Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

srin · Post by **srin** » 17 Oct 2014 16:58

Longer video with close up

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 17 Oct 2014 17:05

We got our loitering missile...paired with a wideband seeker, it would make a potent autonomous DEAD ARM.

If the 11th waypoint was added realtime & not programmed earlier, and the missile was at low level, then I speculate in all probability Rukmini was used to relay the data.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Oct 2014 17:11

Question is in real usage scenario how will the new/modified path be fed to an inflight missile over an enemy territory?

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 17 Oct 2014 17:24

^^ Like I wrote, Rukmini

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 17 Oct 2014 17:35

shiv wrote: Interestingly the "topple" from vertical to horizontal is not the Brahmos type rockets to topple and then stabilize, but appears to be a thrust vectoring motor.

Probably the control surfaces of the missile itself were used. A TVing solid motor is probably pricier to make..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Oct 2014 17:43

tsarkar wrote:^^ Like I wrote, Rukmini

who dat dame?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Oct 2014 17:45

shiv wrote:
tsarkar wrote:^^ Like I wrote, Rukmini
who dat dame?

GSAT7

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 17 Oct 2014 17:54

Fantastic news! Proud of DRDO's achievement!

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 17 Oct 2014 18:09

Congratulations DRDO.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 17 Oct 2014 18:12

They must be pretty confident. Look at the other missiles in launcher—assuming they are not dummy ones.

BTW, what are the guys sitting on ground doing? Catching a few rays from the exhaust plume?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 17 Oct 2014 18:22

Congrats DRDO. This is a big breakthrough. The H-Bomb is indeed on the horizon. It will come once we get our economy at 8-9% growth. We have a few designs that I've been in cold storage for a while. There will be a few Nirbhay Blocks (One of which might carry a lotus strike package). However, I think the supersonic liquid fuel ramjet cruise missile in development will most probably carry it judging by the dam picture. At Mach .72, even at low alt. it would still be fair game for future air defenses. You need something quicker and low flying which gives them less reaction time. Mach 3.2 is adequate in this regard.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 17 Oct 2014 18:29

Cosmo_R wrote:They must be pretty confident. Look at the other missiles in launcher—assuming they are not dummy ones.

BTW, what are the guys sitting on ground doing? Catching a few rays from the exhaust plume?

They were offering puja--- you can spot a priest sitting and sounds of bells in the background

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 17 Oct 2014 18:34

Waiting for Nikhil Wagle to condemn such Kammunal Acts.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 17 Oct 2014 18:42

Looks like the wings deploy immediately after leaving the cannister so maybe they control the transition to horizontal flight as well as waypoint maneuvers. Also it looks like it drops down to its cruising altitude of appx 100 ft from about 1000 ft after autonomous flight control is stabilized. Speed is appx 600 mph so any aircraft that drops it in future will have to be travelling slower for safe release. Il76 carrying a six-pack sounds good. Won't need the Booster for air launch.

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 17 Oct 2014 18:45

Avinash chander while speaking in Hindi to palav bagla mentioned that range is between "hazar se do hazar" and when asked why such a delay in developing this kind of missile...he said "hum toh lrmf missile me busy the, hamare priorities aur resources per pura avalambith he"

Don't know what lrmf missile he is speaking??? and his Hindi is also not that good so I thought in trying to speak correct Hindi he might have let the cat out of the bag??? Who knows what surprise is waiting us.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Oct 2014 19:04

Did you see that it did not come out of the cloud - probably changed direction for the first waypoint ?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Oct 2014 19:06

ravip wrote:Avinash chander while speaking in Hindi to palav bagla mentioned that range is between "hazar se do hazar" and when asked why such a delay in developing this kind of missile...he said "hum toh lrmf missile me busy the, hamare priorities aur resources per pura avalambith he"

Don't know what lrmf missile he is speaking??? and his Hindi is also not that good so I thought in trying to speak correct Hindi he might have let the cat out of the bag??? Who knows what surprise is waiting us.

Link?

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Oct 2014 19:14

Tarmak has another video showing the lauch and pitch maneuver in various directions and its flight to a waypoint. Can't seem to get the link though here.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 17 Oct 2014 19:15

as i have predicted here, 100 % success. Congrats Nirbhay team , a very important and strategic arsenal have been added and it will pave way for more interesting things to come.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Oct 2014 19:40

Reporter says (and what a sdre type versus the pompous jerks like rajat pandit etc)

10-12m height flight, tree top level
500 kg warhead
1000km range
test will go for 500km, circle back, come back for 500 km back, drop into the sea, some 40-50km away

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Oct 2014 19:41

http://rt.com/op-edge/196836-india-scie ... atellites/

From Mars Mission to navigation satellites to N-capable missiles: India scores big scientifically

Rajeev Sharma is a New Delhi-based journalist, author and strategic analyst. He tweets @Kishkindha and can be reached at bhootnath004@yahoo.com.

Published time: October 17, 2014 14:11

After last month’s success of its maiden Mars Orbiter Mission, India has just notched up two more back-to-back scientific feats on October 16 and 17, both of which will beef up Indian military might in a big way.
India’s N-capable Nirbhay stealth missile

On Friday, Indian defense scientists came up with a stellar accomplishment when they successfully test-fired the Nirbhay nuclear-capable cruise missile from Chandipur in the eastern state of Odisha. The Indian scientists’ feat is all the more laudable as the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO)-developed missile was test-fired days after Cyclone Hudhud hit Odisha’s coastal region.

Nirbhay (which means fearless) is India’s equivalent of the United States’ Tomahawk missile. The supersonic cruise missile has stealth features, which enhances its lethality. It can fly at tree-top level, thus evading enemy radar, and strike targets more than 700 km away. The missile can also carry nuclear warheads.

The highly maneuverable Nirbhay enriches the Indian missile basket which already has the 90 km (?) range supersonic BrahMos cruise missile jointly developed by India and Russia.

Nirbhay is very different from other missiles in the Indian arsenal as it features an aircraft like wings and tail. It blasts off like a rocket and then turns into an aircraft. It is ideal for wartime conditions as it can be launched from a mobile launcher and is jamming-proof.

All the three Indian armed forces - army, navy and air force – will be introducing the Nirbhay, which despite its aircraft features, weighs about a ton and is just six meters long.

Nirbhay’s most interesting feature is its “loitering capability.” This means the missile can literally loiter around a target and strike it at the most opportune time. Moreover, Nirbhay is capable of delivering as many as 24 different types of warheads which means the military can pick and choose a specific warhead for maximum kill depending on mission requirements.
India’s indigenous satellite navigation system

A day earlier, on October 16, India moved closer to achieving its long-cherished strategic goal of having its own satellite navigation system when Indian scientists successfully launched the third of the seven satellites planned under the Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System (IRNSS) from Sriharikota in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh.

Now India is just one satellite away from having its own satellite navigation system, and when the fourth satellite is launched in a few months time, the country will join the elite group of spacefaring powers, like the United States which has GPS or Global Positioning System, Russia with Glonass, Europe with is Galileo, China with Beidou, and Japan’s Quasi Zenith Satellite System.

This will be a military and strategic game-changer for India; so far it has depended on foreign satellites, which may become unavailable in the event of a war. Although the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) is understandably tightlipped about the military applications of its latest satellite launch under the IRNSS program, it is obvious that the Indian armed forces would acquire cutting edge technology once they have their own indigenous navigation system.

For the record, ISRO says that the IRNSS system will be used for terrestrial, aerial and marine navigation, disaster management, vehicle tracking and fleet management, integration with mobile phones, mapping and geodetic data capture and visual and voice navigation for drivers.

According to ISRO Chairman K. Radhakrishnan, each of the seven satellites under the IRNSS program cost around $25 million. Also, India will be making an additional investment of a little over $150 million for setting up a chain of ground stations.

The IRNSS program comprises broadly two segments - the space and the ground – and will have two kinds of services, standard positioning service and restricted service. While the first one will be provided to all users, the restricted version will be encrypted and available only to authorized users like the military, security and intelligence personnel.

In fact, these two back-to-back Indian scientific accomplishments – the satellite launch and the missile test-fire - are in many ways complementary. After India has fully deployed its own satellite navigation fleet, tactical cruise missiles like Nirbhay will start using signals from the indigenous satellite navigation system.

3 hearty cheers to all members of the Nirbhay team....and to media xperts who gave us the scoop about NB's revolutionary "turbo-prop" engine!

PS:Official range is 1000+km.True range..any guesses?

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 17 Oct 2014 19:42

Around 1:45 Engineer says "we have much better products in our kitty"

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 17 Oct 2014 19:44

Karan M wrote: Link?

I saw it directly on ndtv Hindi you could find it on there Hindi website. The interview was right on the launch pad itself.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 17 Oct 2014 19:50

ravip wrote:
Karan M wrote: Link?
I saw it directly on ndtv Hindi you could find it on there Hindi website. The interview was right on the launch pad itself.

Saar he said they were busy with Agni series missiles or long range ballastic missiles since they had higher priority. He said Nirbhay has a range of 1000-2000 km.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 17 Oct 2014 19:56

ravip wrote:
Karan M wrote: Link?
I saw it directly on ndtv Hindi you could find it on there Hindi website. The interview was right on the launch pad itself.

Maybe he meant LFRJ? If you scroll up it is mentioned in the pic posted by prasannasimha.. Its our own supersonic LAM. It is probably also referred to as ALA (Air launched article), one of the K-series missiles by DRDO..

If this is indeed what he meant then its lungi dance time!

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 17 Oct 2014 20:00

SagarAg wrote:Saar he said they were busy with Agni series missiles or long range ballastic missiles since they had higher priority. He said Nirbhay has a range of 1000-2000 km.

I got the link see from 3:20 he clearly says "we were busy in intercontinental missiles and LCM missile". Sorry in the earlier post I said lrmf in fact it is LCM.

http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/news/341836

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 17 Oct 2014 20:00

Chaiwalla sources say the range is between 750-1000 km depending on payload. Lot of happiness on the ground

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 17 Oct 2014 20:07

ravip wrote:
SagarAg wrote:Saar he said they were busy with Agni series missiles or long range ballastic missiles since they had higher priority. He said Nirbhay has a range of 1000-2000 km.
I got the link see from 3:20 he clearly says "we were busy in intercontinental missiles and LCM missile". Sorry in the earlier post I said lrmf in fact it is LCM.

http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/news/341836

I think this type of information shouldn't be shared here. For the sake of National security, given that BRF is a fairly popular forum and attracts lots of attention from outside India too

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Oct 2014 20:07

What is he referring to as LCM missile ? Long range cruise missile ? Launched Cruise missile or Low cost missile ?

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 17 Oct 2014 20:07

ravip wrote:
SagarAg wrote:Saar he said they were busy with Agni series missiles or long range ballastic missiles since they had higher priority. He said Nirbhay has a range of 1000-2000 km.
I got the link see from 3:20 he clearly says "we were busy in intercontinental missiles and LCM missile". Sorry in the earlier post I said lrmf in fact it is LCM.

http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/news/341836

I think this type of information shouldn't be shared here. For the sake of National security, given that BRF is a fairly popular forum and attracts lots of attention from outside India too

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Oct 2014 20:09

I think this type of information shouldn't be shared here. For the sake of National security, given that BRF is a fairly popular forum and attracts lots of attention from outside India too

Every statement made by them to journalists has been vetted beforehand.The "other side" would have been monitoring all the information for sure not just through media but electronically too.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Oct 2014 20:10

anyone knows more on the nirbhay skins? being a cruise, i'd expect it to absorb and deflect away from radar source as much as possible. btw, note on the emphasis on many women part of this nirbhay program.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 17 Oct 2014 20:21

Based on what AC said, sounds like Nirbhay will have a range of 1000KM in Lo-Lo profile and up to 2000KM in Hi-Lo profile. Somewhere in between with loitering and Hi-Lo combinations. That is excellent.

nash · Post by **nash** » 17 Oct 2014 20:22

some more info :

http://news.oneindia.in/feature/how-ind ... 42399.html

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 17 Oct 2014 20:29

Missile Nirbhay scores a perfect 10 India on Friday added an inspiring chapter to her book on ‘Home-Grown Weapons', when its nuclear-capable, sub-sonic cruise missile Nirbhay scored a Perfect 10 during its launch from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) in Chandipur. The missile took off from the Launch Complex-3 of ITR at 10.05 am and successfully completed the mission parameters within an hour (11.02 am). Military sources confirm to OneIndia that the missile is capable of flying as low as 5 meters and can attain a maximum height of 5 km. Nirbhay gives Indian armed forces deep-strike capabilities and can be launched from land, ship and submarine. The missile is developed by Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), with over a dozen DRDO labs joining hands in the project. During Friday's launch, Nirbhay travelled a total of 1050 kilometers and hit the designated target area with an accuracy of 5-6 meters, which is also known as CEP (Circular Error Probable). Sources say that with a seeker coming on board the missile during future launches, Nirbhay is expected to hit the target with offer an accuracy of 1-2 meters. Hyderabad-based DRDO lab Research Centre Imarat (RCI) is engaged in the development of a desi seeker. The RCI also played a key role in Nirbhay's success by providing a redundant navigation system, control actuation system and battery. "The missile navigated through all the 17 way points," a top official said. Capturing Nirbhay's outing on video was a Jaguar deep-penetrating strike aircraft of the Indian Air Force. Thrilled DRDO Chief says more variants in the offing For DRDO Chief Dr Avinash Chander, Nirbhay's second outing was critical to ward off critics, who were waiting in the wing to pounce on him, with the first attempt of the missile (March 2013) being only partially successful. "Mission successful! We have done it. It's a great day for DRDO and missile scientists in India. We are now confident of attempting smarter versions of the missile. This will add new dimensions to our armed forces' capabilities," Dr Chander told OneIndia from the Block House in ITR. A visibly joyous DRDO chief went on to add that Nirbhay demonstrated the capabilities to carry heavy payload giving confidence to its makers. "We are now ready to add more teeth to the missile. We need to integrate the terminal guidance system to make the missile more lethal. It will be then capable of homing on to specific targets," Dr Chander said. Commenting ADE for finally making the missile follow their script right from the word go and till the pre-planned end-game near the safe zone (target area), Dr Avinash said that the lab will have its hands full for the next 10 years. "As I see it, ADE is currently on a well-chartered flight-path with a number of critical projects in their kitty. Our efforts will be now to have Nirbhay indicted into the Navy within three years followed by the Army an year after that. The air force version should be out in the next six years," the top missile scientist said. Ready for crucial briefing with Defence Minister: DRDO DG A top DRDO team led by Dr K Tamilmani, Director General (Aeronautical Systems) is expected to brief Defence Minister Arun Jaitley on Saturday (Oct 18) about Nirbhay. "We will be meeting the Defence Minister with the complete mission parameters Nirbhay has achieved. Integrating the missile was a huge challenge with multiple agencies being involved. We will be briefing the minister about the benefits Nirbhay will offer to the Services," Dr Tamilmani, who oversaw ADE's progress in developing the missile on a daily basis, said. The team is also expected to brief Jaitley about the possibilities Nirbhay will offer to all three Service wings. "It has been tough days for the Nirbhay team and everyone was under tremendous pressure. We stuck to our plans and never let the focus shift. When you develop complex weapon platforms, it's unfair to call challenges as delays," Dr Tamilmani said. A perfect Diwali gift, says ADE boss According to P Srikumar, Director of Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), Bangalore, Nirbhay performed more than what was expected. "It's a great achievement for all of us. Nirbhay was loaded with technology challenges and today one by one we demonstrated how we overcame them. A submerged air intake, which is just a hole in the belly of the missile and deployment of folded wing into the flight configuration are two critical technological challenged we overcame in this project. Deriving inspiration from today's successful launch, we are confident of building on the foundation thereby converting Nirbhay into an excellent missile system," Srikumar said. "Most of the designers in all our partner labs are youngsters, whose confidence will grow in leaps and bounds with the successful launch of Nirbhay. We have tapped the capabilities of over a dozen DRDO labs for this project. I couldn't have asked for a better Diwali gift," the ADE director said. Dr K G Narayanan, former ADE director said that the Nirbhay's success is the logical extension of the work in the field of unmanned systems such as Lakshya and Nishant. "Though I am not fully familiar of the technology used in Nirbhay, it is a great achievement by our scientists," Dr Narayanan said.

http://news.oneindia.in/feature/how-ind ... 42399.html

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Oct 2014 20:33

^nash's link:

A submerged air intake, which is just a hole in the belly of the missile and deployment of folded wing into the flight configuration are two critical technological challenged we overcame in this project

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 17 Oct 2014 20:39

ravip wrote:
SagarAg wrote:Saar he said they were busy with Agni series missiles or long range ballastic missiles since they had higher priority. He said Nirbhay has a range of 1000-2000 km.
I got the link see from 3:20 he clearly says "we were busy in intercontinental missiles and LCM missile". Sorry in the earlier post I said lrmf in fact it is LCM.

http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/news/341836

He didn't say LCM but LCA !!!! What happened is that he say's "abhi tak hum ICBM, Agni aur LCA, in programmes par jyada zor de rah the". When he says the "LCA, in" their is a problem with the audio kind of a momentary blip and it sounds like LCM but if you listen very carefully you will notice that he said "LCA, in" i.e. he was referring to the programmes which were on the priority list.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 17 Oct 2014 20:57

This is awesome news, hats off to DRDO for seeing it through!! Now to get this inducted quickly and in numbers.

sivab wrote:
"...Our efforts will be now to have Nirbhay indicted into the Navy within three years followed by the Army an year after that. The air force version should be out in the next six years," the top missile scientist said.
http://news.oneindia.in/feature/how-ind ... 42399.html

A newbie pooch: wouldn't the Army version be easier to induct first, given that today's tested version was ground launched and can be fitted on to a truck relatively easily? I would expect the Naval and Air Force versions to require more work, given space and weight constraints on-board ships/planes.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 17 Oct 2014 21:05

sivab wrote:
I couldn't have asked for a better Diwali gift," the ADE director said. Dr K G Narayanan, former ADE director said that the Nirbhay's success is the logical extension of the work in the field of unmanned systems such as Lakshya and Nishant.
http://news.oneindia.in/feature/how-ind ... 42399.html

Garage level stuff onlee.....

member_28657 · Post by **member_28657** » 17 Oct 2014 21:08

Congratulations to DRDO and every one who worked on this missile. Congratulations to all of India! Bharatmata ki Jai!

Looking forward to more pictures and hopefully, the in-flight video from the Jaguar chase plane.

So happy that I felt I had to post my first post on BR after being a lurker for a decade plus.