punishment.
According to sources quoting intelligence agency officials, QAU, with no boundary wall and a vast open area, could be a soft target of terrorists, the newspaper reported.
“The security agencies have shown their concern over the security of the university so we decided to close it for an indefinite period,” said a senior faculty member of the QAU, on condition of anonymity.
Last month, intelligence agencies had sent a security alert to the QAU management.
Other universities in the capital which have been closed are International Islamic University Islamabad (IIUI), National University of Science and Technology (NUST), Bahria University and National University of Modern Languages (NUML).
NUML will re-open on December 26.
How many of these terror suspects were pure? How many were greener and greenest? Probably all of the suspects were pakis in true sense ie pure.pankajs wrote:Where these folks preparing for Gazwa-e-Pind?CNN-IBN News @ibnlive 9m9 minutes ago Noida, Uttar Pradesh
Pakistan security forces nab over 300 terror suspects in Islamabad http://
Indeed. Shocking frankness. She didn't hold back at all.RajeshA wrote:Christine Fair has come some way from her statements of Indians supporting Baluchistanis using our embassies in Afghanistan. Very clear explanation of ISI thinking.Sudip wrote:
Insightful observationsAmbar wrote:Had the peshawar incident occurred in some poor hazara neighborhood in Balochistan, no one would have batted their eyelids. Had this been some hapless ahmadis or shias blown to smithereens in their places of worship, there would be no greater reaction than the obligatory "Terrorists are evil and they will be defeated" statements from the talking heads of TSPA and their politicians. But this was different. This happened to the children of Pakistani elite in an army run institute. For the first time the chickens have gone to their masters den to roost. What baffles me is not the reaction in pakistan which is understandable for the above reasons, but the reaction in India. From the usual anti-national bigot Mahesh Butt to mostly sensible Anupam Kher ( married to BJP MP Kirron Kher) are tripping over one another to do rudali. Where were these people when Mumbai train blasts,zaveri bazar blasts,26/11 or countless other blasts in other Indian cities ? Isn't that terrorism ? Weren't children killed in those acts of violence too ? Where was their anguish and anger then ? The so called secular political parties,leftist NGOs and bollywood are the three pillars of anti-nationals in India. We will never be safe nor sane as long as these 3 exists in their current form.
SOMETIMES, anecdotes suffice. Late last year, after a wave of terror attacks in KP had forced the government to think about militancy, the prime minister held a round of consultations with the usual suspects from the media, the analyst community, civil society and the like.
At one of those meetings, the prime minister said he was simply there to listen, invited everyone he had gathered to speak their minds and patiently held a pencil in his hand, occasionally jotting something down.
For hours, folk you read and hear and watch if you’re interested in politics and security talked exhaustively about militancy and terrorism and what they individually thought needed to be done.
Many talked about the counter-insurgency in Fata. Afghanistan was debated. The US was discussed. India was mentioned. Civil-military was analysed. Lack of resources, how to find those resources, how to build on existing resources, it was all parsed.
Collating all the thoughts and opinions voiced that afternoon it amounted to a fairly comprehensive and impressive action plan — if the state were ever to get serious about fighting the militants who are fighting it.
One thing stood out though: there was no discussion of Punjab. It was not even mentioned. It was all TTP, Fata, KP, Karachi, Islamabad, bad militants, Afghan Taliban, Haqqanis even. But no Punjab.
Perhaps propriety dictated that, given the host that afternoon is the king of Punjab. But the topic was terrorism and how to make Pakistan safe and the host had urged a frank discussion. So, at the end, after everyone had spoken and no one had mentioned Punjab, I asked the prime minister about his province.
What’s the point in talking about militancy if the debate is limited to the fires that are already raging; what about Punjab, where everyone knows there’s a militancy presence bigger than Fata and KP combined and where the PML-N is known to be in bed with at least some militants?
That was the only time in those several hours that Nawaz became animated. He quickly and flatly denied any links between his party and Punjab-based militants and denied that Punjab has an outsize militancy problem. He didn’t need to.
The few ministers in attendance leapt to their boss and their province’s defence. Not true. No terrorism in Punjab. No such thing. No understanding with any militant groups. It’s all a lie. Everyone else at that table knew they were lying, possibly to themselves, certainly to us.
Another anecdote. From the Kayani era, an anecdote relevant still because it extends to the decisive, dashing Raheel era. The anecdote was narrated second-hand.
Gen K had invited a small group of civilian security experts for a chat. They were there to talk about the counter-insurgency in Fata and the spillover into the cities. At some point, one of the participants asked the general about Punjab.
Nothing you do in Fata or KP will matter as long as Punjab remains untouched, as long as Hafiz Saeed and his ilk are allowed to run around. The two zones are connected, you can’t fix one problem without addressing the other; why aren’t you dealing with Punjab, Gen K was asked.
As he was inclined to do when asked a difficult question, Gen K puffed on his cigarette, said nothing for a while and then quietly turned to address someone else. After the meeting though, Gen K pulled aside his guest who had asked about Punjab.
I was not avoiding your question, he said, I didn’t want to answer it in front of everyone else. Then, in typical Kayani style, he responded with a question of his own: do you want me to break the army, to fracture it by opening another front? I won’t allow that on my watch.
Not on my watch. There it was, an honest answer, given in private, the same answer that Nawaz would probably give in a private, honest moment. Not on my watch.
But things, awful, terrible things, do happen on their watch. We lived through one this week. Why, people ask, is that never enough to spur the political and military leadership into saying, enough. Never again. Not on my or anyone else’s watch.
Because bad things happening does not mean worse cannot happen. What the people don’t know, the political and military leadership does: better — politically and militarily better — to deal with the bad than to have to deal with the worse.
Most here have forgotten why Musharraf delayed action against Lal Masjid for six months in 2007 and what happened after the raid. Which is also why most here cannot understand why that odious man, Abdul Aziz, is allowed to mock the nation’s pain and threaten peaceful citizens gathered outside his mosque.
“If I am arrested the administration will not be able to control the protest rallies all over Pakistan. And if they kill me then there would be so many suicide attacks that it would surpass the reaction that followed the death of my brother, Abdul Rashid Ghazi,” that odious man, Abdul Aziz, threatened on Friday from inside his mosque.
Aziz was being honest. The political and military leadership knows that. That political and military leadership saw what happened after July 2007, when a wave of suicide bombings and fidayeen attacks that convulsed the country were traced back to anger over the Lal Masjid raid.
The political and military leadership knows it can happen again. The political and military leadership knows it can’t stop it from happening again. The political and military leadership does not want it to happen again, at least not on their watch.
Better then to keep Aziz onside, especially since he is willing to remain on the right side. Like so many in Punjab.
So it’s fear then? Weak leadership and a broken state? Not entirely.
Because you always have to wonder, of the men deployed to track Abdul Aziz’s ugly threats, how many are there to keep an eye on Aziz and how many to stand in prayer behind him?
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Hats off to Ms. C. Fair.Gerard wrote:Indeed. Shocking frankness. She didn't hold back at all.RajeshA wrote:Christine Fair has come some way from her statements of Indians supporting Baluchistanis using our embassies in Afghanistan. Very clear explanation of ISI thinking.
OT, but I think we have to understand that the British were going by their own experience in Europe when they determined that India would not last long as a single nation-state.shiv wrote:Pakistan has all the fissures that the British identified in India when they said India would not last long.
War on bad terror only? Wonder why pakis never ask such a question, after all it is the pakis who blame Afghans for giving sanctuary to Afghan Taliban.CRamS wrote:The Big Fight on UndY is worth a watch for the reason that the American govt mouthpiece on the panel was asked if US also makes the distinction between "good terrorists" (TSP pigLeTs that target India) and "bad terrorists" (those that target US and TSPA)
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bi ... sts/349254
On the flip side, Vikram let that Paki puke get away with Samjuatha instead of pointing out that it was a self goal by MMS, and UN in fact has named a Paki pigLeT as the master mind.
Fianlly, important question for us on BR. Brahma Chellaney claims that there has not been a single drone strike by US on Afghan Taliban sitting in Quetta and elsewhere. Is his claim true? Also, why would the US not press for Afghan Taliban GPS coordinates from ISI? This seems rather strange to me.
Perturbed over calling 26/11 Mumbai terror attack mastermind and JuD chief Hafiz Saeed as as 'sahib' by a UN Security Council panel, India will seek a clarification on it from the world body.
It is understood that the government will seek the clarification on the usage in the communication by Gary Quilan, the Chair of UN Security Council Committee, on December 17.
Quinlan made the reference to Saeed in the communication on information regarding banned terror organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba and Saeed pursuant to earlier UN resolutions concerning al-Qaida and associated individuals and entities.
Is this simply an excuse for not doing what they don't want to do anyway?“If I am arrested the administration will not be able to control the protest rallies all over Pakistan. And if they kill me then there would be so many suicide attacks that it would surpass the reaction that followed the death of my brother, Abdul Rashid Ghazi,” that odious man, Abdul Aziz, threatened on Friday from inside his mosque.
They're showing how they're united against the terror of the kaffir state. So?Anujan wrote:Remember all those articles about all of Pakistan being united against terror? Well this is the funeral of one of the taliban abduls who was hanged........
I know this isn't the Bojitiv thread, but that sort of stuff lends itself so beautifully to a 'translation'. As in:Hari Seldon wrote:Delightfully pious fjix textbook excerpt from the land of the purrie..............
Bhat ij Phijisex, i ask ju?
Munna Anwar, I am talking to ju! Stop dekhoing at Ayesha's beachy pottom! Bhat ij Phijisex? Now suno: The Almighty created this jahaan pillions of years ago aphter eating pindi chana, bith a single plast through hij Musharraf. (Bhat followed in solid form soon aphter waj the strategic mulk of Bakistan).
And so on..
Found on the web, provenance doubtful, hence TIFWIW.JE Menon wrote:Hari,
Is that really from a Pak physics textbook? Incredible...
PESHAWAR: Al-Qaida's regional branch on Sunday said its hearts were "bursting with pain" over the Taliban's massacre at a Pakistan school and urged the militants to target only security forces.
The attack on Tuesday killed 149 people - mostly children - in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar.
"Our hearts are bursting with pain and grief over this incident," Osama Mehmood, spokesman for al-Qaida South Asia chapter said in a four-page emailed statement.
"There is no doubt that the list of crimes and atrocities of the Pakistani army has crossed the limit and it is true that this army is ahead of everyone in America's slavery and genocide of Muslims ... but it does not mean that we should seek revenge from oppressed Muslims," Mehmood said.
"The guns that we have taken up against Allah's enemy America and its pet rulers and slave army should not be aimed towards children, women and our Muslim people," he added.
CheersISLAMABAD: Authorities made several arrests in the case of the Taliban school attack that killed 148 in the northwestern city of Peshawar, on Sunday, officials said.
Yusuf @YusufDFI 2h2 hours ago
Apt RT @TarekFatah: Pak lawyer who embraced & kissed an Islamist assassin, has been appointed as judge at High Court.
They did go straight to the auditorium. How did they know where to go? How did they know that a first aid class was being taught there and all the students would have gathered there? Add this to the info that the army abduls who were teaching first aid class there miraculously "escaped" the carnage while the nanha abduls were all killed. Probably some TFTAs chose to go the purer green way.The Pakistani Taliban said it targeted the sons of army officers with a hit list in the massacre of children at a Peshawar school as security officials said one of the deadliest terrorist strikes in the nation’s history was coordinated by militants based in Afghanistan.
“More than 50 sons of important army officers were killed after being identified,” the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, or TTP, said in an e-mailed statement yesterday. “The auditorium where students of secondary and higher secondary sections were being taught first aid was targeted.”
Man, this is better than Kanadian Vijja! #KissOfLovepankajs wrote:Yusuf @YusufDFI 2h2 hours ago
Apt RT @TarekFatah: Pak lawyer who embraced & kissed an Islamist assassin, has been appointed as judge at High Court.
pankajs wrote:Yusuf @YusufDFI 2h2 hours ago
Apt RT @TarekFatah: Pak lawyer who embraced & kissed an Islamist assassin, has been appointed as judge at High Court.
RajeshA Ji :RajeshA wrote:Man, this is better than Kanadian Vijja! #KissOfLove
One thing stood out though: there was no discussion of Punjab. It was not even mentioned. It was all TTP, Fata, KP, Karachi, Islamabad, bad militants, Afghan Taliban, Haqqanis even. But no Punjab.Perhaps propriety dictated that, given the host that afternoon is the king of Punjab. But the topic was terrorism and how to make Pakistan safe and the host had urged a frank discussion. So, at the end, after everyone had spoken and no one had mentioned Punjab, I asked the prime minister about his province.What’s the point in talking about militancy if the debate is limited to the fires that are already raging; what about Punjab, where everyone knows there’s a militancy presence bigger than Fata and KP combined and where the PML-N is known to be in bed with at least some militants?
That was the only time in those several hours that Nawaz became animated. He quickly and flatly denied any links between his party and Punjab-based militants and denied that Punjab has an outsize militancy problem. He didn’t need to.The few ministers in attendance leapt to their boss and their province’s defence. Not true. No terrorism in Punjab. No such thing. No understanding with any militant groups. It’s all a lie. Everyone else at that table knew they were lying, possibly to themselves, certainly to us.Another anecdote. From the Kayani era, an anecdote relevant still because it extends to the decisive, dashing Raheel era. The anecdote was narrated second-hand.Gen K had invited a small group of civilian security experts for a chat. They were there to talk about the counter-insurgency in Fata and the spillover into the cities. At some point, one of the participants asked the general about Punjab.Nothing you do in Fata or KP will matter as long as Punjab remains untouched, as long as Hafiz Saeed and his ilk are allowed to run around. The two zones are connected, you can’t fix one problem without addressing the other; why aren’t you dealing with Punjab, Gen K was asked.As he was inclined to do when asked a difficult question, Gen K puffed on his cigarette, said nothing for a while and then quietly turned to address someone else. After the meeting though, Gen K pulled aside his guest who had asked about Punjab.I was not avoiding your question, he said, I didn’t want to answer it in front of everyone else. Then, in typical Kayani style, he responded with a question of his own: do you want me to break the army, to fracture it by opening another front? I won’t allow that on my watch.Not on my watch. There it was, an honest answer, given in private, the same answer that Nawaz would probably give in a private, honest moment. Not on my watch.But things, awful, terrible things, do happen on their watch. We lived through one this week. Why, people ask, is that never enough to spur the political and military leadership into saying, enough. Never again. Not on my or anyone else’s watch.Because bad things happening does not mean worse cannot happen. What the people don’t know, the political and military leadership does: better — politically and militarily better — to deal with the bad than to have to deal with the worse.Most here have forgotten why Musharraf delayed action against Lal Masjid for six months in 2007 and what happened after the raid. Which is also why most here cannot understand why that odious man, Abdul Aziz, is allowed to mock the nation’s pain and threaten peaceful citizens gathered outside his mosque.
“If I am arrested the administration will not be able to control the protest rallies all over Pakistan. And if they kill me then there would be so many suicide attacks that it would surpass the reaction that followed the death of my brother, Abdul Rashid Ghazi,” that odious man, Abdul Aziz, threatened on Friday from inside his mosque.Aziz was being honest. The political and military leadership knows that. That political and military leadership saw what happened after July 2007, when a wave of suicide bombings and fidayeen attacks that convulsed the country were traced back to anger over the Lal Masjid raid.The political and military leadership knows it can happen again. The political and military leadership knows it can’t stop it from happening again. The political and military leadership does not want it to happen again, at least not on their watch.etter then to keep Aziz onside, especially since he is willing to remain on the right side. Like so many in Punjab.So it’s fear then? Weak leadership and a broken state? Not entirely.Because you always have to wonder, of the men deployed to track Abdul Aziz’s ugly threats, how many are there to keep an eye on Aziz and how many to stand in prayer behind him?
1) Watching this interview was like wrapping a soiled Bata slipper in a velvet cashmere shawl and slapping Pakistanis on their faces repeatedly.Gerard wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ah7oj5CmPo
Indeed. Shocking frankness. She didn't hold back at all.
Those who persecute Ahmedis, hound them and kill them because of their faith are also the same people. Sectarian differences may separate Mullah Fazlullah and Mumtaz Qadri but make no mistake, both are terrorists and any attempts to distinguish between the two, as is the pattern of Barelvi religious leaders, is also a fraud being played on us. In this, the leaders of the Barelvi sect are no less guilty than Maulvi Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid. Nor can we have two different standards for innocents in Peshawar and innocents in Mumbai. This should not be our narrative. We should never have produced Kasab and his kind. Kasab was just a boy though; his strings were held by others, others like Zakiur Rahman Lakhvi who are hardly concerned with emotional connections or indeed humanity. Meanwhile, Hafiz Saeed blamed India for Peshawar, he had to. It is a matter of bread and butter. Forget that Umar Khorasani had already jumped in to take the credit for it and has in fact misappropriated a hadith for this purpose. We all know what part of our society is incapable of calling a spade a spade. Tragically, you still find former generals and retired military officials defending Hafiz Saeed as a patriotic Pakistani citizen. Hafiz Saeed, Pakistan’s own Bhindrawala, has only served to weaken the Kashmir cause and bring down Pakistan’s prestige. He has discredited the freedom fighters in Kashmir as extremist terrorists. The legitimate Kashmiri case has been undermined not as much by India as it has been undermined by ‘patriots’ like Hafiz Saeed. Pakistanis should reject such patriots. Our military needs to make a clean break with these fogies.
MALSIAMABAD: Around 500 prisoners convicted on terrorism-related charges will be executed in the next two to three weeks, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan said on Sunday while sharing with the media details of a national action plan against terror.“The interior ministry has cleared these prisoners for execution and their mercy petitions have already been rejected by the president,” Nisar told a news conference in Islamabad.Nisar warned that the decision to execute convicted terrorists could have severe repercussions as suggested by intelligence reports. “But we should not let our guard down if we want to avenge the victims of the Peshawar attack… we are in a state of war,” he said. “We will win this war.”About the national action plan against terrorism, the minister said the civilian and military leadership would sit together on Tuesday to discuss the strategy being prepared by counter-terrorism experts and the National Action Plan Committee (NAPC) before giving a final nod for action to the armed forces.“The experts’ group will most probably give its recommendations to the NAPC on Monday [today],” he said. “The panel will then discuss the plan in the evening [on Monday].”
According to the minister, the experts received a briefing at the military headquarters and would continue their marathon meeting throughout Sunday night.
pankajs wrote:Where these folks preparing for Gazwa-e-Pind?CNN-IBN News @ibnlive 9m9 minutes ago Noida, Uttar Pradesh
Pakistan security forces nab over 300 terror suspects in Islamabad http://