2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
Since the set up and governance has a international presence and courses offered are varied, will the same Hijab to Nikab to Burqa crop up there as well given the presence of commies and RJD in Bihar

[chetak]

Chetakji
Since the set up and governance has a international presence and courses offered are varied, will the same Hijab to Nikab to Burqa crop up there as well given the presence of commies and RJD in Bihar

everyone, including jnu seems to have learned lessons from the jnu modeled sort of corrosive institutions.

sure, there will be the few disruptive hijabi/nakabi/burki types but hopefully, there will be greater scrutiny and discretion over staff recruitments and enough of a healthy balance will be maintained to ward off evil takeovers like what happened in IIT madras

the reign of the state funded commie cryptos and BIF ideology pushers is getting marginalized and many a hungry porcine snout has been banished from the public trough.

bihar being bihar, "students unions" should be handled with a heavy stick and hostel fees, the university "social services" like canteens should be commercially viable and strict control over "overnight guests" and forty year old PhD "students" permanently resident in hostels should be enforced.

[Cyrano]

Quite a unique, if somewhat strange architecture.
Is the new campus built on the historic site or on a new site?

[SriKumar]

Quite a unique, if somewhat strange architecture.
Is the new campus built on the historic site or on a new site?

I hope it is a new site . Could not confirm but the location appears to be in the same town Rajgir. The architecture shows a brick facade that stays true to the original design from 6th century. It covers the actual structure which is like any other modern building made of concrete.

[sanjaykumar]

It’s Cyclopean architecture from unknown Kadath.

I kinda like it.

[rsingh]

Great. But we need IIT type entrance compitition and words best teachers there. Otherwise it will be commi hub.

[vijayk]

[Deans]

Great. But we need IIT type entrance compitition and words best teachers there. Otherwise it will be commi hub.

Yes, my fear is that it will become another JNU.

[Sachin]

what about keshdhari sikhs

the point is that the turban, patka, and kada are part of their religious mandate.

The moot question is whether all this is an essential part of the religion. For Sikhs; the turban etc are an essential part. That has been the case ever since that religion was formed. Where as hijab etc were never essential for Muslims. The advocate for hijabis could only say that girls covering their heads is requried in Islam. That kind of covering can be even done by using shawls/duppattas. And that was how it was done in India before Arab-isation set in.

[madhu]

what about keshdhari sikhs

Even though sword is an essential part of sikh religion are they allowed into the school? turban is not essential part of Sikh but it is kesh. u need turban to protect the kesh. any sikh can enlighten me if i am wrong.

Hijab Row: PIL In Supreme Court Seeks Common Dress Code In Educational Institutions

"The Petitioner has submitted that educational institutions are secular public places and are meant to impart knowledge and wisdom employment, good health and contribute to nation building, not to follow essential and non-essential religious practices." the PIL states

According to the petitioner, It is very essential to introduce a Common Dress Code in all Schools-Colleges to preserve the secular character of educational institutions, otherwise tomorrow Naga Sadhus may take admission in colleges and attend the class without clothes citing essential religiou

This is what we want to stop. India is so diverse and each religion and set has different un-documented practice that you cant go on accommodating each and everything in SCHOOL. More over what are we going to teach unadulterated minds of kids by allowing hijab/burka or any such religious attire? if we want to build secular tolerant society then, we need to be intolerant to such divisive practices. no one is stopping them not to wear shuttle-cock burka... only thing is as are asking to follow uniform in SCHOOLs. will the same maulana allow saffron sare girl in madrasa? or if based on a hadith we need to ask burka to Muslim girls will court also hear the petition on

arfan p930 ‘Abdallah b. Mas'ud said :
God has cursed the women who tattoo and the women who have themselves tattooed, the women who pluck hairs from their faces and who make spaces between their teeth for beauty, changing what God has created. When a woman came and told him she had heard he had cursed such and such he asked why he should not curse those whom God’s messenger had cursed and those who were mentioned in God’s Book. She told him she had read it from cover to cover and had not found in it what he had been saying, to which he replied that if she had read it she would have found it, and asked her whether she had not read, “What the apostle has brought you accept, and what he has forbidden you refrain from.” (Qur’an, 59, 7). On her replying that she had, he said he had forbidden what he had been talking about.
(Bukhari and Muslim.)

Mishkat al-Masabih 4431

where does this stupidity end?

[chetak]

what about keshdhari sikhs

the point is that the turban, patka, and kada are part of their religious mandate.

The moot question is whether all this is an essential part of the religion. For Sikhs; the turban etc are an essential part. That has been the case ever since that religion was formed. Where as hijab etc were never essential for Muslims. The advocate for hijabis could only say that girls covering their heads is requried in Islam. That kind of covering can be even done by using shawls/duppattas. And that was how it was done in India before Arab-isation set in.

Sachin ji,

what you say is a 100% right but unfortunately, that is not how it's going to play out..

But, these finer points of distinction are not going to sway the puncherwallas

The KAR govt has stepped on a landmine.

There are nationwide reverberations with international repercussions in terms of bad mouthing of the majority and the Modi govt.

https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/jamaat- ... extremism/

and also some ameriki ahole who styles himself as "ambassador at large" has weighed in along with the taliban and many kanedians.

the hijab protests along with the free publicity that is so willingly being provided by the sold out presstitutes are now being seen as a strategic move by the pfi and jamaat-e-hind to recruit and radicalize young muslims (mostly women) into the movement. These women were mostly just passive onlookers so far.

Don't miss the fact that this is happening in the south which has been relatively quiet so far as regards the jehadi cult penetration, minus KER of course

Such recruitment drives are obviously illegal were they to be presented as such but the excuse to protest publicly and draw attention to their jehadi cause is a well thought out way to increase their membership and ensure that brainwashed jehadis are freely available as future cannon fodder

This also is a strong bid by the ummah to occupy and dominate the socio political space vacated by the congis before anyone else makes the move. pappu and pappi are seen as spent forces and with them neutered the marginalization of the congis is certain. Also, shaheenbagh hotheads have forced the ummah to reveal their hand much earlier than they intended to and now it looks like they have dynamically adapted and changed horses midstream and are going all out to gain political space and with it have a significant say in setting the narrative. owaisi's statement that a hijabi will be the PM soon is not so much a threat/warning/hope but the unfolding of a venomous game plan

this is not going to end well in the short to medium term

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
I sometimes wonder why the BJP's second string leaders keep stepping on the 'dog-turd' all the time
Lack of common sense or too much of Jai Sri Ram or plain dumb
What is that margadarshak mandal doing
Why cant we have some semblance of guidance to stop these stepping on 'Anti-personal mines'

[Sachin]

The way the hijab case is going on, looks like the Islamists are going get their demands met. From Bar & Bench. The state government's pleaders don't even seem to be arguing .

[Cyrano]

If we dont step on such mines doesnt mean they aren't being laid all the time. I think the reaction of bhagwa gamcha youth in KA was required. It has the merit of not allowing the creation new "status quos" by one community due to lack of response. Local leaders have carefully avoided getting drawn into tit for tat violence even when they were pelted with stones.

Videos have surfaced of namaz in schools, earlier there was an illegal mosque in Blr railway station, Jinnah tower in Guntur, so many instances of laying green chadar on a mound and grabbing land etc...

A few years ago they would have passed quietly, but no longer. So expect reactions from minority community and be prepared to deal with it as per law. If you allow walkovers, you'll only get trampled.

[Sachin]

I think the reaction of bhagwa gamcha youth in KA was required.

Some journalists were also mentioning that this time around it was youth from other wise Congress party fan families who started wearing the bhagwa gamcha. This "on your face" religious aggression from Muslims is slowly making even fence sitters now take a firm stand.

Videos have surfaced of namaz in schools, earlier there was an illegal mosque in Blr railway station, Jinnah tower in Guntur,

Exactly. The illegal mosque @ Bangalore RS is now changed back to the porter's room. Jinnah Tower is now getting painted in tri color; because looks like there is a fear that the tower may also go the Babari Masjid way. So yes a lot of other wise silent spectators are now coming out into the open and protesting against the so called one-sided twisted way of Indian secularism.

[chetak]

Chetakji
I sometimes wonder why the BJP's second string leaders keep stepping on the 'dog-turd' all the time
Lack of common sense or too much of Jai Sri Ram or plain dumb
What is that margadarshak mandal doing
Why cant we have some semblance of guidance to stop these stepping on 'Anti-personal mines'

the trap was baited and laid in a place that no one suspected, least of all the jokers whose knee jerk reaction precipitated this issue.

The indications are that this plan was going on for the past many months with active aid from some saudi organizations who funded, fuelled, and lit the fire.

so much for the state intelligence services who are all engaged in giving reports about which dumbass party hopping "leader" spoke to which opposition party and who has paid how much to whom and what dilli is doing about our cabinet berths and why ATM portfolios are not given to us.

It is the job of these agencies to keep track, especially in a volatile, potentially explosive, and sensitive region like north KAR.

The instigators are mostly from KER and everyone knows their agenda. The right wingers are living in a fools paradise thinking that they have achieved nirvana by cobbling up a corrupt team in KAR, a team that is openly in the game just for the moolah. The north, at least has some elements of ideology attached to the right wing, as evidenced by folks like YA and khattar

[Cyrano]

Taquiyya modus operandi is this:
Step 1: Do something to expand your societal influence and power projection (from a legitimate point of locus standii or even when there is none) a bit and see if there is a reaction. If there isn't any or any substantial reaction, keep doing it and claim a precedent.

The example of namaz in public parks in Gurugram is perfect illustration of this. They got exceptional police permission for one or two fridays in one place. They continued in those places even after and extended to other places. When confronted, claimed that they had full police permission.

Only when opposing groups continued to oppose, escalated the issue, involved police, govt, media and kept the pressure on for a few days it stopped.

Step 2: When such taquiyaa is exposed, claim victimhood, say things can go out of control. Threaten violence. Start negotiations asking for pacifier where none are justified. File a case to prevent decisive action by administration. Play political parties against each other.

Those fellas in Gurugram then started whining we have workers coming from all over and they have no place to pray. Where should they go? Implying its the govt's responsibility to provide places of worship for minorities and since they haven't done so, they are justified in occupying parks. So give us land, money, permissions to build a mosque or else we'll continue our (illegal) activity. But didn't work because Step 1 was dealt with effectively.

Step 3: If that also fails, look for any excuse to create violence. Do massive shows of strength. Bring burqa clad women on to the street in numbers, as a shield. Try to provoke it, doesnt matter if it costs a few shaheeds among your own in the process. To calm the violence, concessions will be made, the legitimacy of the original claim will be irrelevant by that point. Lot of instances over the years.

A vigilant society will deal with the matter in Step 1. Thats what we saw in KA. Makes step 2 and Step 3 harder. Thats the slowly emerging trend we are seeing now. Good to restore balance in the society.

Once can of course fear that Step 3 will be brought forward. Yes there is a risk, but if the society does nothing fearing Step 3, then we will have to live in an imbalanced society where restoring balance will be come harder and harder, and some day, impossible.

[madhu]

The way the hijab case is going on, looks like the Islamists are going get their demands met. From Bar & Bench. The state government's pleaders don't even seem to be arguing .

even i am confused. it is getting relayed directly on youtube. I am not understanding what is Karnataka AG doing. I feel all the Ex-Mulsim channels are arguing on Hijab way better than AG.

[Sachin]

I am not understanding what is Karnataka AG doing. I feel all the Ex-Mulsim channels are arguing on Hijab way better than AG.

Looks like AG etc. will start their arguments only tomorrow. Today's hearing is concluded. Also an advocate from Kerala; Kaleeshwaram Raj also is requesting to join this case (with his own arguments).

[chetak]

and right on cue: tehreek-e-taliban India emerges, complete with twitter account et al and claiming to be

the account is dilli based, and written in pashto.

it claims that it is meant for muzlime scholars, and thousands of Indians / cashmeris have already joined it

More food aid is to be sent ASAP

[Cyrano]

The bench was quite strict, not allowing specious arguments from Kamat, who must have gotten pretty hot under the collar. I don't see him making much headway. Caught in the triangle I posted before, unable to break through. Bench said anyone pleading must bring additional points, not repeat earlier arguments.

If AG doesnt mess up, they seem to be in a decent position to defend.

[kit]

https://www.firstpost.com/world/the-usu ... 72271.html

The answer, my friend, as Bob Dylan once put it, is blowin’ in the wind. There is a narrative, and it reaches a cacophony of hysteria whenever there are elections in India, because the intent is to rally the faithful against the allegedly fascist BJP: “The Mudi sud rejine.” Well, elections in Uttar Pradesh have begun, so you can expect the baying to reach a crescendo soon. UP, they well know, is the prize. If they can defeat the BJP there, suddenly Modi is vulnerable.

UP shows a dramatic contrast exists between the utter fecklessness of the Congress years, and the tremendous improvement in the Yogi years: In law and order, in infrastructure, in how suddenly the state is a power to reckon with in its state GDP and industrial prowess.

[kit]

Why does the twitter account of Redfish say its Russia state-affiliated media?

https://twitter.com/redfishstream

while its actual website is based in Germany and makes none of those assertions?

https://redfish.media/contact/

My assertion is that its likely CIA sponsored

[Ambar]

Chetakji
I sometimes wonder why the BJP's second string leaders keep stepping on the 'dog-turd' all the time
Lack of common sense or too much of Jai Sri Ram or plain dumb
What is that margadarshak mandal doing
Why cant we have some semblance of guidance to stop these stepping on 'Anti-personal mines'

Said the same thing few pages ago but someone brought digambar monks into the argument ! I hail from a town a mere 30 kms from where this all started and have been to Udupi multiple times on work and for functions the last few weeks, everyone including bjp karyakartas were confused when this controversy first started. Some even suspected if the college principal is a Congressi who wanted to kick off a controversy right before the elections. This case is legally shaky at best but was a great opportunity for the government to drive a similar bargain for hindu students who are routinely harassed and humiliated in Christian run institutes for wearing anything remotely resembling hindu identity. The principal of the Udupi college laid a landmine and everyone from your local hindu sena activist to BJP cabinet minister gleefully stepped on it.

Whatever one's opinion about this controversy but one thing is clear that hindus are very easily divided. When the hijab or violence by shantidoots is brought up in parties or in personal conversations, many hindus are openly in favor of shantidoot's point of view, and this in the same town that kicked off this whole argument. Also, just this morning the local newspapers had front page coverage of prominent GSB gurus (gowda saraswat brahmin) who have either held press conferences or issued statements defending Devadutt Kamat and his defense of the hijabis. Why ? Because Devadatt Kamat belongs to the GSB community ! Like someone said, for hindus, their interest in defending dharma begins and ends with their caste and their awareness does not stretch more than 20 kms from their homes ! No wonder it was so easy for so many external powers to invade and subjugate us for over 1000 yrs.

[Prem Kumar]

I beg to disagree, Chetak.

For once, there is street level action by both boy & girl Hindu students. They are showing leadership, which is a rare commodity among the majority population. If this continues, the majority sheep will be jolted into action.

Islam will keep pushing the sword till they meet steel. In this case, they did encounter stell. So,they are into the typical good cop/bad cop mode of street-violence + my-rights-victimhood. This incident has a side effect of consolidating Hindu votes in the elections. This is usually harder to achieve than the Muslim consolidation. So, I am thankful that this happened.

Its time we stopped walking on egg-shells, thinking "is this a landmine or is that a landmine?"

An ounce of street-power is worth a pound of analysis

[chetak]

The bench was quite strict, not allowing specious arguments from Kamat, who must have gotten pretty hot under the collar. I don't see him making much headway. Caught in the triangle I posted before, unable to break through. Bench said anyone pleading must bring additional points, not repeat earlier arguments.

If AG doesnt mess up, they seem to be in a decent position to defend.

Cyrano ji,

So what if anyone wins/loses the case, it doesn't matter in the least. The situation will continue as before, the result of case notwithstanding. What will any court do then, except possibly recusing and departing the jung ka maidan

special interest groups simply ignore so many court judgments and no copper will dare touch them but the little guy on the street cannot afford to do so because of the colonial rent seeking cops who get legal erections when they so officiously revel in putting down the little guys.

they will wear whatever and forcibly try to enter public institutions, and a pliant and presstitute media, both national and international, will rip apart the BJP which is damned if they do and doubly condemned if they don't.

the battle has been won even by the hijabis even before it began, free worldwide publicity, ameriki govt openly in their favor, and the wokes rejoicing

one side is wide awake and raring to go, intent on grabbing what is not theirs, what was never their in the first place, while the other is still in deep slumber and it hasn't woken up for centuries. Their solution has always been migration for the upper middle classes and the elites while the lower middles and the almost invisible lower classes are condemned to eke out existences that barely meet their needs and their migration is to hellholes either in the "gelf" or hellholes in other states where they are again marginalized and exploited.

truly, there is no understanding of the term shatru bodh or even the faintest sense of the shatru. This is a fundamental survival mechanism, sorely lacking in a laid back and passive culture along with the absent killer instinct that is so essential for any civilization to survive, prosper and flourish. Personal valor apart, one unilaterally "forgiving" prithviraj chauhan was all it took to change the very course of our history. How did he fail to recognize his shatru, and what did he gain by doing what he did ..... did he not see the arms carried by the people who attacked

the brainwashing of the Indian majority by a self aggrandizing, utterly selfish, and pacifist pope of peace is now complete. He, not willing to die but repeatedly advises and insists that others sacrifice themselves to appease some demands of the godfather of evil. our history is replete with pacifists like ashoka, in whom great pride is reposed, even today but, as usual, we fail to see what he actually was.

[chetak]

I beg to disagree, Chetak.

For once, there is street level action by both boy & girl Hindu students. They are showing leadership, which is a rare commodity among the majority population. If this continues, the majority sheep will be jolted into action.

Islam will keep pushing the sword till they meet steel. In this case, they did encounter stell. So,they are into the typical good cop/bad cop mode of street-violence + my-rights-victimhood. This incident has a side effect of consolidating Hindu votes in the elections. This is usually harder to achieve than the Muslim consolidation. So, I am thankful that this happened.

Its time we stopped walking on egg-shells, thinking "is this a landmine or is that a landmine?"

An ounce of street-power is worth a pound of analysis

Prem Kumar ji,

I agree that some pushback has started but we need to pick our battles tactically and strategically, and not get trapped in some well planned narrative of another's making.

this was a triggered event that elicited the expected knee jerk response.

we need to make the politicians understand that there is no such thing as selective or preferential secularism.

For everyone, it's all or nothing, as far as secularism and rule of law is concerned

YA seems to have got it right as far as appeasement goes.

[vimal]

I
Islam will keep pushing the sword till they meet steel. In this case, they did encounter stell. So,they are into the typical good cop/bad cop mode of street-violence + my-rights-victimhood. This incident has a side effect of consolidating Hindu votes in the elections.

This reminded me of an oft overlooked historical fact that Ummah had better steel weapons than Europeans for a long time, which hastened their conquests. The steel was supplied by Indians.

[Cyrano]

Chetak ji,
No one from the petitioner's case is saying "whatever the court judgement is, we will abide by it". Which clearly indicates that if they lose the case, they intend to agitate to get the rules changed, or set aside explicitly or tacitly.

But all the same, winning this case is important. When you're trying to box an octopus, plugging every hole is important, it will try to squeeze through some other way, but if you keep at it, over a period it will get contained.

Pakis, amreekis, Turdistanis, bideshi media, peacefuls, pacifists etc can scream all they want. Bharat doesnt really care.

Whats critical to note is that peaceful counter protests from bhagwa side have been allowed to happen by the police under THIS govt. Seeing this strong reaction, some people chickened from immediate confrontation and a court case was quickly filed. Imagine the same situation in some WB type state? There would have been riots, people dead and all counter protests would have been crushed by the police as per orders from a anti-hindu govt.

Takeaway: Though we all may not like everything BJP does, its important to vote them into power. And its important to put pressure on BJP to deliver on Dharmic agenda and put strong Dharmic leaders in positions like CM.

[chetak]

ISI behind K’taka hijab row, fuels radicalisation in southern States: Experts

ISI behind K’taka hijab row, fuels radicalisation in southern States: Experts


Sunday, 13 February 2022
Rakesh K Singh, New Delhi

The Karnataka hijab controversy is a "creation of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI)". The ISI’s radicalistion project to fuel trouble in the South Indian State was underway for over a month through the Barre Sagher movement of the Al Qaeda that has recruited a large number of radical Muslim clerics, mostly in southern States to radicalize community youth, said experts tracking terrorism and radicalization in the Indian Subcontinent.

Incidentally, the Taliban has also launched a proactive global hijab movement to coincide with the events in Karnataka in order to give a voice to the Muslim women to insist on wearing the Islamic dress in educational institutions.

ISI’s terror cohorts like Lashkar-e-Tayabba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) managed to shoot a video of burqa burning by Tajik-origin minor Afghan girls on January 3 and this video clip was widely circulated in Pakistan through various local WhatsApp groups to portray the same as an incident recorded in India.

Subsequently, Anas Haqqani, head of the Pakistan-backed Haqqani Network, launched a campaign for making Hijab compulsory after the Pakistani propaganda. Pakistani media outlets are also playing up the incident widely to portray India in bad light and give Islamabad the opportunity to rake up the issue at multilateral fora like the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and United Nations (UN).

To give credence to the ISI propaganda and insidious design, the Pakistan government on Wednesday summoned the Indian Charge d'affaires in Islamabad on Wednesday to convey grave concern and condemnation of the “deeply reprehensible act” in Karnataka.

“Both the gullible young Muslim students as well as the right wing youth groups fell into the Pakistani trap inadvertently and out of ignorance are pitted against one another. Unfortunately, even a large section of the mainstream media is also playing into the Pakistani agenda by not portraying the issue in proper perspective,” counter-terrorism expert Dr Rituraj Mate said. The Barre Sagheer movement of the Al Qaeda is being patronized by the Imran Khan regime in Pakistan as part of the ongoing Pakistan military-ISI complex of perpetrating low intensity conflicts (LIC) through innovative but radical measures to destablise India, both on the political as well as economic fronts, Dr Mate said.

The poster girl of the hijab movement Bibi Muskan Khan, a second-year commerce student at PES College of Arts, Science and Commerce, Mandya, Karnataka is on record praising the college management saying nobody from the educational institution administration has asked her to remove her hijab.

“My principal is with me, my lecturers are with me. Nobody has ever asked me to remove my hijab. They were asking me to come to college as usual. They are protecting me,” Muskan has reportedly said.

On Tuesday, Muskan arrived at her college gates wearing a hijab and burqa but she was stopped by a group of men who demanded that she remove the Islamic dress. She, however, did not budge and entered the college as usual retorting, “Allah Hu Akbar” in response to Jai Shri Ram chants by the group opposing her.

Muskan has herself said she did not recognize the youth group that heckled her, terming them as “outsiders”, not from her college.

But her position is not being widely circulated in the media, complicating the relationship between students of various religious denominations.

The Pakistani media is selectively playing the alleged heckling story without projecting the incident in complete perspective as part of its dubious designs to malign India.

Karnataka Education Minister BC Nagesh has said Campus Front of India, the student wing of the radical group Popular Front of India is behind the hijab controversy in the State.

The hijab issue has also reached the Karnataka High Court seeking adjudication on the “right” of wearing hijab on the educational campuses in the State.

The Barre Sagheer movement was launched in 2008-09 by Al Qaeda in collusion with the ISI in anticipation of the withdrawal of foreign forces from Afghanistan sooner or later. It has been operational in India for the past over four years.

The Barre Sagheer movement’s objective was to identify like-minded outfits of clerics and bring them under one umbrella to ramp up radicalization and subsequently create Taliban-like movements in the South Asian region, initially through a network of over ground sympathisers and subsequently through radical movements.

The other objective was to elicit a united voice of these outfits of clerics to express solidarity with Taliban in getting international recognition after the exit of the US and allied forces from Afghanistan.

The agenda of achieving the objectives of the Barre Sagheer movement was tasked by the Al Qaeda to Haqqani Network and Taliban was committed to facilitate such like-minded outfits.

[Prem Kumar]

]
Takeaway: Though we all may not like everything BJP does, its important to vote them into power. And its important to put pressure on BJP to deliver on Dharmic agenda and put strong Dharmic leaders in positions like CM.

Very true. Hats off to the Bommai Govt for their tough stance on this as well as on the anti-conversion bill. Good to see good Dharmic CMs like Yogi, Bommai & Himanta.

Even though we criticize Modi on many Dharmic agenda items (& a lot of it is justified, IMO), without the air-cover provided by Modi and state level BJP CMs, even this level of pushback against BIFs by the people would be unimaginable.

[sanjaykumar]

If this is an ISI conspiracy, they must not understand India very well.

The events in karnataka are giving mindspace to northerners of concerns in south India and consolidating a pan Hindu identity in the North. Does ISI think this is a good idea?

[vera_k]

Of all the Islamic nations in the world only the Pakistan government is involved in the matter. So on the theory that where's there's smoke there's fire...

[venkat_kv]

Chetakji
I sometimes wonder why the BJP's second string leaders keep stepping on the 'dog-turd' all the time
Lack of common sense or too much of Jai Sri Ram or plain dumb
What is that margadarshak mandal doing
Why cant we have some semblance of guidance to stop these stepping on 'Anti-personal mines'

Said the same thing few pages ago but someone brought digambar monks into the argument ! I hail from a town a mere 30 kms from where this all started and have been to Udupi multiple times on work and for functions the last few weeks, everyone including bjp karyakartas were confused when this controversy first started. Some even suspected if the college principal is a Congressi who wanted to kick off a controversy right before the elections. This case is legally shaky at best but was a great opportunity for the government to drive a similar bargain for hindu students who are routinely harassed and humiliated in Christian run institutes for wearing anything remotely resembling hindu identity. The principal of the Udupi college laid a landmine and everyone from your local hindu sena activist to BJP cabinet minister gleefully stepped on it.

Whatever one's opinion about this controversy but one thing is clear that hindus are very easily divided. When the hijab or violence by shantidoots is brought up in parties or in personal conversations, many hindus are openly in favor of shantidoot's point of view, and this in the same town that kicked off this whole argument. Also, just this morning the local newspapers had front page coverage of prominent GSB gurus (gowda saraswat brahmin) who have either held press conferences or issued statements defending Devadutt Kamat and his defense of the hijabis. Why ? Because Devadatt Kamat belongs to the GSB community ! Like someone said, for hindus, their interest in defending dharma begins and ends with their caste and their awareness does not stretch more than 20 kms from their homes ! No wonder it was so easy for so many external powers to invade and subjugate us for over 1000 yrs.

Actually we are missing the forest for the trees with the argument "the principal of the college laid a landmine and the right wing/BJP stepped on it". It doesn't matter who laid the landmine and if they did truly lay one. Here the laws should favor public schools dress codes and it should be driven through courts. Whether BJP govt presses in courts or not "local activists" from the Dharmic side should drive this and oppose this, or students should quote "Shiva or Vishnu Puran" and carry a trident and walk to class.

The congress is filing in Supreme courts and they are fighting in the High Court currently. This should be highlighted repeatedly in media and socila media. Any tom, dick and harry can have press conference and say some shtck, doesn't make it true. There are some Jatts and army men opposed to Modi govt and question surgical strikes and spout Paks and China's viewpoint. doesn't make it true and they don't speak for the entire community.

During Shaheenbagh and sponsored farmer protest, the oft repeated argument was majority is silent and the vocal minority is trying to get its rights. Now that local people are protesting, we are saying that BJP has waded onto a landmine. The govt cannot and will not be seen crushing protests (especially the scripted one with woman in front, no matter even if its sponsored by vested interests), which appear peaceful. they have to be crushed through PIL's and by people on the street doing it exactly in the same way as the peacefuls are doing. the local people protesting with the powers above blessing it is one way to stop this.

if not this controversy the another one would have risen, there are "many projects" going around simultaneously and only some will see the light of the day based on perceived returns and only some of those will morph into a Shaheenbagh or CAA protest. Breaking head on why this particular one is going one is pointless. There are elections every year in the country in one or the other state and these experiments will keep continuing untill the people of the country decide we have had enough and signal broad support to UCC.

[Cain Marko]

Hijab Row: PIL In Supreme Court Seeks Common Dress Code In Educational Institutions

"The Petitioner has submitted that educational institutions are secular public places and are meant to impart knowledge and wisdom employment, good health and contribute to nation building, not to follow essential and non-essential religious practices." the PIL states

According to the petitioner, It is very essential to introduce a Common Dress Code in all Schools-Colleges to preserve the secular character of educational institutions, otherwise tomorrow Naga Sadhus may take admission in colleges and attend the class without clothes citing essential religiou

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This idea about naga swamis or Jain digambars is rubbish and no more than a strawman. Btw there were Jain schools in Indian towns not 20 years ago that would occasionally have sky clad gurus enter the premises on special events.

Disallowing girls hijab, especially in junior colleges where there is no real dress code and kids are allowed to wear whatever they please, is BS and does nothing for the "uniformity" of a plural society, whatever that's supposed to mean. If these kids want to wear the hijab, let them do so. Next we'll be asking girls and women to stop wearing the bindi as though such things distract from education and learning.

Unless we want some kind of ungodly Soviet society to prevail in the name of uniformity.

[vijayk]

The moron KCR is having total breakdown. He is sh1tting bricks and going berserk abusing Modi like a crazy mad man. Not sure what made this moron lose his marbles.

[Vayutuvan]

TNot sure what made this moron lose his marbles.

He never had any. Marbles that is.

[Cyrano]

KCR stayed away from Ramanuja Statue of equality program which he supported, he has been close to Jeeyar swami for years, because Modi inaugurated it instead of himself, and hasn't been invited on to the dias since. Bhagawat, President, VP, BJP state CMs... have all been invited, took the dias and gave hindutva speeches under his nose in HYD. He inaugurated some incomplete stuff in yadagiri to grab limelight but no one noticed.

Essentially he lost the Hindu plank to BJP, muslim plank to Owaisi who is going soft on BJP, Jeeyar swami has gone cold on him and is tight with BJP. I can understand he's screaming as if his marbles are being crushed, they are.

[Sachin]

During Shaheenbagh and sponsored farmer protest, the oft repeated argument was majority is silent and the vocal minority is trying to get its rights. Now that local people are protesting, we are saying that BJP has waded onto a landmine.

Agree with you. This issue has now been taken up by the common folks from the Hindu community across KA. A journalist from Kerala was lamenting that at many places the boys and girls who wore saffron head gear were from families which were pro-Congress party. Whether "seculars" like it or not; communal polarisation is indeed happening. And if the trend of minority communities laying more 'land mines' continues, it is only going to increase further.

Note the below report in which the local MLA is saying that the hijab issue did not exist 45 days back. He says he can show them as evidence in the court, and he will also show the same 'to the people'. The Congress party man lawyer is also now trying to take a stance that uniform coloured scarf should be allowed inside the class rooms. He is not mentioning any thing about hijab, burqah and for that matter even if these are mandatory items as per Islamic rule books.

Also note the Interlocutory Application (IA) which has been filed by another group of students to wear stoles having the uniform colour.

Disallowing girls hijab, especially in junior colleges where there is no real dress code and kids are allowed to wear whatever they please, is BS

The whole case is about wearing hijab in colleges where the management and the CMC have defined a dress code/uniform. Also even in the college where this issue started first, the six girls were NOT wearing hijab in the class rooms. This is not about making the whole of KA or India a Soviet society. The protests are more against one religious minority community introducing their fancy dress norms in every aspect of social life in a pluralist society like India. "Give an inch, then they ask for a mile" - this was what was happening so far.

News reports...
Hijab row: Students seek Karnataka HC's nod to use uniform stole to cover their head
Six girls didn't wear hijab in past, have evidence, claims MLA Report reads.."No Muslim girl was wearing hijab in the classrooms. The CCTV camera footage of 45 days proves this, Raghupathi Bhat said"

[Sachin]

News already covered in the Assembly elections 2022 thread.
Hijab case : Girl who filed case in Karnataka HC for Hijab has requested the court to postpone hearing due to elections (LiveAdalat tweet)