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And now the SD returns us some artifacts after taking a Texas-size dump on us. What next, give us a complete set of Nixon's false teeth? :|
These were stolen for Massa patrons by Massa agents in the first place and their import inside massaland facilitated by the "ohh so law abiding" massa customs officials in 2009 (who otherwise uphold standard procedure to the point of cavity and xray searches on "randomly" picked individuals from a que) .

As I implied I would have personally wanted those "Indiana Jones" type charatcters (and the names of the local traitors) who commissioned and directed the robbery to have been handed over along with the cultural artefacts for due legal process in India - then it would have been "Even Stevens" with respect to sculpture theft affair.

Completely different to ahistorical Briturd dog and pony show wrt to the Somnath temple door.
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mobile.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/opinion/india-america-relations-on-edge.html

India-America Relations on Edge
by THE EDITORIAL BOARD, mobile.nytimes.com
January 14th 2014

The Indian diplomat charged with visa fraud and mistreating her domestic worker is back in Mumbai, and tensions between India and the United States have eased. But her case and the issues it raised are not resolved, and the damage to India-America relations is unlikely to dissipate soon. This unfortunate episode is a reminder that while both nations are democracies, neither can avoid the hard work necessary to make the relationship work.

The envoy, Devyani Khobragade, was arrested last month on a criminal complaint charging that she had paid her maid, Sangeeta Richard, $1.42 an hour or less despite promising on her visa application to pay the minimum wage of $9.75 an hour. Prosecutors said that Ms. Richard was not only underpaid but overworked. Last Thursday, a federal grand jury indicted Ms. Khobragade on similar charges and accused her of trying to intimidate the victim.

India, its passions fanned by election-year politics, pushed back hard at what many Indians said was American arrogance. Authorities removed security barriers at the American Embassy in New Delhi, canceled the embassy’s food and alcohol import privileges and engaged in other fits of pique. The State Department, at India’s request, granted Ms. Khobragade diplomatic immunity. But after negotiations with prosecutors on a plea bargain failed, she was asked to leave the United States and, in exchange, an American diplomat was withdrawn from India.

Ms. Khobragade has been hailed at home as a symbol of Indian pride. Her father, a retired bureaucrat and her chief defender, is talking of running for public office with a campaign focused on his daughter’s case. Indians have been overwhelming sympathetic to Ms. Khobragade and shockingly indifferent to Ms. Richard, one of untold numbers of powerless domestic workers lured to America by the promise of a job gone bad.

Even so, the case might have been handled better. The United States cannot ignore laws that mandate how workers should be paid and that they be treated fairly. But federal prosecutors have wide discretion, and the State Department, before the criminal investigation, could have urged India to reassign Ms. Khobragade to New Delhi and required her to make restitution.

The United States has to make sure that foreign diplomats understand American laws, although the indictment says that this defendant knew exactly what she was doing. America should also re-examine its own demands for special privileges for its diplomats overseas. More broadly, the case has exposed differences between the two countries over such basic concepts as fairness and equality, while revealing a troubling level of Indian animosity toward the United States. The two governments are trying to turn the page by resuming high-level meetings. But it will take more than that to achieve the “global strategic partnership” with India that President Obama has boasted about.

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passions fanned by election-year politics
and engaged in other fits of pique
symbol of Indian pride
shockingly indifferent to Ms. Richard
untold numbers of powerless domestic workers lured to America by the promise of a job gone bad
These heartless, immature heathens I tell you! :rotfl:
Who wrote that Op-Ed? Katherine Mayo's corpse?
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Racist rant from the jewish-christian mouthpiece.
1)Does not say why DK was picked out when there are 1000 other similar cases involving 100 countries.
2)Does not say that this salary was the norm for DAs
3)Repeats the calumny about overwork
4)Does not refer to SRs effort at visa fraud
5)Does not refer to the outrageous evacuation
6)Does not refer to US stonewalling Indian efforts at investigation
7)does not refer to backstabbing by US,when India-US are in continuous dialogue
8)No reference to American privileges like boutique,lounges,schools or a security barrier on a public road while US revoked parking lots
9)No reference to handcuffing and custodial rape.
10)No reference to earlier insults/humiliations or whether such humiliations are done to fraternal white christians.
11)No reference to US animosity towards India but whining about Indian reaction as animosity
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These worthless cretins at the NYT with their patronizing rubbish towards India are exactly why there is "Indian animosity toward the United States"

If the lice that constitute the NYT editorial board stopped pretending that they were plantation ownahs and indian's their obedient slaves who need to be civilized, then Indo-US ties could improve.
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^^
Agree .. That is the fundamental stumbling block as far as Indian nationalists are concerned. Get off your high horse and then we can talk turkey.
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D-Day: Jan 16th...Shut the shop or else....
In further retaliatory steps over the arrest of diplomat Devyani Khobragade, India has asked the US to "discontinue" commercial activities being undertaken from its embassy premises in New Delhi by January 16
Anyway tracking this....I don't see anywhere in the news abt closing of the SPA or Club or other activies...
Not even news channels are tracking this...guess they are NEVER going to close and will continue as usual....chal tha hai... :(( :((

The activities are....
Acting tough, the government has asked the embassy to stop commercial activities undertaken under the aegis of the American Community Support Association (ACSA), including restaurant/bar, video club, bowling alley, swimming pool, sports field, beauty parlour and gym
Does christmas in Delhi extends in Jan as well ??? they never came back with the tax return details ....
The US has also been asked to provide the tax returns filed by it with Indian authorities for commercial activities which are afforded through ACSA to non-diplomatic persons, including private American citizens and their families, government sources said here
No news channel is tracking this and guess what our babu's will let me continue and again NO ACTION will be taken..
I wish DK being back in Delhi should ensure these are taken care and any delays should be leaked to media ....

This is her ONLY chance to make it EVEN...screw their happiness forever....
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^^
Saar not to worry. This is personal to the IFS babudom and they will not let it go.
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^^I for one am glad this piece of fecal matter hit the fan, splashed into the coffee and thereby woke up the yindian establishment to its stench. Else, this one sided BS would have continued as is forever. Maybe it will even now but at least chances of its doing so are less than 400% (as compared to previously) onlee.

I say, all good. Would it too much to ask for for mighty moussa to make a few more bold moves that expose the hands and funds of its agents in India - working tirelessly to save the souls of the daleets, animists, adivasis, xtians and NE mongoloids from heathen upper-caste oppression in India... onlee...
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I have a chaankian theory.Nirupama Menon/Rao and SSM decided to let the yellow matter hit the fan as they realised the need for Indian subservience was coming to the end.

Maybe,we should create an endowment in Delhi and appoint Ms Rao as its first chair.
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CRamS wrote:Now, please I don't want to paint US as evil or anything like that, but as I mentioned many times, as have others, at its core, US is a racist, xenophobic, colonial empire.
Not disagreeing, not agreeing; just the observation above provides an opportunity to make another one. Namely, Russia, UK, Japan, China, etc., are not different either; they only vary in the extent of their power, and in the awe the Anglophone Indian elite shows for them.

Therefore, the important thing is how they behave with Indians, not what they are.
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Guptaji,
Others might be/are far worse.But what is worst here is the 'master' kicking at one who had done sharanaagathi.The Indian elite had accepted the white mans narrative.Yet,and perhaps because of it,that very act of surrender invited more contempt.One would have thought the foremost nation in the world would have shown some minimum decency.
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Anand K wrote:Now I wonder what would have happened if they really said they were sorry and let it all slide; stomp down Bharara's "zealous" sharara , sent that DSS agent to the US embassy in Luanda or something, etc?
Gora-log, and American at that, showing some remorse/respect (even if it was what was expected of them) would have earned major brownie points! Hey, we might have ditched the Rafale for some nice old F-104 Starfighters and razed the Iranian Embassy to build a nice Chilis joint. :P
At least we got some sobering takeaways from this episode. Even the public knows where we both stand despite the overtures we made all these years......
Any returning of cultural artifacs takes months if not years of court work. It is not a spur of the moment thing. And India is not the only country we have returned artifacs to. So don't bust our hump for it, OK?
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So America/Americans steal artifacts from other nations as well. Truly a sekooler state claps claps......
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If not for this uproar, these stolen artifacts returning would have never taken place. So much for returning artifacts and benevolence. If you dig there would be more.
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Sagar G wrote:So America/Americans steal artifacts from other nations as well. Truly a sekooler state claps claps......
So tell me, is India guilty of the gang rape of the Danish woman is New Delhi?

If not, then please don't tell me that all Americans are guilty of stealing cultural artifacts.
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What has Indian issue got to do here? take it up in the right thread. And what is your logic in linking it with US related issue? someone pinched your behind?
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TSJ since you asked
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/st ... al-assault So the US is not exactly "r@pe free" either as it seems to be projected despite all us vegetarians around !

No one is telling every American goes raiding those artifacts but the "overture" by making it an "event" in returning the stolen articles as a "favor" is not cutting corners or impressing anyone here. Simple as that.
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DK's lawyer David Arshack's motion to dismiss the case in NY court bolsters my view that SD spokeswoman has lost her credibility when she said no 'invasive personal body search' was conducted by the US MS after earleir smugly claiming USM followed SOP. Arshack clearly states in his motion to dismiss that such 'invasive personal body search' did occur. And the USMS has brought shame to John Wayne's portrayal of the service as the good guys.

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TSJ If you want to go on that tack. US should never have allowed stolen artifacts from anywhere in the world if it stands for the founding prinicples. Retruning stolen property is hardly a virtue. Its a necessity!

BTW be within the lines and don't get warned.

Many outstanding members got it in this thread.
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Now that India has "won" the diplomatic row with the US, poodle journalists like Myra MacDonald are whining why India is not a poodle like UK. She is using a book review to peddle her jaundiced view on Devyani affair.

X-post from Book review thread

Forged in Crisis: India and the United States since 1947 by Rudra Chaudhuri
Book Review by Myra MacDonald

Reading some of the Indian commentary on the row over the arrest of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade in the United States, you would be forgiven for thinking that India continued to play the role of victim confronted by great power arrogance. You might also come away bemused by the volatility of the US-India relationship—it has oscillated from India’s closeness to the Soviet Union during the Cold War to the “strategic partnership” promised by the 2005 US-India nuclear deal to the explosive, but petty, row over the diplomat and her alleged treatment of her Indian maid. (The row was partially resolved last week after Khobragade was accorded diplomatic immunity and sent home; in response, the Indian government under the ruling Congress party expelled a U.S. diplomat.)

A new book on U.S.-India relations dispels, however, both the myth of India as victim and the idea of volatility, suggesting instead a remarkable consistency in India’s determination since independence in 1947 to defend its own interests and its approach to the United States.

In “Forged in Crisis; India and the United States since 1947”, author Rudra Chaudhuri argues that India has always been willing to mix idealism with expediency—or, in his words, “ideas and interests”—to gain economic and military help from the United States without sacrificing its independence. Its first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru—one of the architects of the Non-Aligned Movement—was clear from the start on the need to seek “engagement without entanglement” with Washington. “I am anxious to avoid any dependence on the USA,” he declared in 1948. “I do not like the way they are going and they have a method of trying to get their pound’s flesh…” Yet far from being the lofty idealist that he is commonly remembered as, Nehru was ruthlessly pragmatic in pursuing Indian interests. Thus, for example, after seeking U.S. military help against China in a 1962 border war, Nehru subsequently rejected all attempts to make western aid conditional on a settlement of the Kashmir dispute. Indeed, as early as 1963, it was the United States rather than the newly defeated India which was forced to back down by accepting that military aid would not be contingent on a Kashmir settlement.


Nehru’s daughter, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, displayed the same determination to pursue Indian interests when she signed a “Treaty of Friendship” with the Soviet Union in 1971 to shield India from the risk of U.S. and Chinese intervention in its war with Pakistan. “Yet her instinct for and sense of non-alignment was by no means divorced from Nehru’s understanding and approach to foreign policy,” writes Chaudhuri. Rather than become a Soviet satellite, India resumed its engagement with the United States after the war—which led to the independence of then East Pakistan, now Bangladesh—while pursuing a nuclear weapons program to guarantee its autonomy. It conducted its first nuclear test in 1974.

A generation later, in keeping with India’s drive to define its relationship with Washington on its own terms, Indian leaders successfully navigated the aftermath of a series of nuclear tests in 1998. While these triggered sanctions, they also captured America’s attention. Indeed as Strobe Talbott, then deputy Secretary of State, is quoted as saying, one of the consequences of the tests was that the United States would give India “serious, sustained, and respectful attention of a kind the Indians felt they had never received before.”

This would lead to what would become a bipartisan Indian effort to engage with Washington while insisting—as Nehru had done decades earlier—on the primacy of Indian interests at all times. In one of the more fascinating chapters, Chaudhuri recounts the debate within the then ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) on whether to send Indian troops to help the United States after its 2003 invasion of Iraq. It eventually decided against doing so; however, that the Hindu nationalist BJP even entertained the idea showed how far India’s approach to the United States cut across party lines. Tellingly, the Indian Prime Minister at the time, Atal Behari Vajpayee, was comfortable using a concept first crafted by Nehru that India was “following an honest non-aligned policy” in its decisions about Iraq.

Despite the disappointment over Iraq, the administration of President George W. Bush threw everything it had at building relations with India. It abandoned decades of efforts to try to balance India and Pakistan by adopting a policy of “de-hyphenation” to deal with both countries separately—essentially accepting Delhi’s argument that it was too big a world power to be bracketed with its difficult smaller sibling. Washington also set aside its commitment to non-proliferation by negotiating an agreement with India—first announced in 2005—which recognized it as the first nuclear weapons state outside the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT). In the detailed talks which followed, India fought successfully for concessions to maintain the independence of its nuclear weapons program. By the time the nuclear agreement was signed in 2008, India had negotiated much of what it wanted. “India today is the only non-NPT state with nuclear weapons that produces fissile material, has an active nuclear weapons program and can still trade with the NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group),” writes Chaudhuri.

In his conclusions, Chaudhuri argues that “India will never be an ally of the US.” The two countries should expect “momentary disagreements over a whole range of issues”. Washington should also learn, he says, not to make public pronouncements over Kashmir—as happened in the early years of the Obama administration when the idea of a “Kashmir to Kabul” grand bargain became briefly fashionable as a means of turning around the Afghan war. “But notwithstanding the typical trials and tribulations experienced in a relationship between any two nations, especially two of the world’s most populous democracies, a well-founded strain for elasticity has not only taken root, but much more importantly and much less evidently makes allowances for temporary incidents of botched diplomatic forays.”

He is probably right. India is far too important a country for the United States to ignore. And given what Chaudhuri calls “the faint but distinctive edifice of an Indian approach to foreign affairs” discernible from 1947 onwards, India has also shown a consistent pattern of being ready to face down Washington when it suited Delhi’s interests, while seeking help when required.

The unintended impact of the book, however, is to portray a country which has been ruthless in the pursuit of its own interests. The assumed Nehruvian leftist idealism about non-alignment disguised a focus on Indian national interests, while the supposed new chapter written by the nuclear deal hid a determination to resist if India felt its standing were challenged—as happened when Khobragade was arrested and strip-searched in New York. Other countries also pursue national interests, but they do so in different ways: the United States, for example, still wants to be liked and—despite its history of militarism since 9/11—to be seen as a champion of democracy and the free world. European countries, especially Britain, have traded in their security policies to the United States in return for a large measure of political and economic independence. India, however, has dressed its own pursuit of national interest in the language of the victim—an easy enough garb to adopt for any post-colonial state—while winning virtually every policy argument it has ever had with the United States. The apparent volatility in US-India relations comes only from the West’s own surprise when India reasserts its own interests.

The question, therefore, is to ask why Washington has entertained such unrealistic expectations of India. As demonstrated in Chaudhuri’s book, it has always been disappointed—from hoping that helping India against China in 1962 would give it leverage to pursue a Kashmir settlement, to expecting the nuclear deal to carve out a new phase of cooperation.

The row over Khobragade has been instructive in revealing deep cultural differences between the two countries. India, quite rightly, defended the principle of immunity from prosecution of its diplomats, as any country would have done. Where it left Western observers aghast, however, was in the extent to which the Indian government sided with the elite, in this case the diplomat, over her maid, who was assumed to be guilty without trial. This was not a country treating all its citizens equally while legitimately balancing this with the principle of immunity for its diplomats, but, rather, a strong state defending those in power. The trite assumptions underlying the US-India relationship—that the world’s most powerful democracy should be naturally allied with the world’s biggest democracy—foundered, in this case, on very different interpretations of what democracy means.

Beyond making sense of those cultural differences, the United States also needs a realistic reappraisal of what it has achieved in the past and what it will gain in the future through its efforts to woo India into a tighter alliance. The historical record is poor.
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TSJones wrote:So tell me, is India guilty of the gang rape of the Danish woman is New Delhi?

If not, then please don't tell me that all Americans are guilty of stealing cultural artifacs.
What do you want to discuss rape in India or artifacts stolen by Americans you decide and by the way what is your country's latest rape statistics ???
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Oh, so the logic is - it's individual Americans doing it, not America? Wonder how that applies to the Hope diamond then. So prominently displayed in a national museum and all. Hmm.
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DK herself is an example where 'quotas' have helped previously disadvantaged people.Myra is dissaponted that hindus did not fall dead when confronted with christian racism.Thats her interpretation of India defending the strong without Indians becoming poodles of christians.

No way old baby!
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People responsible for gang-rape of Danish Citizen are already in Jail, while USA is categorizing gang-rape of Devyani as SOP. India did not consider Gang rape of Danish Citizen as SOP.
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VICARIOUS PLEASURES - Watching Uncle Sam being outwitted on his own terrain : K.P. Nayar
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The vicarious pleasure that the foreign diplomatic community living in the United States of America has drawn from Washington being outwitted by a Third World country on its own terrain is a startling indication of how deeply foreign governments — even some close allies of the United States of America — resent American bullying. But very often they are helpless and unable to do anything about it. That India stood up to Uncle Sam is something many of these diplomats would like to emulate. Unfortunately, even as they daily face from the American bureaucracy the kind of treatment that the Indian deputy consul-general in New York faced — albeit in lesser and varying degrees — they are made to suffer in silence more by their own political bosses back at headquarters, who like to be more American than the Americans themselves.
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The word, ‘reciprocity’, was unknown in this particular bilateral relationship and that country’s diplomats, though professional and proud, could do nothing about it. The more the Americans treated these Central European diplomats as they treated Prabhu Dayal, India’s consul-general in New York and Neena Malhotra, a consular official also in New York — both of whom were implicated in bleeding-heart-for-the-maid-business — the more craven their political bosses back in Central Europe became.

At the first opportunity, they supplied troops for Bush’s megalomanical and tragedy-laced aggression against Iraq in 2003. Then they bent over backwards to please the US on any militaristic adventure. Whenever Washington asked leaders in a Central European capital to jump, pronto, came a telegram or phone-call from headquarters to that country’s embassy in the US to find out from the state department, “How high should we jump and when?”
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But such treatment in Washington — and to a lesser extent in New York — is not reserved for America’s new allies from Central Europe alone. I know of a lady diplomat from Western Europe, a country very closely aligned to Washington, who was once waiting in her car, parked on the roadside outside an apartment block in the US capital. She was expecting a friend from the high-rise building to join her to go for dinner. For whatever reason, some residents of the apartment block became suspicious of her presence in the waiting car and called 911, the emergency police helpline. Promptly the police arrived and asked what she was doing in the neighbourhood. The lady diplomat told the law enforcement officer that she was picking up a friend. The officer told her to move on. When she pointed to her diplomatic car plates as proof of her authenticity and tried to reason with the police, the officer became aggressive. She moved on: there was every possibility that the diplomat would have been physically removed from the scene for disorderly conduct if she did not comply, even if she may not have been arrested because of her immunity.
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There was a time when reciprocity was sacrosanct in New Delhi’s dealings with Washington. When Bill Clinton was going to India in 2000, the first American presidential visit in 22 years, T.P. Sreenivasan, then deputy chief of mission at the embassy in Washington, received a phone-call from a senior US official a few days before Clinton’s travel. The official matter-of-factly informed the senior diplomat that US marines, who were part of the president’s security detail, would be leaving for New Delhi that afternoon. In the course of the conversation, Sreenivasan asked as a gesture of courtesy if everything went well with the visa procurement for the marines and if he could help with any arrangements. Sreenivasan could not believe his ears when the US official said the marines had made no effort to get visas. “Our marines do not travel with passports. They do not need visas,” was the reply. Sreenivasan curtly told the American that if the marines did not have visas they do not go to India. Period. The contingent put off their trip, but the mission did help with the visas, which were issued the next day so that the presidential schedule was not disrupted.
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Devyani Khobragade’s experience is a wake-up call. Hopefully India will not go back to sleep on matters of its honour and prestige now that the diplomat has returned to India.
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from a impeccable source.

ibnlive

Uttam Khobragade, a retired IAS officer and father of diplomat Devyani Khobragade, on Wednesday said he would contest the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections.
Khobragade told that post his retirement, there was speculation about his foray into politics. "There is nothing new in it (about joining politics). After I retired from the service talk started doing the rounds. Yes, I will contest the Lok Sabha election," he said.
Refusing to disclose which political party he would join, Khobragade said, "talks are on with various parties. I will make an announcement about it at an appropriate time." Asked about her daughter Devyani's priority to bring back her two children to India, he said that they will be back next month.

"We will have to get their admissions done in a Delhi school to continue their education," said Khobragade
, who had served as the BEST General Manager.
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Sorry if already posted - blog from DK's father:

My daughter's return
My daughter is back in the country with full diplomatic immunity. She was duly escorted by a US Department of State official from her residence to the airport. This was possible because of the support of the people of India, the Indian government, the media and the relentless effort of officials in the Ministry of External Affairs.

I have no word to express my gratitude to this country. As a proud Indian, Devyani rejected the offer of prosecution in plea bargain and upheld the sovereignty of the country and the dignity of the Indian judiciary even at cost of personal discomfort. How proud I am to be her father.

She was always a champion of the cause of the poor and of the dignity of women. It is unfortunate that she was accused of underpaying a lady who approached her for a job, although she provided comfort and financial compensation of the highest degree to her.

I worked as a labourer when I was a young student to finance my education and we, as a family, respect dignity of labour and respect and reward our staff. The tremendous love and respect we receive from poor people in Maharashtra is testimony to this.

My daughter imbibed these ideas right from childhood. When she was a student in Class 12, I saw tears in her eyes because a classmate who lived in an orphanage was not getting enough food. She was only consoled when I asked her to carry food for that girl.

Although in foreign service, Devyani has kept in touch with her roots in our remote village on the border of Gadchiroli district of Maharashtra. She makes it a point to visit the village and interact with villagers. Our strength is the goodwill of the poor, the love and affection of the common man and our commitment to the dignity of the country and its judicial system.

My career was a relentless struggle to give justice to the poor; a book of a collection of my judgments is titled "Justice for Poor."

My daughter studied medicine, practiced as a doctor and then joined the foreign service to serve the nation. Her tenure in Pakistan is still remembered by the political class of that country and duly recognised by our own country. Diplomats from Pakistan expressed support for her when she was subjected to humiliation in the US.

I am confident that with support from the people of India, our family will overcome this trauma.
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Roperia wrote:N.S.A. Devises Radio Pathway Into Computers | NYT

N.S.A. has increasingly made use of a secret technology that enables it to enter and alter data in computers even if they are not connected to the Internet, according to N.S.A. documents, computer experts and American officials.

The technology, which the agency has used since at least 2008, relies on a covert channel of radio waves that can be transmitted from tiny circuit boards and USB cards inserted surreptitiously into the computers.

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But the program, code-named Quantum, has also been successful in inserting software into Russian military networks and systems used by the Mexican police and drug cartels, trade institutions inside the European Union, and sometime partners against terrorism like Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, according to officials and an N.S.A. map that indicates sites of what the agency calls “computer network exploitation.”

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One, called Cottonmouth I, looks like a normal USB plug but has a tiny transceiver buried in it. According to the catalog, it transmits information swept from the computer “through a covert channel” that allows “data infiltration and exfiltration.” Another variant of the technology involves tiny circuit boards that can be inserted in a laptop computer — either in the field or when they are shipped from manufacturers — so that the computer is broadcasting to the N.S.A. even while the computer’s user enjoys the false confidence that being walled off from the Internet constitutes real protection.
I think this is utter nonsense to waste time on looking for a device that doesn't exist. 8 miles of transmission of radio from a small usb connector!
The laptops getting physically altered or spyware installed are genuine concerns but this little device is fantasy! If such a thing exists, why would they create it and let the world know! Snowden's revelations are the most reliable!
Its apparantly from Snowden but still I think it is nonsense!
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/
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AmberG ji,
Methinks that blog post by senior K should go into state elections thread.

It has no relevance whatsoever on the IndoUS relationship especially as they are not DK 's words but those of a dad who seemingly has politicial ambitions.
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pankajs wrote:^^
Saar not to worry. This is personal to the IFS babudom and they will not let it go.
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Exclusive: US embassy staff under the lens for multi-year multi-crore tax evasion http://dlvr.it/4jNTQk
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Sources told Firstpost that the United States embassy in New Delhi may have been aware of the violation of Indian tax laws and other things for years, possibly decades.

The eye of the storm promises to be the American Embassy School, also famous for its abbreviation AES, in New Delhi’s posh Chanakyapuri area.

The school, established way back in 1952, has a staff of hundreds, including a faculty of around 150 teachers.{Exemption for 16 perhaps} Last month, India had asked the US embassy to provide details about people working in American schools all over the country and other US government facilities to determine if they had permission to do so and if they were paying taxes that are mandatory under Indian law.

A catch point in the tricky Indian government's missive to the Americans was that diplomats' spouses who take up work in schools or other embassy facilities are supposed to inform the host country.

India is well aware of the fact the American diplomats stationed in India have routinely been violating the Indian laws. But the Indian demand from the Americans, made in the wake of the nanny mess in the Devyani incident, has pushed the Americans into the corner as New Delhi is no longer willing to turn a blind eye to such violations any more.

Firstpost has learnt that the US diplomats in New Delhi are in jitters as they race against the ticking clock to furnish details. They know that they have eaten more than they could chew as they never realised that India would go to this extent in the Devyani case.

The American embassy in New Delhi sent two internal emails today to its staffers, cautioning them to be ready to face imminent adverse media publicity.

Top American diplomats held series of meetings through the day today preparing to deal with the imminent crisis. At these meetings, sources said, the staffers were even told to be even prepared to the closure of the school.


Indian government sources told this writer thus: "Tax evasion from a school (read AES) which is charging so much from the students is a willful deceit of Indian laws."

The American Embassy School must be among the most expensive schools in the country where lots of rich Indians send their wards to in the hope of securing a better future for them in the US years later.

See the AES fee structure. A pre-Kindergarten child is charged $10,310 annually in tuition fee, a Grade 6-8 student is charged $21,690 annually and a grade 11-12 student is charged $22,390. This is only tuition fees.

There are other fees like the application fee of $300 (which is non-refundable), a registration fee (KG-Grade 12) of $11,110, registration fee (pre-K) of $ 5,110 and English as an additional language (EAL) support fee of $ 2500. Then there is a lunch fee of $550.

Over and above all this, there is a bus fee too which ranges from $1,170 to 1,800, depending on the distance.

Sources have told this writer that what has stumped the Americans is that many of their diplomats have their spouses working in the American School or elsewhere but they have not been putting these incomes on record.

Moreover, when the AES started, the Indian government had given certain leverages and concessions to the Americans, including exempting the school and a particular number of its faculty members from income tax. The problem is that the Americans have unilaterally elongated the tax-exemption list sizably.{16 => 150}

There are many staffers in the US embassy in New Delhi, mostly Americans, who have been evading taxes as per Indian laws for years for the simple reason that Indian government has been turning a blind eye to this malpractice. However, the Devyani episode has forced India to call the Americans’ bluff.

The Americans were at the wrong end of the stick several years ago when the American School in Mumbai was found to be indulging in the same malpractices and as a result of the intervention of the Bombay High Court the Americans were made to shell out huge money (with arrears) to India.

The current scenario looks the same. The Americans are all set to be embarrassed as one of their major media flagships—New York Times—is expected to come up with a damning disclosure on the same lines.
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quote : Exclusive: US embassy staff under the lens for multi-year multi-crore tax evasion http://dlvr.it/4jNTQk

This thing is turning out to be more of an embarrassment. They are going to go into the death by a thousand meetings and death by a thousand cuts type of attrition which Babus can be famous for ! I suspect this thing will keep going on till Khobargade is acquitted. Methink's that they will have to finally aquit her and some fall guy will have to take the blame.Bets between Wayne or the Mark guy.PB will have some answering probably later to do and is also an easy fall guy .
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Given below is a summary of benefits available to overseas hired faculty. Please note that it is only a summary and candidates, once hired, will be given access to the Board Policy Manual.

Overseas-based, overseas-hired (OBOH) Faculty Summary of Benefits

Classification: OBOH - A member of the faculty/administrator based and hired overseas.

Contract Period: At the time of initial hiring two-year contract is offered.

Salary:

Scale: The Salary Schedule is based on individual's academic preparation as well as on prior professional experience in a K-12 US/International School.
Initial Placement: Prior full time experience is allowed up to a maximum of the equivalent of nine years (Step-9).
Payment: Salaries are paid in U.S. Dollars.

Taxes: U.S. national faculty members are exempted from Indian income tax, but are personally responsible for other tax liabilities, such as US Tax filing and FICA.

http://www.aes.ac.in/index.php?sec=97
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See the AES fee structure. A pre-Kindergarten child is charged $10,310 annually in tuition fee, a Grade 6-8 student is charged $21,690 annually and a grade 11-12 student is charged $22,390. This is only tuition fees.
Wow, this is the fee they charge in India? :), KVs used to charge 15 Rs quarterly(long back when I was at school).
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prasannasimha wrote:...
Taxes: U.S. national faculty members are exempted from Indian income tax, but are personally responsible for other tax liabilities, such as US Tax filing and FICA.

http://www.aes.ac.in/index.php?sec=97
As per media reports, only 16 positions in the American school were tax exempt. How is US claiming that every teacher's salary is tax exempt?
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^^
16 not 150.

Gaiya bhains pani me!!
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That is the crux - 16 positions now has become every person !!
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But why even 16? Does US allow some of the Indian diplomats' spouses to not pay taxes, if they do non-diplomatic work?
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Anyone has a list of faculty of AES. They will now try to fudge those documents or redact them ! The moment they do that they will get into more trouble as I bet the IT department and IB will already ahve the information ! The Moosoos will of course have already have alerted them by now.
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Director could be arrested on tax fraud/evasion . if congis have any shame left.

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Funny thing is I got a sudden unexpected port opening attempt on my desktop after this !
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