My quote from previous postRudradev wrote:Krisna ji, what Xi is doing far surpasses the passive approach of Deng Xiaoping. They are actively building up centers in China to emerge as the Vatican City or Mecca for modern-day Buddhism.
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In many facets of life esp wrt dharmic way with lot of freedom, people don't get into culture tradition relgion so easily due to freedom in earlier life and duties of normal life.communism destroyed a lot of traditions and culture of china. ot of monuments etc were destroyed by mao stupid march killing millions also.
post Mao, deng xiaoping did allow soft form of Buddhism to flourish. was little difficult due to heavy dose of communism then but over time other leaders followed the trend. Meanwhile Christianity also got a boost similarly as church found a opening during this period. however china communists are a little wary of it.
Public's reaction to Mrs. Eleven belting one out.UlanBatori wrote:She is a Majorette Jarnail-e-lijard-fauj?
Wonder what she sang at Tian An Men:OrOnward Marxist Tankers!When Jao Ni got crushed to a pulp, Hurrah Hurrah!
You'll find the same sort of deficiencies for chini ground troops and vehicles in Tibet too.nam wrote:We have it from the Air Chief himself, that Tibet has no infrastructure for PLAF to carry out sustained air offensive.
So all the drama about SAM and armour randomly running around on Tibet plateau, the Chinis don't even have a blast pen for their aircrafts.
We will take them seriously when they have one.
It's a good thing they do this kind of nonsense in Beijing. In Delhi the flyover would have collapsed as soon as the first tank rolled past.anupmisra wrote:
There was no need to self flagellate in this manner.yensoy wrote: It's a good thing they do this kind of nonsense in Beijing. In Delhi the flyover would have collapsed as soon as the first tank rolled past.
FYI: I have seen old vintage tanks being carried through delhi roads on some of the flyoversyensoy wrote: It's a good thing they do this kind of nonsense in Beijing. In Delhi the flyover would have collapsed as soon as the first tank rolled past.
Shhhh! These are Made In China Fryovel tanks. 400% plastic onlee. They fly direct from Beiing to Doklam too.yensoy wrote: It's a good thing they do this kind of nonsense in Beijing. In Delhi the flyover would have collapsed as soon as the first tank rolled past.
Chola, what you are making mistake is that there is no intermittent military maneuvre where we can occupy some places in Tibet to teach Han a lesson. The only way the situation would have been militarily solved was India doing Bangladesh to Tibet, by liberating Tibet.chola wrote:You'll find the same sort of deficiencies for chini ground troops and vehicles in Tibet too.nam wrote:We have it from the Air Chief himself, that Tibet has no infrastructure for PLAF to carry out sustained air offensive.
So all the drama about SAM and armour randomly running around on Tibet plateau, the Chinis don't even have a blast pen for their aircrafts.
We will take them seriously when they have one.
I've said all along we enjoy overwhelming advantages along the LAC. A modest offensive operation such as one to rectify 1962 is a guaranteed victory as long as we could find a reason to declare war. The chinis gave us the reason by threatening war at Doka La.
Better to stick to factsTKiran wrote:India didn't oppose any road construction even in chumby valley which is hardly a km or two from Doklam.
Yeah I'm wrong. Apparently it doesn't even take one tank http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 449722.cms.shiv wrote:There was no need to self flagellate in this manner.yensoy wrote: It's a good thing they do this kind of nonsense in Beijing. In Delhi the flyover would have collapsed as soon as the first tank rolled past.
If you do enough digging in China., actually you may end up digging out an entire bullet train with bodies!pankajs wrote:I am sure with enough digging we can come up with bridge collapse in China and western world too.
Steve Bannon compares China to 1930s Germany and says US must confront Beijing
Former senior aide to Donald Trump prepares to visit Hong Kong and warns that China is at ‘economic war’ with American
Steve Bannon has said that China’s younger generation is ‘so patriotic, almost ultranationalistic’. Photograph: Carolyn Kaster/AP
Monday 11 September 2017 06.53 BST Last modified on Monday 11 September 2017 08.34 BST
Steve Bannon, Donald Trump’s former consigliere, has compared China to 1930s Germany, warning the country could go down the same dark path if the US fails to challenge its rise.
“A hundred years from now, this is what they’ll remember — what we did to confront China on its rise to world domination,” Bannon told the New York Times.
“China right now is Germany in 1930,” he said. “It’s on the cusp. It could go one way or the other. The younger generation is so patriotic, almost ultranationalistic.”*(Spot on!)
Donald Trump’s former senior White House aide is preparing to kick off a global anti-China crusade and the former White House chief strategist has called himself a “street fighter”, setting his sights on his next opponent: China. Bannon is convinced the US and China are destined for open conflict and has lambasted the country on everything from trade to intellectual property to North Korea ahead of speech in Hong Kong on Tuesday.
“China’s model for the past 25 years, it’s based on investment and exports,” he said. “Who financed that? The American working class and middle class. You can’t understand Brexit or the 2016 events unless you understand that China exported their deflation, they exported their excess capacity.”
“It’s not sustainable,” Bannon added. “The reordering of the economic relationship is the central issue that has to be addressed, and only the US can address it.”
Bannon left his position at the White House last month and said he would be “going to war for Trump against his opponents”. During his short tenure at Trump’s side, Bannon wielded significant influence on immigration and tax reform efforts by pulling the president to the right, and he will now seek to shape policy on China.
He has returned to leading Breitbart news, a far right website popular among many Trump supporters.
Bannon will be speaking at a conference hosted by CLSA, a unit of Citic Securities, China’s largest state-owned brokerage, and his speech will focus on “American economic nationalism and the populist revolt and Asia,” according to a CLSA spokeswoman. “He’s the man of the moment.”
“Donald Trump, for 30 years, has singled out China as the biggest single problem we have on the world stage,” Bannon said in an interview on CBS just days before his Hong Kong speech.
“I want China to stop appropriating our technology. China is, through forced technology transfer and through stealing our technology, but really forced technology transfer, is cutting out the beating heart of American innovation.
“We’re not at economic war with China, China is at economic war with us.”
He admonished officials in George W Bush’s administration for their trade policies, accusing them of being weak.
Bannon will now take his fight to Chinese soil, speaking to a room filled with investors who owe much of their fortunes to China’s economic rise. Past speakers at the conference include Bill Clinton, Al Gore and George Clooney.
Bannon also echoed Trump on US strategy in reining in North Korea’s nuclear program, saying China was the key in dealing with the isolated state.
“If you’re a great power, how come you can’t control the Frankenstein monster you created in North Korea?” he asked in the interview with the New York Times.
“The solution to Korea runs through Beijing and we have to engage Beijing,” Bannon said in the CBS interview. “[North Korea] is a client state of China.”
Bannon said the US should consider “doubling down” on efforts to pressure China to act through a host of measures including sanctions, restricting access to US capital markets and penalising Chinese financial institutions.
“We have tremendous leverage to force China,” he said.
Bannon previously lived in Shanghai where he ran an online gaming company, but returned to the US in 2008. He has long been convinced the US is headed for a major confrontation with China.
“We’re going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years,” he said in March 2016 on a Breitbart podcast. “There’s no doubt about that.
Bannon was reportedly encouraged when Trump, before he was sworn into office, spoke directly with Taiwan’s president on the phone, infuriating China. China considers the self-ruled island a breakaway province, and Trump later bowed to pressure from son-in-law Jared Kushner, telling Chinese President Xi Jinping the US would honour the “One China” principle.
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When Indonesia recently — and quite publicly — renamed the northernmost waters of its exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea despite China's claims to the area, Beijing quickly dismissed the move as "meaningless."
It is proving to be anything but.
Indonesia's increasingly aggressive posture in the region — including a military buildup in its nearby Natuna Islands and the planned deployment of naval warships — comes as other nations are being more accommodating to China's broad territorial claims in the South China Sea+ .
The two countries had three maritime skirmishes in 2016 involving warning shots, including one in which Indonesian warships seized a Chinese fishing boat and its crew.
Indonesia is challenging China+ , one of its biggest investors and trading partners, as it seeks to assert control over a waterway that has abundant resources, particularly oil and natural gas reserves and fish stocks.
The pushback from Indonesia takes direct aim at Beijing's claims within the "nine-dash line," which on Chinese maps delineates the vast area that China claims in the South China Sea. It also adds a new player to the volatile situation, in which the US Navy has been challenging China's claims with naval maneuvers through waters claimed by Beijing.
Indonesia "is already a party to the disputes — and the sooner it acknowledges this reality the better," said Ian Storey, a senior fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, where he researches South China Sea issues.
The dispute largely centers on the Natuna Sea, a resource-rich waterway north of Indonesia that also lies close to Vietnam's exclusive economic zone.
Before naming part of the contested waterway the North Natuna Sea "to make it sound more Indonesian," Storey said, Indonesia last year began beefing up its military presence in the Natunas. That included expanding its naval port on the main island to handle bigger ships and lengthening the runway at its air force base there to accommodate larger aircraft.
For decades, Indonesia's official policy has been that it is not a party to any territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea, unlike its regional neighbors Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam. Last year, however, Indonesia and China had the three maritime skirmishes within Indonesia's 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone off its Natuna Islands, which lie northwest of Borneo.
After the third skirmish, in June 2016, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement in which it claimed for the first time that its controversial nine-dash line included "traditional fishing grounds" within Indonesia's exclusive economic zone.
The administration of Indonesian President Joko Widodo, whose top administrative priorities since taking office in October 2014 include transforming his country into a maritime power, has ordered authorities to blow up hundreds of foreign fishing vessels seized while illegally fishing in Indonesian waters.
Joko, during a visit to Japan in 2015, said in a newspaper interview that China's nine-dash line had no basis in international law. He also chaired a Cabinet meeting on a warship off the Natunas just days after last year's third naval skirmish — a move analysts viewed as a show of resolve to Beijing.
On July 14, Indonesia's Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries held a conspicuously high-profile news conference to release its first national territorial map since 2005, including the unveiling of the newly named North Natuna Sea. The new map also included new maritime boundaries with Singapore and the Philippines, with which Indonesia had concluded agreements in 2015.
Arif Havas Oegroseno, a deputy minister at Indonesia's Coordinating Ministry of Maritime Affairs, told journalists that the new Indonesian map offered "clarity on natural resources exploration areas."
That same day, Indonesia's Armed Forces and Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources signed a memorandum for warships to provide security for the highly profitable fishing grounds and offshore oil and gas production and exploration activities within the country's exclusive economic zone near the Natunas.
General Gatot Nurmantyo, commander of the Indonesian armed forces, said at the time that offshore energy exploration and production activities "have often been disturbed by foreign-flagged vessels" — which some analysts took as a reference to China.
Although several countries take issue with China's territorial claims in the South China Sea, few do so publicly, and the Trump administration has recently sent mixed signals about how willing it is to challenge China on its claims. That has made the Indonesian pushback more intriguing.
Frega Ferdinand Wenas Inkiriwang, a lecturer at the Indonesian Defense University, said Indonesia's public naming of the North Natuna Sea "means that Indonesia indirectly becomes a claimant state in the area, perhaps due to territorial integrity issues.
"It's in the vicinity of the Natunas," he said, "and the Natunas contain natural resources which are inherited and will be beneficial for Indonesia's development."
Analysts say that the Indonesian navy would be no match for the Chinese navy in a fight, although the first of last year's clashes involved only a Chinese coast guard ship and an Indonesian maritime ministry patrol boat. It is unlikely that the two countries' navies would clash within Indonesia's exclusive economic zone, according to analysts.
Members of the 10-state Association of Southeast Asian Nations, or ASEAN, have repeatedly expressed concern about China's aggressive posture in the South China Sea, including its naval standoffs and land reclamation projects in disputed areas, and the stationing of military personnel and surface-to-air missiles in the Paracel Islands — which are controlled by China but are also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam.
Indonesia, the grouping's largest member and de facto leader, had in the past remained on the sidelines of the various South China Sea disputes and offered to help mediate between ASEAN claimant states and Beijing.
Given that China is among Indonesia's biggest investors and trade partners, some analysts say Jakarta will go only so far in challenging China's territorial claims, at least publicly. But its more aggressive military posture and other moves regarding the Natunas are nonetheless sending signals to China.
"It doesn't make Indonesia a claimant state," said Aaron Connelly, a research fellow at the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney, Australia, who follows the South China Sea disputes. "They've never accepted the legitimacy of the nine-dash line, which is why they say there's no overlap" with its exclusive economic zone.
"China says it has 'traditional fishing rights,' but Indonesia is doing things in a legalistic way right now," Connelly said. "This is a more effective way of challenging it." {But, China does not recognize any legalities}
Evan Laksmana, a senior researcher on security affairs at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Jakarta, agreed that the naming of the North Natuna Sea was not specifically done to trigger a dispute with China.
"But the international legal basis underpinning Indonesia's new map is clear," he said.
"We do not recognize China's claims in the Natuna waters — we don't feel like we should negotiate our map with Beijing or ask their consent," Laksmana said.
Lakshmana Rekha.SSridhar wrote:Indonesia confronts Beijing's territorial claims in South China Sea - NYT"we don't feel like we should negotiate our map with Beijing or ask their consent," Laksmana said.
anupmisra, fabulous.anupmisra wrote:Lakshmana Rekha.
A fortnight after the high-stakes Doklam standoff between India and China was diffused via diplomatic channels, soldiers of the People's Liberation Army continue to remain on the contentious plateau. The PLA personnel have even built bunkers on a ridge line behind the disputed area, sparking fears of a fresh standoff between the two nuclear-armed neighbours.
The Chinese presence on the plateau was raised by India during a September 8 flag meeting between the Indian division commander and his PLA counterpart at the Nathu La mountain pass.
During the four-hour meeting, the Indian Army insisted that the agreed-upon August 28 disengagement would be incomplete without PLA soldiers vacating the plateau. The Chinese side is believed to have told the Indian army that they would get back after consulting their superiors. …………………………
Sources privy to the September 8 meeting told India Today that the Chinese also insisted on patrolling up to the Jampheri ridge which is where they insist the trijunction between India, China and Bhutan lies. Both India and Bhutan insist the trijunction lies four kilometres north of the ridge, at the Batang La pass.
The flag meeting at Nathu La was the second since the August 28 de-escalation when both sides withdrew 150 metres from the disputed road construction site.
The first meeting, between Brigadier-ranked officers, was called for on August 30, a day after the de-escalation, when the Indian army objected to the Chinese leaving behind a flag at the spot guarded by eight soldiers.
The Chinese withdrew two days later, but continue to occupy their positions on a ridge abutting the plateau where they have built the bunkers.
CARAT Indonesia is part of a set of annual bilateral exercises known as the Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (hence the acronym CARAT) that the United States conducts with partner navies from South and Southeast Asia focused on maritime security (See: “US Eyes Expanded Military Exercises with ASEAN Navies”). Indonesia has been part of CARAT since the exercise series first began in 1995.According to the Pentagon, CARAT Indonesia 2017 will witness the participation of more than 300 U.S. military members along with counterparts from the Indonesian Navy and Marines – known as Tentera Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL). U.S. units participating in the exercise included the expeditionary fast transport ship USNS Fall River, a P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and U.S. Marines assigned to the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force.CARAT Indonesia 2017, which is taking place on the ground in Surabaya and in the waters and airspace of the Java and Bali Seas, will last until September 17.
According to the Pentagon, the exercise will feature the usual mix of engagements. The sea phase of the exercise will include complex at-sea training in surface warfare; visit, board, search and seizure anti-piracy drills; a gunnery exercise; and maritime patrol operations; while the ashore face will see personnel exchanging best practices on naval tactics during a series of military seminars ashore as well as numerous skills exchanges in maritime domain awareness, aviation seminars, military law, and surface warfare symposia.
