India-US News and Discussion

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 24 Apr 2010 23:47

Interracial marriages will increase more and more by themselves, for integration though, the need of the hour is ensuring education of all immigrants at the cost of the US, that will ensure that the US stays a powerful country. Other than that there are no real threats to the US from Hispanic immigration as long as it is integrated into the population. US really needs to make English the official language so it is able to do this better.

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 00:48

Carl_T wrote:Interracial marriages will increase more and more by themselves, for integration though, the need of the hour is ensuring education of all immigrants at the cost of the US, that will ensure that the US stays a powerful country. Other than that there are no real threats to the US from Hispanic immigration as long as it is integrated into the population. US really needs to make English the official language so it is able to do this better.

Along with making English the national language,they need to close the border effectively and stop giving citizenships to children of Illegals and everyone else on a visa. Only American citizens and LPR's should have the right to have their children becoming American citizens. The illegals in the US have a birth rate nearly 2 times that was Mexico..remove the anchor baby and illegal immigration will stop by itself.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 25 Apr 2010 01:08

What is LPR? Why is giving citizenship to people with visas bad? The US needs to continue importing skilled immigrants to the US.

As for citizenship to children of illegals, if their children are born in the US, then they are unequivocally US citizens unless of course they are enemy combatants, and that cannot and will not be changed, epecially when the 14th amendment doesn't say about immigration.

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 01:18

Carl_T wrote:What is LPR? Why is giving citizenship to people with visas bad? The US needs to continue importing skilled immigrants to the US.

As for citizenship to children of illegals, if their children are born in the US, then they are unequivocally US citizens by the Constitution, that cannot and should not be changed.

LPR = Legal Permanent Residents (Green Card Holders)...giving citizenships to people is not bad,giving to children of people not US citizens is another thing.

The US SC has never actually heard a case about children of illegals...who may not be actually in the jurisdiction of the US and hence may not be eligible for citizenship just like children of diplomats .If an army invades part of the US and the solders in the army have children should they become Americans?

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 25 Apr 2010 01:25

Indeed, and I have changed my post to reflect that. The SC has never said anything one way or the other it and it depends on the definition of the word "jurisdiction". I doubt the original meaning of the word will be upheld as it will not even apply to legal immigrants probably even including LPRs who are not citizens. But as of now, they are citizens.

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 01:29

Carl_T wrote:Yes I changed my post to reflect that. The SC has never said anything one way or the other it and it depends on the definition of the word "jurisdiction". I doubt the original meaning of the word will be upheld as it will not even apply to legal immigrants who are not citizens. But as of now, they are citizens.

Why not...a legal immigrant is under US laws and hence jurisdiction...an illegal is not. For example a guest in your house is invited in by you, a house breaker on the other hand is not.They cannot and should not be equal. But as of now they are citizens yes..but it should be changed IMO.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 25 Apr 2010 01:30

It depends if you consider an LPR a "foreigner". Although illegal immigrants are not exactly out of US jurisdiction either, they pay taxes ( I think income not sure ), and apparently are going to receive medical benefits!

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 01:37

Carl_T wrote:It depends if you consider an LPR a "foreigner". Although illegal immigrants are not exactly out of US jurisdiction either, they pay income taxes, and apparently are going to receive medical benefits!

Paying income tax is hardly the proof of being an American.Nearly half the country does not pay it!

Yes..they will now receive medical benefits.Obama is such a fool. Hopefully they can vote him out in 2012 but will not happen if the GOP nominates Palin

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 01:43

Nair wrote:LPR = Legal Permanent Residents (Green Card Holders)...giving citizenships to people is not bad,giving to children of people not US citizens is another thing.

Well, the LPR is just another type of visa - only renewed every 10 years

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And if you are a non-white citizen, good luck trying to prove you are one when the state is out to get you.

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 01:46

vera_k wrote:
Nair wrote:LPR = Legal Permanent Residents (Green Card Holders)...giving citizenships to people is not bad,giving to children of people not US citizens is another thing.
Well, the LPR is just another type of visa - only renewed every 10 years .

And if you are a non-white citizen, good luck trying to prove you are one when the state is out to get you.

Please no one is out to get anyone...it is not difficult to prove citizenship either.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 01:46

/Sarc

India can offer the USA its expertise in resolving the illegal immigration problem. A big part of the issue in the US is that it is very hard to obtain proof of citizenship for long time residents. Our MPs should start free lessons on how to conjure up such documents.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 01:47

Nair wrote:Please no one is out to get anyone...it is not difficult to prove citizenship either.

Sure, for a white it isn't.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Apr 2010 01:49

prad, the " birth certificate issue" is not the immigration related law, but the presidential election law. That one is truly stupid because it caters to the troglodytes who think Obama does not have a valid US birth certificate.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 01:52

There was this editorial in the NYTimes about some workers from Kerala.

What Would You Do?

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 01:52

vera_k wrote:
Nair wrote:Please no one is out to get anyone...it is not difficult to prove citizenship either.
Sure, for a white it isn't.

Not for anyone..it is not. I would know.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Apr 2010 01:55

LPR is not a ten-year visa. It is permanent. The card has to be reissued every 10 years, but you are not applying for a new visa when you do that.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 01:55

Nair wrote:Not for anyone..it is not. I would know.

They just haven't tried to deport you yet, that's all.

U.S. citizen's near-deportation not a rarity

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 02:00

vera_k wrote:
Nair wrote:Not for anyone..it is not. I would know.
They just haven't tried to deport you yet, that's all.

U.S. citizen's near-deportation not a rarity

Errors happen...did you notice the citizen in your example was a "white" citizen?

I support strong enforcement of immigration laws.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 02:10

Nair wrote:Errors happen...did you notice the citizen in your example was a "white" citizen?

Was he? Russians and other East Europeans are not considered "white" by the racists. In any case you only need to look different to be picked up. This Congressman is already on record saying they can pick up people based on the way they are dressed.

I know, but doesn't mean all them are not white, saying all armenians are not white is the same to say that all russians are white, despite the mongolic blood that some russians have.

Linky

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 02:45

vera_k wrote:
Nair wrote:Errors happen...did you notice the citizen in your example was a "white" citizen?
Was he? Russians and other East Europeans are not considered "white" by the racists. In any case you only need to look different to be picked up. This Congressman is already on record saying they can pick up people based on the way they are dressed.

I know, but doesn't mean all them are not white, saying all armenians are not white is the same to say that all russians are white, despite the mongolic blood that some russians have.
Linky

Seriously a link to stormfront?

...

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 02:49

Nair wrote:Seriously a link to stormfront? ...

Aren't those the opinions that are becoming increasingly mainstream?

naren · Post by **naren** » 25 Apr 2010 03:52

CRamS wrote:I thought Hinduism and Buddhism are out of synch

uhbologize for OT. I just thought I'll give this quick link before we forget.

Buddhism, the Fulfilment of Hinduism by Swami Vivekananda; Addresses at The Parliament of Religions, Chicago, 1893

Nair · Post by **Nair** » 25 Apr 2010 05:12

vera_k wrote:
Nair wrote:Seriously a link to stormfront? ...
Aren't those the opinions that are becoming increasingly mainstream?

Which is how Obama got elected?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 25 Apr 2010 05:16

James Steinberg, US Deputy Secretary of State, answers a few questions.
‘Our engagement in Af-Pak region should be seen as supportive of India’s interests’

C. RAJA MOHAN: A few months ago, you spoke about ‘strategic reassurance’ as a concept where the West accepts China’s rise in return for China agreeing that it will not rock the boat, it will not hurt anybody else’s security. We hope you have some similar big ideas for India.

The evolution of the India-US relationship has been one of the most significant developments in the evolution of the US global strategy. It has been fuelled in a very positive sense by the end of the Cold War and dramatic changes in both countries, including political and economic changes taking place in India that have opened up India to the world and propelled it to its tremendous economic and political achievements.

From the beginning of the Obama administration, we have placed enormous importance on building this relationship. We have tried to accelerate the relationship, beginning with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s visit here a year ago, and the Indian Prime Minister’s state visit to Washington, the first state visit by any head of state in the Obama administration. Most recently, the Prime Minister participated in the Nuclear Security Summit and had a meeting with President Obama.
Before I gave a speech about China, I gave a speech about India. It’s a reflection of the importance I attach to this relationship. In that speech, I used the metaphor of a three-stage rocket—about how, during the Clinton administration, we launched the first stage of that rocket to help us get off the ground through President Clinton’s very powerful visit to India. In the second phase was the very strong commitment of President Bush towards building a more strategic relationship with India through the civil nuclear deal. My argument was that the third stage, which is the stage that puts the payload into orbit, should be reflected in the growing breadth of the relationship between the United States and India, on a government-to-government, a people-to-people, a business-to-business, and NGO-to-NGO level. This is reflected in the initiation of the strategic dialogue between United States and India, the next round of which will take place in Washington in the first week of June.

RAJA MOHAN:The sense in Islamabad is that the US is with them and therefore they can pursue their support to terrorist groups directed at India.

We do not make any distinction between that it’s not okay to support terrorist groups that target the United States and it’s okay to support terrorist groups that target somebody else. In this case, groups like the Lashkar-e-Toiba are not just a threat to India, they are a threat to us too because these groups are increasingly interconnected. So, we have made clear in unequivocal terms to our friends in Pakistan that we expect an unqualified effort to end it. The best way to do this, in the long term, is to strengthen the civilian government and civil society in Pakistan.

negi · Post by **negi** » 25 Apr 2010 05:28

James Steinberg wrote:My argument was that the third stage, which is the stage that puts the payload into orbit, should be reflected in the growing breadth of the relationship between the United States and India, on a government-to-government, a people-to-people, a business-to-business, and NGO-to-NGO level. This is reflected in the initiation of the strategic dialogue between United States and India, the next round of which will take place in Washington in the first week of June.

The people to people , business-business or even NGO-NGO level interaction has always been there, governments have a little role to play there unless they go out of the way to throw a spanner in the works or give out additional sops , GOTUS until now has not done much in this regards in fact to be fair it is the India's resurgent economy , its emergence as a market for finished products and tail gate entry into the N club that has forced GOTUS to take notice and change its posture when it comes to engaging India . A more assertive India and a stubborn GOI is what Bush had warned Obama before former left the office.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Apr 2010 06:29

Obama’s Bad Cop

Clinton's played the heavy with Iran, Russia, and even Israel—and her sometimes hawkish views are finding favor with the president.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236938

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Apr 2010 10:49

Warning: There is a lot of discussion going on here about residency in the US. I do not see any relevance to the thread topic at all. Stop this line of discussion please.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Apr 2010 10:52

Five leading Indian firms under US scanner for Iran links

The United States Government Accountability Office (GAO) made public a report naming the five Indian companies as part of a list of 41 foreign firms helping Iran develop its oil and gas sector.

The Indian companies named are the Indian Oil Corporation, Oil and Natural Gas Corporation, ONGC Videsh (OVL), Oil India Limited and the government-sponsored private company, Petronet LNG. In addition, the U.K.-based Hinduja group is listed.

The list was compiled by the GAO through open source information and a confirmatory questionnaire sent to every company concerned. None of the Indian firms replied.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 25 Apr 2010 17:48

Seattle cartoonist launches "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day"

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Apr 2010 21:53

SSridhar wrote:Warning: There is a lot of discussion going on here about residency in the US. I do not see any relevance to the thread topic at all. Stop this line of discussion please.

The only relevance I see is that when the law goes into effect, the government should issue a travel advisory for students and travellers from India to avoid Arizona.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Apr 2010 09:06

A grading rubric for President Obama’s national security strategy

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2 ... y_strategy

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Apr 2010 13:31

US Must Wise Up on Pak Aid
April 27, 2010

The US should ensure its aid to Pakistan is spent properly, says Rajeev Sharma. India is suffering from the laxity.
By Rajeev Sharma

http://the-diplomat.com/2010/04/27/us-m ... dium=email

EXcerpt:

Why is the United States propping up Pakistan in a way that it knows will likely conflict directly with Indian interests? It’s a question being raised with increasing frequency here in New Delhi these days.

The most immediate concern for the Indian establishment has been the US decision to supply sophisticated weapons to Pakistan—weaponry that is much more useful in state-to-state conflict than counter-terrorism (for which it is virtually useless). Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh raised the issue with US President Barack Obama during their 50-minute bilateral meeting in Washington DC earlier this month, having already done so during his previous visit to the United States.

During the meeting, Singh urged Washington to ensure that US military aid to Pakistan is used against terrorists and not against India. But for now, at least, the pleas appear to be falling on deaf ears. The United States is, after all, determined to increase its leverage with Pakistan over operations in Afghanistan, and the US also appears to believe that such aid is required to ensure the survival of the civilian government there.

As a result, the US State Department is increasing its funds for Pakistan’s counter-insurgency efforts—which will allow Pakistan to buy more US helicopters, night vision goggles and other military equipment—from $700 million this year to $1.2 billion in 2011.

Yet reports suggest Pakistan has been using its national funds to buy US weapons more suited to conflict between states—and it surely would have traditional rival India in mind when doing so. According to the US Congressional Research Service, the current tally of US arms that have been purchased by Pakistan since 2001 includes: 18 new F-16 combat aircraft; F-16 armaments including 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) systems; 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles; 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles; six Phalanx close-in naval guns; P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment; 121 TOW missile launchers and about 5,250 TOW anti-armour missiles.

None of these could be viewed as for anti-terrorist operations—the P-3C Orion, for example, is an excellent anti-submarine and anti-ship platform, while TOW missiles would be deadly against tanks. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban have no submarines, armoured fighting vehicles or airplanes. So who is the most likely intended target? It makes New Delhi wonder.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 28 Apr 2010 02:44

Flight from Paris to Atlanta was diverted to Bangor (Because some one claimed to have a fake passport and said he had explosives in his luggage)
Man claims explosives, flight diverted

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Apr 2010 07:07

Getting Asia right means getting India right

http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2 ... ndia_right

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Apr 2010 07:38

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 74#p861574

Satya gaaru: Wow, you are THE top strategist. The only post in this thread on this subject that seems to get to the cause of the current nauntanki. As you rightly point out it is purely a local domestic natak. USA is a nation of 24/7/365 days of elections campaign. Neither party cares much except for the votes and who can win in 2010 November. This effort by the Republicans is just to snatch the mike away from the Democrats.

Meeku kudos.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Apr 2010 08:03

Obama Doesn’t Need You, White Men
4/26/10 at 2:00 PM 67Comments
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/04/ob ... nted-24h-5

Unless you're young! But older white men — forget it. At least that's what President Obama himself says in a new video released by the DNC, in which he rallies his supporters for the 2010 elections. "It will be up to each of you," Obama says directly into the camera, "to make sure that the young people, African Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again." Maybe these are the most important demographic groups for the Democrats this year, but by mentioning basically everyone except for white men, it sounds like ... Obama doesn't really care about the support of white men. (Also, Asian-Americans might feel kind of slighted.)

This seems like a strange message to send to a group that's already fleeing to the Tea Party movement in response to the Obama presidency. Here's another reason for you to look warily at Obama, white guys! And besides, white men did help push Obama to victory in 2008 — he received 41 percent of the white male vote, which is the highest percentage for a Democratic presidential candidate in twenty years, and a four-point boost over John Kerry's 2004 share. As white men accounted for over a third of all votes cast in 2008, that 4 percent boost mattered.

Obama seeks to 'reconnect...young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women' for 2010 [Ben Smith/Politico]

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 28 Apr 2010 09:00

Five jokes a national security advisor can safely open a speech with

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... peech_with

[youtube]PmUb_cXI5aI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

"Taliban Warrior"

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 28 Apr 2010 09:41

India to get direct access to Headley

India seems to be close to getting direct access to Pakistani American terror suspect David Coleman Headley, key plotter in 26/11 Mumbai terror attack with US agreeing to take "suitable steps" to bring it about. Modalities were discussed at a meeting on Tuesday between India's Solicitor General Gopal Subramanium and US Attorney General Eric Holder. Indian Ambassador Meera Shankar and other US Justice Department officials joined the talks.

"The two partners agreed to take suitable steps to bring about direct access by Indian authorities to David Headley as soon as possible," the Indian embassy said. There was no comment from the US side. "The partnership between India and the United States recognizes the high priority to be accorded to each country's national security," Indian officals said adding, "Both countries recognised the need for the investigations to reach a fruitful and successful outcome. "The discussions have resulted in a mutual commitment that there would be the best possible cooperation in our common fight against terrorism," they said.

Only last week US Ambassador to India, Timothy J. Roemer, told reporters in New Delhi that the "US is working at the highest level to provide direct access to Headley. Our government has put this as the highest priority in counter-terror cooperation." "We recognise the sensitivity of this issue to India and the people of India," stressed Roemer, a former member of the 9/11 commission."We want to ensure justice is brought to these blood-thirsty terrorist attackers, whether they kill thousands of people in New York or scores of them in Mumbai," he said.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 28 Apr 2010 20:26

Three Points of View: The United States, Pakistan and India

In 10 years, India has gone from a historic low in the power balance with Pakistan to a historic high, watching U.S. support for Pakistan shift to pressure on Islamabad to do the kinds of things (if not the precise actions) India had long clamored for.

But now, U.S. and Pakistani interests not only appear aligned again, the two countries appear to be laying groundwork for the incorporation of elements of the Taliban into the Afghan state. The Indians are concerned that with American underwriting, the Pakistanis not only may be about to re-emerge as a major check on Indian ambitions, but in a form eerily familiar to the sort of state-militant partnership that so effectively limited Indian power in the past. They are right. The Indians also are concerned that Pakistani promises to the Americans about what sort of behavior militants in Afghanistan will be allowed to engage in will not sufficiently limit the militants' activities - and in any event will do little to nothing to address the Kashmiri militant issue. Here, too, the Indians are probably right. The Americans want to leave - and if the price of departure is leaving behind an emboldened Pakistan supporting a militant structure that can target India, the Americans seem fine with making India pay that price.

Very well summarised..

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Apr 2010 20:37

Pampered whites love the attention and moolah Bollywood would dole out just to get in a
white face in one of their item number , but what does it say about Indians and self respect?

First, you probably won’t get cast if you’re Indian. One agent explained that filmmakers are perpetually short on “Western looking” folks

Can you imagine the storm entire US media would rake up should Hollywood were to explicitly reject a white for an Indian?