2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

sanjayc · Post by **sanjayc** » 15 Mar 2022 01:28

Primus wrote:
Rsatchi wrote:^^Sirji
that one or Magnificent Seven???
That one ' Once Upon a time...."

The scene in Sholay where Gabbar comes down the mountain on his horse and shoots the Inspector's family one by one was copied exactly, including where the youngest boy comes running in the end and is the last one to be shot. You can check on YT.

Of course, as I said there was a lot of masala added in the Desi version. These two guys - Salim/Javed were masters at cutting and pasting scenes and snippets from various Western (Hollywood) movies and creating their own versions of it.

No wonder Whites call Sholay as "curry western"

bala · Post by **bala** » 15 Mar 2022 01:48

madhu wrote: Sir this is a crap... Don't believe in such nonsense. Not all pagan are hindus. These WhatsApp messages I have seen but realty is they were different pagans.
Just for your info no Hindu will use the word like PBUH... only Muslims do... So this is a copy past from WhatsApp university.

Sir, I wrote the above no copy paste and out of deference to Islam, I used PBUH. I am quite sure that the Prophet's parentage were Hindu custom practicing folks otherwise the black meteorite stone at mecca would not have been kept. Later in around 900 AD it was removed and replaced with the current version of the stone ( which is not a meteorite stone). The pagan word is unfortunate and I don't believe Hindus are pagan. The rest is up to you to believe or disbelieve.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 15 Mar 2022 02:01

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Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 15 Mar 2022 03:01

Hijab case verdict expected tomorrow, not sure about the time. Will be streamed as usual I suppose.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 15 Mar 2022 05:02

Yes Modi should bring back farm laws. Elections are done in all the troublesome states. There can be a strict danda that can be brought down on these BiF stooges. Won’t give a crap about Punjab and it’s “farmers”(money lenders).

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 15 Mar 2022 05:32

vimal wrote:Yes Modi should bring back farm laws. Elections are done in all the troublesome states. There can be a strict danda that can be brought down on these BiF stooges. Won’t give a crap about Punjab and it’s “farmers”(money lenders).

That ship has sailed. better to focus on industrialization

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2022 05:52

Atmavik wrote:
vimal wrote:Yes Modi should bring back farm laws. Elections are done in all the troublesome states. There can be a strict danda that can be brought down on these BiF stooges. Won’t give a crap about Punjab and it’s “farmers”(money lenders).
That ship has sailed. better to focus on industrialization

It may end up getting enacted state wise with the BJP states taking the lead

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 15 Mar 2022 06:11

Next 2 years will all be about economy, fighting rising commodity prices and welfarism . This time next year all the parties will begin preparing for the general elections and BJP cannot afford another year long agitation.

bharathp · Post by **bharathp** » 15 Mar 2022 08:40

specially with AAP and misguided support for deep rooted BIF field army onlee, cant risk farm laws right now.. the best way is to covertly allow farmers to sell to open market.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 10:10

On the contrary this is the best time to open up a discussion about the farm laws.

Last time the government did not spend any political capital defending the laws. Knowing, exactly how the farmers were mislead in to supporting this agitation.

It will be worth the effort to take a stand and for the PM to present the farm laws once again. After perhaps 6 months of public discussion on various sections of the laws.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 15 Mar 2022 10:47

Hijab Row Verdict: Karnataka HC Upholds Hijab Ban

Upholding the ban on wearing Hijab in schools and colleges, the HC also declares that educational institutions have a right to prescribe uniforms, and Dismisses writ petitions filed by Muslims girl students seeking permission to wear Hijab in colleges.

"Thank Lord", good sense prevailed and court Dismisses writ petitions.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 10:53

^^^ Another major blow to secularism !

. Long queues of "secular, progressive, liberals" found in front of bars and liquor shops.
Hijab Row: Prescription of uniform a reasonable restriction, Karnataka HC upholds hijab ban
* No case is made out for invalidating the Government Order of February 5 : Karnataka High Court
* Prescription of uniform is a reasonable restriction on fundamental rights: Karnataka High Court upholds hijab ban
* Wearing of hijab is not under essential religious practice: Bench rules

The bolded part has far reaching consequences as the High Court verdicts are also taken as reference in other courts of law across the country.

madhu wrote:"Thank Lord", good sense prevailed and court Dismisses writ petitions.

My understanding is that practical examinations have already started in KA for this academic year. And the hijabis skipped those exams as part of their protests. Now most likely they can think about skipping the theory examinations as well - if their love for hijab is true.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 10:59

Ambar wrote: This time next year all the parties will begin preparing for the general elections and BJP cannot afford another year long agitation.

Pratyush wrote:On the contrary this is the best time to open up a discussion about the farm laws.

States like KA under BJP rule is also going for elections in 2023. A better approach would be to introduce the farm laws in few states (like UP, where elections are over). Put some extra efforts to show case the benefits of farm laws in these states. If farmer brokers of Punjab have plans to procure agriculture products at cheap rates from other North Indian states and then sell it for MSP in the mandis of Punjab, such transhipments should be blocked.

Pratyush wrote:After perhaps 6 months of public discussion on various sections of the laws.

This may not fly as the public discussion forums are still very anti-BJP, and BJP also does not have much clout (or strategy) to change it.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 15 Mar 2022 11:10

Reaction Of Kashmiri Pandits, Punekars After Watching Film Kashmir Files In Pune

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 15 Mar 2022 11:24

[quote="madhu"]Hijab Row Verdict: Karnataka HC Upholds Hijab Ban

The Honourable Court cited "not an essential religious practice" when upholding the ban on Hijab.

I consider this "Essential religious practice" test as disadvantageous to Hindus since we do not have a central religious book or central authority. So it's difficult to prove anything as "essential" to us and a future Hindu-hostile government can push anti Hindu laws using this argument.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 15 Mar 2022 11:53

I absolutely loved the cut and dry manner in which the judgement was delivered by the KA HC Special 3 judge constitutional bench of chief justice Shri Ritu Raj Awasthi, justice Shri Krishna S Dixit and justice Smt JM Khazi in the hijab case.

srin · Post by **srin** » 15 Mar 2022 11:56

Sachin wrote:
Ambar wrote: This time next year all the parties will begin preparing for the general elections and BJP cannot afford another year long agitation.

Pratyush wrote:On the contrary this is the best time to open up a discussion about the farm laws.
States like KA under BJP rule is also going for elections in 2023. A better approach would be to introduce the farm laws in few states (like UP, where elections are over). Put some extra efforts to show case the benefits of farm laws in these states. If farmer brokers of Punjab have plans to procure agriculture products at cheap rates from other North Indian states and then sell it for MSP in the mandis of Punjab, such transhipments should be blocked.

Pratyush wrote:After perhaps 6 months of public discussion on various sections of the laws.
This may not fly as the public discussion forums are still very anti-BJP, and BJP also does not have much clout (or strategy) to change it.

Karnataka already has the farm amendments, and the BJP Govt has resisted push to repeal them.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 12:07

Cyrano wrote:I absolutely loved the cut and dry manner in which the judgement was delivered by the KA HC Special 3 judge constitutional ...

Watching the 'TV channel magistrates' in action in Kannada channels. Looks like the hijabis and their backers are planning to appeal to Supreme Court.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 12:09

Sachin, I am confused about Karnataka and the farm laws. Because, from all indications Karnataka did not see any agitations against the farm laws.

If that's the case, then it should be possible for farm laws to be enacted without any adverse issue.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 12:16

Shaktimaan wrote: So it's difficult to prove anything as "essential" to us and a future Hindu-hostile government can push anti Hindu laws using this argument.

This tests have been used before. IIRC the practise of animal slaughter was banned in Hindu temples citing that it was not an essential religious practise. How ever in the review petitions in Sabari Mala case what has also been used is the rights of a diety (who is always considered to be a minor). This right is also a powerful tool to protect a temple's belief system and traditional aspects.

Pratyush wrote:Sachin, I am confused about Karnataka and the farm laws. Because, from all indications Karnataka did not see any agitations against the farm laws.

In KA, BJP was in power and opposition parties - even that of humble farmer - was in a weak position. Secondly L&O machinery also worked well in KA state, so that the farmer-brokers could not run riot. In fact this report from Deccan Herald indicates that APMC markets are facing the heat; as many farmers now sell their products to private players byepassing APMC. Read the report as you can see attempts to support APMC.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Mar 2022 12:38

In the long run, as far as Hindus go, there are problems with the constitution's language. The words like "denomination" and the judgement like this having concepts like "essential religious practice" are problematic for Hindus who do not have any single book like others and practices developed over centuries. Particularly with the present state of civilisation background of the society from where most of the SC and HC judges are coming.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 12:42

So the effects of the farm laws are still available. Even if the laws themselves are no longer in force.

Interesting.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Mar 2022 14:18

I think farm laws will not be back in their old form. There may be some other methods to achieve the same result. Immediately effort will be/should be to secure the situation resulting pAAPis win in Punjab. This national security threat will be addressed first. I hope the MHA is up to the task. I fear AS failed to inspire confidence despite his success in removing 370/35A.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 15 Mar 2022 14:26

Read somewhere that the operation to destabilize KA BJP Govt by engineering defections isn't getting anywhere as the defectors have cold feet after seeing Modi persona is still intact in masses as evidenced from the recent elections.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 15 Mar 2022 14:40

On the Hijab row - the Hon. Karnataka HC Division Bench verdict can be read here.
The Writ Petition is numbers as #2347 for year 2022.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2022 16:16

Here is where the stooopide amerikis have finally reached

looks like she is another variation of the dehati aurat burka tombed buddi butt woke variety but with white skin

what about europe buying russki oil/gas and what about Shell the US oil company that also bought russian oil at bargain prices

same hypocritical tightey whitey goose gander and sauce story

तुम करो तो चमत्कार हम करें तो बलात्कार.

Trish Regan@trish_regan

If INDIA buys Russian crude oil,

INDIA should expect to be sanctioned by the United States.

And, believe me, that won’t work out so well for India’s economy.

Right now: you’re with US or you’re against us. Simple.

9:41 pm · 14 Mar 2022·

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 15 Mar 2022 16:23

chetak wrote:Here is where the stooopide amerikis have finally reached

looks like she is another variation of the dehati aurat burka tombed buddi butt woke variety but with white skin

what about europe buying russki oil/gas and what about Shell the US oil company that also bought russian oil at bargain prices

same hypocritical tightey whitey goose gander and sauce story

तुम करो तो चमत्कार हम करें तो बलात्कार.

Trish Regan@trish_regan

If INDIA buys Russian crude oil,

INDIA should expect to be sanctioned by the United States.

And, believe me, that won’t work out so well for India’s economy.

Right now: you’re with US or you’re against us. Simple.

9:41 pm · 14 Mar 2022·

Trish Regan is a Conservative Republican host on Faux News.

Despite the Trump period, the vast majority of Republican politicians & commentators continue to be Neocons who favour US Imperium and are completely in sync with Clintonista Neoliberals of the Democratic Party when it comes to baiting Russia.

Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley are all examples of this.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 16:23

Why get your BP high over the stupid utterances of people who don't really count.

When the US state department has not said anything.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2022 16:28

Shaktimaan wrote:
madhu wrote:Hijab Row Verdict: Karnataka HC Upholds Hijab Ban

The Honourable Court cited "not an essential religious practice" when upholding the ban on Hijab.

I consider this "Essential religious practice" test as disadvantageous to Hindus since we do not have a central religious book or central authority. So it's difficult to prove anything as "essential" to us and a future Hindu-hostile government can push anti Hindu laws using this argument.

In case anyone missed this gem

ANI@ANI

"The way, hijab imbroglio unfolded gives scope for the argument that some ‘unseen hands’ are at work to engineer social unrest and disharmony," Karnataka High Court in its order.

11:50 am · 15 Mar 2022

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2022 16:34

Pratyush wrote:Why get your BP high over the stupid utterances of people who don't really count.

When the US state department has not said anything.

it is what they honestly feel about India and other lesser mortals

either you are with us or you are against us.

that is the ameriki exceptionalism talking, even when their cheeni made chaddis are in tatters

one way or another, India doesn’t really care now.

The East is fast realizing the US isn’t worth supporting.

India abstaining has driven a stake deep into the heart of the US deep state

petty ameriki revenge will surely follow but they know that consequences will spin out beyond US and EU control

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Mar 2022 16:49

When a street dog barks at your car as you are drive by, do you stop to shut him up?

The real importance of such individuals is only when we respond to them. Else they are no different from the street dog barking at the passing car.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2022 17:07

Pratyush wrote:When a street dog barks at your car as you are drive by, do you stop to shut him up?

The real importance of such individuals is only when we respond to them. Else they are no different from the street dog barking at the passing car.

every one is entitled to their opinion.

reality is another dimension.

We always miss the important narrative of shatrubodh in all our relations. Very few countries come to India agenda free and due to our mafia famiglia enforced foreign policies that ran uselessly for decades and effectively isolating India on the international stage, we are now hungry for the phoren smile, the pat on the shoulder and we see only with rose tinted glasses

Thank god the Modi and Jaishankar are on the scene and in control

barking dogs notwithstanding, there have always been "suspicions" about the US in the Indian body politik, and there has always been barely concealed contempt for India at the official level in the US.

our darbaari and parivaari "diplomats" are not to be trusted, especially when so many of these retired judases have settled in the US or some still in India but US funded. Invariably, such settlements and sinecures are mostly "negotiated" while still in service and that compromises India's position in a large number of cases.

One particular foreign secy was spectacularly booted out of office by the Modi govt after obama's visit to India

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 15 Mar 2022 17:19

^^Chetakji
There is a rumour about 'Boris the Blonde' visiting KSA.
Rumoured to ask the Sheiks to increasing the output!!
But is there an ulterior motive as two pronged attack on the non-complier's like India
A. ask KSA and the gulf to shut supply of juice to India
B penalize for buying russki juice
Totally agree that we just cant keep burying head in sand about barking dogs, they might come to bit us

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 15 Mar 2022 17:35

Rsatchi wrote:^^Chetakji
There is a rumour about 'Boris the Blonde' visiting KSA.
Rumoured to ask the Sheiks to increasing the output!!
But is there an ulterior motive as two pronged attack on the non-complier's like India
A. ask KSA and the gulf to shut supply of juice to India
B penalize for buying russki juice
Totally agree that we just cant keep burying head in sand about barking dogs, they might come to bit us

There is the minor aspect of India buying from Vitol, which is a Netherlands based oil trader. So if UK PM is hopeful of getting Saudi Arabia (somebody should tell him that Britain is no longer the imperial power that it once was) we can buy Saudi oil from Vitol. With that also Russia will no longer be part of OPEC+ oil cartel.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 15 Mar 2022 17:37

RSatchi ji, I don't think KSA and gulf will shut supply to India - there will be too much disruption in the market. See this link for the data. Sanctions work both ways and nobody is stupid to do such things. And what will the West gain in return? Lost market for everything? Big Tech, huge disruption in all the outsourced work? I think we should stop caring too much about these things. Last time the US sanctioned us, we got a lot done. They do it once again, India will possibly never need the West again.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2022 17:52

PM Modi appreciated the recently released the Kashmir files, asks why no films portraying the truth of the partition and the emergency have been made

Says that the entire ecosystem "jamaat" was attempting to discredit the film.

Also tells BJP MPs The Kashmir Files is a good film, and everyone should watch it

what a sea change has taken place

during the mafia era, terrorists were glorified, yasin malik was greeted and feted by the slippery sardar PM

And now, PM Modi is endorsing the Kashmir Files

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 15 Mar 2022 18:27

^^One way is to just get someone to run Kissa Kursi Ka or Aandhi, or even get it on the Door darshan!!
Might get someone to start a film start on Emergency.
The one that might tickle someone's fancy is LN Mishra case or Samasthipur Bomb blast case??

srikandan · Post by **srikandan** » 15 Mar 2022 18:30

chetak: petty ameriki revenge will surely follow but they know that consequences will spin out beyond US and EU control

This US govt. decided to shut off oil from Russia before going and trying to get oil from Venezuela. If they were smarter they would have lined up alternate supplies before shutting off oil. So I don't see them behaving with any amount of smarts in even defending American public's interest. This decision to mess with Russia has doubled petrol prices at the pump in the USA, which is a sign of a one-term government. There is no indication that this US govt. is even trying to protect the quality of life of the american public, which tells us that they have not started thinking of negative consequences of their actions yet. But US and India are moving in different directions at this point, so it does not matter.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Mar 2022 19:01

How about The Panjab Files?

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 15 Mar 2022 19:04

chetak wrote:
Shaktimaan wrote:

In case anyone missed this gem

chetak saar, the 'unseen hands' are heading to supreme court.