India-US Strategic News and Discussion

[ramana]

One of the things from US side to explore eventually is what drove the vehment anger in India?
-From the re-reading of the Mays' involvement DK was specifically groomed to be a fall person.
And what made India stick to cancelling only the non-reciprocal facilities extended to US diplomats?
- India hasn't gone overboard unlike depicted in SD rag NY Times.

---saip, THanks.

LINK

INDIA, November 17, 2012 (HPI): HPI thanks a reader for sending us the press release below. It clarifies that a textbook published in India and purchased by schools which says meat-eaters "easily cheat, lie, forget promises and commit sex crimes," as reported by the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20354669) is not connected to a Hindu author. The story was picked up by the wire services and appeared in the New York Times, Huffington Post and many other news outlets, often carrying an implicit assumption that Hindus were somehow to blame for this when, in fact, the author is David S. Poddar, a member of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, which advocates vegetarianism. That the material was from a Christian point of view should have been obvious from one part of the schoolbook's text: "The strongest argument that meat is not essential food is the fact that the Creator of this Universe did not include meat in the original diet for Adam and Eve. He gave them fruits, nuts and vegetables," which is the precise argument of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. The Adventists are leaders in research on vegetarianism in the US, and have done studies showing those among their members who are strict vegetarians (about 30%) live eight to ten years more than the general population.

PRESS RELEASE ON THE TITLE "NEW HEALTHWAY FOR CLASS 6"
By S. Chand Group

"We have taken note of observation published by certain section of media on one of our titles: "New Healthway Series for Class 6", the explanation on non-vegetarian diet, conduct and other remarks. The matter is regrettable and the book has since been withdrawn and would be referred to the author.

"We at S. Chand Group for last seven decades plus have pioneered Indian publishing and as industry leaders are known for our quality, transparency and empowering 3 generation of the country with quality text books. We have an unblemished history till date. This one incident is not only shocking but also saddening to us and it is highly regretted and we are empathically apologetic. The Group founder, Padamshree Late Shyam Lal Gupta Ji, was not only the doyen of publishing industry, but also founder of FIP and main force behind bringing the Indian publishers together and setting up high benchmarks and standards.

"It is also regretted that a miscommunication by some agencies has been carried out that the Series in question is CBSE approved, which is entirely groundless & baseless. This Series is not a part of any curriculum or syllabus and is an extended learning series, which may be used by a School or students at their discretion. To put it on record, a total of only 1,384 copies of the title under question were sold last year and 70 copies sold this year including all kind of School and retail sales in Indian market.

"We regret this particular lapse but at same time also put in record our longstanding service and commitment to publish quality textbooks.

"The content & views expressed in that book are solely the views of the author, David S. Poddar, Former Teacher, Principal and Education Director, Seventh-day Adventist, Hosur, Tamil Nadu. As mentioned earlier, we are discontinuing this title with immediate effect and the content therein would also be put up with the author. We categorically express that there was no intention whatsoever to hurt the sentiments of any individual or group.

"We at S. Chand remain committed to our mission to provide the highest quality content to the students.

"This is the official communication released on behalf of S Chand Group against any query on New Healthway Series Title 6. Any communication in this respect may be sent to [email protected]."

So this was a self goal or fratricide by Ms May where she thought it was Indians whom she was dissing when the content is from a true blue Amercian Christian organisation.


How the mighty are fallen!

[Rudradev]

Anmol ji, aap tho sahee may BRF kay anmol ratna niklay! What a coup-- congratulations.

[ramana]

RD, Read the saip link on the vegetarianism book.

[Rudradev]

Ramana, it's a typical half-lie (lie big, recant small if at all) like any number of reported "nun rapes". A nun gets raped somewhere, and the entire Industry (from its US sources to its Indian shills) goes off with hysterical media reports about Kandhamal, Staines, Christian persecution by Hindoos in India, what not. Then it emerges that the rapists were all Christians onlee (often relatives of the nun)-- but by this time only the BRF-ites are paying attention and the "Hindoos rape nuns" version has been heartily absorbed by the lore that shapes public perception.

Same with this. Alicia May cites an "Indian" textbook saying "meat eaters rape"; the Industry connects the dots ("it's a vegetarian perspective so must be a superstitious Hindoo publication onlee"); finally it emerges, but only on BRF, that the claim itself is from a tract produced by US-funded Christian missionaries. In the meantime the intended narrative spawned by the original half-truth has already taken wing and risen to the skies.

In May's case, it's one hand pretending not to know what the other is doing.

[ramana]

Rudradev, Be that as may I think Alcia May jumped the gun and made many assumptions in her mind and got into trouble.
A textbook on vegetarianism written by an American living in India is published by a local Indian publisher. The contents get reproted by BBC and Huffing and Chuffin post et al.. The diplomat makes the connection to India and vegetarianism and posts her own undiplomatic comments on Facebook.

These get wide publicity later on.

She leaves India.

This part of the story makes it even more eg(G)regious.

[svinayak]

David Poddar is an Indian from TN

[chetak]

Long time back me and my amrikki GHQ were travelling through India. In Rajasthan we found a really good driver who took us from point A to point B fast and I really got to like him the first couple of days. He figured that since I was with a gori chick, I also held the same world view as most of his gora passangers. Soon the talks and narrative changed to issues with Gujjars, untouchables etc and how they get mistreated every second of the day. The man took us through "special routes" through jaipur where no "upper caste" person goes.

I was too deracinated to react at that point. I did change the driver as soon as I got a chance though. Surprisingly my GHQ wanted to keep him and when I insisted that I wanted to get rid of him because he might just be blowing smoke up our behinds, she reluctantly agreed on the one condition that I give him "something extra" coz of the hardship he has to go through everyday.

That incident gave me a rare view on what happens when these folks are alone with gora admis. They know that goras like the hear their stories about being mistreated (as a way to feel superior and also get the "white man's burden" thing). As a pittance these goras usually give them 'something extra'. This is a small cottage industry. The drivers know the piskology of the goras very well, they just tell them what they want to hear about India.

I am willing to bet that is what happened with SR, her husband and her in-laws. They took the Mays for a ride and thereby achieved the unique feat of compromising and already shaky India-US 'relationship' as a result of their actions. The Mays might have wanted to save a fellow Christian from the heathens of India, filled with filth, cows and what not. They were just performing their "white-man's-burden" in effect working against the interest of their parent country.

What did not help the situation was MUTUs like Bharara and the general intransigence of the DoJ, DoS and especially USMS when dealing with people of color.

Such guys are a menace. I know many well to do families who have their useless sons employed as drivers at various embassies and consulates. A driver is a driver. Nothing can change that basic fact. Red lines are to be respected by all concerned.

There is a greedy, slyly enlightened and motivated network of hotel employees, support staff, shop assistants, drivers and all those other lower level employees who come into regular contact with the goras who literally prey upon them with hard luck sob stories specially and specifically designed to get the goras to part with money. Low caste, untouchability etc is the reason that all of them use to sell their stories and all of them claim that they have been oppressed for generations. Goras usually part with thousand rupee notes on hearing their hard luck stories. They specifically target the older age group of goras. It used to be quite embarrassing for us to keep such scum from targeting vulnerable goras. Complaints to the hotel management or the management of the companies providing drivers sometimes resulted in drivers and hotel staff turning abusive.

After a few days of continuous association with goras many drivers and staff begin to address Indian management by name and tend to become over familiar and downright arrogant. A stiff kick in the nether regions is usually enough to set them right. Other times, termination of such staff is the only option left. Goras are not usually used to being waited on hand and foot. Many do not know how to handle servants unless they are to the manor born, so to speak. They quickly begin to mollycoddle service providers, maybe because of guilt or whatever, insisting on using first names, eating together etc and sometimes embarrassing their Indian hosts.

I remember one creep of a gora assigned local driver who planted his fat posterior in our reception and loudly called for the "office boy" to serve him coffee. When asked, he claimed that his "gora sab, peter" had given him permission to stay put in the reception area for the whole day with access to the staff catering facilities as the driver chose. Needless to say, the driver did not return the next day and peter did not get the next assignment.

[chetak]

David Poddar is an Indian from TN

Isn't poddar a bengali name?

[Javee]

David Poddar is an Indian from TN

His last name does not sound like he is from TN.

Edit: Poddar's are"Agarwals" and a bunch of them migrated and live in TN.

[Jarita]

David Poddar is an Indian from TN

That is a Marwari last name

[chetak]

Fish was served at the last supper.

What is poddar blathering about non vegetarians??

At the last supper, Jesus is said to have eaten bread and drunk wine. Luke 24:42 says: "And they gave him [Jesus] a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb. And he took it,


What did Jesus eat at the Last Supper?

What was served at the Last Supper?

Many would answer with another question - Was the Last Supper a Passover Seder? There is disagreement among the gospels, and among scholars -- but we can consider what we eat today in the Land of Israel, and look back at the sources to get a tasty idea of what was on the menu, regardless of the exact date.

The Seven Species in Deut 8:8 listed as evidence of a "good land" are everyday foods here in Israel -- Wheat, barley, figs, grapes, olives, pomegranates, and dates -- with olives taking pride of place, showing up everywhere. Olives are an Israeli snack food, and every "Israeli Salad" of chopped tomatoes and cucumbers is dressed with just lemon juice and olive oil.

Would the Seven Species have been served at the Last Supper? Pomegranates are a fall fruit and so wouldn't be in season. Fresh grapes ripen later in the year, in the summer although it is said that Peter served both red and white grapes. Grapes in the form of wine was available year round. Dried figs and dates are possiblities, the dates could have also been made into sweet syrup, called "silan" in Hebrew . Surely olives could have graced the table.

As for wheat and barley, it would depend if there was grain left over from last years crop. If there were leftovers, then it could be eaten -- like today, bread was a staple in biblical times and barley was poor mans food, used in porridge and cakes. If it was from the new spring crop, it would be saved for an offering later in the Spring for Ha-Habikurim, the Festival of the First Fruits, also known as Pentecost or Shavout.

In addition to the Seven Species, Vetch - an ancient grain legume crop of the Mediterranean region similar to broad beans , along with barley, peas and lentils would appear among the first crops of the season.
What else might complete the menu of the Last Supper? According to Luke, Jesus asked Peter to fish the deep waters of the lake although he had been fishing the whole night without catching anything. This time, however, he caught so much tilapia the boats were overloaded. Tilapia, known as Peter's fish, is available in fish markets all over the Holy Land.

Spring lamb with mint sauce? Very unlikely to be served at the Last Supper, as meat was a rich man's food. Goat? Beef? Chicken? Probably not. Either too expensive or else saved for an offering at the Temple in Jerusalem. If meat was served there would have been no milk or dairy products served, as observant Jews do not eat meat and dairy products together at the same meal. But since meat was probably not served, goat's milk and still very popular "labne" yogurt, perhaps drizzled with honey or date syrup would have made for a delicious dessert.

Wild greens are free for the taking. Wild asparagus, Cape Sorrel - a bitter green that kids like to munch on, chickweed, and any number of spinach-like sprout up in springtime in fields all over Israel. Likewise spices such as oregano, thyme, bay leaves, sumac and hyssop - a main ingredient in the very popular spice blend called "zatar" - can be found growing wild. Forraging today has a special appeal to "foodies", but anyone on a budget - regardless of the era they live in - appreciates the bounty that nature provides gratis.

Whatever was served at the Last Supper, it was not what we expect of a meal today. The meals of yesterday and yesteryear was smaller in portion size and more modest in variety, preparation and presentation.

[Anantha]

Meanwhile in Indian express for most of the day a thumb nail in the front page had DK's picture with a headline "Expelled diplomat does not refect Govt position : US". Clearly misleading...

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... ositionus/

[member_22733]

The JNU type literati crowd which infests our "elite" media circles is of course this type as well. Net, am reminded of A-Gupta's post - until & unless India develops, we will continue to have parasites amongst us playing to the fears of others who expect a certain narrative & when given that skewed narrative, buy it easily. Even then, there will be folks who continue to make hay and those who walk with predecided views about India, but hopefully, it won't be so easy to sucker them either and nor will there be a mass narrative based on the kind of rubbish that currently passes for understanding India (often propagated by Indians of the left leaning variety).

I agree. I think we can call it a new-age-begging-racket. Selling stories of oppression is the only way some folks know how to make money. The major consumer is the west who have a mighty-whitey white-man's-burden complex (No one begs to the chinese or koreans ). These beggars can be elitist-leftist beggars or can be low level employee beggars. That is the only way they know how to make 'good' money, they are otherwise employed in a profession with low income.

Of course, "good" money is a relative term, and let me expand on that a bit:

For the lower income folks, it all boils down to economy. If these folks could live respectably the number of parasites/beggars would drop.

The elitist beggars are a different category. They are in general employable in good professions, but they have found an easy way to make more money and enjoy a 5 star life. All they have to do is to prostitute their work to make the gora feel superior. The goras are naturally programmed with a bunch of assumptions and biases about themselves (i.e. they are the 'master race'), and about the others ('non-whites' cannot take care of themselves and need some gora hand to get to xyz).

These biases are so deep that any negative narrative about India that validates this image will be bought by the gora without a counter question being asked. This applies from the dumbest gora to the smartest one, due to the simple fact that any deep mental bias is a hard thing to correct.

Now I can excuse what the lower income folks do to goras, they are begging at a much lower level, there options to make reasonable income are otherwise somewhat limited. However, what the elitist beggars do is inexcusable. They are the ones everyone 'look up' to and should set the vision for our country. Instead they themselves are involved in sucking gora 1und. Which is unsurprising since that is what their forefathers did for the Briturds.

This is why I call the elitist beggars :- intellectually bankrupt house slaves. They are nothing more nothing less. The biggest curse on India is that that this class is what we have for our elites. In any strong country with an agenda, these class would be considered traitorous and would be relegated to being side-shows in a circus. Communists in the USofA are a good example of that.

[chanakyaa]

chaanakya (Did I get the spelling right!),....

Ramanaji, you got the spelling right, but the real Chanakya is one with extra 'a' at the end...

Meanwhile in Indian express for most of the day a thumb nail in the front page had DK's picture with a headline "Expelled diplomat does not refect Govt position : US". Clearly misleading...

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... ositionus/

While still SD's employee's, May company make offensive remarks about India (who cares).....who is the real winner, not US, not India, but the great social engineering sites Fashbook and Twitter.

[MurthyB]

This is why I call the elitist beggars :- intellectually bankrupt house slaves. They are nothing more nothing less. The biggest curse on India is that that this class is what we have for our elites. In any strong country with an agenda, these class would be considered traitorous and would be relegated to being side-shows in a circus. Communists in the USofA are a good example of that.

Actually, in much of the post colonial world, there have been violent purges, like the cultural revolution in China that got rid of an entire class of people baby and bathwater combined. I think most commie places did that, including Cuba. The commies in those places were at least nationalistic and patriotic, unlike the peculiar Indian commie/marxist type that now takes refuge in massa and writes for the New York Times or massi and Al Guardian.

[member_22733]

^^^ The few countries who have had successful post colonial phases have only achieved it with violence. I have mentioned this before. For the justification and the necessity of such violence one can refer to Frantz Fanon: The Wretched of the Earth -- Concerning Violence.

http://zeroanthropology.net/2009/03/12/ ... -violence/

In the colonial countries where a real struggle for freedom has taken place, where the blood of the people has flowed and where the length of the period of armed warfare has favored the backward surge of intellectuals toward bases grounded in the people, we can observe a genuine eradication of the superstructure built by these intellectuals from the bourgeois colonialist environment. The colonialist bourgeoisie, in its narcissistic dialogue, expounded by the members of its universities, had in fact deeply implanted in the minds of the colonized intellectual that the essential qualities remain eternal in spite of all the blunders men may make: the essential qualities of the West, of course. The native intellectual accepted the cogency of these ideas, and deep down in his brain you could always find a vigilant sentinel ready to defend the Greco-Latin pedestal. Now it so happens that during the struggle for liberation, at the moment that the native intellectual comes into touch again with his people, this artificial sentinel is turned into dust. All the Mediterranean values–the triumph of the human individual, of clarity, and of beauty–become lifeless, colorless knickknacks. All those speeches seem like collections of dead words; those values which seemed to uplift the soul are revealed as worthless, simply because they have nothing to do with the concrete conflict in which the people is engaged.

Very clearly, we paid the price by a large death toll one way or the other (partition, communal violence etc). In return we inherited the same administrative structures that were otherwise used by the Briturds to loot of appropriate instead of administering anything. This is not to discount our what our freedom fighters did. They just were not ready for freedom by the time they got it. The result is for all to see.

[MurthyB]

Very clearly, we paid the price by a large death toll one way or the other (partition, communal violence etc). In return we inherited the same administrative structures that were otherwise used by the Briturds to loot of appropriate instead of administering anything. This is not to discount our what our freedom fighters did. They just were not ready for freedom by the time they got it. The result is for all to see.

There is no template to follow. For the purge path, you need a tyranny, and for a place like India, it is difficult to imagine what one would look like without it creating a huge mess. A consensus driven polity under democracy is the best solution, but you are powerless to engage in thought control there, without being accused and brought down as a fascist. The western powers have developed that organically by being at the top and lording it over the others (and by being tyrannical in their past anyway). Indians have no such luxuries.

[Gerard]

Now, registration of diplomats’ domestic helps mandatory in U.S

The action plan, released by the White House, stated that the in-person registration of domestic help of diplomats in Washington would be done soon after their arrival in the U.S.

The action plan, released at a White House event by Cecilia Munoz, director of the Domestic Policy Council, stated: “Department of State will develop procedures for the in-person registration of domestic workers employed by diplomatic personnel in the Washington DC area shortly after their arrival in the U.S. to apprise them further of their rights and available services.”

The document said the Bureau of Diplomatic Security will create an online human trafficking investigation education course that includes instructions on how to identify and treat potential trafficking victims, the best practices to successfully investigate and prosecute trafficking offences, and how to refer victims for services.

[member_22733]

[OT]
Murthyji,
No argument there. The best we can do is what we do now with what we have.

Whoever is involving in post-colonial Indian thought (Rajiv Malhotra for example) should make themselves aware that they are fighting against a cancer called the "Indian elite". That even if he 'converts' a few of them into post colonial thinkers, they will be shunt out immediately by the rest of the elites and thereby they will be shunted out from changing any established discourse on the identity of who Indians are. Those 'converts' will then be replaced by a new set of house-slaves who will then continue the rot that was set up from back in the day. Anyone needing an example of this may remember the shunting out of Yoginder Sikand the moment he confessed the meaning of being 'truly' sekooolar in India.

There needs to be a new path to kill this cancer. As to what that path might be, it is a question that has eluded me for quite a long time.

[merlin]

A little something from a different track. Look at Blackwill's comments nd judge for yourselves.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... tXm76EayK1

[shiv]

Link: http://garyweiss.blogspot.com/2013/12/p ... -fire.html

Preet "Dobby" Bharara

[merlin]

And a take by a former diplomat on why DK-gate happened.

http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/201 ... rtner.html

[MurthyB]

[OT]

There needs to be a new path to kill this cancer. As to what that path might be, it is a question that has eluded me for quite a long time.

I wonder why India does not yet have a "right wing" media a la Faux News. It need not be as departed from reality as Faux news is, but given that the left sickulars are so off the deep end on the other side in India, you would think that this is a ripe market to exploit. It would need some powerful political support to make it immune from censorship and other shenanigans, but hopefully it will happen and provide a counter narrative that will force change. This is assuming that right now there is no such place (I haven't come across any) other than either some local language media, or fledgling ones such as NITI central.

[merlin]

It looks like after the 1998 nuke tests the job of Indian NSAs is to stroke the US ego and give them a free pass all the time.All Indian NSAs have been acting as US viceroys in India wrt to US interests.


Brajesh Mishra let Rabinder Singh exfiltrate to US.
MKN did noting about David Headley.
SSM has let the Richards family exfiltrate to US

Maybe they are the true US moles in the PMO.

[rahulm]

MKB's article finally answers:

1. Why the WH took so much interest in DK via PB
2. Why did India react the way it did in this case when past record is not so great
3. Why SR had to be spirited out of the country

It was all about good old spooky stuff.

Given all of this background, I do think then that the outcome (DK returning to India) is a huge win for India and I would say India 2, US 1 (they did get SR).

Turns out DK is a true daughter of the soil for rebuffing and then exposing the recruitment affair to her higher ups.Also, she literally took humiliating abuse for the country.

[svenkat]

MKB is not popular in BRF.Yet,posting his take.

The American side has been taken by surprise. Their perception of the working of the Indian foreign and security policy establishment turned out to be way off the mark. In the recent decade when glaring espionage activities by the CIA surfaced – when they smuggled out a top intelligence official (2004) or when they breached the security perimeters of India’s National Security Council [NSC] in 2006 – the spooks in the American embassy in Delhi got away scot-free.

Any country with self-respect would have reacted strongly when such subversive acts by a foreign power surfaced, but India chose to shove the incidents under the carpet for reasons that are beyond comprehension. Whether it was because of the sense of vulnerability on the part of the Indian functionaries holding fort in the foreign policy and security establishment at that time or because of political interference – Delhi was negotiating the nuclear deal during those years – remains anybody’s guess. All that can be said is that if the Americans developed a sneering contempt toward the Indian establishment, it wasn’t entirely their fault.
The Americans got the impression that the Indian establishment was impotent and highly vulnerable to US pressure and the elites were lacking in integrity and a sense of honor. Delhi must be one of the few capitals where minor flunkeys of the American embassy take undue freedom to backslap cabinet ministers at public receptions. Arguably, a point has been reached where it has become difficult to lend credence to media reporting – from Delhi or Washington-based reporters alike – on matters affecting the US-Indian “defining partnership”.

In the present case too, there were big attempts at media management by the US embassy with a view to push back the Indian establishment.

Thus, a coloring was given that the Khobragade affair was a matter of ‘human-trafficking’ and ‘visa fraud’; that a rogue element in the American embassy mishandled the matter (really?); that Khobragade is a wealthy woman (so what?); that the Indian Foreign Service thinks no end of itself and so on – but, ultimately, none of this worked and Delhi kept up relentless pressure on Washington to ensure that the Indian diplomat returned to India without being forced to stand trial in New York on framed-up charges.

The heart of the matter is that the Indian diplomat spurned the overtures by the US intelligence and reported to her superiors, which in turn alerted the Indian counter-intelligence and prompted Delhi to demand that the diplomat’s housemaid (who is an Indian official passport holder, by the way) should be forthwith repatriated to India.
Evidently, the US intelligence was caught on the wrong foot because the housemaid is a valuable “asset” who could spill the beans regarding the modus operandi of the US embassy set-up in Delhi as well as the plot to compromise the Indian diplomat. The only way out for the CIA has been to ‘rehabilitate’ not only the Indian housemaid but also her entire family (as insisted upon by her) in America.
The Indian foreign policy and security establishment worked as one team to structure a comprehensive response to the espionage activity by the CIA. It gladdens the heart that the political leadership gave them a free hand to handle the matter professionally, and ignored the sniping by sections of the Indian media that the matter was being ‘mishandled’, et al’.

The point is, there has been a congruence of interests within the Indian establishment. For the External Affairs Ministry, it was a matter of critical importance that the CIA tried to subvert the Indian Foreign Service. For the Indian security agencies, it was payback time to settle scores with the US intelligence who made them look foolish in the bazaar ever since the CIA spirited out of India Rabinder Singh, a top intelligence officer, just when the Indian counter-intelligence was closing in on him, or when young Rossane Minchew of the US embassy honey-trapped an official of the NSC in sundry hotel rooms and got way with Top Secret documents.
The Khobragade case provides a reality check. Even the fat cats who serve as American lobbyists in Delhi should be realizing that they don’t call the shots, after all, when it comes to national security issues. This is one good thing. But more fundamentally, the state of play in the US-Indian relations stands exposed. The Delhi elites didn’t want to hear about the ex-CIA whistleblower Edward Snowden’s startling disclosures that India, especially its diplomats in the US, has been a prime target for the Americans. But the downstream developments can no longer be wished away…

Quite obviously, India needs to remind itself that history has not ended with the Cold War. What is at stake here is nothing less than India’s capacity to remain an autonomous power in the pursuit of its national interests of development by steering an independent foreign policy.

[member_22733]

[OT]

There needs to be a new path to kill this cancer. As to what that path might be, it is a question that has eluded me for quite a long time.

I wonder why India does not yet have a "right wing" media a la Faux News. It need not be as departed from reality as Faux news is, but given that the left sickulars are so off the deep end on the other side in India, you would think that this is a ripe market to exploit. It would need some powerful political support to make it immune from censorship and other shenanigans, but hopefully it will happen and provide a counter narrative that will force change. This is assuming that right now there is no such place (I haven't come across any) other than either some local language media, or fledgling ones such as NITI central.

The answer to that question is simple: There is no economic security in peddling the 'right wing' or even 'post colonial' view point. The money is with loony house-slaves who get it as a gift from the west.

Any wonder why the "right wing" is only present in social media and alternate media like NITI? The efforts to control such 'discourse changing' entities like social media (using 66A for ex.) is also an indication on why there will never be a mainstream 'right wing' media in India.

Let me stick my neck out and say this: In this respect, Bakis and Bangladesis have been better. But instead of being western slaves, they are now turning into Wahabbi slaves. Bakistan is a nation with a purpose, which is to be 'not-India' and an agenda to 'destroy India with a 1000 cuts' with 'more Islam' as a weapon and solution to everything. That is their definition of their identity. This discourse is a problematic one and one can evidently see that it has accelerated their path to hell to supersonic speeds. The Bakis atleast are getting somewhere (should be in hell pretty soon), unlike India which just moves about slowly as if without purpose or direction.

Unlike in bakistan, there is no equivalent discourse in India, which we can claim as our own 'manifest destiny' or raison-detre (or whatever its called). Everyone has his or her own ideas, which makes it a fertile field to be hijacked by the west and it has undoubtedly done so. In this large sea of rootless human beings who have very vacillating self-identity, low self-esteem and a poor understanding of one's culture and history, the 'right wingers' are just few and far in between to change anything. There is no money in it to sustain. The only person who generated some money preaching right wing things was Baba Ramdev, but he has been successfully subverted.

[ramana]

A little something from a different track. Look at Blackwill's comments nd judge for yourselves.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... tXm76EayK1

Why not the full text and highlight the relevant portions or else its LTB!
Refer to Mahdi's definitions in the humor thread.

[ramana]

While MKB may be true as he is an IFS hand I still think IFS did not do enough and will post in a day or to my analysis.

BTW I believed in DK from day one and my post reflect that.

One cant be named Devayani and be something else.

amo Namah!

There is power in the name.

[svenkat]

LokeshCji,
Theres a reason why pak can easily package itself as not-india.India is complex.It is not only SDRE but also TFTA(in the true sense).SDRE+TFTA are both in our genes.Thats our manifest destiny.

[TSJones]

The problem is, you guys are so addicted to CTs that you are unwilling to accept why all this happened:

It happened because of a wave of political correctnes over women's issues.

You think that there has to be some ulterior deep, dark, secret why this all happened when the truth is staring you right in the face. This US historically has done this many times, banning alcohol - prohibition, the Vietnam war, etc. There was no ulterior motive to these events, it was a wave of political hysteria that sometimes over takes the US. I recommend the book "What's the Matter with Kansas" where low income rural whites support conservative causes that are ultimately detrimental to them. It examines closely how hot button issues are used for political purposes such as abortion, etc.

Women were a major portion of the US electorate that got Obama elected. Women's issues rule with this administration. They accuse the Republicans, rightly or wrongly of committing a "war on women".

So they don't care what the ultimate cost of realtionship is with India. It could be trillions. It could drive India into permanent aliance with Russia. Right now, they. don't. care.

Don't get me wrong, the US establishment is going to make nice with India but they've drawn the line on women's issues. They're not going to back down on this issue.

[KLP Dubey]

So far so good....

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 810571.cms

[SSridhar]

For the first time, I appreciate MKB and most probably what he says is the truth. We have attributed various reasons so far and we came close at one point to SR being a US spy. But, nobody imagined that the US tried to recruit Ms. Khobragade herself (probably because of her American husband angle and a possible desire to settle down in the US at some point of time in her life) and she reported the attempt to MEA. This explains many things such as why the SD was deeply involved, why the US had to go to extraordinary lengths to which it went etc. This was the mystery part in the whole episode that now stands clarifies. Thanks, Mr. MKB.

[member_22733]

TSJonesji,

Is that why the US raped and also disrobed DK? It was a cardinal sin committed by the antagonist in one of our major religious epics (Mahabharatha), which ofcourse is a book of heathens and does not have the greco roman roots to be considered of any value by the west. But it is one of our valuable epics from which many in India draw inspiration.

Coming to your point let me restate your position. Just like the Iraqi mission statement of the US: "We will bomb you for peace". You are saying that in the US, we now have the official mission statement of the war for 'Protection of Women' : We will rape you for women's rights.

Irony cannot even begin to describe what all of this means

[vasu raya]

SSridharji, on the very first day that angle came up with many posters alluding to it and a possible reason for the vindictive treatment, maybe Mr. Bhadrakumar has more detail, haven't read his article yet.

[KLP Dubey]

BTW I believed in DK from day one and my post reflect that.

According to a close family member - a PSU chairman - who knows DK, she is an excellent officer and strongly defended the Indian interests especially in trade-related issues with the US. There is no reason to doubt her integrity. It is the incompetence of the Indian government at large that failed her in the hour of need. If DK's father was not an IAS man and did not have the means to pursue her case, it is anybody's guess where she would be languishing by now.

[SSridhar]

Don't get me wrong, the US establishment is going to make nice with India but they've drawn the line on women's issues. They're not going to back down on this issue.

This is the CT, not the revelation of the attempt by the US to recruit Ms. DK. The US has learnt in the process that India has also drawn some lines and it is unwise to step on them.

[SSridhar]

SSridharji, on the very first day that angle came up with many posters alluding to it and a possible reason for the vindictive treatment, maybe Mr. Bhadrakumar has more detail, haven't read his article yet.

Thanks.

[vasu raya]

As far as my CT goes, their agency probably had plans to do a Morsi (of Egypt) out of Modi should he win the election

[sanjaykumar]

Women's issues. Is this for real?