Pakistani police often indiscriminately arrest people after major incidents only to release them later
So unkil is funding terrorism in TSP in many ways...A police source in Karachi said they ensured safe passage by paying protection money to militant groups on the 1,200-mile route.
So to that extent they are better than Dus Percenti and his army.You can't pay everyone off; and some groups are ideologically committed and won't take money
The provincial government in Punjab heartland's is coming out of denial about the threat from militants there, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said on Tuesday.
Asked when Pakistan might launch a crackdown on militant groups in the eastern province of Punjab, Qureshi said some lower level militants had been picked up and some eliminated.
"I think some major incidents have taken place in Lahore and woken the Punjab government up," Qureshi told foreign media in an interview at the end of a regional summit in Istanbul.
"I think they are coming out of the denial that they were living in."
The All Pakistan Muslim League (APML), as Muslim League was known in Pakistan, has had many factions and avtars ever since Jinnah's death. When Liaquat Ali Khan dismissed the Punjab Chief Minister Mamdot's ministry, he formed his own Jinnah Awami Muslim League. Mamdot was a very powerful landlord in the Punjab. People began to desert the APML and join Mamdot's party. At one point of time, Field Marshal Ayub Khan even banned APML, the party of Jinnah that created Pakistan ! Ayub Khan also became the head of his own Convention Muslim League, a splinter of the original Muslim League (this later became Pakistan Muslim League, PML).The organisation for the All Pakistan Muslim League (APML), headed by General (r) Pervez Musharraf, was formally launched in Sindh on Tuesday amid queries regarding accusations against the former military president of the country.
APML’s organiser Barrister Mohammad Ali Saif accompanied by former president’s spokesman Rashid Qureshi, addressing a crowded press conference at the Karachi Press Club on Tuesday said the party has received a positive response in Karachi and other parts of Sindh during the last three days in the party leaders’ meetings that were held in the city.
Responding to allegations against Musharraf including violation of constitution, dozens of killings at Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, Benazir Bhutto and Nawab Akbar Bugti’s assassination, and killings of over 40 people in Karachi on May 12, 2007, the party leader said he knew such questions would be asked as they had faced the same questions from people at different places. He added that all accusations would be answered and defended with documentary proofs at an appropriate time.
Inspector General of Islamabad Police Syed Kaleem Imam told The News that apparently the terrorists came from Taxila direction, riding on motorbikes and they also had the back-up support.
Eyewitnesses said that at least 15 attackers riding double cabin vehicles and motorcycles and equipped with sophisticated weapons reached the yard at about 12:00 midnight and opened firing at Nato ling wheelers, adding that they were carrying hand grenades and patrol bombs and they hurled patrol bombs at oil tankers and set it on fire one by one.
The police claimed that the terrorists were still in the area and continued shooting at the trailers and oil tankers for over an hour during enflaming the long wheelers. The law enforcing agencies were chasing the terrorists who are scattered in the area and trying to hunt them down.
At least one of these commandos is now seeking Nawaz Sharif's support !jrjrao wrote:Interesting read about two Paki army commandos who opposed Lal Masjid operations and who have since been punished, tortured, court-martialed and more.
Lal Masjid commandos seek Supreme Court’s intervention
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=29350
Ghulam Ahmad, one of the two Army commandos court-martialled for opposing the Lal Masjid operation, who earlier wrote to Chief Justice of Pakistan, has decided to approach Nawaz Sharif also, for securing relief as he served with him in the Attock Fort during the latter’s detention.
Ghulam Ahmad was deputed to guard Nawaz Sharif who was thrown in the fort after he was overthrown in a bloodless coup by the then Army chief, Pervez Musharraf.
A family member recollecting the words of Ghulam Ahmad said he had fond memories of the time spent with Nawaz Sharif. “It was a terrible time for Nawaz Sharif and we tried to provide him the maximum possible comfort,” one family member said, quoting the court-martialled soldier. Ghulam Ahmad’s family is a staunch supporter of the PML-N. Even this time, they voted for the party’s candidate from Chakwal, Ayaz Amir, a renowned journalist who contested on the PML-N ticket.
“I used to feel bad to see Mian Sahib in a pathetic condition and wondered how the most powerful man of yesterday has been left on our mercy,” Ghulam Ahmad would discuss with his friends later. “I once had a chance to speak with Main Sahib and said: ‘Don’t worry. God will be kind on you’.” Recalling Nawaz Sharif’s departure to Saudi Arabia under a deal with Pervez Musharraf government, Ghulam Ahmad is said to have told his close friends that they couldn’t get wind of the matter.
It was the holy month of Ramazan. “Nawaz Sharif invited all his security guards deputed to guard him him to break their fasts together. Who knows when we may see each other again,” Ghulam Ahmad told his friends, saying Sharif’s last line left all of them guessing as what may happen the next day. The riddle was resolved when Nawaz Sharif was escorted out of the fort and flown to Saudi Arabia.
Now when Ghulam Ahmad is passing through a difficult time, he is desperate to contact every influential person he knows, hoping that somebody could relieve him of this agony and help him approach the superior courts for a review of his court martial judgment. Incidentally, Ghulam Ahmad had also closely worked with the late Lt Col Haroon-ul-Islam, commanding officer of Zarar Company, who had ordered taking him into custody for dissenting views on the Lal Masjid operation. Ghulam Ahmad and Lt Col Haroon had received SSG training together in Cherat, a family source said.
It is intriguing to note that Ghulam Ahmad was detained on May 2, 2007 for dissenting views about an operation launched two months later. Such an early action and debate within the Zarar Company suggests the operation was on the cards months before the military action, said an analyst.
Petroleum ministry sources told Dawn on Tuesday that PSO’s total receivables touched Rs135.4 billion on June 8 while its payables exceeded Rs119.2 billion. As a result, the country’s largest fuel supplier was finding it difficult to honour its Rs38.8 billion commitment to Kuwait Petroleum and other fuel oil suppliers and Rs80 billion to local refineries.
The sources said that Wapda owed PSO Rs43.5 billion while Hubco Rs52 billion. Hubco, the sources said, could not make its payment because of over Rs40 billion bills unpaid by Pepco.
Surprisingly, there are not many Taliban sympathisers in Fata and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Only 22pc respondents in Fata and 25.3pc in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa believe the Taliban are fighting for Islam. — Photo by Reuters
Following the footsteps of Altaf Hussain is he? Running his party from Londonistan.
A gathering of the leaders of 13 religious and political parties in Lahore claimed that the attack on Ahmedis on May 28 was part of a conspiracy to repeal the laws against them, BBCUrdu reported.
The meeting was held in an office of the Majlis Ahrar Islam in Lahore's Muslim Town. The parties concluded that a conspiracy was in place to debate the laws against Ahmedis, the report said.
Maulana Zahidul Rashdi, who is a founding member of the Muttahida Tehrik-i-Khatm-i-Nabuwat and also the Secretary-General of the Pakistan Shariat Council, read the joint statement at the meeting’s conclusion: The attack on Ahmedis is being used as an excuse to generate suspicions regarding the concept of khatm-i-nabuwat.
The gathering was attended by leaders of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Jamiat-i-ulema-i-Islam Fazlur Rahman group, Jamaatud Dawa and Markazi Jamaat-i-Ahl-i-Sunnat among others.
During the meeting, Maulana Ilyas Chinioti, a member of the PML-N and the Punjab provincial assembly, condemned Nawaz Sharif's statement in which he had sympathised with the Ahmedis and called them his brothers.
The meeting's participants demanded that Nawaz Sharif immediately withdraw his statement.
The date was May 28, 2010. At least seven men, including three suicide bombers, attacked two Ahmedi worship places in Lahore’s Model Town and Garhi Shahu neighbourhoods. The attacks resulted in the deaths of over 80 worshippers. Later on, a Jamaat-i-Ahmediya Pakistan spokesman put the toll at 95. Countless others were injured. As for the attackers,...
Apparently their motto is "Pa'astan First". The corner chai wallah (at the corner of Broadway and 42nd) tells me that Mushy thought of this slogan when his wife complained earlier that Mushy was so busy that he never ###### her. He replied "No, honey, Pa'astan First".
Arun it was something I posted on Pakteahouse, where my current rant has been deletedA_Gupta wrote:Shiv and others had written about the flaws in the argument that explicitly Islamic parties like Jamaat-i-Islami get only around 10% of the vote in Pakistani elections and therefore there is little support for fundamentalism in the Pakistan general public. Any pointers to where to find that?
Pakistani and Western media have made it a point to say that only 12.5646789% of the electorate (or some similar cooked up figure) voted for Islamic parties. This is repeated in report after report after report almost as though people are reassuring themselves that Islamic parties have little support in Pakistan. And this statistic that has been converted into fact by repetition is subtly used to convey the impression that Pakistanis are not “fundamentalists”.
The most hilarious thing (to me) about this little semantic trick is that “Islamic parties” in Pakistan are being equated with “fundamentalism” suggesting that if one is Islamic one is a fundamentalist. Mind you it’s not just the kafirs who say this – it is Pakistanis who insist that “Fundamentalists cannot come to power in Pakistan because “only” xyz% people voted for the Islamist parties”. What could be the reason for Pakistanis, citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, to make a connection between being Islamic and being fundamentalist?
Please tell me. Does being Islamic mean being a “fundamentalist”? Clearly 97% of Pakistanis are Islamic. Are they fundamentalist? So what is it about the Islamic parties that makes them more fundamentalist than other Pakistanis? It is because they want sharia? Is it because they hate Ahmedis? It cannot be. The same “moderate, non fundamentalist Pakistan” where the majority “do not vote for Islamist parties” has already tried to implement half-baked sharia and is unable to prevent sectarian killings. And the same “moderate, non fundamentalist Pakistan” has sold itself out to America as a hedge against the kafirs of India.
http://news.oneindia.in/2010/06/09/floo ... jabne.htmlFlood of Waziristan extremists seeking to make Pak Punjab new terror base
Lahore, Jun.9 (ANI): After being flushed out of Waziristan by the Pakistan Army, extremists are now trying to expand their terror territory and establish their new base in the Punjab province, which has witnessed several bloody strikes resulting in death of countless innocent persons in the recent past.
uzz up!This was revealed during interrogation of some of the injured militants, who were nabbed in a raid conducted by security officials in the township area of Lahore.At least nine alleged terrorists were arrested during the raid."Four suspects could not speak any other language except Afghani and all of them had bullet wounds. During the police raid, law enforcers found all four being treated at the house, which was acting as a mini-hospital. The police team also found weapons and ammunition at the house, besides a large quantity of drugs,"
There is no language called Afghani! And if these are from Waziristan they speak Pashtu.Four suspects could not speak any other language except Afghani and all of them had bullet wounds.
As long as they were not speaking pakistani, they are foreigners.ramana wrote:There is no language called Afghani! And if these are from Waziristan they speak Pashtu.Four suspects could not speak any other language except Afghani and all of them had bullet wounds.
Good job! Let the Pakis read it and smell some coffee.A_Gupta wrote:Shiv,
I'm setting up a new web-site.
http://answer2pakteahouse.blogspot.com/
If you don't mind, I'll copy it there.
-Arun
Very well said........As long as they were not speaking pakistani, they are foreigners.
( its conspiracy onlee, pakistan is Islam and Islam forbid possesion by Right hand and the safey of Zhimmis)KHANEWAL, Pakistan, June 7 (CDN) — The head of a Muslim village last week ordered 250 Christian families to leave their homes in Khanewal district, Punjab Province, local residents said.Abdul Sattar Khan, head of village No. 123/10R, Katcha Khoh, and other area Muslim residents ordered the expulsions after Christian residents objected too strenuously to sexual assaults by Muslims on Christian girls and women, said a locally elected Christian official, Emmanuel Masih.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... mir-us.htmThe US does not think the Kashmir issue is on the table for resumption of a composite Indo-Pak dialogue saying the "real question" right now is how Pakistan progressed in ending cross-border terrorism and trial of Mumbai [ Images ] attacks' suspects.
The Obama [ Images ] Administration however acknowledged that Kashmir is a "very important issue" between India [ Images ] and Pakistan and hoped the two neighbouring countries would make progress on resolving this issue.
It also said there is "no change" in its Kashmir policy. "I don't think Kashmir is really the question that's on the table now," said Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake [ Images ] in an interview to BBC. "The real question right now is to first, I think, get some progress on the trial of the Mumbai suspects, those who are already in custody in Pakistan and also from the Indian perspective to see progress by Pakistan on stopping actions by Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ] and other Punjab-based terrorist groups against India," Blake said.
Giving the American perspective on the Indo-US talks, Blake said the above mentioned issues were the real "redlines" for re-establishing the composite dialogue between India and Pakistan.
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... l-quagmireIn my opinion the issue is not that population is radicalized but rather actually too timid due to the extreme veneration of religion and its fanatic patronage by the clergy.
A recent assessment by the military intelligence (MI) of the Indian Army of the Pakistan Army’s deployment in a counter insurgency (CI) role in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) has concluded that 35% of Pakistan Army troops are engaged in that role, thereby creating 'gaps' or 'holes' on the Indo-Pak border.
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Going by the MI assessment, Pakistan's total commitment in Al-Mizan has 5 infantry division headquarters, 14 infantry brigade headquarters, 39 infantry battalions, one artillery brigade headquarters, and 44 other units
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As per the MI assessment, seven units from 1 Corps, three from 2 Corps and 19 from 11 Corps are detailed for CI in FATA. The maximum number of troops is from the 11, 1, 31 and 10 Corps, making two brigades from ARN and one from ARS. But no troops are from 12 Corps.
In a recent war-game conducted by the Pakistan Army at the Indo-Pak border, 50,000 troops were mobilised in three days from one end of the country to the other. Gen Malik says: "During Op Parakram, we took 20 days to mobilise our troops and the lesson learnt was to reduce the timing, which brought forth the doctrine of cold start, for strategic re-location; today, we are in a much better position. As far as Pakistan is concerned, its distances are shorter, compared to the locations of the Indian Army's defensive corps."
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The five defensive holding Corps of the Pakistan Army against the entire Indian border are:
31 Corps (Bahawalpur) has 18 Brigades of which six are to guard the border. One Division headquarter and two brigades out of these are in FATA
30 Corps (Gujranwala) has four (14, 10, 54, 104) of out of its nine brigades employed in FATA.
10 Corps (Rawalpindi) has a total 17 brigades of which 13 brigades should be deployed at the border of which one Division and five (1, 7, 26, 28, 333) brigades are in FATA..
5 Corps (Karachi) has six out of its 10 brigades for the border of which one (105) is in FATA.
4 Corps (Lahore) has 17 brigades out of which eight should be at the border of which three (22, 105, 106) are in FATA.
Overall assessment:
1. Pakistan can best do if it has all its troops.
2. Considering the deficiency of troops, minimum time taken for a cohesive defence structure will take two-three days, thereby delaying mobilisation time due to the voids at the border.
MI further states in its presentation that Pakistan has taken steps to address these shortcomings, the most important being doctrinal changes like raising task forces. Other steps are raising reserve Division and Brigade headquarters to fill up the void in the forward tier, like the 165 brigade headquarter to be raised in the 18 infantry division.
Six out of 19 divisions and 26 out of 69 brigades are employed in internal security duties, making it around 35 percent of the Pakistan troops engaged in a CI role.
The survey can be found here (PDF file):Brad Goodman wrote:masters of taquiya have done is again look at the movie poster in background to the article
Most Pakistanis are pacifist, says survey
Conclusion
The question is: what do these findings signify?
The survey clearly captures growing religiosity among the masses. It is not surprising that 65 per cent of the respondents said that a person who did not pray five times a day could not become a better Muslim. Nearly 59 per cent of them contended that the struggle for the implementation of Shariah was also jihad. But despite their conservatism, about 81 per cent of the survey population also considered female education as “extremely necessary”. Only a small percentage (12.5) thought it was “not very important”. Similarly, 58.7 per cent of the people felt that women should be allowed to work outside their home. However, nearly 40 per cent of them disagreed with the proposition.
All these findings indicate that the average Pakistani takes his religion seriously and wishes to see it in the public domain. But, unlike the Taliban, he does not want to make it claustrophobic for other people. The average Pakistani thus wants to look progressive in a conservative framework. He is caught between two competing narratives: the first one, which is primarily grounded in religion and is now championed by militant groups, makes him want to see his religion triumph; the other, usually trotted out by the government and the media, is mostly based on information and rational analysis, making him realize the significance of progressing in the world.
A_Gupta wrote:Shiv,
I'm setting up a new web-site.
http://answer2pakteahouse.blogspot.com/
If you don't mind, I'll copy it there.
-Arun
Arun you are welcome to copy anything I write there.The first comment I received from Pagan was a good one.shiv wrote:A_Gupta wrote:Shiv,
I'm setting up a new web-site.
http://answer2pakteahouse.blogspot.com/
If you don't mind, I'll copy it there.
-Arun
US vacillation with respect to Afghanistan and Pakistan has become a matter of concern. When the Afghanistan President, Mr Hamid Karzai, arrived in Washington on May 7, the Presidential Adviser, Mr Doug Lute, said: “There is a new compact between his (Karzai's) Government and the Afghan people.”
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The prevarications are evident even with respect to dealing with Pakistan's role as a hub of global terror. Shortly after the unsuccessful terrorist attack at New York's Times Square by Faisal Shahzad, evidence emerged that Shahzad had visited North Waziristan where the “Haqqani Taliban network” of the Afghan Taliban is located, together with the Al Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban. US anger at the refusal of the Pakistan army to act against the Haqqani network was soon voiced.
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The fact that the Obama Administration is a house divided, however, soon became clear.
The Defence Secretary, Mr Robert Gates, sought to justify Pakistan's terrorist connections by alluding to a “deficit of trust” between the US and Pakistan. Mr Gates also said there was “some justification” for Pakistan's concerns about past American policies, not only because of what the Americans did during Pakistan's “past wars with India”, but also the imposition of US sanctions in 1992, after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan.
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Knowing this American dilemma, a hard-headed professional like General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani — whom the CIA has noted as describing Afghan Taliban leader, Jalaluddin Haqqani, as a “strategic asset”— is hardly likely to end his support for radical Islamic groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan, merely on account of persuasion by some members of the US Army or administration. Afghan Taliban leaders will conveniently “disappear” if General Kayani commences military “Operations” in North Waziristan at US' behest.
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Given the prevailing inconsistencies in US policies, India needs to widen its diplomatic options in dealing with developments in Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia's Prince Turki al Faisal has been scathingly critical of US flip-flops on Afghanistan.
The time has come to initiate a regional initiative — involving Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China, together with the US that guarantees the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Afghanistan, free from all foreign interference, in its internal affairs.
A Pakistani-born American man accused of providing support for Al-Qaeda's efforts to combat US forces in Afghanistan was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years in prison, officials said.
US Attorney Preet Bharara said that "Hashmi was held accountable for his conduct, and his sentence makes clear that individuals who provide material will be brought to justice."
Hashmi, born in Pakistan and educated in New York, was accused of letting a terrorism suspect stay in his student apartment in London and allowing the man to use his cell phone to call other suspects.The guest also had a supply of rain gear, such as ponchos and waterproof socks, that was allegedly being delivered to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan.
LAHORE: A gathering of the leaders of 13 religious and political parties in Lahore claimed that the attack on Ahmedis on May 28 was part of a conspiracy to repeal the laws against them, BBCUrdu reported. So they tried to kill themselves to repeal laws against themselves
The meeting was held in an office of the Majlis Ahrar Islam in Lahore's Muslim Town. The parties concluded that a conspiracy was in place to debate the laws against Ahmedis, the report said. According to Pakbarians even discussing discrimination is a conspiracy...
Maulana Zahidul Rashdi, who is a founding member of the Muttahida Tehrik-i-Khatm-i-Nabuwat and also the Secretary-General of the Pakistan Shariat Council, read the joint statement at the meeting’s conclusion: The attack on Ahmedis is being used as an excuse to generate suspicions regarding the concept of khatm-i-nabuwat.
The gathering was attended by leaders of the Jamaat-i-Islami, Jamiat-i-ulema-i-Islam Fazlur Rahman group, Jamaatud Dawa and Markazi Jamaat-i-Ahl-i-Sunnat among others.
During the meeting, Maulana Ilyas Chinioti, a member of the PML-N and the Punjab provincial assembly, condemned Nawaz Sharif's statement in which he had sympathised with the Ahmedis and called them his brothers. so they are not brothers, but enemies.....
The meeting's participants demanded that Nawaz Sharif immediately withdraw his statement. we can be sure this Pakbarian animal will do that pronto....
anupmisra wrote:Note the title:
American gets 15 years for aiding Al-Qaeda
A Pakistani-born American man accused of providing support for Al-Qaeda's efforts to combat US forces in Afghanistan was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years in prison, officials said.US Attorney Preet Bharara said that "Hashmi was held accountable for his conduct, and his sentence makes clear that individuals who provide material will be brought to justice."Hashmi, born in Pakistan and educated in New York, was accused of letting a terrorism suspect stay in his student apartment in London and allowing the man to use his cell phone to call other suspects.The guest also had a supply of rain gear, such as ponchos and waterproof socks, that was allegedly being delivered to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan.