Bharat Rakshak

shiv wrote:

sanjeevpunj wrote:Yes, Shiv ji, Hindus organisations are deeply concerned about defending entire country, whereas some of the Muslim or Christian organisations may satisfy themselves with voicing concern of their 15% or 10% minority populations, which is natural,as they represent minorities. However they also should come up and condemn these acts.

Statements like "Muslim organizations did not condemn the act" is asking for, in fact demanding an equal equal. It is bad politics to make such a stupid statement constructed in that way even if it is 100% true. Any fool would then be able to scour the media and ask "Which Hindu organizations condemned the act?"
I cringe with horror at the fundamental rhetorical errors made by some people who let loose high volume support for Hindus. I think Madrassa and and Islamic education give a far better education in rhetoric and politics. Pointing that out is difficult because one immediately gets accused of being psec or islam pasand. Some arguments just make it dead easy for Islam pasand people to have a good ROTFL.

Chandragupta wrote:Wait and watch how P-secs rush after Justice Iyer like rabid dogs.

sanjeevpunj wrote:

Chandragupta wrote:Wait and watch how P-secs rush after Justice Iyer like rabid dogs.

Did I make an error posting Justice Iyer's words then?...

Chandragupta wrote:Nobody wants to say this out aloud but until & unless Islam is completely cleansed out of the subcontinent, Indics would continue to die. Let's not naively assume that even a majority of 250 million Indian muslims have burning patriotism inside their hearts. Not saying rest 900 million Hindus are ideal citizens but they do will never have an ideological compulsion to attack their own country & people.

ashish raval wrote:Well, in which case we cannot rule out Digvijay and Congress's role too
Mumbai blasts: Can’t rule out hand of Hindu outfits, says Digvijay

nikhilarora wrote:

Chandragupta wrote:Nobody wants to say this out aloud but until & unless Islam is completely cleansed out of the subcontinent, Indics would continue to die. Let's not naively assume that even a majority of 250 million Indian muslims have burning patriotism inside their hearts. Not saying rest 900 million Hindus are ideal citizens but they do will never have an ideological compulsion to attack their own country & people.

How do you do exactly this CLEANSING of Islam from the subcontinent?? And how exactly do you defend that ISLAM should be cleansed because INDICS are dieing because of them??

suryag wrote:Btw i often find two types of Hindus, the first type being overtly anti-islamic and the second being the more chanakian types who simply mask their hatred for islam and propagate strategies to neutralise them or would advocate limited co-existence as way of continuing with nation building

suryag wrote:Btw i often find two types of Hindus, the first type being overtly anti-islamic and the second being the more chanakian types who simply mask their hatred for islam and propagate strategies to neutralise them or would advocate limited co-existence as way of continuing with nation building

RajeshA wrote:

suryag wrote:Btw i often find two types of Hindus, the first type being overtly anti-islamic and the second being the more chanakian types who simply mask their hatred for islam and propagate strategies to neutralise them or would advocate limited co-existence as way of continuing with nation building

And then there are Islamism Apologist Hindus (IAH) like Diggy.

suryag wrote:rajeshaji i dont consider him hindu, basically he will sell anything to curry favours and be a minister/cm

Chandragupta wrote: Relax. No need to go hyper. I am not a piskology doctor who can twist his words around & still make his point without making it. I am putting in black & white because that's the only way I know. You folks can keep on ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room for all I care. The way I see it, these people wouldn't have died if there was no Pakistan. There would be no Pakistan if a considerable portion of Indians did not want a separate state. This considerable number of Indians would not have wanted a separate state if they were not Muslims & if they could share the air they breath with the native dirty kafirs. The fact that these people were Indian Muslims some 60 odd years back must not be ignored. In 1857, I am sure there was no dearth of people believing in joint Hindu Muslim harmony & brotherhood and living happily ever after throwing the British out. It took less than 100 years for that to come crashing down.
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sumishi wrote:

Chandragupta wrote: Relax. No need to go hyper. I am not a piskology doctor who can twist his words around & still make his point without making it. I am putting in black & white because that's the only way I know. You folks can keep on ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room for all I care. The way I see it, these people wouldn't have died if there was no Pakistan. There would be no Pakistan if a considerable portion of Indians did not want a separate state. This considerable number of Indians would not have wanted a separate state if they were not Muslims & if they could share the air they breath with the native dirty kafirs. The fact that these people were Indian Muslims some 60 odd years back must not be ignored. In 1857, I am sure there was no dearth of people believing in joint Hindu Muslim harmony & brotherhood and living happily ever after throwing the British out. It took less than 100 years for that to come crashing down.
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It was not the "want" of a considerable number of muslims -- it was the result of machinations of Jinnah with the British supporting the creation of Pakistan from a strategic perspective (Read "The Untold Story of Partition" by Narendra Singh Sarila) in the Great Game against the USSR.
Later, US played the same game by setting up the Islamic jihadis in Afghanistan against the USSR

sanjeevpunj wrote:We must essentially set individual differences (based on religion) aside, and work for building a great India, whatever the world calls it later on, secular,harmonious co-existence model, whatever, doesn't matter more than what we achieve -an India that is peaceful,strong,stable,and free from ignorance.

nikhilarora wrote: If you see the poor uneducated hindus can also be easily influenced by propaganda and brought to violence as has been done by political parties. Cannot the govt. atleast be proactive and put the internal security in order so that such incidents can be restricted and don't occur again under strict vigil?? Tell me which one is easier?? Pray, give it a thought! Its like for pest control, bring down the house!

Chandragupta wrote:Please give me one instance where poor uneducated Hindus went to a foreign country, strapped themselves with C4, armed with AK 47s, killed hundreds of innocent people, shouting 'Jai Bajrang Bali'' all the time & deriving justification from the Bhagwad Geeta & the Vedas. Please don't just post bull.

nikhilarora wrote:

Chandragupta wrote:Please give me one instance where poor uneducated Hindus went to a foreign country, strapped themselves with C4, armed with AK 47s, killed hundreds of innocent people, shouting 'Jai Bajrang Bali'' all the time & deriving justification from the Bhagwad Geeta & the Vedas. Please don't just post bull.

With all due respect, you didn't get my point! My agenda was not that poor Hindus perform terrorism by strapping themselves with bombs. They don't and they never will. My point was it is easy for uneducated people to get influenced by propaganda. And I meant political violence within India and not terrorism. Please comprehend the facts and then comment. Secondly, I don't think any of it justifies wiping out the whole ISLAM population. PERIOD.

Widening its probe into Wednesday's serial bombings, Maharashtra's Anti-Terrorist Squad is likely to question suspected Indian Mujahideen members lodged in Karnataka and Gujarat jails and has sought the assistance of Kolkata Police in tracking possible suspects.

"A police team from Karnataka has come to Mumbai to help us. An ATS team from Maharashtra will also go to Karnataka and Ahmedabad to question the IM members lodged in the jails there," said a police official.

The ATS is likely to grill suspected IM member Danish Riyaz in Ahmedabad who had been arrested there in connection with the 2008 serial blasts in Gujarat.

In Karnataka, police will also question those who are believed to have an association with family members of Riyaz and Iqbal Bhatkal, the founder members of Indian Mujahideen.

The ATS has also sought assistance from Kolkata Police asking them to verify if any suspects had travelled to Mumbai from that city and subsequently went underground after the blasts, as part of its probe into the triple bombings in Zaveri Bazar, Opera House and Dadar that left 19 people dead and injured over 130.

The ATS has questioned the owner of a bike, which was found very close to the blast site in Zaveri Bazar here, to put together the sequence of events on July 13.

The maroon colour Honda Activa bearing number MH-01-AS 718 was one of the bikes which was very close to the blast site and was partially destroyed in the bombings.

The bike belongs to one Ashok Jain who lives in Nagpada area.

Ashok's nephew Aniket Jain, whose father owns a jewellery shop in Zaveri Bazar, said his uncle had parked the bike close to the blast site at around 3 pm on Wednesday while the blasts occurred at around 6:55 pm.

"ATS had called Ashok to its office at Nagpada yesterday with all the papers pertaining to the bike," said Aniket.

The insurance of the bike had expired two months ago. "We did not even realise that the insurance has expired," he said.

The front portion of the bike was completely destroyed in the blasts and the vehicle is presently in the custody of the police. Police suspect that the blasts were triggered with the use of IED kept in an abandoned umbrella, on one of the bikes there.

Meanwhile, one of the victims of the blasts today died in a city hospital, taking the death toll in the bombings to 19.

Babulal Das, 42, who was admitted to Saifee Hospital after the blast at Opera House, died around 3am.

Twenty people, who were seriously injured in the bombings, are being treated at various hospitals in the city.

Chandragupta wrote:

sanjeevpunj wrote:We must essentially set individual differences (based on religion) aside, and work for building a great India, whatever the world calls it later on, secular,harmonious co-existence model, whatever, doesn't matter more than what we achieve -an India that is peaceful,strong,stable,and free from ignorance.

No offence, sanjeev guru but

abhishek_sharma wrote:BJP seeks apology from Sonia for Digvijay's remark on blasts

Arjun wrote:

abhishek_sharma wrote:BJP seeks apology from Sonia for Digvijay's remark on blasts

I recollect somebody on this board had ranted about the tendency to blame 'Catholic ladies' and Muslims for the problems of terrorism in India.

Regarding the latter, I fully share the concern. One needs to be careful about distinguishing the majority of peaceful Muslims from the minority of Islamists who believe in a literal version of Islam.

As for the former - while being respectful of India's Catholic community in general, a specific Catholic lady has exhibited no compunction in having her minions make outrageous claims regarding the Mumbai blasts. While Mumbai tries to recover yet again from this tragedy, her party believes it is premature to blame Pakistan but not premature to blame the RSS. I believe this outrage confers legitimacy on any and every CT that looks into Congress and Sonia having engineered the Mumbai blasts to escape from her other scams.

Bottomline- remember that blaming Muslims is not kosher, but blaming a certain Catholic lady and her party for the blasts is very much kosher.

sanjeevpunj wrote: If that statement I made can make you roll over the floor and laugh, I begin to wonder .........either you sure must be having a good day today, and this triggered your funny bone or something was scratching you and you needed the roll on the floor.Anyway I still stand by what I said, to build a strong India, the first step is to shed individual differences, and get cracking on doing the needful.

suryag wrote:Btw i often find two types of Hindus, the first type being overtly anti-islamic and the second being the more chanakian types who simply mask their hatred for islam and propagate strategies to neutralise them or would advocate limited co-existence as way of continuing with nation building

harbans wrote:India and the world will at some level have to deal and address Literal Islam. Literal Islam is at odds with pluralist, secular setups. No pluralist and secular type setup can forever exist with literal Islam as the latter is meant to subsume the former. This thing about 'wiping out Muslims' is not applicable as wiping out Germans was not required to wipe out Nazism. At the doctrinal levels Islams conflict with pluralist, democratic and secular societies like India will always exist. Somewhere at the doctrinal level the conflict will have to be dealt with in an open and honest manner. In no way this implies all Muslims are evil or inclined to violence. But many who are swayed by the literal version are. And many who are not, remain loyal and peace abiding citizens of this and other countries.