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how are muslims being targeted.

when halal meat has been sanctified by koranic fiat, why should non muslims be forced to consume the same.

don't the other communities have their own methods of slaughter, which are culturally compatible and in tune with their own practices for their own community's consumption, why should anyone feel targeted or is that too taking too unsecular a view to suit the muslim's sensibilities

at this rate, soon roads and vehicles may also come to be labelled halal, just to suit someone's religious fancy or simply to extend the roper's economic hegemony over the whole of India



Christian groups in Kerala call for boycott of Halal meat ahead of Christmas, IUML claims Muslims being targeted

Christian groups in Kerala call for boycott of Halal meat ahead of Christmas, IUML claims Muslims being targeted

Kochi based Christian group Church's Auxiliary for Social Action (CASA) has urged Christians not to buy Halal food anymore. Hindu groups also extended their support for the call to boycott Halal meat stating that they are forced to sell Halal meat in the state.

15 December, 2020
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Christians groups boycott Halal meat in Kerala

Christians in Kerala have reportedly decided to boycott Halal meat ahead of Christmas. According to Times Now, Kochi based Christian group Church’s Auxiliary for Social Action (CASA) has urged Christians not to buy Halal food anymore. Hindu groups also extended their support for the call to boycott stating that they are forced to sell Halal meat in the state.

Halal meat controversy erupts in Kerala.

Listen in to reactions.

Details by Vivek K. pic.twitter.com/Xjf6REqdQ0

— TIMES NOW (@TimesNow) December 15, 2020
The Indian Union Muslim League has termed the campaign against Halal meat as a controversy to target the Muslims. The CASA has announced that Christians will be holding protests few days before Christmas. For the protest, they are planning to pool in money for buying and cutting the animals in non-halal manner to opposed halal meat.

The Christians are reportedly saying that they cannot consume meat that is prepared in a manner that goes against their religious sentiments. Christians groups in the state said that they are being forced to sell as well as buy halal meat in the state and therefore they have decided to raise voice against it.

According to Times Now, a Muslim League leader based in Malappuram said that the anti-halal campaign was an attempt to create division among people. The leader said that everyone had a right to choose what kind of meat they want to buy and from where they want to buy it.

What is Halal meat?

Halal can only be performed by a Muslim man. Thus, non-Muslims are automatically denied employment at a Halal firm. There are certain other conditions that must be fulfilled that makes it quite clear that it is intrinsically an Islamic practice.

Guidelines are available at the official website of a certification authority of Halal in India which makes it clear that non-Muslim employees cannot be employed in any part of the slaughtering process. The guidelines of the certification authority of Halal in India expressly mention that people employed to carry out the process of Halal must be Muslims. The guidelines clearly mention that animals slaughtered by a non-Muslim will not be Halal.
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Tanaji wrote:
If you notice the language they talk about fateh and 6 month provisions. I wonder what happens if they decide to block all roads which would be the next logical progression...

... GoI has not managed to break away any faction yet and IMHO it will not be possible as this is a matter of face for the farmers....

... No purchase beyond Punjab Haryana is right, but for the farmers it is a matter of honour. They won’t budge, especially with the likes of Kejriwal and YoYa pouring oil in the flames...
And I think the zamindars have started farming the medians to grow herbs and carrots and other things. So not sure if they mentioned the 6 months as bravado or they just got rice from the last season as supplies.

GOI should not care a whit about the honour and dignity of the protesting zamindars, their assorted hangers-on and the mislead farmers. GOI can of course have education camps where they come and educate what farm policy means and talk about success stories. Remaining time let the zamindars, their assorted hangers-on and the mislead farmers soak themselves in the winter and later in the summer if need be.

Particularly after the commies took over and started talking about murdering a constitutional elected PM of the nation, they can go wherever they want to.

And further, the government did offer amendments and also promised MSP in writing and they rejected it! So now the ball is in their court.

Last heard they have toilet and sanitation problems. And the good part is that the air quality of Delhi will improve with all the vehicles not plying around.

BTW, let the SC come down with the strictures on where the farmers can protest. Once SC decides, GOI can use that and evict the farmers forcibly if needed.

And also if Delhi is suffering, they can call up Kejru and provide their feedback. He actually welcomed them and said he will be a gracious host. He did not even set appropriate toilets.
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Ambar wrote:They have already agreed to most of the demands by the Punjab farmers, besides the Punjab govt has stated they will not allow these farm bills to take effect in their state, so it is now just pure politics for one upmanship.
The Punjab state law will not get passed and even Capt. A Singh and the so called 'broker/farmers' know that. That is because no state law can be repugnant to a central law. No state can pass a law nullifying a centrally passed law. If they need to do that it needs to get approval from President of India.
Sadly after standing ground on CAA and fighting countless battles within and outside the country on countering the false narrative against CAA the government is yet to create rules.
A. Shah says the rules would be framed after the COVID-19 situation is brought under control. But to be honest; I now feel that CAA was more of a 'theatrics' scheme more than any thing which actually benefits non-Muslims running into India for safety.
Suraj wrote:Personally after a first read, I see very little dilution of the laws in their intent. The amendment proposes that a) states can make laws on who is a registered buyer and b) states can define taxes to ensure a level playing field between their own APMC and private buyer.
Exactly. So in case of Punjab the 'brokers' who seems to be holding high political power can play a nasty game by NOT registering any other entity, and also set a very high tax/duty scheme which will make the life of new entrants miserable. But on the other hand GoI can work with other state governments and encourage private players to enter the markets in those states. If UP & Bihar farmers get a better price for their produce from private players operating locally, the Punjabi 'brokers' may not get the rice & wheat from other states. GoI can still win if it can ensure that rice & wheat farmers across Northern India are NOT at the mercy of the 'broker farmers' of Punjab. GoI also perhaps can relook at the procurement policy and try procuring the grains from other states and not exclusively from Punjab. The only negative aspect would be that Punjab is a border state, and earlier instances of terrorism there.
IndraD wrote:No wonder poor farmers of Bihar and UP are forced to sell their paddy through traders in Punjab’s mandis.
Looks like there are also not many local purchasers in Bihar & UP. GoI and the state governments can incentivise private players to start procuring rice from these states. This will also start working against the monopoly of Punjab in this business. This is my gut feeling; the 'farmer brokers' of Punjab are really worried that their monopoly comes to an end when the rule allow more players to enter the market. More players, more the bargaining powers of the farmers of UP & Bihar.
disha wrote:BTW, let the SC come down with the strictures on where the farmers can protest. Once SC decides, GOI can use that and evict the farmers forcibly if needed.
I don't think any one has approached the SC (or any other court yet). Even GoI has not approached the judiciary, which gives me an indication that they have other action items in mind.
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# farmers protest dec 2020 anti-mask anti-5g placards
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Sachin wrote:
disha wrote:BTW, let the SC come down with the strictures on where the farmers can protest. Once SC decides, GOI can use that and evict the farmers forcibly if needed.
I don't think any one has approached the SC (or any other court yet). Even GoI has not approached the judiciary, which gives me an indication that they have other action items in mind.
FYI https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... q60AP.html
The Supreme Court will on Wednesday hear a petition seeking removal of the farmers protesting against the Centre’s farm laws from Delhi borders.

The farmers have been protesting at Singhu and other border points of Delhi since November 26 seeking the repeal of the three laws passed in September.

The petition has been filed by law student Rishabh Sharma and will be heard by a bench of Chief Justice S A Bobde, justice A S Bopanna and Justice V Ramasubramanian. Sharma has said in his petition that commuters are facing hardships due to the road blockades and the gatherings might lead to an increase in the number of Covid-19 cases.
Rest is in the URL above.

On the CAA, more than political posturing, it led to several cockroaches coming out of the woodwork. At the same time WB and Assam state elections are due in 2021. Will this lead to more cockroaches coming out of woodwork?

https://www.opindia.com/2020/12/saudi-a ... ack-india/
Saudi Arabia has deported a large number of NRIs living in the country for mobilising protests against the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) enacted by the government of India and the National Register of Citizens recently updated in Assam, reported Middle East Monitor.

As per reports, several Indians, inspired by Islamist Shaheen Bagh protests, tried to pull off a demonstration against the Modi government for the enactment of CAA and the proposal to implement the National Register of Citizens (NRC) across India. They had held placards to demand the repealing of the humanitarian act. However, the ‘protestors’ were arrested and deported back to India as the Gulf State prohibits assembly or public demonstration of any form.
BJP politico priming WB for CAA

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/c ... 2020-12-10

And here Assam in play

https://indianexpress.com/article/opini ... -politics/

Yes, CAA will be notified at an appropriate time.
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All of a sudden Kejriwal has shifted focus to UP for 2022 ( campaign on free bijli free pani & free world class schools), when he stands a much better chance in Punjab where elections are due in the same year, any inputs on why this 180 degree turn?
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Sachin wrote:
Ambar wrote:They have already agreed to most of the demands by the Punjab farmers, besides the Punjab govt has stated they will not allow these farm bills to take effect in their state, so it is now just pure politics for one upmanship.
The Punjab state law will not get passed and even Capt. A Singh and the so called 'broker/farmers' know that. That is because no state law can be repugnant to a central law. No state can pass a law nullifying a centrally passed law. If they need to do that it needs to get approval from President of India.
Sadly after standing ground on CAA and fighting countless battles within and outside the country on countering the false narrative against CAA the government is yet to create rules.
A. Shah says the rules would be framed after the COVID-19 situation is brought under control. But to be honest; I now feel that CAA was more of a 'theatrics' scheme more than any thing which actually benefits non-Muslims running into India for safety.
Suraj wrote:Personally after a first read, I see very little dilution of the laws in their intent. The amendment proposes that a) states can make laws on who is a registered buyer and b) states can define taxes to ensure a level playing field between their own APMC and private buyer.
Exactly. So in case of Punjab the 'brokers' who seems to be holding high political power can play a nasty game by NOT registering any other entity, and also set a very high tax/duty scheme which will make the life of new entrants miserable. But on the other hand GoI can work with other state governments and encourage private players to enter the markets in those states. If UP & Bihar farmers get a better price for their produce from private players operating locally, the Punjabi 'brokers' may not get the rice & wheat from other states. GoI can still win if it can ensure that rice & wheat farmers across Northern India are NOT at the mercy of the 'broker farmers' of Punjab. GoI also perhaps can relook at the procurement policy and try procuring the grains from other states and not exclusively from Punjab. The only negative aspect would be that Punjab is a border state, and earlier instances of terrorism there.
IndraD wrote:No wonder poor farmers of Bihar and UP are forced to sell their paddy through traders in Punjab’s mandis.
Looks like there are also not many local purchasers in Bihar & UP. GoI and the state governments can incentivise private players to start procuring rice from these states. This will also start working against the monopoly of Punjab in this business. This is my gut feeling; the 'farmer brokers' of Punjab are really worried that their monopoly comes to an end when the rule allow more players to enter the market. More players, more the bargaining powers of the farmers of UP & Bihar.
disha wrote:BTW, let the SC come down with the strictures on where the farmers can protest. Once SC decides, GOI can use that and evict the farmers forcibly if needed.
I don't think any one has approached the SC (or any other court yet). Even GoI has not approached the judiciary, which gives me an indication that they have other action items in mind.
A few things:
Being an agricultural trader requires deep knowledge of agriculture, for ex: how to calculate moisture content, figuring out the variety of grain brought to you etc. Its not only about procuring produce and transferring money. So its not something that the government can incentivise and hope it happens elsewhere.

The corporate players are unlikely to completely take over the entire chain. They will probably use portions of the existing chain which will almost certainly include current trading community. It would be unreasonable to expect white collar workers to navigate the circumstances of rural India that they are not used to.

The change will be in comission levels. Before GST it was 14.5%. Now it is 8% and after these laws it is expected to be 2.5-3%.
Also the laws may affect other aspects of the chain. For example, rice sheller. Currently they are located close to production. A corporate firm may choose to move them where costs are lower or there may be a fear of them being asked to do so. This obviously affects trader, sheller etc as he may not be willing to move to a state where he does not understand the local environment ( business or political ).

It is in a state's interest not to impose fees similar to APMC on private mandi's. If a fees is imposed, it would make other states not having such fees more competitive. As it is the cost of doing business in PB and Haryana are very high. So the state would loose GST if procurement moves elsewhere and the farmers of north western India might have to transport their produce elsewhere too.

Btw, there is no such thing as 'farmer broker'. They are two entirely different trades and communities. The agricultural broker is almost always a Hindu( 90% ) and most likely of a particular community. Not that it matters bit these laws will weaken BJP's votebank in this community too.
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ManSingh wrote: Btw, there is no such thing as 'farmer broker'. They are two entirely different trades and communities. The agricultural broker is almost always a Hindu( 90% ) and most likely of a particular community. Not that it matters bit these laws will weaken BJP's votebank in this community too.
Yes. The demonitization almost made Modi loose election in 2019. He had to settle @300+ instead and count his blessings.
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darshan wrote:
ManSingh wrote: Btw, there is no such thing as 'farmer broker'. They are two entirely different trades and communities. The agricultural broker is almost always a Hindu( 90% ) and most likely of a particular community. Not that it matters bit these laws will weaken BJP's votebank in this community too.
Yes. The demonitization almost made Modi loose election in 2019. He had to settle @300+ instead and count his blessings.
My point was specific to a community in Punjab as a BJP votebank (possibly Haryana too) and to the electoral impact in that state. BJP has a very limited votebank in that state. It does not extrapolate to every scenario across the country.
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Gujarat Congress farmers wing leaders join highway blockade agitation in Delhi
https://www.deshgujarat.com/2020/12/16/ ... -in-delhi/
Gandhinagar: The agitation against the new farm laws has been limited to Punjab and some Congress party influenced portion of Haryana. The eco-system involved in this agitation wants to give it a national outlook, at least in perception. However the major idea in this direction failed recently with hardly any takers of ‘Bharat Bandh’ call. In almost all the states, the bandh call failed to evoke response. The next plan of the eco-system is about movements of cadres from various states to highway blockade agitation venues in Delhi. So from Gujarat, Congress party’s farmers wing leader Pal Ambaliya and others have reached Delhi. A meeting was held today to chalk out further plans on how to rope in more persons from Gujarat in order to show representation of the State and give outlook to Punjab agitation as the national one. Accordingly, taluka wise targets have been given. However the target is very modest as of now
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IndraD wrote:All of a sudden Kejriwal has shifted focus to UP for 2022 ( campaign on free bijli free pani & free world class schools), when he stands a much better chance in Punjab where elections are due in the same year, any inputs on why this 180 degree turn?
They have enough money flowing in from their western benefactors & islamists, so they will keep fighting elections. AAP's goal is to bag a proper state and expand beyond the city-state they currently hold. After all the promises made in the early days their manifesto now has been reduced to promising two things "free electricity, free water". Unfortunately this seems to be more than sufficient for them to keep winning Delhi albeit with lower margins. In the recently concluded Goa ZP polls they won 1 and lost deposit on 28 seats.
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ManSingh wrote:The corporate players are unlikely to completely take over the entire chain. They will probably use portions of the existing chain which will almost certainly include current trading community.
Which I feel is very much acceptable. At least the intention of my post was to say that purchase of agriculture produce cannot be monopolised by a state or communities (be it Hindu or other wise). The private parties may not be able to put the white collar 'managers' to do the procurement, but they can utilise the services of small time traders across India.
Btw, there is no such thing as 'farmer broker'.
I meant that to refer to the Arhatiya folks who are actually acting like the poor tiller/farmer pushing the oxen to plough the land, where as they are just rich land lords and brokers who have made a fortune exploiting the poor and landless. That is; the current set of folks causing L&O issues in New Delhi :).
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IndraD wrote:All of a sudden Kejriwal has shifted focus to UP for 2022 ( campaign on free bijli free pani & free world class schools), when he stands a much better chance in Punjab where elections are due in the same year, any inputs on why this 180 degree turn?

by hook or by crook, he is looking for national party status just like owasi is
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IndraD wrote:All of a sudden Kejriwal has shifted focus to UP for 2022 ( campaign on free bijli free pani & free world class schools), when he stands a much better chance in Punjab where elections are due in the same year, any inputs on why this 180 degree turn?
I think this has to do with his narcissistic personality. He has till now successfully defended against a local strong man rising through the party ranks to challenge his hold.

Bhagwant Mann is strong in some rural pockets of Punjab but he can't win the state. He did not allow Navjot Sidhu into AAP or gradually build mid-level leaders across urban Punjab(~50% of the state). This would have made AAP a very formidable challenger in the state but would also threaten his position in AAP.

He probably wants to play a kingmaker in U.P. Maybe I am wrong but I don't see any way in which AAP can mount any serious challenge across state as large as U.P. Of course if it comes down to a hung assembly, his few MLA's might make him king maker( power broker ). Kejriwal as a king maker of a large state would make him much more powerful than an actual CM from his own party.

Overall, he is playing a very negative role if he thinks along the above lines.
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What kind of demand is this

Punjab "farmer unions" or in reality they are the "commission agent (arhatiya) unions" demand that govt should not hold parallel talks with unions in other states!

So farmers from all other states must take orders from one state

Doesn't sound very democratic to me. :mrgreen:




Stop holding parallel talks with farmer bodies from other states, Punjab unions tell govt



Stop holding parallel talks with farmer bodies from other states, Punjab unions tell govt

In a letter to the Centre, Sanyukt Kisan Morcha said it should also stop defaming the ongoing protests being held at several Delhi border points against the three farm laws.

16 December, 2020

New Delhi: An umbrella body of 40 farmer unions protesting against the new agri laws wrote to the Centre on Wednesday, asking it to stop holding “parallel talks” with other farmer bodies over the contentious legislations.

The letter by ‘Sanyukt Kisan Morcha’, which represents farmer bodies mostly from Punjab, comes against the backdrop of the government holding talks with several farmers organisations from different states who the Centre claimed have extended their support to the new agriculture laws.

In a letter to Union Agriculture and Farmers’ Welfare Joint Secretary Vivek Aggarwal, the Morcha said the Centre should also stop “defaming” the ongoing protests being held at several Delhi border points against the three farm laws.

“We want the government to stop defaming farmers’ agitation and holding parallel talks with other farmers’ organisations,” said Darshan Pal, a member of the ‘Sankyukt Kisan Morcha’, in his letter written in Hindi.


In his letter, Pal has also recorded in writing the farmer unions’ decision to reject a recent government proposal of amendments in the new laws.

“In reference to the proposal (dated December 9) and your (Agarwal) letter, we want to inform the government that farmer organisations held a joint meeting to discuss the proposal on the same day and rejected it,” he said.

“We had already made our stand clear in previous talks (with the government) that’s why we did not send a written reply earlier,” Pal said.
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IndraD wrote:All of a sudden Kejriwal has shifted focus to UP for 2022 ( campaign on free bijli free pani & free world class schools), when he stands a much better chance in Punjab where elections are due in the same year, any inputs on why this 180 degree turn?
Probably he has reached some understanding with Congress, and so has decided to focus on UP instead of Punjab. They do not want to undercut each other in Punjab.
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How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India



How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

by Prof. Vidhu Shekhar
Dec 16, 2020


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Indian labourers go about their business around sacks of onions at the APMC yard in Bangalore.


How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

The most common reasons cited for farmer suicides in India relate to debt burdens of farmers and vagaries of farming.

And it is the middleman, who invests nothing, but profiteers from the farmer’s helplessness and absolutist erstwhile laws, that must be eliminated from the picture.

The corroding nature of Agricultural Produce Market Committee’s (APMC's) monopoly on Indian farming is well known. However, it's more sinister impact on farmers — that they were directly responsible for farmer suicides — is not that well known.

APMC monopoly, and the middlemen — by eating away almost all the farmers' margin — made farming a low-profit business in India, effectively bankrupting the marginal farmers. Illusionary profit margins pushed farmers into a debt trap that they could not get out of, thereby leading to the suicides of marginal farmers.

The evidence of a strong relationship between farmer suicides and APMC monopoly is reflected in data on fruits and vegetable delisting from APMCs, which immediately reduced suicides where, and when, implemented.

State after state, the data presents the same conclusion — that freeing fruits and vegetables from APMC clutches led to improved margin, better higher profitability, and therefore, fewer suicides. Some states like Uttarakhand almost eliminated the curse of farmer suicides post this delisting. As starkly, in Delhi, which in September 2014 ceased APMC regulations outside mandi yard, saw farmer suicides reduced to zero immediately and has maintained the same since then.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's APMC reforms have the potential of wiping out the stigma of farmer suicides in India. It is a blessed and bold reform and must not be repealed.

We discuss in detail these issues in the current article.

The Blind Spot Of Indian Agricultural Economists

That APMC monopoly and farmer suicides are linked closely together should appear as evident — the monopoly is well known to eat a large chunk of margin from the farmer's produce, making farming a low profitability business in India. It is also commonly argued that farmer suicides occur in India because farming is not a profitable business.

Together, both reasonings shape up a strong causal link between two of the largest and most discussed agriculture and farming issues in India.

Given the long history of these two problems, one would expect a fair amount of scrutiny in exploring the relationship between the two. Surprisingly though, this relation remains mostly unexplored — almost as if the connection is a blind spot for India's agricultural economists.

The Immediate vs the Structural Cause of Farmer Suicides

The most common reasons cited for farmer suicides in India relate to debt burdens of farmers and vagaries of farming (i.e., crop failure due to one or the other reason). Financial analysts will argue that debt is not a problem in itself, but the lack of profits to sustain the debt leads to the debt burden. Indeed, low-margin businesses are at constant risk of debt burden.

Further, the inability to absorb any adverse impact on the business in an uncertain world can quickly wipe out the margins and lead the business towards bankruptcy. Good margins also save businesses from 'rainy days' as they provide a buffer to absorb the vagaries of a business. It also leads to the accumulation of savings, which can then be used to sustain the business in difficult times.

Low-margin business does not get any of these benefits. Most of the structurally low-margin businesses rarely can get good debt financing.

So, while the immediate or the material cause of farmer suicides can vary from debt burden to crop failures, the structural or the efficient cause of farmer suicides remains the low margins they get on their produce.

The Death Trap of APMC Monopoly

How much margins do the APMC middlemen eat away? Anecdotally, a recent interview by NDTV of farmers elicited the response that post-2020 reforms, they were getting Rs. 12/kg vs Rs. 3-4 per kg from the same produce in APMCs. The interview implies that APMCs take away 65 per cent of the overall sale value — on profit margins the share would be even higher.

It is here that the sinister nature of the APMC monopoly becomes more apparent.

For more concrete numbers, we refer to Figure 1, which represents the overall margin chain in the Indian farming business based on a 2011 survey.

The lowest tier of small/marginal farmers gets less than 10 per cent of the whole value chain's available margins. Indian farming is possibly one of those very few businesses where the traders/middlemen make more margins than the producers themselves.

Further, the perishable nature of food items gives the middlemen extra leverage to negotiate with the farmers. Just by delaying the purchase, it can push farmers in the corner to take up the produce at almost rock bottom prices.

Not only is the farmer cheated, end users also get worse off quality than they could. Typically, the larger farmer doubles up as the village level trader. They then make margins not only on their produce but on smaller farmers' produce as well.

How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

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But the sinister-ness is not limited to just taking away the margins from small farmers. By accumulating these earnings over time, the middlemen — who don't have any cost attached to them but earn a large profit — thereby build substantial monetary savings for themselves.

Anecdotally, these middlemen also double up as money lenders/working capital providers to the farmers themselves. In effect, they lend the money they have made from farmers back to the farmers, and earn interest on that too.

A very very sinister hold they have on the marginal farmers.

Functioning really on the margins, such small farmers are thus overly exposed to any vagaries that they might encounter in their work. With no savings to fall back upon, and neither a healthy cash flow that can weather the impact of vagaries of doing farming, small farmers function under extreme duress and stress.

And if such vagaries act up, they are often left with no options but to take their lives. Death may sound more attractive than to continually deal with the tensions of working in a business that hardly provides any money, despite all efforts.

And all this is backed by the laws of the land. In the existing APMC laws, the farmers cannot get away from the clutches, even if they want to. Such exploitation of farmers is promoted by law by explicitly making them not do business with anybody else other than the designated set of persons in the designated area. Having such unfettered protection of the law, intermediaries work with high impunity.

More than anything else, it is the monopolistic nature of the APMCs that promote such practices. It is shocking to think that laws of this kind have been sustained in the modern world.

Ineffectiveness of piecemeal reforms in APMC laws and data that strongly points to APMC link to farmer suicides

While not going the whole leg and repealing the APMC monopoly, several governments have done piecemeal reforms of APMC laws over time. Further, none of these reforms solve the crux of the problem — middlemen and their monopoly. They underestimated the cartels' vested interests and power, earning thousands of crores of rupees without undertaking any risk, production, storage, or otherwise.

These cartels were several times able to pressurize states to make the reforms ineffective — either by scuttling the legislation itself or, if legislated, then making sure that it is not notified. And if notified, then making sure it is not implemented one way or the other.

As an example, take the case of the reform of setting up private markets. If we got through the reform history, we find that in several states where it was legislated, it was not notified for a long time. Post notification, some states did not issue new licenses to private players, effectively not implementing the legislation. Of those that did issue the licenses, several were taken up by a member of the existing cartel themselves.

In effect, the story continued unhindered despite reforms.

One reform, though, that was able to circumvent the APMC monopoly completely was the delisting of fruits and vegetables. The delisting did not prevent farmers from selling them in APMCs, but gave them the freedom to sell anywhere they desired. That farmers had a choice immediately led to the market forces working in their favour.

While most fruits and vegetables were still sold by the farmers in APMCs, the threat of losing business due to low realizations to farmers led the middlemen to share better margins with the producers.

The reform — wherever enacted well, at whatever time, immediately led to a drastic fall in farmer suicides — clearly indicating that their margins improved and their destituteness decreased.

Figure 2 shows the graph of farmer suicides for several states, and the fall immediately after the reform is well apparent. The data is evident in showing the impact of ending the monopoly of APMCs in purchasing farmer produce.

There is a fall in suicide numbers across the board. Some states like Uttarakhand, Meghalaya, Odisha, and even Rajasthan were able to almost completely overcome the farmer suicide problem.

Delhi is the starkest example. It enacted a law very similar to the current 2020 reform wherein APMC regulations were only limited to market yards. Thus, the farmers were free to sell outside the yards at whatever margins and terms they could get with buyers.

Post-September 2014, when the law was notified, Delhi has witnessed zero suicides to date. This may well become the future of India as well if the APMC reforms 2020 are well implemented.

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Figure 2: Yearly Farmer Suicides and Impact of Fruits and Vegetable delisting from APMC

How APMC Monopoly Is The Core Reason For Farmer Suicides In India

Concluding remarks


The current conventional thinking holds inflation cooling as the primary and direct impact of APMC reforms. The inflation cooling will occur if and when the margin benefits are passed by retailers/value chain to the end customer. That is a second-level impact and may happen in due course of time.

The immediate impact, though, occurs via redistribution of margins within the value chain to the benefit of farmers, especially the marginal farmers.

As they start getting a better realisation of their produce, their destitution may vanish. We get farmers who are paid well for their work, rather than a farmer earning meager income and continually dealing with the fear of debt trap leading to suicide.

Does the APMCs serve any purpose at all? If you will notice, the article has continuously talked about APMC monopoly rather than APMCs in themselves. It is the monopolistic character of APMCs that is the problem.

APMCs themselves, working as a large central market and with the infrastructure involved such as wholesale infrastructure, warehousing, crop insurance, cold storage, etc are the strength they have to serve the farmers.

But the monopolistic character takes away all the benefits. The monopolistic nature also prevents the agriculture value chain from modernising beyond what is provided by APMCs, thereby self-limiting agricultural value chain development. This is beyond the impact of the middlemen paraphernalia that comes with APMCs' monopoly.

Destroying this monopoly is the key, rather than disbanding APMCs themselves. The Bihar experience serves as an example. It abolished the APMC Act in 2006. With APMCs gone, most of its infrastructure also became defunct. Owing to Bihar being the single state with such an arrangement, private players may not have had enough incentive to establish their infrastructure.

This broke the agriculture supply chain badly. Moreover, we did not see a reduction in farmer suicides. Rather, a marginal increase is observed after 2006. In 2013, Bihar revived its APMCs, but sans the earlier monopoly of forcing farmers to sell via them only. With infrastructure now available via APMCs bereft of monopoly, farmer suicides in Bihar quickly dived and subsequently reduced to zero and have stayed so for the last few years.

This is also very similar to the fruits and vegetable delisting experience, which removed the monopoly of the APMCs on buying the produce, but APMCs with their infrastructure were still available.

Removing the monopoly ensures that farmers obtain free market access, thereby giving them better leverage in selling their produce and helping them on margins. This impact holds even if most of the trade still happens in APMC mandis. All other effects subsequently follow.

The current APMC reforms by Prime Minister Modi's government has not only met 20+ years of the need for the reform, it has also shown a vision in not disbanding the APMCs but removing their monopoly.

This presents the best solution possible wherein existing infrastructure is maintained, and at the same time, unleashes the good power of the market for the farmers.

The impact of this reform will be long-standing, and might carry India away from the stigma of farmer suicides within a year. It is a much-awaited vision and blessed reform and must not be repealed at any cost.

(The author would like to acknowledge the efforts of Rajat Mital and Rishi Sabarigirisan, second-year MBA students of SPJIMR, for their help in data collection for the article).

Dr. Vidhu Shekhar, an ex-Investment Banker and Hedge Fund analyst, is currently Assistant Professor of Finance and Associate Head of Centre for Financial Studies at SPJIMR, Mumbai. He is Ph.D (Economics) from IIM Calcutta, MBA (2006) also from IIM Calcutta, and B.Tech (2004) from IIT Kharagpur.
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Why would India help Israel establish diplomatic links with Bhutan? Have we learnt nothing from history. As it is this group is forming enclaves in Uttarakhand and neighboring mountain zones. We all know what happened when they last formed enclaves. We all also know what some trade deals 300 years ago with a trading company led too.
I find the latest dispensations proximity to Israel at a military and strategic level to be very problematic.
It is a one sided love affair. Culturally they have been attacking us globally and view us as a threat. We need to be balanced and objective.
This mindset is problematic.

And boy oh boy is the right wing media deluded
This one is drawing on the butterfly effect so somehow connect this move to an anti China

https://swarajyamag.com/world/explained ... -for-china

All their factories and investments are in China. One of their Mahants created that strategic pact with China.

This shows us how rapidly they can create and legitimize a country. We should be worried.
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"In 1947 farmers along with rest of the India got independence, in 2020 Mr. @narendramodi gave us liberty": says an actual farmer.
WATCH Video

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And in the continuing saga of butt-hurt,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -protests/


My people laugh at tyrants.

Punjabis today say, “When Alexander the Great attempted to invade, Punjab sent him packing. What’s a Modi to an Alexander the Great?”

For Sikhs, dissent against oppression is nothing new. We resisted the Mughals for 300 years. We birthed a global resistance against colonial British rule, including one that stretched from the fields of Northern California to the villages of Punjab, called the Ghadar Movement. My parents’ generation survived the 1984 Sikh genocide and the decade of state-sponsored violence and extrajudicial killings that followed.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi now joins the long historical list of tyrants Punjab has taken on.

In September, Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) hastily passed three farm bills, with the stated intent of liberalizing the country’s agrarian sector. Farmers see these bills as a ploy to hand over the sector to Modi’s billionaire supporters, such as Mukesh Ambani and Gautam Adani. On Nov. 25, tens of thousands of Punjabi farmers and farmworkers began marching towards the country’s capital, New Delhi. As they peacefully crossed into neighboring Haryana, they were met with tear gas, water cannons, police batons and road barriers. Now, as winter sets in, not even a bitter, bone-chewing cold has stopped a million protesters from planting their feet at Delhi’s borders.

My aunt, like most members of my family in Punjab, is a small-scale farmer. More than half of India’s workforce is in farming, with 85 percent of farmers owning less than five acres. “They can try to take everything we have, they’ve tried before,” my aunt told us over the phone weeks ago; She had just returned from a protest in her village, “But our spirit will never extinguish.”

Punjab’s tradition of resilient defiance is on full display, and it is a sight to behold.

Protesters have traveled hundreds of miles by bicycle and tractor, many saying they’re prepared to stay for at least six months if they have to. The resistance is intersectional; Mazdoors, landless farm laborers, and members of the Dalit community who have long faced systemic caste-based discrimination are present. Women are leading the way. Farmers from neighboring states such as Haryana, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh have joined. Protesters from ages 7 to 90 rise from their makeshift beds as the morning cold continues to bite; some protesters are dying of the cold. Those marching are singing spiritual kirtan. Menstrual products are being freely distributed, and efforts to feed the poor in surrounding areas are currently underway.People gather to cut vegetables for langar (the Sikh practice of making and serving free meals). The community has set up blood donation clinics, gyms and book distributions. Through music and poetic verse, protesters call out the Modi government and India’s corporate billionaires.

This protest is beginning to look more and more like a revolution. It has the Indian government shaking. But many of us watching the protests know the ugly reality for minorities in Modi’s India and what happens when they speak up against mistreatment.

Human rights violations have followed Modi his entire political career. He is a lifelong member of the RSS, a right-wing paramilitary Hindu nationalist organization that seeks to turn India into a Hindutva state. In 2005, Modi was banned from entering the United States and Europe for his involvement in the mass murders of 2,000 people, mostly Muslims, during the 2002 Gujarat pogroms, during which he served as the state’s chief minister.

When Kashmiris speak up about their struggles, the government and its propagandist media labels them “terrorists.” When Muslims speak up, they’re labeled “terrorists.” When Sikhs speak up, we’re labeled “terrorists.” Minorities, intellectuals, student leaders and journalists are labeled “anti-nationals” and can be jailed under false allegations for not toeing the state’s line.

The Punjabi diaspora has come out in full force, supporting the current protests with packed rallies throughout the world to amplify farmer’s voices. On Dec. 5, I went to a car rally that spanned 18 miles in Toronto. In San Francisco, thousands of cars took over the Bay Bridge and caravanned towards the Indian Consulate.

As friends and relatives of those currently protesting in Delhi, we are worried about the potential for retribution the farmers will face. Sikhs are venerated when we die for others but are demonized when we stand up for ourselves. Since the farmers started marching to New Delhi, pro-Modi segments of the Indian media have gone into overdrive, labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists and anti-nationals. Thus, it becomes imperative that the international press shows the world what is happening to peaceful protesters and makes an effort to amplify their voices.

Dissent is on its last leg in India. Any hope to restore it is tied to the fate of this farmers’ protest. Their resistance acts as a last line of defense against a government-backed corporate takeover. An elderly protester recently said, “We have faced bigger tyrants than Modi. As long as there is breath in our lungs, we will keep fighting.”

The ultimatum is clear.

Peace and justice for all minorities, or division and polarization?

Democracy or majoritarianism?

Farmers or Modi?

Pick your side.

I’ve chosen mine.





Just one question Ms Kaur, do your people include Mazhabis, or would you honour kill your daughter for marrying one?
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Punjabis today say, “When Alexander the Great attempted to invade, Punjab sent him packing. What’s a Modi to an Alexander the Great?”

For Sikhs, dissent against oppression is nothing new. We resisted the Mughals for 300 years. We birthed a global resistance against colonial British rule, including one that stretched from the fields of Northern California to the villages of Punjab, called the Ghadar Movement. My parents’ generation survived the 1984 Sikh genocide and the decade of state-sponsored violence and extrajudicial killings that followed.
I've seen this kind of talk from people around that part of the world. Pakis say this. Afghans say this. Reality is they were both attacked, invaded, converted and culturally denuded and turned into slaves of the Arabs. Afghans were taken over by the Soviets, and then the Talibs. Punjabis on our side who say this also were under various kinds of subjugation from foreign powers.
What is all this "we beat so and so" or "no one has ruled us"? These seem to be H&D boosting devices.
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And as a Punjabi, yes my ancestors fought Alexander. I don’t know if Sikhs fought along side them.

It’s such views that have led ‘her people’ from being super citizens to being viewed as ‘terrorists’ as she puts it.

It’s quite a fall. Totally unnecessary. I am sure it can be reversed. However their competition is no longer literally starving Indians. The competitive is stiff. Actually it is formidable. But they need to make Panjab attractive for manufacturing, for services and skills. It’s barely out of the 1960s with massive subsidies for crops that either rot or go into storage.


Some get offended when I state the obvious: Panjab needs 21 st century skills. government subsidies are holding it back by making agriculture low risk.
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This is such a low grade article - points more towards the agenda and lack of quality of washingtonpost editorial board. Am amazed at the total crap they allow to be published in opinion columns.

It is strange that most of the articles are also conflating Punjab with Sikhs. Are there no non-sikh farmers in all of Punjab?
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Always funny to see WaPo, owned by a billionaire who quashes employee rights like they're bubble wraps, post articles about supposed "Democracy or majoritarianism?" and how billionaires are looting poor farmers :rotfl:
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Yayavar wrote:This is such a low grade article - points more towards the agenda and lack of quality of washingtonpost editorial board. Am amazed at the total crap they allow to be published in opinion columns.

It is strange that most of the articles are also conflating Punjab with Sikhs. Are there no non-sikh farmers in all of Punjab?
what I really do not understand is "majoritarianism" and how it is not democracy

We have free and fair elections, someone wins and someone else loses.

democracy is the rule of the majority.

deracinated, colonial remnant, mentally retarded wokes make it sound like a bad word.
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sanjaykumar wrote:And as a Punjabi, yes my ancestors fought Alexander. I don’t know if Sikhs fought along side them.

It’s such views that have led ‘her people’ from being super citizens to being viewed as ‘terrorists’ as she puts it.

It’s quite a fall. Totally unnecessary. I am sure it can be reversed. However their competition is no longer literally starving Indians. The competitive is stiff. Actually it is formidable. But they need to make Panjab attractive for manufacturing, for services and skills. It’s barely out of the 1960s with massive subsidies for crops that either rot or go into storage.


Some get offended when I state the obvious: Panjab needs 21 st century skills. government subsidies are holding it back by making agriculture low risk.
Alexander was in BC. Sikh history can be traced back to 15th century AD.

Punjab had a manufacturing industry. Faridabad went to Haryana in 1966 thereby taking the manufacturing with it. Even now Faridabad is mainly punjabi speaking.
There are other competitive disadvantages as well. The distance to ports makes it extremely unattractive to industry. There was a freight equalization act to take care of this. It ended in 1993.

My former boss worked in tri-city area( Mohali ) for contract design work for a Taiwanese electronic manufacturer. That project ended with op prakaram due to distance to the border with an overhang of a nuclear war. No large services firm will invest their regional HQ when distance to the border is less than 200KM.

The WaPo article is trash, I agree. Your points are also very far from reality. There is no lack of skills with the number of higher educational colleges. Ultimately what happens at the end of such education is a migration from Punjab to either other parts of India or US, UK, Canada etc. Those that remain fall into an endless cycle of depression or jobs that do not any way match their skill levels.

There is a reason why migration is so popular in that part of the country.
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chetak wrote:[
what I really do not understand is "majoritarianism" and how it is not democracy
Majoritarianism is a traditional political philosophy or agenda that asserts that a majority (sometimes categorized by religion, language, social class, or some other identifying factor) of the population is entitled to a certain degree of primacy in society, and has the right to make decisions that affect the society. This traditional view has come under growing criticism, and democracies have increasingly included constraints on what the parliamentary majority can do, in order to protect citizens' fundamental rights.[1]

This should not be confused with the concept of a majoritarian electoral system, which is a simple electoral system that usually gives a majority of seats to the party with a plurality of votes. A parliament elected by this method may be called a majoritarian parliament (e.g., the Parliament of the United Kingdom and the Parliament of India)....
Only the amreeki democracy is true democracy, rest are all imposters. But wait, wasn't everyone crying about how Trump lost the "popular vote" and the true ruler was Hillary?

Seems they just mix and match democracy and "majoritarianism" to suit whatever the agenda is at the time :mrgreen:
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Slowly the protestors are being undermined by the diaspora guys who seem to be too interested in what is happening in agricultural sector.
An elderly protester recently said, “We have faced bigger tyrants than Modi. As long as there is breath in our lungs, we will keep fighting.”
This elderly protestor should tell us where he gets Malana Cream amidst a pandemic or spit out the name of the big tyrant he faced, if it is someone other than his WaPo blogger wife
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Yayavar wrote:This is such a low grade article - points more towards the agenda and lack of quality of washingtonpost editorial board. Am amazed at the total crap they allow to be published in opinion columns.

It is strange that most of the articles are also conflating Punjab with Sikhs. Are there no non-sikh farmers in all of Punjab?
Non-sikhs are higher in the agricultural chain ( procurement agents, wholesalers, shellers etc. ).

To be totally true, it would mostly be Jatt sikhs who are farmers ( it is like a class hierarchy ). Punjab is mostly an OBC + dalit state ( >60% of population ). Jatt sikhs and non-dalit Hindu combined population would be less than 40%.
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The WaPo article is trash, I agree. Your points are also very far from reality. There is no lack of skills with the number of higher educational colleges. Ultimately what happens at the end of such education is a migration from Punjab to either other parts of India or US, UK, Canada etc. Those that remain fall into an endless cycle of depression or jobs that do not any way match their skill levels.


I do see the point about migration to other cities in India. However I would not be too confident with the educational system in Panjab. I hate to admit it but my own relatives demonstrate a sub-optimal level of competence for example:

- MA in English with interest in poetry but unaware that poetry has a prosodic structure!
- Two years of engineering then went South (anything south of Delhi is South) and came back after 3 months because they were on a different level of instruction.
- Good to very good in mathematics, went to engineering school in Panjab which destroyed any prospect of engineering employment in the US where she now resides. Admits ruefully if parents had sent her out of Panjab her potential may have been fulfilled.


(Yes of course I know the timeline of Alexander, I was politely wondering if the author did).
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https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/133 ... 75392?s=09

new link to the winstrom iphone manufacturing unit emerges. SFI leader arrested. non-workers were brought to the unit. video on the above page.
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this was almost predestined to happen, given the volatility of the situation and the sentiments



Farmers Protest: Sikh priest shoots self near Singhu border, dies
New Delhi
December 16, 2020

A priest from Haryana's Karnal died by suicide near the Singhu border in Delhi on Wednesday. According to his suicide letter, he shot himself in solidarity with the farmers protesting against three new farm laws.

The deceased, Sant Baba Ram Singh, was a religious preacher with followers in Haryana and Punjab. He was a former office bearer in many Sikh organisations, including Haryana SGPC.

According to initial inputs, the 65-year-old Sikh priest shot himself with a licensed gun in Kundali, on the Haryana side of the Singhu border.

In the handwritten suicide note, found near his body, Baba Ram Singh said that he was 'hurt to see the plight of the farmers' and the 'government's oppression'.

"I have witnessed the plight of the farmers, who are on the streets, struggling for their rights. I am hurt to see that the government is not giving them justice. It is a crime. It is a sin to oppress and it is a sin to suffer," Sant Baba Ram Singh's suicide note said.

"Nobody did anything against the oppression and for the rights of the farmers. Many even expressed their protest by returning awards," it said.

"This servant commits self-immolation against the government oppression [and] in favour of the farmers. It [The act] is the voice against the oppression and the voice in favour of the farmers," the suicide note, written in Punjabi said.
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An old joke in Pakistan:

Jo jung mein mar jaata hai, usey kahte hain : Shaheed

Jo jung mein zakhmee hota hai, usey kahte hain : Ghaazi

Aur jo jung mein pakda jaata hai, usey kahte hain : Niazi

Ek Tha 1971 me

Aur ek .......
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triank wrote:new link to the winstrom iphone manufacturing unit emerges. SFI leader arrested. non-workers were brought to the unit.
The bolded organisation should be the most filthiest outfit which any one should be associated with it. They are strong in commie strong holds and have a reputation of working against any invention/movement which benefits people. Incidents at KL are the prime example of what SFI cadre can do, and how generations of youngsters can be brought up brain washed and damaging their country of origin. A bit surprised that they have a sizeable presence in KA. At least in cities like Bangalore, SFI is a joke. There could be a case of peacefools masquerading as SFI cadre (as their end goals are the same).
chetak wrote:this was almost predestined to happen, given the volatility of the situation and the sentiments
More such incidents are bound to happen which is also indication that the broker gang have started losing ground. Bringing children to strikes, suiciding of people and other emotional outbursts are an indication that they have no genuine/meangingful points to discuss upon. But in an 'emotional country' like India, they can get some mileage out of all this.
SC acknowledges farmers' right to non-violent protest, says would set up panel to resolve impasse. Now this is from a very 'pro-farmer' :roll: News outlet from KL, where are there no great number of farmers producing right & wheat any way. Hon SC. may have to define what 'non-violent' means; as people can be harassed without using physical violence.

PS: I am reminded of a scene from an old English movie 'Bhowani Junction'. That shows how a perfectly non-violent mob can cause havoc on a well oiled scheme (like railways & troop movements). In the movie the Congress party workers are seen to just land up at railway stations, and even lying on tracks blocking trains - all which is very non-violent. But the British Colonel also had a very 'non-violent' way to disperse the protestors ;).
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There are other competitive disadvantages as well. The distance to ports makes it extremely unattractive to industry. There was a freight equalization act to take care of this. It ended in 1993.

My former boss worked in tri-city area( Mohali ) for contract design work for a Taiwanese electronic manufacturer. That project ended with op prakaram due to distance to the border with an overhang of a nuclear war. No large services firm will invest their regional HQ when distance to the border is less than 200KM.
I feel these are all inaccurate statements.
A lot of investments in all sorts of areas has taken place over the last twenty years (after the 2001 earthquake) in Kutch area of Gujarat.
There are two huge refineries in Jamnagar. I am sure it easy to destroy refineries than some service industry. But then people might say it is Amabani's refinery and he has Modi in his pocket. But that would be whataboutery.
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sanjaykumar wrote:
It’s quite a fall. Totally unnecessary. I am sure it can be reversed. However their competition is no longer literally starving Indians. The competitive is stiff. Actually it is formidable. But they need to make Panjab attractive for manufacturing, for services and skills. It’s barely out of the 1960s with massive subsidies for crops that either rot or go into storage.

Some get offended when I state the obvious: Panjab needs 21 st century skills. government subsidies are holding it back by making agriculture low risk.
I visited Punjab/India a couple of years ago from London.
My observations were:

Lot's of food is produced.
Grain storage is primitive
Food processing industries are few & far between
Over use of chemical herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers ( and a massive cancer wave that is slowly emerging)
Drug/alcohol dependence - which in my view is a result of despondency and hopelessness stemming from lack of employment.
A lot more major roads seem to have been built, but connectivity from villages is not good, I witnessed a washed out/collapsed road being rebuilt by villagers.

Life in the villages was pretty much the same, a slow pace. A lot of people from the villages had left to work abroad and were sending money back, which was used to build large houses or start small shops.

I am not from a rich well to do family. My cousins husband farms 3-4 acres. I asked him if he enjoyed it, he said he hated it ....."but what else can I do??"

My view was that the education system at the very basic level, had to be reformed. The youngsters quite literally had no skills, they literally could do nothing beyond laboring in the fields or construction sites.

One of my cousins when he was a child, wanted to be a truck drivers, he is now a wood cutter !!!!!!

Schools need to provide vocational training. Carpentry, metal work, jewellry making, handicrafts, design. Phulkari. Engine maintainence.

In Punjab there is the additional problem that the evangelicals are wreaking havoc in the villages, this will continue unless these issues are resolved. I discussed this with a land owner and his view was to the effect "who cares what religion "they" believe in, "they" will still have to work on "our" fields!!!"

"They" and "our" were very obvious reference to caste.

I have started a furniture making course in the UK and I intend to pass these skills onto people in my little patch of Punjab. I have also offered to pay for Embroidery & Phulkari training for the ladies.

A change in mindset and education, along with training will change Punjab and India.

A food processing plant on 3-5 acres of land will employ more people that are required to farm it.
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https://twitter.com/livelawindia/status ... 94245?s=24 SC okays road blocks
https://twitter.com/CNNnews18/status/13 ... 5704978432 Sc asks govt to suspend farmer bills till talks over
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sanjaykumar wrote:The WaPo article is trash, I agree. Your points are also very far from reality. There is no lack of skills with the number of higher educational colleges. Ultimately what happens at the end of such education is a migration from Punjab to either other parts of India or US, UK, Canada etc. Those that remain fall into an endless cycle of depression or jobs that do not any way match their skill levels.


I do see the point about migration to other cities in India. However I would not be too confident with the educational system in Panjab. I hate to admit it but my own relatives demonstrate a sub-optimal level of competence for example:

- MA in English with interest in poetry but unaware that poetry has a prosodic structure!
- Two years of engineering then went South (anything south of Delhi is South) and came back after 3 months because they were on a different level of instruction.
- Good to very good in mathematics, went to engineering school in Panjab which destroyed any prospect of engineering employment in the US where she now resides. Admits ruefully if parents had sent her out of Panjab her potential may have been fulfilled.


(Yes of course I know the timeline of Alexander, I was politely wondering if the author did).
I think high-school/under-grad education is what you make out of it. If your heart is not into it, you won't make it.

I studied engineering in Punjab. I maxed out my H1b ( 6 years ), US employment with no issues. I could keep my job at all times with no employment gap besides two vacations. I have worked in other countries too. I also made it to Ivy league ( executive education ). At no point was I limited by my skills or my background questioned.

I am a laggard among my college batch mates primarily because I liked engineering more than anything else I could think of. The better folks in my batch have held senior executive positions in India and abroad for several years now. My college is only slightly above average. The folks from the best colleges have an even better career path. I have come across some of them and they lead large divisions in North America now.

I get your point on Alexander now. I guess I missed you sarcasm.
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