Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Oct 2011 08:16

Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world ... 9DD0A9EB4D

US assures Pakistan - no Boots on the ground...

Only drones acceptable so TSPA can claim they don't know what is going on?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Oct 2011 09:13

Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world ... 9DD0A9EB4D

US assures Pakistan - no Boots on the ground...

I am now convinced that there has been a massive guboing in private by TSP for this turn around by US.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Oct 2011 09:23

CRamS wrote:
I am now convinced that there has been a massive guboing in private by TSP for this turn around by US.

It is a comforting consolation to think that Pakistan must be suffering in private. I am inclined to believe that every dossier send from India to Pakistan caused an equivalent amount of private suffering to Pakistanis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Oct 2011 09:29

Shiv, Being bakras they probably ate the dossiers and hence the suffering in privates.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 01 Oct 2011 09:35

shiv wrote:
CRamS wrote:
I am now convinced that there has been a massive guboing in private by TSP for this turn around by US.
It is a comforting consolation to think that Pakistan must be suffering in private. I am inclined to believe that every dossier send from India to Pakistan caused an equivalent amount of private suffering to Pakistanis.

Not enough saar

We want a public humiliation onlee.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 01 Oct 2011 10:05

Adm. Mike Mullen talking to David Ignatius of the Washington Post:

So what brings a smile to Mullen’s face, right off, is the feat of sheer military prowess in the May 2 raid that killed Osama bin Laden. Mullen remembers the mess that was Desert One in 1980 — helicopters that didn’t work, aircraft that crashed, shortage of parts, bad training. Watching that fiasco, he recalls, “I sensed that we were in trouble as a military.”

In the Abbottabad raid, it was obvious that this problem of competence is largely fixed.

Every night, U.S. Special Operations forces conduct missions almost as complicated as the bin Laden assault. Mullen describes today’s military machine as fearsomely efficient: “a combat-hardened, combat-experienced, extraordinarily professional, competent, all-volunteer force.”

The biggest frustration of Mullen’s four years as chairman was surely Pakistan. He decided early on to forge a personal relationship with Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, the army chief, in the hope that it might be a solid bridge between the two countries. Mullen says that looking back he didn’t realize the extent of the “trust deficit.”

Increasingly, it became clear to Mullen that Pakistan’s problems were embedded in the economic, political and cultural fabric of the country. They’re on “a declining glide slope,” Mullen explains, and this isn’t something America can fix.

http://www.thefrontierpost.com/?p=61962

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Oct 2011 10:05

Mujke Duniya walo , Naukar na Samjo

Talk to, not at, Pakistan
Ass Saaf A1 Zardari,
Democracy always favors dialogue over confrontation. So, too, in Pakistan, where the terrorists who threaten both our country and the United States have gained the most from the recent verbal assaults some in America have made against Pakistan. This strategy is damaging the relationship between Pakistan and the United States and compromising common goals in defeating terrorism, extremism and fanaticism.Our motives are simple. We have a huge population of young people who have few choices in life. Our task is to turn this demographic challenge into a dividend for democracy and pluralism, where the embrace of tolerance elbows out the lure of extremism, where jobs turn desolation into opportunity and empowerment, where plowshares take the place of guns, where women and minorities have a meaningful place in society. We have hemorrhaged approximately $100 billion directly in the war effort and tens of billions more in lost foreign investment. The war is being fought in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, yet Washington has invested almost nothing on our side of the border and hundreds of billions of dollars on the other side.

( Khanne Kheere , Marnia Bhabka, Te Bhaa Poochna badama da)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Oct 2011 10:08

La La Lola time
Don't give up on Pakistan

There is little doubt among Washington's military and intelligence community that the ISI has long provided backing for Haqqani. The nature of that backing is unclear, and Mullen took the accusations a step further by implying that the ISI actually controls Haqqani rather than merely supporting it. He provided little in the way of evidence, although military officials revealed that cellphones recovered after a Haqqani attack on the U.S. Embassy in Kabul last month showed that the insurgents were in contact with ISI operatives. But even that evidence is murky. What's clear is that Haqqani is actively fighting American troops in Afghanistan and is an enemy of the United States.
Does that mean that officially declaring it a foreign terrorist organization, as Feinstein suggested, would be a good idea? Haqqani appears to richly deserve the designation, which would allow any U.S. financial institutions holding its funds to seize them, but that would be fraught with risks. Primary among them is that it could lead to Pakistan being designated a state sponsor of terrorism, which would end U.S. aid to the country and almost certainly end all cooperation from Islamabad in the fight against insurgents in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. It would also eliminate hopes that Haqqani, a group under the control of an aging mujahedin leader who was backed by the U.S. during the Afghan struggle against the Soviets in the 1980s, could be engaged in negotiations to end the fighting in Afghanistan.
Cutting off military aid, another step that seems reasonable given the allegations of ISI duplicity, also courts disaster. Pakistan's powerful military has remained quiet and noncommittal in the wake of Mullen's remarks, but the loss of funds would most likely provoke a backlash, perhaps leading to an end of military cooperation between the two countries.

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 01 Oct 2011 10:14

CONFESSIONS OF A PAKISTANI TERRORIST

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 01 Oct 2011 10:17

What is happening to Pakistani larkis

PS. Nice dance!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Oct 2011 10:21

lo bhai..kallo gal

just when you thought all the beards dancing on the street to "crush" yamrika...they have other reasons to come on streets.

ATC awards death penalty to Mumtaz Qadri

Whatever happened to his rock solid defence using quoranic verses. Did the Judge committ blasphemy now by sentencing Qadri?

here is the earlier report:
Mumtaz Qadri pleads guilty to killing Salmaan Taseer over 'blasphemous' statements

He said that Qadri had also submitted a written statement of 40 pages, containing verses from the holy Quran, quotations from the life of the Prophet, four decisions of the Caliphs and views of Hanafi, Shafai, Maliki, Hanbali and Jafria schools of thought from the Islamic jurisprudence about blasphemy under section 265-F (5) of the CrPC.

Qadri contended that Taseer had committed blasphemy under these references and, every person who committed such act or supported a blasphemer or doubted that the punishment of blasphemer was unjustified or practically tried to abolish sentence for commission of blasphemy, was liable to death.

The defence lawyer said the prosecution raised no objection to the statement, therefore, the judge admitted the statement and made it a part of the court record.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Oct 2011 10:36

^^^
The judge has to run now. The Mullah who led funeral prayers for Salman Taseer was hounded so much that he has left the country.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Oct 2011 10:42

^^yes..I am refreshing my browser on the dawn dot com page to see if there is a breaking news about a Judge being shot down

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Oct 2011 10:48

If Iqbal were alive today, he would have taken the body, arranged for a million people to attend the funeral and buried it with full honors like he did for Ilm-ud-din.

Hopefully Pakistan can rise to the occasion vis-a-vis Qadri and honor a brave Ghazi the same way.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 01 Oct 2011 10:51

You surely mean body of the judge since he is the one who got the death sentence, not Qadri.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Oct 2011 10:52

BTW: Why isn't US also bringing more pressure by asking Gulbudding Hekmatyar (aka Bulbudding Ghusaomatyaar in BR parlance) along with Hackany?

It will be interesting dynamic in having Pak to save both these worthies and the resultant fissures between them. We all know both are ISI stooges. US may atleast get one as a compromise

. Why is Mullen holding off the other shoe also from dropping? More dosage of truth serum required?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Oct 2011 10:57

Anujan wrote:If Iqbal were alive today, he would have taken the body, arranged for a million people to attend the funeral and buried it with full honors like he did for Ilm-ud-din.

Hopefully Pakistan can rise to the occasion vis-a-vis Qadri and honor a brave Ghazi the same way.

I am thinking who should come out in the open and take the role of salman taseer's father in supporting qadri so history can repeat itself all over again.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 Oct 2011 11:25

Also note that Salman Taseer's nanha was goatnapped some days back. It is dangerous to carry out Qadri's death sentence when the nanha has not been recovered.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 01 Oct 2011 12:00

from TFT

Floundering relationship

With the US-Pak relationship floundering, there's been a flurry of Pakistani visitors to the US and vice versa. Amongst government officials who've been doing the rounds is the Min of Fin and his team and the lady of the FO and her team. The FO lady has learnt the script well and rattles it off without a thought. She told an American official, at the height of the Kayani-Mullen row, that "America needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs America". The American official said, "No ma'am, it does not". FO lady then mentioned the transit route through Pakistan which supplies US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. The official told her that the US had 95% reliance on Pakistan in the early 2000s for that, and "by the end of 2011, it will be 33%". The Min of Fin hasn't had any success with the IMF either. He was told that previously the US used to weigh in on Pakistan's behalf, with "the Secretary of State making a call to the head of the Fund" but that this year the call wasn't made.

Folly of Nawaz Sharif

Writing in Express Asadullah Ghalib stated that Nawaz Sharif had made a great mistake in publicly expressing his desire to become friends with India. Such talks is not from the heart but at the bidding of the Americans who hate Pakistan which is proud of its army which drunk with Islamic passion (Islami jazbay say sarshar). This American hatred is without a cause (Khuda-wastay ka bair). If we become friends with India our status would be reduced to that of Bhutan and Sikkim. If today Pakistanis are living in peace (sic!) it is because of our defence capability. America is conspiring to deprive Pakistan of this capability.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 Oct 2011 12:18

Ombaba is surely giving competition to MMS in dossier diplomacy but baba also has a war to worry about. The silver lining is that now the whole world is going to see that there is only one language TSP understands. Indians have realised this. Now it is unkil's turn. Slowly but surely everyone will realise that there is only one solution. Give peace a chance, destroy TSPA.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 Oct 2011 13:33

Pak being "dumped?" Long time lover-boy Uncle Sam,appears to be wooing another "...stan" to replace double-crossing,two-timing,cheat,Pakistan! Despite innumerable warnings,rent-boy Pak,the "public convenience" of the Subcontinent has been fornicating with ungodly Afghanis ,the "Haqqanis",who have been shafting Uncle Sam again and again.

Uncle Sam now wants to dump Pak,or at the very least have a "stepney" for his needs and Uzbekistan is the preferered choice.Engaging with the states of Central Asia that were once part of the "Northern Alliance" is a departure from Uncle Sam's regional diplomacy.It is to be welcomed as the less Uncle Sam relies upon Pak,the better for the region and for India.

US finds new friend in Uzbekistan after Pakistan fallout
President Obama has asked Uzbekistan to expand its role in resupplying troops in Afghanistan as Washington tries to reduce its dependence on Pakistan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... llout.html

US President Barack Obama and Uzbekistan's president, Islam Karimov Photo: AP/REUTERS By Rob Crilly, Islamabad and James Kilner in Astana 30 Sep 2011

The past fortnight has seen relations between Islamabad and Washington sink to new lows over allegations that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency was working with the Haqqani network to direct attacks on American targets in Afghanistan.

The crisis, the latest in a turbulent year, has seen both countries scrambling to build up alternative regional alliances.

However, more than a third of supplies to Nato forces in Afghanistan pass through Pakistan, giving Islamabad a strong bargaining position.

A White House official said President Obama had discussed sending more supplies through the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan during a phone call with the country's president, Islam Karimov.

At the same time, Hillary Clinton met her Uzbek counterpart on Thursday, and Congress is considering legislative changes that would allow more military aid to the Central Asian despite its poor human rights record.

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"We value our relationship with Uzbekistan. They have been very helpful to us with respect to the Northern Distribution Network," said Mrs Clinton.

That route winds its way through Eastern Europe, Russia and Central Asia to Afghanistan and has already become more important in the past year as the US began switching supplies from Pakistan's roads.

But closer ties will anger human rights organisations which have protested proposed plans to send military aid to Uzbekistan for the first time since 2004, when funds were choked off as penalty for the country's poor human rights record.

Twenty groups, including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and International Crisis Group, signed a letter of protest sent to Mrs Clinton before her meeting with Mr Ganiev.

"We call on you to stand behind your strong past statements regarding human rights abuses in Uzbekistan," the letter said.

"We strongly urge you to oppose passage of the law and not to invoke this waiver."

At the same time, Pakistan has been looking to China as a foil for its dependence on the US with a series of high-level meetings during the past week.

However, yesterday it emerged that China Kingho Group had pulled out of a $19bn deal in southern Pakistan because of security concerns, according to The Wall Street Journal – suggesting Islamabad may not be able to rely on its giant neighbour as an alternative to the US.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Oct 2011 13:49

Anujan wrote:Also note that Salman Taseer's nanha was goatnapped some days back. It is dangerous to carry out Qadri's death sentence when the nanha has not been recovered.

Nanha might already be six feet under by now for all we know and only the video remains to be broadcast to the Kaffir world..

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 01 Oct 2011 15:59

I wait in my dark and narrow place for qadri riots, bombs, suicide bombs, shootings, street protests, arson.....you know some pakistaniyat. Is it too much to ask for...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 Oct 2011 16:04

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/194 ... error.html

because you think that you can keep a wild animal in the backyard and it will only go after your neighbour? We have too many stories where that doesn't turn out like that," Clinton said

You got it slightly wrong Hillary-ji...it is the other way around..the wild animals are keeping some mild cats exhibited in the porch for taqiya..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Oct 2011 17:08

Not one death sentence, but two! Does this mean 144?

The court handed down two death sentences for murder and terrorism to Qadri, who has seven days to file an appeal, state television reported.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Oct 2011 17:20

You got it slightly wrong Hillary-ji...it is the other way around..the wild animals are keeping some mild cats exhibited in the porch for taqiya..

Very apt observation Suppiah ji. This is so true. When that realization seeps in folks will know. Till then it's going to be more of ths same.

In the context of the expected rollbacking and down hill skiing we have witnessed, i mentioned earlier that the time when US will do what it is planning well ahead for will not happen. Plans exist in files, papers for scenarios obviously. But they are going to get dusted only depending upon events. Events are going to drive the interaction between Khan and Pak from now on. Before it was US policies that drove about what happened, and slowly events started overshadowing it, bit by tiny bit. Now even though several events prove Paki perfidy, US is in it's intertial throes of policy continuity. That's begun to change. The point of inflection has been reached. The relationship now will have it's own energy. Even Kayani's meetings with the CCs confirms, he cannot do anything by himself. Big time incidents occurring before in years have started happening every few months, sometimes lesser. This year has been hectic..the NAval base attack, Raymond Davis affair, Bin Laden and now the latest..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Oct 2011 17:57

Twitters from Rabail26:

More than 2000 supporters of #MumtazQadri protesting in #Lahore. Sunni Tehreek n other Barelvi grps part of it.

At the protest against Qadri verdict: "Jawaniyaan Luta'ain gey #MumtazQadri ko bachayein gey"

The protest began 1:30ish from DataDarbar n now have blocked Mall Rd in front of Punj Assembly. # of protesters reduced now.

Speaker @ #MumtazQadri supporting protest calling Judge Pervez Ali Shah a nonMuslim n other derogatory names.

Spkr @ #MumtazQadri protest sayin he got a note saying 50lacs will be given 2 the murderer of Judge who gave Qadri death sentence.

Barelvi grps PR guys really pissed off tht news coverage not being given to #MumtazQadri support protest.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Oct 2011 18:01

Pak making error by supporting terror groups against India: US

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Oct 2011 18:08

That comment from Kayani about the US knows which other countries are in contact with the Haqqanis, makes sense in light of this sonaliranade tweet:

Pliss note. Haqqani is not just an ISI tool. its a proxy 4 Gulf interests in Afghanistan 4 future action in Iran.

(http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o ... =2011/9/23

On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the COAS said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 Oct 2011 18:23

shiv wrote: It is a comforting consolation to think that Pakistan must be suffering in private. I am inclined to believe that every dossier send from India to Pakistan caused an equivalent amount of private suffering to Pakistanis.

I wouldn't say I am comforted, but just trying to make sense of US policy. Last night, while skimming throuh a bunch of TV channels over Friday night beer, I heard quite a few talking heads make the comment that generals and politicans who are about to retire speak their mind. My conclusion therefore is that US policy wallahs know what Mullen said is true. Then what gives? I am not inclined to believe like you that there is even a semblance of an equivalence between India's abject, shameful dosa surrender post Mumbai, India shivering in its dhothi to take on Kiyani & Co; and US strategic decision to spare TSP from its might military wrath post embassy attack by TSP. That is not to say that US did not back down in the face of whatever leverage TSP has, supply routes, nukes etc. And in return, I am inclined to believe TSPA did some massive guboing. The coming days, weeks, and months will give us a clearer picture.

R-man, excellent observation on declaring Haqqan a terrorist entity is just one step away from US also using BR characterization of that pig sty: TSP

. From the LA times article that was posted

Does that mean that officially declaring it a foreign terrorist organization, as Feinstein suggested, would be a good idea? Haqqani appears to richly deserve the designation, which would allow any U.S. financial institutions holding its funds to seize them, but that would be fraught with risks. Primary among them is that it could lead to Pakistan being designated a state sponsor of terrorism , which would end U.S. aid to the country and almost certainly end all cooperation from Islamabad in the fight against insurgents in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I know US has declared LeT as a terrorist organiation. Applying the same logic above, why does it now follow that TSP gets the label it deserves?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 01 Oct 2011 18:55

Looks like Mullen Danda is producing results, now a bunch of Haqqani group #3's will be delivered.

Nato captures senior Haqqani leader in Afghanistan

KABUL: Nato says it has captured a senior leader of the Haqqani network operating inside Afghanistan.

Nato announced on Saturday that the coalition forces seized Haji Mali Khan during an operation in eastern Paktia province, which borders Pakistan.

The alliance called it a significant milestone in the fight against the group.

Nato identified Khan as an uncle of Siraj and Badruddin Haqqani, two of the sons of the network’s aging leader Jalaludin Haqqani.

The network has been described as the most serious security threat in Afghanistan.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Oct 2011 18:59

Nato announced on Saturday that the coalition forces seized Haji Mali Khan during an operation in eastern Paktia province, which borders Pakistan.

Might be a "pushback" operation like how India kept arresting guys who were supposed to be inside BD near bus stations, train stations etc..

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 01 Oct 2011 19:10

WaPo article by the Lord of GUBO...

Talk to, not at, Pakistan

None of this vision for a new Pakistan is premised on the politics of victimhood. It pivots on a worldview where we fight the war against extremism and terrorism as our battle, at every precinct and until the last person, even though we lack the resources to match our commitment. When Pakistan seeks support, we look for trade that will make us sustainable, not aid that will bind us in transactional ties. When we commit to a partnership against terrorism, we do it in the hope that our joint goals will be addressed. When we add our shoulder to the battle, we look for outcomes that leave us stronger.

Looks like the next step US might take...

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 01 Oct 2011 19:26

A bit of cricket here and there, albeit low scoring ones.

Two security men among three killed in Kalat

Bomb hits police van in KP, kills three

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Oct 2011 19:33

A_Gupta wrote:Not one death sentence, but two! Does this mean 144?
The court handed down two death sentences for murder and terrorism to Qadri, who has seven days to file an appeal, state television reported.

The Pakistan army has condemned this man. He is finished. Real protestors will be silenced but mock protestors will be in the news for the Pakistan army to say later that they cannot do too much to inflame Islamic passions in Pakistan'

New York Chimes

The just condemnation of the murderer Qadri once again shows the fundamental moderate nature of Pakistani society and polity. No more than 0.000006% of Pakistanis have voted for the fundamentalists in the last 15 democratic elections held regularly every 4 years in liberal democratic Pakistan. Pakistan has got a bad name from a small minority of fundamentalists while Pakistani moderates are justifiably angry at the constant murder and rape of Muslims in Kashmir where 700 million Indian troops use tanks and automatic weapons against Kashmiri protestors throwing cotton balls in symbolic action against a Hindu fundamentalist state that is notorious for having murdered thousand of Muslims in Gujarat; Hindu mobs demolishing mosques and Christian priests being burnt alive by high caste Hindus for helping the poor untouchables on India. 850 million Indians defecate in the open every day while India spends billions on buying arms for its high caste government. Pakistan is an ally in the war against terror and has lost 450,000 men in the war, more than any other country in the history of the world. Pakistan has spent more than 4 trillion US dollars on the war on terror even as it fought against floods in Pakistan caused by dams and rain clouds in India.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 01 Oct 2011 19:41

Karzai is effectively saying Pakistan === Taliban.

Karzai abandons peace talks with the Taliban

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said his government will no longer hold peace talks with the Taliban.

He said the killing of Burhanuddin Rabbani had convinced him to focus on dialogue with Pakistan.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Oct 2011 19:51

Death Sentence in Slaying of Pakistani Governor

Judge Syed Pervez Ali Shah announced the sentence for Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri in an anti-terrorism court at Adiala Jail in Rawalpindi, a city neighboring the capital. “Nobody can be given a license to kill on any pretext,” the judge was quoted as saying after the conclusion of the trial in the killing of Salman Taseer, which was held under tight security.

Bechaara judge appears to be a Shia - so there is no doubt he goose is cooked fine.
Also, it appears that there is scant coverage in the media due to the fear backlash (don't know from whom?).

On Saturday, dozens of supporters of Mr. Qadri gathered outside the jail and chanted slogans against the sentence.

“We will free you! We will die for you!” 20-year-old Mohamemd Aslam was quoted as saying by The Associated Press. Others yelled: “Long live Qadri, long live Qadri!”

“By punishing one Mumtaz Qadri, you will produce a thousand Mumtaz Qadris!” shouted another man.

AOA...more power to you.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 01 Oct 2011 20:05

There is a week to appeal the 'two' death sentences. I am waiting for the blood settlement defense to exonerate Qadri. When a mere kafir like Raymond Davis was let go, a true ghazi like Qadri is entitled to Islamic justice in the Islamic republic.

The wheels have already been set in motion with the heirs of Salmon Tasveer. The worthy son in the Mercedes is negotiating the price.

Q. Will they have to get Aatish's consent too, or is he considered a kafir and not entitled to the negotiations?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Oct 2011 20:44

Anujan wrote:Also note that Salman Taseer's nanha was goatnapped some days back. It is dangerous to carry out Qadri's death sentence when the nanha has not been recovered.

Salman Taseer's son was kidnapped in anticipation of this sort of judgement. Now, both him and the judge are bakras.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 01 Oct 2011 20:50

Siraj's uncle Haji Mali Khan miraculously arrested in Afghanistan. We also had two drone strikes in the last week that killed a mere 3-4 terrorists each. Typically big fish that are killed are announced a few days later. I'd not be shocked if those that met Dronacharya this week were Haqqani bigwigs as well.