Bharat Rakshak

When one feels the avenues to a normal expression of one's thoughts, feelings and concerns are shut down, it may be that one has no resort other than petty vanity, preoccupation with status, and abuse of others, so as to be able to feel like one's existence too, has a meaning, beyond just getting high marks or making money.

KLNMurthy wrote:

salaam wrote:Cross-posting from 'Gurdaspur Terrorist Strike' thread.

Gurdaspur Coverage as by 'Shahid Masood' is as follows. Do keep in mind that this guy is a foul mouthed spokesperson for ISI and thus for the 'Pakistani Establishment' stationed at GHQ, Pindi. His regular guests are 'Hamid Gul', 'Zulfiqar Mirza', 'Faisal Raza Abidi' and 'Sheik Rasheed Ahmed'.

27 July: http://youtu.be/DEwatZ3dPeo?t=60s watch till 8m (total run of 7 mins)
- Starts with his own 'June' clip wherein he warned that 'Punjab Terror' movement is picking up again. This is in line with Pak prop up of 'Punjab Terror' during Modi rallies in US and Canada as well as other actions of re-ignition.
- Uses word 'bhonda' (stupid) act to describe what he claims is an Indian Intelligence planned operation. Multiple usage of word 'nikhato' (useless) and 'bevkook' (idiot) to describe Indian Intelligence and South Block.
- According to him Bharat has lost the game in Afghanistan and thus are attacking its own population to blame Pakistan.

28 July: http://youtu.be/1_eyI6OWF00?t=45s watch till 14m:30s (total run of 13.75 mins)
- For this days episode he has further briefing and is attacking Doval outright. Calls Doval idiot and says that Doval has gone crazy due to Afghanistan talks success. Implies that Doval is ugly.
- Says that since Doval is not fit for planning he should take advice from Pakistani Peons. According to him Pakistani Peons/Cloth-washers/'Bhangi' are more intelligent and better planners then Doval.
- Reaffirms Pakistans love for Sikhs and calls them brothers. Masood is very worried that Indian Government may harm Sikhs due to this terror incident. Further he states, it is nice that the MMS is out now other-wise what would have happened to him, as MMS is Sikh too.

29 July: http://youtu.be/z74Bdi3u5UI?t=11s watch till 2m (total run of 2 mins)
- Starts with attacking Doval, calling him Idiot and duffer. Says that Masood's news is not going to derail the Afghan '2+2+1' (Afghan/Taliban+US/China+Pakistan) talk.
- Worried that Doval might call a suicide strike on himself due to loss of mental balance.

30 July: http://youtu.be/99D0HWP9U2A?t=45s watch till 3m (total run of 2.25 mins)
- Worried about Indian movie trailer which is propagating 'Kaante se Kaanta nikalenge’.
- Implicitly warning India about an upcoming war by quoting some US newspaper saying that India/Pakistan are close to a war after a long time.
- Further discussion of Afghan peace process after 3 min till 20 min, ends with a warning that if Afghan peace process is interrupted by India then US/China will not take it lying down.

31 July: Search for 'Shahid Masood 31 July'
- Talk of Jalaludin Haqqani news disclosure. Discussion on India’s profit/loss due to the same, makes it clear that India won’t gain anything.
- Shows proposed map of IS which include whole of middle-east and parts of India and China.

1 Aug: Search for 'Shahid Masood 1 August'
- Again talk of IS map and stress of India's inclusion in it.
- Discuss of USA Today article of proposed IS attack on India.
- Talks of Raman's article on Yakub.
- Chota Shakeel's warning clip is shown.
- Says that India is now all in trouble due to Kashmir Terror, Punjab supposed terror, IS terror and D-Comany.

3 Aug: Search for 'Shahid Masood 3 August' – late in episode
- Picks up an Indian paper which quoted him calling Doval names. Says he is sorry for hurting the sentiments of Cloth-washers/Peon’s for comparing with Doval.

PS: Kindly note that 'Najam Sethi' has not mentioned 'Gurdaspur Terrorist Strike' at all in his program 'Aapas ki Baat' which was aired on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

That took a lot of patience and lot of work. And saves the same for others. Thank you.

KLNMurthy wrote:... (there are no travel agents involved when I meet warm pakis in America) ...

Gagan wrote: Pakistan doesn't produce much as it is, what will they export to Afghanistan hainji?

ramana wrote:Re-Read your post and tell me.

KLNMurthy wrote: Re-read it. I got nothing to tell you other than that I believe my post was appropriate, though perhaps a bit challenging to the comfort zones of some people.

Gagan wrote:Very nice post Salaam
This Sahid Masood character is supposedly a doctor. Dunno what kind of doctor he is, but apparently not a successful one, one can safely assumeThey are miffed because Ajit Doval knows them inside out, knows their BENIS stories and now as NSA has all their officer/jihadi files to pore over pictures of their shenegians, they are afraid that information about their families is also in the files that the Indian security establishment has access to.This is the fear filled outburst of people who are very scared these days

ramana wrote:Pakis in US sound very reasonable and earnest. No need to think they represent society back in TSP.

ramana wrote:Pakis in US sound very reasonable and earnest. No need to think they represent society back in TSP.

Tuvaluan wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote: Re-read it. I got nothing to tell you other than that I believe my post was appropriate, though perhaps a bit challenging to the comfort zones of some people.

Comfort zone, it seems. You just do some ridiculous "psychoanalysis" and go around claiming pakis are reasonable, and then pretend you are challenging comfort zones of people. Along the same lines, I could just as well claim that you are pretty much clueless as far as pakistan is concerned, and you are trying to compensate for your ignorance by making outrageous "psychoanalysis" of Indians, who are apparently, in your view, too stupid or have various complexes that stops them from figuring pakis, who are complex and hard to understand. So far you have been spewing utter nonsense, and pretending you are saying something deep and new, when you are doing nothing of that sort.

Pakis in the US are not representative of pakis in pakistan, and even there, if we are going to provide empirical examples as "proof" of complex and good pakis, I can provide sufficient counter examples that are in stark contrast to all the civilized pakis you claim to have met. Regardless, the point is about the polity in Pakistan that has been radicalized not some subset that has no skin in the game and lives comfortably outside of Pakistan.

NEW DELHI: The GPS devices recovered from the terrorists killed in the terror attack in Punjab last Monday had the coordinates of two temples and a college fed in them, a revelation which has forced the intelligence agencies to probe if these were the primary targets.

Sajoti Mata ji temple, Chhotu Nath Mandir and SSM College in Dinanagar figure in the GPS coordinates, the logs accessed by TOI reveal.

The suspicion that the terrorists may have hijacked the police station in a desperate move after being spotted was already an aspect of investigation by the agencies as not having hostages did not serve them any purpose. The real plan, they say, could have been to hijack students of the college and target the temples.

Indian agencies could now take help of foreign agencies and the FBI lab to have the devices and the data analyzed minutely.

The GPS logs show that the devices had coordinates of 13 places in Punjab stored in them. A majority of the places were visited by the terrorists. The timers in the devices were altered to mislead investigators and the devices were switched on only after the terrorists crossed the border.

Anindya wrote:How does this help?

Pak businessmen to get 3-year multiple-entry visa

KLNMurthy wrote:

ramana wrote:Re-Read your post and tell me.

Re-read it. I got nothing to tell you other than that I believe my post was appropriate, though perhaps a bit challenging to the comfort zones of some people.

So, I still have my question, and you can tell me if you want to, or just claim admin discretion, or just whim or whatever.

National security advisor Ajit Doval on Tuesday denied he ``embarrassed'' external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj when he spoke directly to the Pakistan ambassador to stop his country's troops from firing on the border. This happened soon after the two nations decided to revive peace talks in Ufa, Russia, last month.

Talking about deterrence, Doval said India punches below its weight. ``We should not punch below our weight or over our weight. We must punch proportionately,'' he said.

During a brief question-answer session during the Lalit Doshi Memorial lecture at the YB Chavan hall in south Mumbai, the NSA bluntly said there is no time for hierarchy when immediacy is required. ``There was no embarrassment to the ministry of external affairs or to Sushma Swaraj, who was not there at that time,'' he said.

``The message was given to the Pakistanis early in the morning, 7.05 am, to stop the firing or India will retaliate with effect. The message was also given to our high commission in Pakistan,'' said Doval.

At such times, he added, there should be no time for bureaucratic hurdles. ``Otherwise you do not deserve to be in that position,'' he told a packed audience comprising industrialists, bureaucrats, police officials among others.

``It is wrong to say that the prime minister's office dictates terms. It is all teamwork,'' he said.

He also refused to answer a provocative question about why India had failed to catch underworld don Dawood Ibrahim despite a strong army and navy. Doval said, as an example, that a tank battalion cannot be used to catch a pickpocket. However, the state must develop power to tackle covert threats, he added.

The NSA also justified use of violence by the state if it is ``through rightful processes and not done in an indiscriminate manner''. ``The state has to protect the supreme interest of the nation. Or else all other freedoms will sink,'' he cautioned.

Doval also lambasted those who described capital punishment as ``state sponsored killings'' in the wake of Yakub Memon's hanging last week. ``It is totally untenable to say that. When a state acts for the nation's interest and not for any vested interest, it does not reduce us to murderers,'' he said.

Taking a dig at the critics, the NSA said individual morality cannot be inflicted on the larger interest of society. ``The nation will take all recourse to protect the present generation and future generation. We owe it to them,'' he said.

During Yakub Memon's funeral in Mumbai, Doval monitored the situation from the state headquarters, Mantralaya.

Falijee wrote:Bad Sharif Attends Chinese Embassy Military Reception And Announces That China's Enemy Is Pakistan's Enemy And We Will Defeat Rivals Jointly

ISLAMABAD: The Chief of the Army Staff (COAS), General Raheel Sharif, on Friday said that “China’s enemy is Pakistan’s enemy and we will defeat rivals jointly”.

He said this on Friday evening in a grand reception hosted by the Chinese Embassy’s Armed Forces attaché Major General Qi Huajun to commemorate the 88th anniversary of the foundation of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) here at a local hotel. The army chief was the chief guest.

General Raheel said: “Your enemy is our enemy. Eliminating the East Turkistan Independence Movement is its manifestation.[*] Our cooperation for regional stability will squeeze space for states and non-state actors for stable Afghanistan.”

[*] But are these not members of the Ummah Brotherhood

Punjabis can best be described as a cross between Texans and New Yorkers. They exude a brashness and zest for life (reflected through their rich stock of "Punjabi" jokes) and also include some of Pakistan's best educated and cultured elites, all of which can be irritating to non-Punjabis. For Punjabis, only the Pashtuns can compare in martial qualities and valor; attitudes toward Baluchis are dismissive, and toward Sindhis, contemptuous.

An article in the American magazine, The Weekly Standard
had this to say in its Nov 5th 2001 edition:

..the attractive character of elite Pakistani officials.
Compared with their haughty Indian and chaotic Afghan
neighbors, Pakistani VIPs are often wittier, warmer, and
more knowledgeable about the insider gossip of U.S.
politics. American diplomats and spooks often have a good
deal of fun with their Westernized Pakistani
counterparts. As one congressional staffer, who
frequently visits south-central Asia, succinctly put it,
"I like 'em; the Indians are jerks."

As recently as June 2002, the Washington Post reported:
It was mid afternoon Tuesday, and Anwar Mahmood,
Pakistan's information secretary, was on the phone
discussing with an underling how to keep more than 100
foreign journalists happy for the rest of the week...if
it keeps the reporters satisfied, he figured, it's worth
the $3,000 it will cost his ministry to rent the plane
from Pakistan International Airlines...The Pakistani
government, eager to make its voice heard, has ordered
foreign embassies to expedite visas for
journalists...Five times in the past month, the
Information Ministry has rented air-conditioned buses to
carry journalists to the Line of Control... There they
are treated to hour-long military briefings, complete
with maps, displays of Indian mortar shells -- and tea
sandwiches served on trays by white-gloved soldiers. You
won't get such hospitality from the Indian army.

RamaY wrote:I know there are many fair fans here, but I think she is payomukhavyaghram.

Check her tweets before gurdaspur attack. I think she is trying to get back to her pakjabi lover & wouldnt hesitate to burn India to prove her loyalty.

CRamS wrote: the reality of pervasive colonial disease in India means that some SDRE saying the same thing will by a "Hindu extremist".

ramana wrote:Pakis in US sound very reasonable and earnest. No need to think they represent society back in TSP.

CRamS wrote: she bashes the Christian right in USA with impunity too.

Gagan wrote:
All pakis were always very tense in the weeks preceeding a visit to Pakiland: they're afraid they'll be goatnapped, ransomed, contract some disease (brain eating amoeba I presume), or might not make it back alive in one piece. Then there is the fear that they might not be allowed back into massaland.

We used to ask them to take some electricity home with them.

vayu tuvan wrote:

CRamS wrote: she bashes the Christian right in USA with impunity too.

May be with abandon rather than impunity? Surely she would antagonize a large section. It is also possible that she is completely irrelevant and small potato in the larger scheme of things where Hillary Clintons, Sara palins, Barbara bush, condy rice, Samantha rice and Nikki Haley play.