Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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This Paki Inbred BDY Forget Haji Pir Gift by Shastri and Doubt our Will and capability to Kill Jihadis and their both ideological and material Sponsers

The Line of Control
Indians relate such incidents of cross-border shelling to Pakistani attempts to force infiltrators through. They of course embellish their narratives further by associating terror with the Pakistani state and flaunt it relentlessly. If such a propagandistic streak irks global sensitivities about Pakistan’s nuclear status, and leads to a global pressure to unarm nuclear Pakistan, it will implicitly deliver to India the crown jewel of its national security objectives. It is long winded – true, but then what else are India’s options other than to conflate terrorism, internal instability, irrationality of the Pakistani mindset with manifestations as dastardly as slitting dead Indian soldiers, and a failing, rogue of a nation that has India and the entire world on tenterhooks.Or, at least that is the essence of their media aggression. This then is the crux of the combo that India plays whenever it finds an opportunity. Minus Pakistani nukes, the ‘hegemon’ has a free ride in all manners of saying. Not only that, India dreams of it and, if ever realised, it will relish it.Here are a couple of scenarios to consider: What if Pakistan were to be framed as a failed state with a fractious and feuding society; an inebriated polity; a broken economy without any indications of resuscitation, and a rogue army that perpetually rules the roost and nourishes terrorism as a home-grown commodity – the popular planks of propagating and instituting a belief of Pakistan as a failing state? Chances are someone out there would like to work towards that end by exploiting Pakistan’s vulnerabilities in all or most of these areas and keep it embroiled amid signs that over time entrench belief in the fidelity of such formulation.With the troops drawdown in Afghanistan enabling hope of the war coming to a closure there, Pakistan is now able to focus so much more on its internal challenges. Is it that someone out there would like Pakistan to continue to remain embroiled in a bleeding war against insurgencies, if those groups that have challenged the state are left unharmed?
That becomes probable if the Pakistan Army is forced to extricate its over 150,000 troops from the western regions to the Indian borders, again to contend with the rising possibility of a limited armed conflict. That way the insurgencies mushroom and Pakistan continues to remain stuck in the quagmire of internal challenges and willy-nilly is pushed closer to a state of failure under the weight of perpetual adversities. On a map of geo-political enactments, it isn’t a far-fetched possibility.On the flip side, with the war in Afghanistan closing down, is there a possibility that heightened tensions in Kashmir and with India, can find an alternate employment for the various groups who till-date were conveniently engaged elsewhere, but will now be suitable diverted and found another occupation.This might also save Pakistan another crippling engagement with another war on terror! The choice is India’s to determine its own way ahead. Beating war drums will become countervailing to their larger long-term interests.For those who read too much into the recent doctrinal changes of the army, get back for another detailed reviewing. The conventional threat is well and alive.
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^^^ Well put! A good way, he suggests ways for ensuring we finally dismember Porkistun. A Ret'd Vice Chief of the P@F. Sitiing on his hands during Kargil.
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Incompetence of Delhi police results in Pakistan terrorist walking free
A Pakistani national, who was on death row since 2006 until the Supreme Court set aside his conviction and ordered his retrial in August, 2012, was acquitted by a sessions court here on Friday. The court noted “substantial lapses” in the Delhi police investigation into the 1997 blast in a Blueline bus near Punjabi Bagh in West Delhi killing four persons and injuring 24.

Additional Sessions Judge Pawan Kumar Jain commenced the retrial of Mohammed Hussain, alias Julfikar Ali, on November 8, 2012 after the Supreme Court order of August 31, 2012 and reserved the case for judgment on December 22, 2012. Mr. Jain also ordered Hussain’s deportation to Pakistan if he was not required in India for involvement in any other case.
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The bomb blasts occurred in Balochistan and Quetta. What's the big deal with only Balochs and Shias getting killed ? Paki army and non-state actors are already exterminating these two groups. Balochs show some spine once in a while but Shias are just dhimmis getting culled. I'll not be surprised if elements from Paki establishment were involved in this incident.
Only a few dozen attacks on Isloo, Lawhore, Pindi will mean anything and hurt Pakis.
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Dilbu wrote:Latest score is 116 not out.
Toll in Pakistan bombings rises to 116, 235 injured
Wish Boorkha was there. :cry:
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Actually i have a better wish, but not putting it here
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Padmaja joshi ‏@Padmajajoshi1
Breaking on HeadlinesToday:It was in the company of 2 PAK ARMY OFFICERS that Hafiz Saeed travelled to Mandor village in PoK

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Firing across at least 5 LoC points in Poonch late last night. Heavy damage reported on Pakistani side. Indian retaliation blistering.

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Sources: Pak Army Havildar Mohiuddin killed in crossfire last evening. Severe damage to 3 Pak posts, incl an elevated observation platform.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
"I want to see his face one last time. Please bring his head back." ~ Mother of Lance Naik Hemraj to #HeadlinesToday.

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'Emulate Israel While Dealing With Pakistan', screams this Page 1 editorial in Jammu's State Times newspaper. | http://twitpic.com/bu70td
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krishnan wrote:Actually i have a better wish, but not putting it here
Wishing your wishes come true, also please wish the same for Kajdeep Sircut-esai.
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Guys,

However frustrated you are with media persons & politicians, it is not in good taste to wish them dead. Also this thread is viewed by lot of people and posts like that could land you in trouble. I suggest delete and refrain from doing so again. Just my opinion. Feel free to ignore.
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Yep, with the UPA govt keeping a close watch on the web, please be carefull what you write, unless you are not in india
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Firing across at least 5 LoC points in Poonch late last night. Heavy damage reported on Pakistani side. Indian retaliation blistering


Is this surprising to anyone? You don't even need to look at the history of IA action against Pakistan. Merely inspecting the formidable order of battle/resources at IA command predicts this.
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Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
VIDEO: Intercepts show more attacks along LoC likely | http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/indi ... 41669.html … #HeadlinesToday

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Intelligence reports: Hafiz Saeed offered Rs 5 lakh for Indian jawan's head | http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/indi ... 41734.html … #HeadlinesToday

Pakistan troops 'congratulated' for Jan 8 killings. | MAIL TODAY http://epaper.mailtoday.in/showtext.asp ... kU.twitter

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Superb: The 2 Indian Army units that fired back at Pakistan yesterday included 13 Rajputana Rifles, to which the two dead jawans belonged.

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On Jan 6, it was 9 Maratha that fired back at the Pakistan Army. Yesterday it was 1 Maratha. Their regimental motto: Duty, Honour, Courage.
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Ambar wrote:Who is behind this Qadri chap ? Most people believe its the "establishment", but that beats the purpose of investing so much time and money on Imran Khan. Secondly, MQM - which has more often than not been in loggerheads with the TSPA is joining the march to Islamabad. There could be 2 possibilities in my opinion : 1. The guy is funded by the west - in which case the march to Islamabad should be fun to watch 2. TSPA realizes Imran Khan may not be popular enough to pull off an outright victory, so why not prop up another figure who touches the more conservative base. Or i could be totally wrong, and Qadri could just be a nutcase like that water agha khan who has made a country full of morons wake up and take notice.
Ambar, the Qadri twist to the till-then-smooth-going-tale is a bit confusing. He wants the elections to be postponed until the electoral system is cleansed, feudalism is uprooted etc. That would mean the election must be postponed indefinitely. Anyway, his deadline of Jan 10 has expired and no reforms have been done. So, let us see if he can get his four million people in Islamabad. He might have misjudged the mood of the country which today is veering towards a virulent extremist medieval brand of Islam. All the Deobandi groups including political and terrorist, have naturally opposed him tooth and nail.

Qadri certainly has the backing of the Western countries today but whether it was there when Qadri founded his organization at the peak of the First Afghan Jihad is doubtful because that would have gone against the US project of encouraging jihadi Islamism of an extreme variety.

MQM was the creation of the Army. They had a long joined-at-the-hip relationship. There were also problems later on. But, both would not be averse to coming together if the situation would turn out to be advantageous to both. Imran Khan might have lost some popularity but may still be the leading contender for PMship. He does not want to be seen aligned with Qadri so he has said instead that Qadri suports Imran Khan's policies. Imran Khan does not want to lose any support from any constituency. TSPA has grown some distance from Imran Khan these days. This can be explained by the theory that TSPA is now getting closer to TTP and TTP does not like Imran Khan. They can't tolerate another popular person who could be a threat to their eventual rule. They eliminate all such persons, as they did almost all jirga elders/leaders. The Taliban implement their sharia'h where only the Emir matters, the rest have to be faceless. So, TSPA has revised its plans accordingly now that TTP-TSP are cosying up.

I feel that the PA is caught in a dilemma. It has re-established its premier relationship with the US after some struggle and difficulty. They now realize that the US is keen on leaving Afghanistan in a hurry and TSPA would like to make the moves to take over the US role in Afghanistan. When the First Afghan jihad took place, there was a military man in power in TSP who guided the policies deftly. Later, towards the end, when a civilian PM, Junejo, was felt by the TSPA to be acting against its interests (Ojhri camp), he was summarily dismissed. Again, during the beginning stages of the Second Afghan Jihad (in 2002), there was a military man at the helm in TSP and he guided deftly too. He was distrusted by the AQAM and they did not therefore take kindly to his 'Hudaybayah approach'. But, TSPA stood the ground solidly and took massive beating from the TTP because its objective is still India. After having weatherd such a humiliation, they would now like to turn it into an advantage by cooperating with the TTP. They would therefore have every reason not to trust another civilian leader at the helm when the Afghan denouement is approaching and all indications of TSPA regaining its strategic depth appear on the horizon. The only grounds on which they can take over TSP today is by engineering anarchy and justifying their take over citing nuclear weapons etc. They would encourage Qadri to that extent knowing fully well that he would be 'taken care of'. Wheels within wheels.

This is my reading.
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abhishek_sharma wrote: Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Superb: The 2 Indian Army units that fired back at Pakistan yesterday included 13 Rajputana Rifles, to which the two dead jawans belonged.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
On Jan 6, it was 9 Maratha that fired back at the Pakistan Army. Yesterday it was 1 Maratha. Their regimental motto: Duty, Honour, Courage.
how many heads? I want head count. Bring bofors otherwise. I dont give sh!t if this escalates.
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TV: Indian high commissioner summoned by Pakis.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:TV: Indian high commissioner summoned by Pakis.
Now will TSP start sending dossiers??
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VikramS wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:TV: Indian high commissioner summoned by Pakis.
Now will TSP start sending dossiers??
Gave him a letter.

In other TVnews, reports of P!gturd Armi calling up more P!gturds.

Time for quickstart!
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TSPA is moving troops closer to LoC. Time has come. Hit the bchods now. Hit em hard.
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^^^^
We should ask an old lady to hold a big poster facing westwards with "1971" written on it. That should do it.
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Surely, they are out to milk the Khans by escalating and then using their good offices to avert a thermonuclear war. The new term starts for Ombaba, with new faces and it is time to establish baselines too. A few side effects in terms of internal reorganization of politics will help PA.
Just another episode in the series.
btw, have Im's ambitions been qadrified?
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its probably a test to see how much unkil still loves them
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jamwal wrote:Incompetence of Delhi police results in Pakistan terrorist walking free
A Pakistani national, who was on death row since 2006 until the Supreme Court set aside his conviction and ordered his retrial in August, 2012, was acquitted by a sessions court here on Friday. The court noted “substantial lapses” in the Delhi police investigation into the 1997 blast in a Blueline bus near Punjabi Bagh in West Delhi killing four persons and injuring 24.

Additional Sessions Judge Pawan Kumar Jain commenced the retrial of Mohammed Hussain, alias Julfikar Ali, on November 8, 2012 after the Supreme Court order of August 31, 2012 and reserved the case for judgment on December 22, 2012. Mr. Jain also ordered Hussain’s deportation to Pakistan if he was not required in India for involvement in any other case.
Is this incompetence or debirate weaking of cases as part of Aman Kis Asha.
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Kashmir violence could turn ugly: Professor saheb - ToI
Lashkar-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Saeed, accused of masterminding the 2008 Mumbai massacre, said India was trying to destabilise Pakistan and predicted violence in Kashmir region could get "ugly".

"We do not want any force to be used or any military operation for this. But the Indians are opting for the other alternative," Saeed said in an interview on Friday.

He denied Indian press reports that he had been inciting action against the neighbouring country just before the recent outbreak of the worst violence in Kashmir since both neighbours agreed a ceasefire nearly a decade ago.

Saeed accused India of trying to disrupt the peace process with Pakistan and dragging its feet on the long-standing issue of Kashmir.

"This is their usual practice. Betraying the international community and destabilising Pakistan," said Saeed. "And that's what they are doing this time."
It is very clear now. TSPA has once again taken over the leadership role in matters relating to India. The civilian government is sidelined especially as it is almost a lame duck. TSPA will not trust it even on minor matters.

Has there been any other Indian government than this one that has been so royally f****d by TSP in 65 years ? Now that TSPA is coming to the centre-stage again and now that the Indian peace initiative is unravelling rapidly, I only fear more concessions by GoI as it will be forced to beg TSP not to expose it even more for another year and a half until Indian elections are over. TSPA will demand big-time concessions and GoI will concede.
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SSridhar wrote:Kashmir violence could turn ugly: Professor saheb - ToI
Lashkar-e-Taiba founder Hafiz Saeed, accused of masterminding the 2008 Mumbai massacre, said India was trying to destabilise Pakistan and predicted violence in Kashmir region could get "ugly".

"We do not want any force to be used or any military operation for this. But the Indians are opting for the other alternative," Saeed said in an interview on Friday.

He denied Indian press reports that he had been inciting action against the neighbouring country just before the recent outbreak of the worst violence in Kashmir since both neighbours agreed a ceasefire nearly a decade ago.

Saeed accused India of trying to disrupt the peace process with Pakistan and dragging its feet on the long-standing issue of Kashmir.

"This is their usual practice. Betraying the international community and destabilising Pakistan," said Saeed. "And that's what they are doing this time."
It is very clear now. TSPA has once again taken over the leadership role in matters relating to India. The civilian government is sidelined especially as it is almost a lame duck. TSPA will not trust it even on minor matters.

Has there been any other Indian government than this one that has been so royally f****d by TSP in 65 years ? Now that TSPA is coming to the centre-stage again and now that the Indian peace initiative is unravelling rapidly, I only fear more concessions by GoI as it will be forced to beg TSP not to expose it even more for another year and a half until Indian elections are over. TSPA will demand big-time concessions and GoI will concede.
TSPA has always been in control. It would be a mistake to think that the civilian leadership had any power.
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* Around 92 people killed, scores injured in three explosions in Quetta

* 22 people killed in Tableeghi Jamaat gathering in Swat

* Five labourers sprayed with bullets in Karachi
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2013_pg1_1

Daily crimes reporting 22 tableegi's sent packing. That is some good news since they are close to establishment
In another tragedy, a bomb blast at a religious gathering in Swat valley on Thursday killed 22 people and wounded more than 80, officials said, prompting a probe to investigate possible sabotage. The explosion took place at a weekly meeting of the local Tableeghi Jamaat at its centre on the outskirts of Mingora. “Possibility of a sabotage cannot be ruled out,” regional police chief Akhtar Hayat told AFP. But he added: “We have no clear evidence so far.” A joint investigation by police and army was underway and “we will come to know the exact position later”, he said. “The death toll has gone up to 22,” local administration chief Kamran Khan told reporters earlier at the Tableeghi centre. He said 87 people were wounded, 20 of them in serious condition.
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The Aggressor Will Always Get Away - Ramesh Phadke, IDSA Comment

Brilliant and absolutely hard hitting. Reflects our deliberations.

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One of the biggest weaknesses of India’s security discourse is the failure of the Indian leadership to truly understand the nature and psyche of its Western neighbour. Pakistan, like any other country, does not like to lose face, is always ready to up the ante, initiate audacious and precipitous action, make noise, co-opt its benefactors especially the United States and China, demand international intervention and establish a sort of moral and psychological ascendancy and superiority over India. Once the dust settles down, it is business as usual including demands for a dialogue to resolve the core issue of Kashmir before bilateral relations can be improved. The rest is cosmetics. The Indian leadership seems to repeatedly fall prey to such ruses.

India, on the other hand, mistakenly believes that because Pakistanis talk, eat, speak and very often behave like us they are indeed like us; our long lost brothers whose wayward behaviour can only be corrected through sustained and sincere peace building as well as disproportionately large concessions because India is after all a big country which is focused on its economic development and can ill afford to be distracted by resort to arms. India is also convinced that Pakistan’s benefactors will not let that country sink beyond a point and intervene to ensure its survival. There is much truth in this assessment but history tells us a somewhat different story.

Right from the time of its birth, Pakistani leaders including Jinnah had convinced themselves that India had somehow cheated and short-changed Pakistan with British help and that is how Jinnah got a ‘moth eaten Pakistan’. Although legal, the accession of Jammu & Kashmir was also seen as another case of Indian treachery conveniently forgetting that it was brought on by Pakistani aggression and attempts to wrest control of the state by force. India committed its first blunder by prematurely taking the issue to the United Nations and compounded the folly by choosing the ‘wrong’ article/clause of the Charter, thus allowing Pakistan to become an equal party to the ‘dispute’ when in fact Pakistan was simply the aggressor and nothing more.

Thereafter, through the last 65 years, Pakistan has tried to settle the matter by resort to force whenever its leadership felt that the circumstances were propitious and favourable. A major mistake that Pakistan has always made and continues to make even today is to underestimate the resolve of India’s leadership {Unfortunately, the Indian leadership exhibits the resolve only when India is in imminent and grave danger. We do not act sufficiently strongly to prevent the situation from escalating to that dangeroyus level. We then retrieve the situation at enormous cost to ourselves. And, immediately thereafter forget the lessons} and the capability of the Indian military. The defensive defence policy that India has followed in preference to military retaliation has unfortunately emboldened Pakistan, which continues to believe that it can always get away. Repeated attacks by Pakistan at Haji Pir, Kargil and Chhamb are examples of such aggressive behaviour.

Worse, every time Pakistan lost the battle its resolve became stronger to somehow avenge the previous defeat. The wars of 1965, 1971 and 1999 were followed by more aggressive and violent behaviour. India’s shooting down of a Pakistan Navy Atlantique, which had violated Indian air space, was followed by the hijack of Indian Airlines Flight IC-814 in December 1999 as well as various terrorist attacks including KaluChak, Delhi’s Red Fort and the Indian Parliament. India did not retaliate to any of these provocations. It must not be forgotten that in the run-up to bigger hostilities, Pakistan always began with sustained heavy shelling of border posts and towns, as in Kargil in July 1998, to gauge the Indian reaction. In all of these incidents Pakistan’s losses were minimal simply because India had consistently demonstrated self-imposed restraint but to no avail.

The recent case of cease-fire violation and Pakistani barbarity should be seen against this backdrop. Once again a pattern is discernible. Pakistan has reportedly violated the 10-year long ceasefire on many occasions but since 01 December 2012 alone the number of such violations has gone up to 22. India has repeatedly been telling the world that the Pakistan Army resorts to unprovoked firing across the Line of Control (LoC) to facilitate infiltration of terrorists but somehow refuses to take action with the result that the world at large does not believe the Indian story. {Exactly. Why should anyone believe us if we don't act ?} If it is true that Pakistan lost a soldier (Lance Naik Aslam) in the exchange of fire in Mendhar on Saturday last, India should have expected a tit-for-tat response from Pakistan. In 1996, when a Pakistani helicopter carrying a Brigadier was allegedly shot down by India over the Siachen heights, Pakistan lost no time and shot down an Indian Mi-17.

The brutal Pakistani response came on Tuesday simply because it had to avenge the loss of Aslam. It reportedly chose Mendhar because here the border fence is well within Indian held territory and Indian army patrols move along and inside the LoC but still on the other side of the fence hence making it easier for Pakistan to mount a raid across the LoC. Foggy conditions further helped Pakistani designs but it is not understood why the so-called Area Domination Patrol was moving so close to the LoC in such poor visibility and that too in the aftermath of the Saturday incident and when the Intelligence Bureau had warned of possible Pakistani action. What sort of area domination was achieved when the Pakistani intruders in fact return unscathed?

It is also noteworthy that the Pakistan Army was not satisfied with merely killing the two Indian soldiers and injuring others in the well planned ambush but had to leave a tell-tale signature, a sign of victory, by beheading and mutilating the body/bodies of the Indian soldiers in the medieval practice of victors building a pyramid out of the heads of slain enemy soldiers right outside their tents. The main aim of the exercise was never to hide the barbarity but to explicitly tell the Indian Army to not mess with Pakistan. Why else would Pakistan have returned the mutilated bodies of the brave Lieutenant Saurabh Kalia and the six Indian soldiers during the 1999 Kargil Conflict? This is the psyche that India needs to understand. No amount of cajoling or appealing to their better sense is likely to change this characteristic of the Pakistan Army. The Pakistani message is clear; “We have done what we had to; you want to escalate, do so at your own peril. Pakistan has thrown the gauntlet, try if you have the guts”. Pakistan knows full well that there will soon be a chorus from world leaders demanding restraint and cooling of tempers from both sides. Pakistan knows it can get away unscathed. This time, however, India cannot blame the Jihadi terrorists for wanting to provoke hostilities between the neighbours because it is Pakistani regulars who have perpetrated this atrocity.

The tragedy is that many among Indian decision makers are experienced and intelligent enough to understand perfectly well the real import of such brutal and barbaric behaviour but are unable or unwilling to devise appropriate responses in the vain and forlorn hope that Pakistan will somehow mend its ways and reform itself into a ‘normal’ member of the international community.

It is time India reviewed this thinking. Instant, hard and yet calibrated military, diplomatic and political response is needed {total war} since mere warnings and protestations have proved grossly inadequate to change Pakistan’s behaviour. It is not surprising that the Indian Government spokesperson is ‘perplexed’. While India cannot afford to respond in anger it must also not make the mistake of allowing others to meddle in its affairs but, in fact, show to the world that it is perfectly capable of taking care of these pinpricks and teaching its recalcitrant neighbour(s) a hard lesson if need be. {Otherwise, India runs the risk of being harassed by every 2 pence country. We will not have the respect of the world. GoI thinks foolishly that 'good behaviour even under extreme provocation' will earn us brownie points. B***S*** of the highest order. We will be ridiculed as impotent behind our back even as they hand over the good conduct certificate} To do this, India must, however, shed its misplaced and grossly exaggerated fears of escalation into a two front war if such limited military action was initiated; in fact, the world will welcome it.

The Indian Jawan is a simple man who is trained to obey orders but his morale should not be undermined by continued inaction and India’s faith in high sounding principles of international behaviour. The constant demand to withdraw the AFSPA from parts of Jammu & Kashmir when the Indian Army is repeatedly attacked by the so-called militants is already causing the Jawan avoidable anguish. He still routinely walks into harm’s way without a moment’s hesitation simply because he has vowed to defend his sacred land. But his unquestioned obedience must never be taken for granted nor should he ever be allowed to feel defenceless against such atrocities.

It is not as if India lacks the wherewithal to safeguard its borders. Intelligence gathering mechanisms, armed and attack helicopters, Special Operation Forces, specially trained Commandos and above all plenty of electronic air and space based means are available to accurately identify and strike at the enemy in a highly calibrated response with little or no collateral damage. But for such actions to be successful India needs to first show strong resolve and equally importantly initiate without any further loss of time a truly ‘joint’ planning process that includes all arms/agencies of the state. While politicians and diplomats will do their job by informing other countries of India’s concerns and limits of patience, let the military devise ways to ensure a permanent stop to future provocations from across the borders.

It is also time India considered the use of ‘drones’ or Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) fitted with suitable weapons and missiles to punish the enemy; merely possessing them will however not help. There is a chance that such declarations of red lines and open preparations for military retaliation will raise a storm of protest and criticism by India’s neighbours and other countries simply because they are not used to India taking any action but that should not be allowed to dissuade us. By constantly resorting to legal action such as exchange of dossiers of universally known international criminals, India has been sending a wrong message to the world. What India must urgently consider is a declaratory national security policy that includes as a first step the recovery of India’s lost territories to its neighbours or national reunification even if it means waging a long struggle. The absence of such an articulated aim has in fact weakened India’s case. A bold yet calm declaration of red lines is the only way India can put the onus of peace on the other side. The Indian soldier is enjoined to not only defend the country’s territorial integrity and sovereignty but more importantly its honour. We must not be found wanting in this sacred duty by neglecting the soldier’s honour.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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Another blast heard in Quetta
QUETTA: A blast was heard in Quetta on Friday, a day after a series of explosions claimed 102 lives in the restive capital of Balochistan province, DawnNews reported.
http://dawn.com/2013/01/11/another-powe ... in-quetta/
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Why QUetta and now lawhore, Karchi, Isloo and Rawlapindi?
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It is upto India & TSP to resolve LoC tension: China
The Chinese government said on Friday it was of the view that tensions along the Line of Control (LoC) were for India and Pakistan to resolve through dialogue, a day after Pakistan called for a United Nations probe into the recent incidents.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry said the dispute was for both countries to resolve, appearing to suggest that it did not back "all-weather" ally Pakistan’s proposal for a U.N. probe, which India rejected on Thursday.

Asked if China agreed with Pakistan’s call for a U.N. probe into the killings across the LoC, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said: “As a neighbour and friend of both India and Pakistan, we sincerely hope that the two countries properly and calmly resolve the dispute through dialogue and consultation, so as to maintain peace and stability in South Asia”.

“India and Pakistan are important countries in South Asia,” Mr. Hong said. “Relations between them are important to the peace, stability and prosperity of South Asia.”
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2013_pg3_1
Just days after celebrating the Pakistan-India dialogue process in Amritsar during the SAFMA conference, Indian Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid says that India will take retaliatory action against Pakistan. This is extremely unsettling. On the one hand we have the SAFMA delegates representing a broad spectrum of South Asian media striving to strengthen ties in the region generally, and between India and Pakistan in particular, and on the other we have the escalating war of words between the latter two countries after the military clash on the LoC. Such clashes do happen from time to time on the tense LoC, not an unnatural occurrence when the forces of the two sides are deployed eyeball to eyeball across the divide. However, the timing of the this latest incident has aroused suspicions that there are elements on one side or the other or both, interested in sabotaging the ongoing moves for peace and normalisation through trade and economic cooperation, a liberalised visa regime, and sundry other confidence building measures. Where India and Pakistan are concerned, given their fraught history, it does not take much to jeopardise the peace process. It is extremely important that both sides practice restraint when approaching this issue and keep the spirit of the dialogue process alive. A mechanism must be put in place to prevent such incidents from occurring. Such skirmishes have the potential to throw the whole dialogue process both countries have laboured over in recent days into complete disarray
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Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Spoke to a former Colonel Commandant of the Rajputana Rifles. Reports of regimental jawans going on hungerstrike don't seem to be correct.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Pakistan says Indian Army mounted 'another cross border raid' on Jan 10, similar to the one on Jan 6. Summons Indian High Commissioner.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Indian Army officially maintains it has never conducted 'cross-border raids' in PoK. Stories at LoC different ;-) But always provoked.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Correct. RT @indiantweeter: Pak has a blue film CD of someone RT @abpnewstv: Peace talks with Pakistan are important: Congress spokesman :?:

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Army: No firing across LoC today. The last instance of firing happened last night, ended around 10.25PM, in general area Mendhar.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Army: No incidents of firing on LoC today. Reports in certain sections of media incorrect. Last instance was at 10.47PM yesterday @ Mendhar.

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor
Indian Army has asked for Brigadier-level flag meeting with the Pak Army at the LoC in Poonch. Latter hasn't responded yet. #HeadlinesToday
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Quetta blasts toll rises to 102

Congressulations Pakis pigs on achieving century on Jumma. May you achieve century every hour.
QUETTA: The death toll from the explosions in Quetta rose to 102 on Friday, DawnNews reported.

Senior police official Hamid Shakeel in Quetta told the Associated Press that five more of the wounded died overnight.

He said funerals would be held in various parts of the city later Friday.

As many as 81 people had been reported killed on Thursday night in suicide and car bomb blasts in Quetta’s Alamdar Road area whereas 12 people were reported killed the same day when a bomb went off near a vehicle of the Frontier Corps at Bacha Khan Chowk.

A cameraman and a reporter of a private news channel, a computer operator of a news agency and nine police personnel, including two senior police officers, were among the dead, while 10 army and FC personnel were injured in the blasts.

A majority of the people killed in the Alamdar Road blasts belonged to the Hazara Shia community.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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How India should respond to the latest escalation of hostalities by Pakis on the Border and hot rhetoric spewing from people in power in slamabad. What are Indias option. Apart from the options that Army has and would be done in due time away from the glare of media what else could be done. Could we list out some of the steps that should be done immediately.

My list

1. This is the time drop MFN status for Pakis. Extend only when Pakis also give it. Reciprocity.
2.Stop VOA and easy Visa regime. Suspend it indefinitely .
3. Cancel Visa for all Pakistanis in India and ask them to leave India within 15 days. Remaining pakis after fifteen day should be rounded up and detained.
4.Stop train , buses and truck movements.
5. Oppose Pakis in international forum for any loans and aid.


This is just a small list.Not including Army options for obvious reasons. What else could be added.
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chaanakya ji,

I think we should stop these CBMs because that is the right thing to do, rather than as a means of retaliation. If these measures are stopped as a retaliation, then one would say,

a) all we can do is these useless actions, but there is no military retaliation. Corollary: these CBMs are started only so that India has some means of retaliating. More is not to be expected. => We are sissies.

b) India has given in to the desires of those who want to "sabotage the dialog", meaning India is again stupid or naive to give in to terrorists. => We are sissies.

I think the only way India should respond to this is through military means. The rest of the CBMs can be done away with later on!
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^ I do not think that is the best approach RajeshAji.

The best approach would be to have IA deliver continual thappads to TSPA while GoI talks peace. It should be so coordinated that IA kills 100 TSPA soldiers and GoI announces on-arrival visas to >80 year olds. IA takes out near-border Paki reconnaissance aircraft, GoI announces free polio medication for Paki kids and so on...

That would be a true Brahmin-Chanikyan strategy.
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RamaY wrote:^ I do not think that is the best approach RajeshAji.

The best approach would be to have IA deliver continual thappads to TSPA while GoI talks peace. It should be so coordinated that IA kills 100 TSPA soldiers and GoI announces on-arrival visas to >80 year olds. IA takes out near-border Paki reconnaissance aircraft, GoI announces free polio medication for Paki kids and so on...

That would be a true Brahmin-Chanikyan strategy.
for once ramaY i agree with you! they think we are like that onlee, i am sure they are as confused by our benevolence as the mango indian is. some 'double dealing' is required
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RajeshA wrote:chaanakya ji,

I think we should stop these CBMs because that is the right thing to do, rather than as a means of retaliation. If these measures are stopped as a retaliation, then one would say,

a) all we can do is these useless actions, but there is no military retaliation. Corollary: these CBMs are started only so that India has some means of retaliating. More is not to be expected. => We are sissies.

b) India has given in to the desires of those who want to "sabotage the dialog", meaning India is again stupid or naive to give in to terrorists. => We are sissies.

I think the only way India should respond to this is through military means. The rest of the CBMs can be done away with later on!
Well I thought I was clear that I wanted to know what options other than Military options which would be and should not be discussed in Public, if any.


And we need not announce much except for MFN status. As RamaY garu says, VOA for 80 plus people only.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

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And I know what IA is capable of and have been doing. My maternal grand father was in Army and he had faced all wars ( except Kargil, by that time he was well into long retirement). He always narrated his stories of war with Pakis and how they were within arms length of La Whore. But India Army follows a tradition of civilised army. It would do what it needs to do to restore the honor. No politician orders needed. The incident would be unadvertised and hush hush and Political class would be busy to contain the fall out and keep it under wraps.

What I am surprised is that this time Media has been told the incident in gory details. generally they are given sanitised press release. Something else is in play here so we should be cautious.
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