Understanding US thread-III

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jan 2017 04:14

ranjan.rao wrote:hanumandu, they are selling their stuff not because we are buying them, I have seen the misuse up and close ..Indians being shortchanged (even IIMs/DSEs knowingly) shortchanged by fortune 100 companies, even when reasonably comparable level talent was available...why? coz the american will have 8 hour weekday and no weekends and SDRE will have nothing better to do even on weekends or might be motivated(read illusioned) to work for better career...this is similar to concept of competitive advantage in interest rate swaps ..the situation till now was that only..only thing was no one expected the great Drumph

I was waiting for this argument. So did sweat shops in China and elsewhere until recently. But they used the opportunity to climb up the economic chain. India is going through the same phase. I don't think things would change dramatically if 40 hour work week is strictly imposed in the US. There are plenty of Americans who work during the weekends.

In contrast off shore work seems to be a picnic. Most don't seem to work 20 hours even. If 40 hour work was imposed, more jobs would be outsourced.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jan 2017 04:16

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

One week and already this.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2017 04:20

basically brooding over ideas of removing him from office. Wet dream. ^

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2017 04:23

at this moment massive protest on going in London against Trump on Muslim ban with banners like #
'make women great again'
'balls to your walls'
'ban hate not muslims'

Mean while Theresa May will welcome Trump in London in spite of 1 million signature on petition.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2017 04:26

ha ha America in burqa

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jan 2017 04:34

KJo wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
My butt hurt is only because people like you are more MUTU and want to deny the same benefits to India and Indians that you enjoyed.
IT People in India have enjoyed for a long time. In many cases undeserving. Your calling me MUTU just reveals the fear in you. Just like some folks on the DeMo thread who actually had hoarded black money.

Now this is a chance to make things fair again for everybody. Let's see if the President screws it up or makes a success of it.

It is already fair now because India uses some of the proceeds of outsourcing to buy other stuff from the US. Its a quid pro quo. If US did not allow out sourcing, we would not be buying as much American equipment or buy from Russia or some body else. Where America is losing jobs in software (and I highly doubt it is losing any) it is gaining jobs else where. America introduced globalization to the world, so they better live with the consequences. If they want to opt out, fine as long as they don't come crying to the rest of the world at some later stage.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 05:09

AFAIK, I don't think DT or his gang of chimps has said anything against IT or desis. It is well-recognized that IT-software is basically a growth industry that would not survive without the global food chain. Otherwise it would be a few hackers writing code for a few machines at high wages, but the whole industry would not be 1/10000 of its present size. That is not to say that there won't be many idiots spewing hate against desis.

Also, actually offshoring present operations incl. software is just poor corporate management/ failure to have innovation and growth. There is no need for this zero-sum game in IT-related industry. There are infinite opportunities for new products and services.

Unlike cars, tractors, condoms etc. which can only be sold in very finite numbers. Per CNN today the problem is robots. But someone has to invent, improve, program and build the robots, and there is unlimited growth in that too.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 05:12

Details from the U.S. State Department
regarding the President’s Executive Order.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 05:15

Next up from the 'Zee's cage:
Trump pledges to 'do a big number' on Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform

saip · Post by **saip** » 31 Jan 2017 05:58

Acting Attorney General says won't defend Trump's immigration order. Until Sessions takes over she is in charge. Another Saturday Night's massacre in the offing?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/ ... index.html

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 31 Jan 2017 06:12

UlanBatori wrote:Next up from the 'Zee's cage:
Trump pledges to 'do a big number' on Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform

Another boom (DOW @ 40000) and bust on the way?

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 31 Jan 2017 06:19

^ Shows who Trump really is beholden to. Like all his predecessors he is also beholden to the big banks and corporates. Another 2008 in the making. I guess this time there will be nothing left of this nation for any immigrants to come into.

komal · Post by **komal** » 31 Jan 2017 06:31

amitkv wrote:^ Shows who Trump really is beholden to. Like all his predecessors he is also beholden to the big banks and corporates. Another 2008 in the making. I guess this time there will be nothing left of this nation for any immigrants to come into.

The similarity to Nehru's policies is amazing. The big banks cannot compete without massive government support. Even the minimal support that is taken away by Dodd-Frank (use your own capital not insured deposits for trading) is too much for these dinosaurs.

Trump will make sure that the taxpayer subsidizes their losses -- and his minions will laugh at people driving BMWs

komal · Post by **komal** » 31 Jan 2017 06:33

UlanBatori wrote:AFAIK, I don't think DT or his gang of chimps has said anything against IT or desis.

They actually hate to see any non-white being happy.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 31 Jan 2017 06:38

Ya, the next crash won't be pretty - probably the last one, and a reboot sets in. Not before some kind of mega global fireworks is my guess.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 31 Jan 2017 06:46

Acting Attorney General Orders Justice Dept. Not to Defend Refugee Ban

Mr. Trump has the authority to fire Ms. Yates, but as the top Senate-confirmed official at the Justice Department, she is the only one authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants, an essential function at the department.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jan 2017 06:49

Cain Marko wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Next up from the 'Zee's cage:
Trump pledges to 'do a big number' on Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform
Another boom (DOW @ 40000) and bust on the way?

We are already in a boom, but we want a bigger boom.

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 31 Jan 2017 06:51

^

^^ Reminds me of a joke by a black comedian (Dave Chappelle?) which goes something like, All white people are pissed because they are not getting jobs. Blacks are not angry cause they never had any jobs to begin with.

Chinese took the working class manufacturing jobs and now Indians and others are stealing the white collar jobs. This whole charade of cheap labour/lower paid immigrant depressing US wages is just a smokescreen for keeping USA a white majority nation with all good jobs reserved for them. Having worked at various US companies and locations I can say with confidence that African Americans/Latinos and other ethnicities are virtually absent from the work force. Chinese and Indians through their smarts and hard work have climbed up the ladder and as they say nobody likes competition.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 06:56

komal wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:AFAIK, I don't think DT or his gang of chimps has said anything against IT or desis.
They actually hate to see any non-white being happy.

But, to repeat, AFAIK, I don't think DT or his gang of chimps has said anything against IT or desis. In which case, the prejudiced ones are elsewhere....

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jan 2017 07:05

komal wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:AFAIK, I don't think DT or his gang of chimps has said anything against IT or desis.
They actually hate to see any non-white being happy.

All this anguish against h1s and outsourcing is because the beneficiaries are not white. And brown people who are already past the h1 also are afraid of losing their jobs to outsourcing.
Are the white folks still crying about their jobs being lost to Injuns even in a boom phase? Or are they waiting for the next bust?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 07:18

its a myth the chinese have not taken white collar jobs - in fact the "damage" they have done to amrika in that dept is far more permanent - they have cos like huawei and zte for example with lakhs of employees who will easily match the colony of H1 workers around 300k over there and being product cos based in cheen these are well paying jobs which will never be replaced by amirkhan workers unlike the h1s who can be targeted anytime anywhere.
take the engineering aspects of shipbuilding and automotive industry , COMAC , consumer electronics , industrial electronics, chemicals, metals there are millions of white collar jobs attached into blue collar manufacturing and its all in china

if people had cared to look around in engineering college there are about 15 other departments outside of EECS

composite national power of a nation is based on excellence in all depts of STEM - not selective peaks . we struggle with engines or medical equipments because we dont get the best talent in such depts staying in the field due to lack of domestic champions and investment.

jaago bhailog jaago - propagating the myth of indians stealing white collar jobs just hurts indians while cheen smiles and eats all the kheer

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jan 2017 07:23

The actions of the Acting AG are quite sad and speaks volumes to the level the Alt left has going to deny the DT admin have its say in the affairs. It will only ensure that DT's crazy theories get more legitimacy in the eyes of his vote base.

He needs to fire her and anyone who does not defend his executive orders. Otherwise, this will only encourage further political plays by leftist lawyers. In the meanwhile, Obomber is back being critical on this orders.

komal · Post by **komal** » 31 Jan 2017 07:28

Yagnasri wrote:The actions of the Acting AG are quite sad and speaks volumes to the level the Alt left has going to deny the DT admin have its say in the affairs. It will only ensure that DT's crazy theories get more legitimacy in the eyes of his vote base.

He needs to fire her and anyone who does not defend his executive orders. Otherwise, this will only encourage further political plays by leftist lawyers. In the meanwhile, Obomber is back being critical on this orders.

Yes -- the brave man of Twitter who doesn't have the courage to offend Pakistan and KSA needs to prove his cajones by firing an Acting Attorney General.

DT is protecting Americans by making sure the citizens of KSA and Pakistan have unimpaired access to the USA,

I wonder if the laughter at ISI HQ has stopped?

saip · Post by **saip** » 31 Jan 2017 07:36

Surprising that DT never consulted the Justice Dept about exec order. Too late now and the damage is done. Tomorrow Sessions will be grilled about this order. I wonder if Democrats think it is important enough to filibuster. DT can wait for Sessions or fire her. Then the next one? (that was my ref to Satur(MON)day Night Massacre. His tweet left us in suspense.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jan 2017 07:45

The list of 7 nations seems to be prepared by Obomber Admin and Zee jumped on it without a second thought. In respect of the firing, I am certain that is what any reasonable admin with doing when their lawyers act in this way.

With regard to SA and Pakis, we have no expectations from DT or any US admin on that. Zee may be better than HC for India, but that is yet to be proven and being better than HC is almost nothing.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 07:51

My concern was more about HiC's sidee Kaine. But returning to the Justice Dept, what happens to the cases filed if the JD is not going to defend? Don't the cases automatically get decided for the plaintiff? Seems like if the plaintiff's lawyers are smart they should go all-out to press for decisions. If that happens Sessions' gang will find it difficult to walk back those decisions, and I wonder about the "precedent" effect on future cases. All in all, tamasha onlee. Is the Acting AG a herrowine of Constitutional Justice or a pompous political gasbag, I wonder. Also what happens to JD lawyers who may ignore her orders?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jan 2017 07:53

UlanBatori wrote:
komal wrote: They actually hate to see any non-white being happy.
But, to repeat, AFAIK, I don't think DT or his gang of chimps has said anything against IT or desis. In which case, the prejudiced ones are elsewhere....

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/ ... ic-society

In an interview last year with Donald Trump -- that The Washington Post resurfaced yesterday -- Breitbart News Network's executive chairman, Steve Bannon, suggested that there are too many asian CEOs in Silicon Valley. "He alluded to the idea that foreign students should return to their respective countries after attending school in the U.S., instead of sticking around and working at or starting tech companies," writes Ashley Carman via
The Verge:
Trump voiced concern over these students attending Ivy League schools and then going home: "We have to be careful of that, Steve. You know, we have to keep our talented people in this country," Trump said. When asked if he agreed, Bannon responded: "When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think [...]" he didn't finish his sentence. "A country is more than an economy. We're a civic society." While Bannon didn't explicitly say anything against immigrants, he seemed to hint at the idea of a white nationalist identity with the phrase "civic society."
The Huffington Post makes note of a May 2015 study in its report, which "found that 27 percent of professionals working in Silicon Valley companies were Asian or Asian-American. They represented less than 19 percent of managers and under 14 percent of executives, according to the report."

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jan 2017 07:53

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .zcp4mcnf1
Trial balloon for a coup!

A cogently written CT.

PS:

6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.

Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”

Conclusive? No. But it raises some very interesting questions for journalists to investigate.

habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2017 07:55

acting attny gnl fired by Trump.

habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2017 07:57

New 'acting attorney gen' is appointed. Her/him/it's name is Dana Boente.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 07:57

this alt-left bagawat within the admin had to be crushed and he is doing it.

not a man to shy away from confrontation is DT

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 08:00

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
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The Democrats are delaying my cabinet picks for purely political reasons. They have nothing going but to obstruct. Now have an Obama A.G.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jan 2017 08:05

habal wrote:acting attny gnl fired by Trump.

Idiots allowed him to say - You are fired.

komal · Post by **komal** » 31 Jan 2017 08:09

Singha wrote:this alt-left bagawat within the admin had to be crushed and he is doing it.

not a man to shy away from confrontation is DT

On Twitter yes.

KSA/Pakistan -- well, that is another story. he will show them a befitting reply

on Twitter.

habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2017 08:12

Singha wrote:this alt-left bagawat within the admin had to be crushed and he is doing it.

not a man to shy away from confrontation is DT

he is a 70 yr-old billionaire. No fear whatsoever.

I really think he will drain the swamp.

komal · Post by **komal** » 31 Jan 2017 08:17

habal wrote:
Singha wrote:this alt-left bagawat within the admin had to be crushed and he is doing it.

not a man to shy away from confrontation is DT
he is a 70 yr-old billionaire. No fear whatsoever.

I really think he will drain the swamp.

He showed no fear when avoided putting KSA and Pakistan on the exclusion list. Such courage. Such determination. And he said nasty things about PRC on Twitter. So there!

saip · Post by **saip** » 31 Jan 2017 08:19

The four Fed Judges who granted stay are ALL women and the Acting AG fired by DT also a woman. Women DO NOT like DT!

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 31 Jan 2017 08:28

komal wrote:The similarity to Nehru's policies is amazing. The big banks cannot compete without massive government support. Even the minimal support that is taken away by Dodd-Frank (use your own capital not insured deposits for trading) is too much for these dinosaurs.

Trump will make sure that the taxpayer subsidizes their losses -- and his minions will laugh at people driving BMWs

Yes, the scales have certainly fallen ! Who would have thought that this team packed with billionaires is actually Nehruvian socialist..one learns something new everyday.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 31 Jan 2017 08:32

America is going to be snow white soon.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/th ... .tqpO4jWXa

Bannon: One thing I want to make sure of, if you look at the leaders of capitalism at that time, when capitalism was I believe at its highest flower and spreading its benefits to most of mankind, almost all of those capitalists were strong believers in the Judeo-Christian West. They were either active participants in the Jewish faith, they were active participants in the Christians’ faith, and they took their beliefs, and the underpinnings of their beliefs was manifested in the work they did. And I think that’s incredibly important and something that would really become unmoored. I can see this on Wall Street today — I can see this with the securitization of everything is that, everything is looked at as a securitization opportunity. People are looked at as commodities. I don’t believe that our forefathers had that same belief.

To be truthful, he might not be so bad for America in general and white christian america in particular. He will probably cut down US spending, cut down deficits, overseas deployments. Now only if he could make privileged american kids to take a book and read.

What is this Judeo Christian West? They never got along. The christians persecuted Jews every chance they got and still do. Poor jews, they have either to contend with muslims with liberal govts or with fundamentalist christians.

habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2017 08:50