Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

[Pratyush]

Hi all,

Every one is getting worked up over a solution to the Kashmir solution. The question that I would like to ask is, has the present govt of India;

1) Repudiated and rejected the Kashmir resolution which was passed in the national parliament during the PVNR era.
2) Can they reject it or repudiate it and what is the way in which it can be overlooked.

If the answer to 1 is yes then the Indian goose is really cooked because once you solve the problem to Paki demands then there is no stopping the TSP elites from making demands.

If the GOI needs to consult the parliament in order to modify the said resolution, then no territory will be exchanged in J&K ever. regardless of what the WKK and the non Indian resident elites of India say or do.

Having said that talking to TSP even if is extremely distasteful should not be taken seriously by us. Just another round of meaningless Chai biskut sessions.

Just my 2 paisa on this dhaga.

[Gerard]

India will not redraw borders in Kashmir: Manmohan Singh

[Suppiah]

Let us not ignore taller-than-mountain here - they DONT want any deals because that will help SDREs more than TFTAs as the latter are a basket case for endless other reasons...it sets yeevil yindoos free to pursue bigger targets and eliminates one lever. They will be crazy to see that happen if at all it can be controlled.

The usual course would be to use their puppets here in India to do their dirty job - Problem is their puppets here are big time WKKs simply to camoflague their anti-hindu pogrom as well as to get IM votes. They cannot change tack suddenly but can be asked to or tasked with helping in other ways - by demanding dismantling of nukes, stop defense projects, reduce army etc., to keep India in control. Expect Stalinist rapist goons, their yellow puppets and fake historians, fake intellectuals, 'revolutionary' writers etc., to increase their cacophony on this 'peace dividend' in the coming days, to set the stage...

But these are palliatives.

What else can taller-than-mountain do? Two things, one being using their Maoist branch office to create more chaos, and another is to use ISI itself to sabotage the process with selective attacks.

Expect a lot of firework too....

[SSridhar]

kidnapped Khalid Khwaja found dead

Former intelligence officer Squadron Leader Khalid Khwaja (retd) was found dead in Karam Kot area of Mir Ali, Geo News reported.

Bullet riddled body of Khalid Khwaja was found today with a pamphlet saying Asian Tigers killed Khwaja.

The self-styled militant organisation, Asian Tigers, which has been holding hostage two former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) officers and a journalist, came up with new demands Wednesday, April 28, 2010, for the release of the kidnapped men.

It had approached former Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz parliamentarian from Kohat, Javed Ibrahim Paracha, and sought his role in negotiations between the government and their group for the release of the two retired military officers.

[anupmisra]

the fate of Khwaja of ISI and some speculation..such speculation can be laid to rest...

No pun intended.

[Suppiah]

the fate of Khwaja of ISI and some speculation..such speculation can be laid to rest...

No pun intended.

Au contraire, the pun was intended

[Suppiah]

BTW, are they running out of Islamic and Urdu based alphabet-soups? Now resorting to angrezi names for their outfits = Asian tigers expect more 'competition' as there are many more animals still around (again pun intended )

[anupmisra]

We didn't lose (of course)

T20 cup: Zimbabwe’s upset wins (over pa'astan) air match fixing concerns

On one hand, Zimbabwe, which is being considered a weak team, has doubled the interest of fans in the tournament, while on the other hand, it has created doubts of match fixing. During the recently concluded IPL tournament, reports of match fixing allegations and financial irregularities got headlines. This has also increased fears about the Caribbean event too.

Damn Yindoos. They are everywhere.

[anupmisra]

BTW, are they running out of Islamic and Urdu based alphabet-soups? Now resorting to angrezi names for their outfits = Asian tigers expect more 'competition' as there are many more animals still around (again pun intended )

Pan-Asian ambitions, perhaps?

[Suppiah]

What with all this globalization, even jehadi pigs are forced to use catchy logos and corporate identify so that it makes sense to their comrades in Philipines, Thailand, Indonesia and so on...so out with Tehrek-e-Anjuman-e-Ilahi-i-Sipah and in with 'Asian Tigers'...may be they have a MBA (Max Barbaric Animal) recruit from ISB - (Islamic school of barbarianism)...

[Pranav]

Let us not ignore taller-than-mountain here - they DONT want any deals because that will help SDREs more than TFTAs as the latter are a basket case for endless other reasons...it sets yeevil yindoos free to pursue bigger targets and eliminates one lever. They will be crazy to see that happen if at all it can be controlled.

The usual course would be to use their puppets here in India to do their dirty job - Problem is their puppets here are big time WKKs simply to camoflague their anti-hindu pogrom as well as to get IM votes. They cannot change tack suddenly but can be asked to or tasked with helping in other ways - by demanding dismantling of nukes, stop defense projects, reduce army etc., to keep India in control. Expect Stalinist rapist goons, their yellow puppets and fake historians, fake intellectuals, 'revolutionary' writers etc., to increase their cacophony on this 'peace dividend' in the coming days, to set the stage...

But these are palliatives.

What else can taller-than-mountain do? Two things, one being using their Maoist branch office to create more chaos, and another is to use ISI itself to sabotage the process with selective attacks.

Expect a lot of firework too....

There are differences between Chinese and the western elites .... Chinese are worried about devaluation of forex reserves, Taiwan, domestic economic stability etc.

They may be opportunists but are not ideologically committed to global domination in the same was as the western elites. Also, their infiltration into SDRE elites is much less.

As regards Maoists, their support comes mostly from western elites, as indicated by how people close to Sonia are batting for Maoists.

[Gerard]

So we can expect a terrorist group called the Bahawalpur Beheaders?? Will they bid for jihadis at madrassa auctions?

[Suppiah]

Are you suggesting that China will sit by and watch India and Pak cut a deal, so soon after the NSG saga, and do nothing about it?

[Suppiah]

So we can expect a terrorist group called the Bahawalpur Beheaders?? Will they bid for jihadis at madrassa auctions?

Dont insult the madrasas - it is the jihadis that do the bidding, to meet their 72 and give up their lives for a noble cause..that is how they were trained.

[Suppiah]

Also, their infiltration into SDRE elites is much less.

I sincerely hope this is a typo...or you mean all these nice gentlemen and ladies that occupy the 'frontline' of our intellectual ranks are not elites?

[Pranav]

Are you suggesting that China will sit by and watch India and Pak cut a deal, so soon after the NSG saga, and do nothing about it?

In fact, they may not mind ...

I think this recent article does reflect thinking of some forces in PRC ..

"Asia Century A Dream Until China, India Come Together" : http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1265859

They may want to help the Paks, but they are not ideologically committed to using the Paks for the destruction of India and then Russia.

Western elites have an ideological compulsion to destroy every other independent power.

[Pranav]

Also, their infiltration into SDRE elites is much less.

I sincerely hope this is a typo...or you mean all these nice gentlemen and ladies that occupy the 'frontline' of our intellectual ranks are not elites?

The "eminent intellectuals" are indeed elites but that was not a typo ... communism has been sponsored by western plutocrats.

[Gagan]

No change of borders is going to happen. Unfortunately this also means that the LOC's alignment is not going to change - unless Pakistan implodes.

Mushy wanted the valley to given to pakistan for h&d purposes. And then there were mysterious suggestions to trifurcate J&K into Laddakh, Kashmir Valley and Jammu regions. Perhaps as a prelude to the pakistanis changing their demands for only the valley part.
Now the pakistanis have upped their demands because they think that more than H&D, India building all these dams, gives India the capability to block or release water and hold pakistan to ransom.
Or they are trying to be big bargainers, and asking for the arm when they will settle for a handshake. They want water so that they'll settle for the valley - Fools.

What one fears is that some fool in Nai Dilli will give pakistan some kind of say in the valley and essentially reopen the door for them. That door is closing shut for the pakistanis even as we speak.

[Suppiah]

Getting a bit OT, but even if it can be assumed that PRC has not acted against India with hostile intent or used TSP for that purpose in the past or present, (an assumption that is patently false given the enormous weight of evidence), their being not ideologically same as 'western powers' is firstly wrong (because clearly they have pan-Asian ambitions 400% and global ambitions <100%) and secondly may be partly true simply because they are not an incumbent, status-quo power unlike the West. It is not because of any congenital kindness and oozing of humanity from pores...or genetic predisposition.

[Pranav]

Getting a bit OT, but even if it can be assumed that PRC has not acted against India with hostile intent or used TSP for that purpose in the past or present, (an assumption that is patently false given the enormous weight of evidence), their being not ideologically same as 'western powers' is firstly wrong (because clearly they have pan-Asian ambitions 400% and global ambitions <100%) and secondly may be partly true simply because they are not an incumbent, status-quo power unlike the West. It is not because of any congenital kindness and oozing of humanity from pores...or genetic predisposition.

The ideology of the western elites comes from the Sabbatean-Frankist sect, which is considered heretical by orthodox Jews.

There is a book by Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman, "To Eliminate the Opiate", Vols I and II.

Vol I is available for download at http://www.scribd.com/doc/20459331/R-Mo ... iate-vol-1

[RamaY]

self deleted.. apologies.

[Sen_K]

Sialkot court summons Shoiab’s brothers-in-law

A local court on Friday summoned three brothers-in-law of former skipper Shoaib Malik on May 6 for violating a ban on more than one dish at Shoania’s wedding reception.
A petition was filed in the court by a local citizen seeking action against Malik’s three brothers-in-law for violating the ban.
Civil Judge Tahir Aslam admitted the case and issued notices to Imran Zafar, Malik Nasir and Malik Raza asking them to appear before the court on May 6.

[archan]

RamaY, I don't see the nation hoping for a terrorist attack on itself in order to get rid of its own PM. Please let us not twist words. Criticizing the govt. and PM is fine but let us not get too OT. This is TSP thread.

[RamaY]

So we can expect a terrorist group called the Bahawalpur Beheaders?? Will they bid for jihadis at madrassa auctions?

Didn't Pakis swear to start their own PTL (Paki Terror League)? Pakis will create PTL at any cost, even if they have to eat dung. They ran out of grass with that uttum-bum program.

[shiv]

Did anyone notice - or am I imagining it.

Was there, or was there not a spate of Jumma festivities and IED mubaraks and general celebration of the IEDology of Pakhanastan after the Pune bomb?

Everything is quiet now in "both nations, nuclear rivals, both fighting terrorism" ( ).

Is it possible that the whoring army of Pakistan, while not having total control over its jihadis - actuallly manages to exert some control if its own musharraf is set alight?

Please correct my qibla and tell me that I am starting a needless conspiracy theory if there was no spate of IEDmubaraks in crapistan after Pune.

[SSridhar]

NUGGETS time, folks.
This week, I am forced to post practically the whole stuff.

How to increase Pakistan’s honour

Daily Nawa-e-Waqt editorialised that Pakistani citizens felt their honour increase (viqar mein izafa) on hearing that a delegation of nine Pakistani senators from the Tribal Areas (FATA) refused to continue their official visit in the United States after they were asked to submit to body scan (hattak amez amal). Similarly two Muslim ladies coming to Pakistan increased national honour by cancelling their journey from the UK after refusing to be scanned at the airport. The Americans have apologised for the scan but said that FATA senators could not be exempted.

Rivers will flow with blood!

Daily Jinnah reported that the UN-banned Jamaatud Dawa held a massive procession on Lahore’s Mall Road to condemn India for stealing Pakistan’s water. Famous leader Hafiz Said warned India (bharatio sunn lo!) that he will win Kashmir from India together with the dams India was building on Pakistani rivers. He said the rivers will run with Hindu blood. AoA

Indus Treaty an unhappy marriage

Quoted in Jang Indus Water Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah said in Lahore that Indus Water Treaty between Pakistan and India was an unhappy marriage over the years. He said India was preparing to build 25 to 20 dams on the rivers given to Pakistan. Although the dams were allowed by the treaty India should act on the spirit of the Treaty and agree to amend the amount of water given by the treaty to India from three Pakistani rivers. The reason was that the water flow in these rivers had decreased.

Blow up the dams!

Quoted in Jinnah chief editor and heads of journalists’ organisation Khushnood Ali Khan told a meeting that the Indian dams that stole Pakistani water should be blown up with bombs. He said if India did not desist from stealing water then the philosophy of Hafiz Said should be acted upon because that was the only language India understood.

Talibanisation defined

Writing in Jang Saleem Safi stated that Talibanisation is often equated with the Taliban but it was actually rooted in the state institutions and their Indian and Afghan policies, politics of the religious parties and the hawkish anchors of the TV channels.

Courting a terrorist party

Reported in Express PMLN leaders were courting the banned terrorist party Sipah Sahaba in South Punjab to win in elections. PMLN Punjab law minister Rana Sanaullah was seen together with the Sipah leader Maulana Ahmad Ludhianvi who claimed that all politicians who won their seats in South Punjab had approached Sipah for help. One federal minister of state had invited Ludhianvi to his house.

Barber repents in Bhakkar

Reported in weekly Al Qalam a barber of the sectarian conflict prone city of Bhakkar in Punjab repented and gave up shaving people’s beards. Barber Hakim was persuaded by the greatly humanitarian Al Rehmat Trust organisation to give up the sinful occupation of shaving beards. He presented himself at a local mosque and confessed that shaitan (satan) and nafs (selfishness) had deceived him into sin which he was now giving up.

Deobandi versus Barelvi in Faisalabad

Writing in jihadi publication Zarb-e-Momin Deobandi religious leader Qari Muhammad Jalundhari stated that on 12 Rabiul Awwwal the Birthday of the Prophet PBUH was celebrated in Faisalabad by Barelvi followers. When the procession reached the tomb of Deobandi dignitary Maulana Ziaul Qasimi they became violent and destroyed the library of the great man. He said there was a conspiracy afoot to rake up the old Barelvi-Deobandi vendetta and make the two fight again.

Conspiracies against Pakistan

Weekly Al Qalam reported from Islamabad that Raw, CIA and Mossad had decided to work together to deprive Pakistan of its water and turn it into registan (desert). It also reported from Islamabad that an international plot was ready to destabilise Pakistan. RAW together with CIA and Mossad had set up training camps for terrorists inside India who would be unleashed on Pakistan. For this, notorious criminals from all over the world were being scouted and inducted.

Sipah Sahaba is not terrorist!

Daily Islam reported that Maulana Ahmad Ludhianvi the chief of the UN-banned Sipah Sahaba now renamed Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat said that his party should not be called terrorist as saying so would be contempt of court. He said a case in this regard was sub judice at the High Court. He said the PPP candidate in Haroonabad was supported by his party and this support was announced by member Javed Iqbal in the presence of Governor Salmaan Taseer.

Who was Maulana Jalalpuri?

Daily newspaper Islam reported that head of the Khatm-e-Nabuwwat organisation in Karachi great scholar Maulana Jalalpuri was gunned down along with his companions. He was famous for his diatribes against the Qadianis and his janaza prayer was said at Banuri Mosque. The paper reported that he was a celebrated pupil of Maulana Yusuf Ludhianvi who was also killed in sectarian conflict. The head of Banuri Madrassa Mufti Shamzai was also thus killed in 2004. Earlier great scholar Maulana Ghafur Nadim of Sipah Sahaba was wounded by attackers in Karachi but his son Muawiya, provocatively named from the point of the view of the Shia community, was killed.

[rohiths]

Did anyone notice - or am I imagining it.

Was there, or was there not a spate of Jumma festivities and IED mubaraks and general celebration of the IEDology of Pakhanastan after the Pune bomb?

Everything is quiet now in "both nations, nuclear rivals, both fighting terrorism" ( ).

Is it possible that the whoring army of Pakistan, while not having total control over its jihadis - actuallly manages to exert some control if its own musharraf is set alight?

Please correct my qibla and tell me that I am starting a needless conspiracy theory if there was no spate of IEDmubaraks in crapistan after Pune.

Sir, festivities happen in pure land all the time. Just that sometimes they are celebrated grandly and in other cases they are subdued. We cannot statistically prove that festivities followed Pune bomb.
Moreover there is a seasonality in festivities. Festivities are usually subdued in Feb and increase in March reaching all time peak in Oct-Nov and then falling again. We cannot draw any meaningful conclusions at all.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... alties.htm

[shiv]

Sir, festivities happen in pure land all the time. Just that sometimes they are celebrated grandly and in other cases they are subdued. We cannot statistically prove that festivities followed Pune bomb.
Moreover there is a seasonality in festivities. Festivities are usually subdued in Feb and increase in March reaching all time peak in Oct-Nov and then falling again. We cannot draw any meaningful conclusions at all.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... alties.htm

Ah thanks. Festivals are such fun no? Especially on holy days.

[Gagan]

I would like to believe that that sudden spate of festivities had a koophar hand.

But SDREs are used to working at sarkari pace only, and to ascribe chankiyanness to those festivities is I think not correct.

[CRamS]

However the establishment (PM and those who agree or share his vision)might see that if the JK problem is resolved(in the terms of pakis and wkks on the side of India), then pakis will have no reason to fight with India and the entire sub continent will be a economic power house.

There will be no India left if MMS "resovles" J&K through slow motion surrender. Of course, as a "South Asian" that is his vision; not a proud Hindu nationalist India, but an emasculated India or even a loose federation of states at each others's throats and each vying for white Bahadurs' attention and investment. He will be conferred Nobel Piss prize; and will probably settle down with Kiyani, Mush, Gilani etc in a suburb of Virginia listening to Sufi Ghazals. MMS might even get Nishenae-TSP award and some high award from US Congress placing him on the same pedestal as demi God Ellie Wiesel. May MMS live a long long life, but after he is gone, US might even save his ashes at the Arlington National Cemetery for his great contribution to ending the AfPak war and bringing "world peace".

[CRamS]

When Siddharth Vardarajan uses the generic word "terrorists", who will disrupt love-making between MMS & TSP, he means any Hindu nationalist opposing this perverted spectacle of surrendering to TSP.

[CRamS]

What is R-man's take on the surrender at Thimpu?

[svenkat]

A chankian explanation could be amirkhan in big trouble in Kandahar and engaging its whore.We need to engage Unkil not to be left in the lurch in Afghanisthan.All this nonsense by GOI is all show ,no substance.We have to swallow our pride for meaningless talks but we will concede nothing.Why do BRFites think PM and SSM are imbecile idiots/traitors.They are also erudite men who have spent their lives in service of India? And they have both detailed knowledge and long term perspective.

[sum]

kidnapped Khalid Khwaja found dead
Former intelligence officer Squadron Leader Khalid Khwaja (retd) was found dead in Karam Kot area of Mir Ali, Geo News reported.

Bullet riddled body of Khalid Khwaja was found today with a pamphlet saying Asian Tigers killed Khwaja.

Payback is truely a female dog!!!

Wonder what happened to the other esteemed guest, Sri. Col Imam?
This killing also means that it wasnt a ISID drama and shows the limitations of the ISI in the tribal badlands...

[ramana]

Since head was still attached its not the purest who took him out. Maybe ISI did him in?

[rohiths]

MMS and co are neither incompetent nor traitors. It is just that their view point does not envisage a nationalistic and militarily strong India which is proud of its culture and heritage. It is the DIE mindset which sees Indian interests subordinated to western interests.

Their view point is incompatible with the threats that India faces. If the neighbors were more civilized it might have been ok or even desirable, but why negotiate with Pakis? What benefit can India possibly get? What concessions are Pakis willing to give? Why the slavish dependence on USA? Even pakis have said no to US many times.

TSP thread is no longer the fun it used to be when we had daily IED Mubaraks and Vacuum Blasts.
Now it is all D&G

[Rangudu]

My hunch on the revenge for Lal Masjid appears to be right.

Khawaja got off easy by just getting shot.

He set up the beheading of Daniel Pearl, innumerable Afghans and Indians and of course his own countrymen, especially of the Shia variety. He is a scumbag of the worst kind and deserves the lowest rungs of hell.

That pompous turd Col. Imam may yet get away now that the more pious have had a sacrifice to prove their point. I hope Imam gets his 72s too because his kind of evil is only superceded by those of the likes of Hamid Gul.

This is not justice, but nature's own way of taking care of its waste products.

[ramana]

^^R, The head is still attached. So its not the pure who did him in. It was isi so they don't hand over to massa. Whats this BS about Asian Tigers? More like Paki Pigs!

[sum]

TSP thread is no longer the fun it used to be when we had daily IED Mubaraks and Vacuum Blasts.
Now it is all D&G

+1 to that.

[Prem]

Khwaja was high ranking Islamist, he dont deserve to be killed by the Burst of Bulletts (BOB) method. At least they could have treated him equal or better than honorable guest Daniel Pearl.