Understanding the US - Again

[Amber G.]

[Amber G.]

Big breaking: India announces ceasefire between trump and elon musk
Notably deals on Trump towers and Tesla were used to de-escalate the situation.

[Vayutuvan]

Fake? I doubt Modi ji would be this crass. In fact I am 100% sure he would not post such a Xweet on X or elsewhere.

[Vayutuvan]

Popcorn time?

I think you have to wait. Maybe for a long time.

[Vayutuvan]

A hateful politician trying to divide the community, Zohran K Mamdani
The religious, regional appeal for votes is a first in NY politics.

I hope his opposition plays this clip of this abuser of Rama .. as attack ads

Son of Mira Nair and graduate of Bowdoin College, Maine (a little ivy) as elite as any Harvardian. These are the true faces of DNC - anti-working class, anti-union, and anti-American manufacturing.

[Vayutuvan]

Trouble in MAGA-dise

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930703865801810022?s=19

Probably they fixed the match. Musk disagrees with Trump on subsidies to EVs so that the Climate alarmist, stridently vegan, and elitist democrat bi-coastal customers start buying his EVs. Trump comes off as a guy who does not have only yes men in his cabinet. He has mean and women in his cabinet who are free to disagree with him.

Everybody makes money. BTW KJeanP is now claiming that she is not democrat now that she has book deal.

[vera_k]

Agreed. Not a true fight unless Elon is deported for his student visa violations along with a check for $1000

[ricky_v]

Lel, the cope of a 4d chess, you cannot walk back comments of being a pedo and rping kids, that's not something that will go away from public memory

As a conjecture, based on what the orange one's closest advisor has said, we can determine how the pakis got to be in the good books, they already have an established tradition of bacchabazi and thousands of kids just lying about without any future, and on the other hand you have a strong barbarian with amoral appetites, it's match made in hell

I was thinking it was a regular horse trading, like throwing money and properties to the first family, never imagined such perversities displayed nakedly, the little paki children have bought freedom for their country with their bodies, again conjecture, not slander based on public statements from a close advisor

[Rudradev]

Donald Trump talks a lot but never actually does anything. Unless the Pakistanis, Chinese, or Qataris make a direct transfer to his family-owned WLF crypto fund... then he will roll over and do exactly as they want.

[chanakyaa]

...Probably they fixed the match...

My bet is that this is likely to be fixed match, may be, a much needed distraction to keep six pack Joe away from questioning "One Big Beautiful Bill", which will increase debt by $3-5 Trillion, more inflation, and stubbornly high interest rates, which is not desired. And, getting liberals back to EVs is a nice bonus.

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-estimate ... ssed-obbba

• Increase debt by nearly $3 trillion, or roughly $5 trillion if made permanent.

• Increase the deficit to 7.0 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by 2026.

• Double interest costs between 2024 and 2034 to $1.8 trillion (4.2 percent of GDP).

• Increase debt from 100 percent of GDP today to 124 percent of GDP by 2034, 129 percent of GDP if made permanent, and 133 percent if interest rates remain high.

• Significantly front-load costs and back-load savings such that nearly three-quarters of the official primary deficit impact would be in the first four years and a quarter.

[Amber G.]

Trouble in MAGA-dise

“The girls are fighting, aren't they?”

[saip]

Another Gem from Trumpverse:

“It begins with the critically important One Big Beautiful Bill that includes the LARGEST mandatory spending cut to the federal government in history (by almost 400%), the LARGEST tax cut in history, the LARGEST investment in border security in a GENERATION, along with arguably the STRONGEST collection of pro-growth provisions EVER passed,” Johnson continued.

That was Speaker Johnson.
I asked the AI:

Cutting expenditure by 400% is technically impossible. A percentage decrease indicates a reduction from an original value, with 100% representing spending reduced to zero. Exceeding this is not financially viable, as it suggests negative spending, which contradicts common financial practices.

[Vayutuvan]

All bicoastals are screaming their heads off. Probably this "Big Beautiful Bill" is raising their taxes, reducing deductions, and asking their state govts. to pony up the money for disaster relief and try to figure out to make their Medicare/Medicaid dollars be spent responsibly.

[Amber G.]

Agreed. Not a true fight unless Elon is deported for his student visa violations along with a check for $1000

Also

[saip]

Popcorn time?

I think you have to wait. Maybe for a long time.

When two bi**es fight it is ALWAYS popcorn time and I have abig jar. Let us hope Melania is also deported and Baron with Musk.

[A_Gupta]

The previous 400%-er was Pervez Musharraf.

Added: Trump holds the upper hand, e.g., he can nationalize SpaceX, he can deport Musk. Musk will back down.

[Lisa]

^ How do you nationalise a company in the US and where do you deport a US citizen to? Please!

[Mort Walker]

...Probably they fixed the match...

My bet is that this is likely to be fixed match, may be, a much needed distraction to keep six pack Joe away from questioning "One Big Beautiful Bill", which will increase debt by $3-5 Trillion, more inflation, and stubbornly high interest rates, which is not desired. And, getting liberals back to EVs is a nice bonus.

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-estimate ... ssed-obbba

• Increase debt by nearly $3 trillion, or roughly $5 trillion if made permanent.

• Increase the deficit to 7.0 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by 2026.

• Double interest costs between 2024 and 2034 to $1.8 trillion (4.2 percent of GDP).

• Increase debt from 100 percent of GDP today to 124 percent of GDP by 2034, 129 percent of GDP if made permanent, and 133 percent if interest rates remain high.

• Significantly front-load costs and back-load savings such that nearly three-quarters of the official primary deficit impact would be in the first four years and a quarter.

In 2 years, the US will default on US Treasury bonds held outside of UK, Japan & EU. India needs to divest itself from US Treasuries & any cash holdings physically in the US.

[Mort Walker]

^ How do you nationalise a company in the US and where do you deport a US citizen to? Please!

Listen to what people like Steve Bannon are saying. Basically use Defense Production Act to seize SpaceX assets.

[Tanaji]

^ How do you nationalise a company in the US and where do you deport a US citizen to? Please!

I think the concept of eminent domain would apply - Congress can simply pass an act transferring the ownership over and the only recourse would be to sue US government. I am not saying this would happen, but legal precedent exists.

Deporting US citizen- have no idea. They can always deport Elon to El Salvador and then simply refuse to bring him back saying he is lost - which is what the US has done lately with someone. Again, obviously won’t happen with Elon…

[Lisa]

^ How do you nationalise a company in the US and where do you deport a US citizen to? Please!

Listen to what people like Steve Bannon are saying. Basically use Defense Production Act to seize SpaceX assets.

One needs to understand that there is a court system in the US. What sort of lawful reason will be given in view of the fact that the matter is in the public domain? What sort of faliure or risk is the US govenment going to show or explain to the US courts?

Bannon=Wishful thinking.

[Amber G.]

To understand the US - this says it all.
(People may remember it is coming from "father" of Kash Patel...

[A_Gupta]

^ How do you nationalise a company in the US and where do you deport a US citizen to? Please!

Musk immigrated from South Africa. He worked while on a F1 (student) visa. He is technically deportable back to South Africa.

“President Woodrow Wilson is the U.S. president who famously nationalized an industry. Specifically, he ordered the federal government to take control of the railroad system during World War I. This action, taken in 1917, aimed to ensure a smooth transportation network for wartime needs. He also nationalized the telegraph and telephone systems in 1918, following congressional approval. ”

[Amber G.]

To understand the US - this says it all.
(People may remember it is coming from "father" of Kash Patel...

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For those who do not know - and before some one comments - the viral tweet was :
"

When Kashu and Vivek were small they would play together in the parking lot while I was working in the motel.
Now Kashu is director of the FBI and Vivek is helping clean up the government with DOGE.
So proud of my son and his friends "

— Dr. Parik Patel, BA, CFA, ACCA Esq. (@ParikPatelCFA)


This tweet referred to Kash Patel as "Kashu" and claimed that he and Vivek Ramaswamy were childhood friends. The account, known for Desi dad humor, is a parody and not actually related to Kash Patel. However, the tweet went viral, amassing millions views, and even led to many ddms (like TOI) (and MAGA outlets) mistakenly identifying Dr. Parik Patel as Kash Patel's father before issuing corrections.

[A_Gupta]

Long list of US nationalizations of industries or specific companies can be found here: wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... by_country

[A_Gupta]

Details of Musk’s immigration violations
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartande ... on-system/

He was out of status for a year.

Under Trump an Indian girl who was out of status for three days, went back to India, got a new student visa, was placed in indefinite detention when she tried to reenter.

Of course the arbitrary application of the laws do not apply to white male billionaires, unless of course Trump is very determined.

[pravula]

He is a US citizen now. His citizenship has to be revoked before he can be deported. There are provisions to do so under certain circumstances, like lying on his citizenship paperwork etc and has been done in the past. But that was for a person who was a nazi jailer iirc

[Vayutuvan]

http://www.iimamericas.org/roopa.html

It is a very short piece which covers all the difficulties returning to India for PIOs. I quoting it in full below with minor format changes and my own highlighting.

Rupa. K. Bose
A non-resident Indian's India
Rupa Bose, an IIM A alumnus, is a consultant, specializing in international business who frequently blogs at http://rupabose.com/

In the 1970s, India’s economy was growing 3-5% annually, and most opportunities were abroad. Perhaps half of our IIMA class has been overseas for at least some part of their careers. Many intended to go back to India; but most have not.

What makes a return so difficult?

Two things: we’ve changed, and India has changed.
The Delhi I grew up in and left behind was a sort of idealized bucolic place that exists in my memory, and may never actually have been. Bombay – not Mumbai then - was exciting and artistic, vibrant and accessible, a desi distillation of New York. India is even more exciting and vibrant now. Like many NRIs, I love visiting India, seeing friends, family, the sights, chasing down memories.

What stops us moving back?

The overwhelming irritations of inconvenience and pollution? Living in India, it was taken for granted that we’d cope with water shortages, power shortages, dirty air and streets, and poverty around us. It was part of the texture of life. Nowadays, it’s more crowded, with more pressure on the infrastructure, and the traffic problems traditionally associated with Kolkata are now true of every major city. Having lived away for so many years, it does bother me. I don't want it to, but until I’m acclimatized again, it will.

The differences in how things get done?

Connections, facilitation payments, ways to beat the system, ways to cope. Many I spoke to said it's only getting worse. I’m not trying to make an ethical judgment. Every society privileges certain ways of doing things. But it means re-learning a cultural language of coping, rebuilding the network of connections that allow effective functioning.

Finally, and possibly critically: Our American children?

Our children, growing up here, are not Indian kids. They may decide to live in India; I know some who have. But more likely, they identify as American, and don't want to move. They have lives here, and commitments.
Sometimes, I wonder about a parallel life in which we never left India, never became de-acclimatized. A part of me is forever lodged in Delhi and Mumbai, whether the real city or the imaginary ones. Then again, I've loved and left a number of cities all over the world. Perhaps one of the issues of moving worlds is a permanent state of mild nostalgia.

NB: This is here because "Understanding the USA" is a superset of "Understanding PIOs in the US". All of us our own lived experiences, our socioeconomic-religio-political biases, ...
"Understanding the US" is a gestalt of our own understanding of the US.

[Vayutuvan]

He is a US citizen now. His citizenship has to be revoked before he can be deported. There are provisions to do so under certain circumstances, like lying on his citizenship paperwork etc and has been done in the past. But that was for a person who was a nazi jailer iirc

Now democrats are closing the ranks around Musk, the unelected policy maker.

कहीं पे निगाहें, कहीं पे निशाना - Kahin Pe Nigahen, Kahin Pe Nishaana

Trump is talking against Musk, but he will take action against the his target - Ilhan Omar.

[Vayutuvan]

I think you have to wait. Maybe for a long time.

When two bi**es fight it is ALWAYS popcorn time and I have abig jar. Let us hope Melania is also deported and Baron with Musk.

I exhausted all my stock of popcorn on David Hogg vs DNC (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hogg#DNC_Vice_Chair) ., Jake Tepper vs Megyn Kelly, Jake Tepper vs DNC, Biden Autopen pardons, AOC vs moderates democrats whom I like, ...

[Vayutuvan]

Listen to what people like Steve Bannon are saying. Basically use Defense Production Act to seize SpaceX assets.

Does this guy have any more political capital left with Trump and GOP? IDK, but my guess is not.

[Vayutuvan]

To understand the US - this says it all.
(People may remember it is coming from "father" of Kash Patel...

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/c ... _cfa_acca/

Esteemed members of BRF who are supposed to make everybody "Understand the US" have been reduced promoting an "Australian guy running a hedge fund in New York". This is what is passing as a well researched and thought out "serious" post. Wah wah. You are making us all proud with your maturity and intellect.

[Vayutuvan]

Under Trump an Indian looking girl young person (FTFY) who was out of status for three days, went back to India, got a new student visa, was placed in indefinite detention when she tried to reenter.

Of course the arbitrary application of the laws do not apply to white male billionaires, unless of course Trump is very determined.

Are you talking about the Columbia student who self-deported to Kannedda? The same one who was leading anti-semitic protests with "cheen ke lenge azzadi, pyaar se lenge azaadi, ..."?

Mind boggles thinking about how low folks suffering from TDS can go. The same people want us to believe that they are for the middle class Americans of any stripe while sipping single malts, mimosas, and/or virtue signal being vegan while supporting pork belly gorging bapitist KDs and demented hair sniffers.

[Vayutuvan]

He is a US citizen now. His citizenship has to be revoked before he can be deported. There are provisions to do so under certain circumstances, like lying on his citizenship paperwork etc and has been done in the past. But that was for a person who was a nazi jailer iirc

Nobody would be able to deport all those Indian commies who are in Hasse school of Business (doing busy work, nodoubt) who surely would have lied on their visa applications. In fact, they might have been told to lie by their handlers in the SDOTUS.

[A_Gupta]

pravula wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025 07:44 pm
He is a US citizen now. His citizenship has to be revoked before he can be deported. There are provisions to do so under certain circumstances, like lying on his citizenship paperwork etc and has been done in the past. But that was for a person who was a nazi jailer iirc

No, not just that.
This is from 2018.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/indian- ... ent%20said.

New York: A naturalized American from India has been stripped of his US citizenship, the first case under a government initiative designed to clamp down on fraudulent immigration, widened under the Trump administration.

Baljinder Singh, 43, from Carteret, New Jersey became a naturalized citizen in 2006 after marrying his American wife.

But he arrived in the United States in 1991, flying into San Francisco without travel documents or proof of identity, giving his name as Davinder Singh, the Justice Department said.

He dodged a subsequent court hearing and was ordered to be deported in January 1992.

A month later he filed for asylum under the name Baljinder Singh, which he then abandoned after getting married.

Last Friday, a federal judge in New Jersey revoked his naturalization, reverting him back to lawful permanent resident, which means that he can be subject to removal proceedings.

"I hope this case, and those to follow, send a loud message that attempting to fraudulently obtain US citizenship will not be tolerated," said US Citizenship and Immigration Services Director Francis Cissna, a Trump administration appointee.

The Justice Department said it was the first denaturalization under Operation Janus, a long-running Department of Homeland Security initiative against fraudulent immigration.

A further look:

Here’s the story: In 1991, a 17-year-old Punjabi male with no travel documentation arrived in California seeking asylum. He was taken into custody, and a translator recorded his name as Davinder Singh. At his request, he was released to friends in New Jersey and ordered to appear in court in January 1992. When he didn’t show up to court on the day he was directed to appear, the court issued a deportation order. We don’t know if he left the country.

Less than a month later, someone with the same set of fingerprints but the name Baljinder Singh filed for asylum in the same New Jersey court. The court found that the case had enough merit to proceed. Eventually, Baljinder Singh became a citizen.

More than 25 years later, the government, under Operation Janus, matched the two sets of fingerprints and alleged that Singh intentionally used a fraudulent identity to get a second chance to seek asylum and get citizenship. In January 2018, the government officially revoked his citizenship.

At first glance, this case may seem straightforward.

But in an article forthcoming in the New York University Law Review, we explain how the discrepancy in name could have easily resulted from a translator’s error rather than from intentional fraud.

We don’t know exactly what happened to Singh. We have not been able to locate him, and no news articles about his case include interviews with him.

However, the evidence shows that the way denaturalization cases are being litigated makes it difficult for the justice system to distinguish between fraud and bureaucratic error.

For example, Singh lost his citizenship without ever appearing in court to defend himself, either personally or through an attorney. Our review of the 2017-18 court records reveals it’s possible he didn’t know a denaturalization case had been filed against him.

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/trum ... tizenship/

[A_Gupta]

Are you talking about the Columbia student who self-deported to Kannedda? The same one who was leading anti-semitic protests with "cheen ke lenge azzadi, pyaar se lenge azaadi, ..."?

Contemptible.

We learned of this girl's detention because of someone else who was detained but released after 3 weeks or so.
This following is a second-hand report: https://medium.com/blog/what-its-like-t ... e1c46f8de1

[vera_k]

Consensus is that Elon and Kimbal are safe from deportation. Because Biden's successor will not, nor will Trump for running counter to their political platforms. But I hope to see Deport Elon signs at the weekly protests near my home next week.

[A_Gupta]

^^^ Agreed. Nevertheless, a popcorn article:
https://sfstandard.com/2025/06/06/elon- ... on-threat/

“To paraphrase the obnoxious and misleading public service announcements of the secretary of Homeland Security: Leave now, and maybe you’ll be able to come back again in the future,” said Bill Ong Hing, a professor and associate dean at the University of San Francisco School of Law.

[Vayutuvan]

Are you talking about the Columbia student who self-deported to Kannedda? The same one who was leading anti-semitic protests with "cheen ke lenge azzadi, pyaar se lenge azaadi, ..."?

Contemptible.

We learned of this girl's detention because of someone else who was detained but released after 3 weeks or so.
This following is a second-hand report: https://medium.com/blog/what-its-like-t ... e1c46f8de1

Let us not call grown up women "girls". That is quite demeaning.

My point is that people slip through the cracks in any large legal system unless the bar is 0% error. That is an unachievable ideal. All said and done, US immigration system is fairer than most European countries' systems.

I had to register with the local police within 24-48 hours of landing AT Schiphol, back in 1983-84 time frame. Even though I had Benelux visa, had I wanted to visit Paris (which I wanted to actually), I would have had to get my visa in India, not at French consulate in Amsterdam. Very strict on legal immigrants. Similarly SWitzerland (who instituted women's suffrage in 1974 ) admitted thousands of putatively "Sri Lankan" asylum seekers and were given royal treatment while a friend of mine got her boyfriend - an AA - after finishing her studies at UCLA home. Swiss rule at that time was that if a swiss man marries a foreigner, foreigner gets work visa and is on the way to citizenship but vice versa (gender wise) then there is no provision. Interestingly, all the "Sri Lankan" (I met some of them and low down was that many of them were Indian Tamils) asylum seekers were married to swiss women. My friend used to hopping mad about the Swiss patriarchy.

[Vayutuvan]

Are you talking about the Columbia student who self-deported to Kannedda? The same one who was leading anti-semitic protests with "cheen ke lenge azzadi, pyaar se lenge azaadi, ..."?

Contemptible.

What is contemptible? 1) My post, 2) the behavior of that Columbia student, or 3) my pointing out that calling a grown woman "girl" is misogynistic?

If the answer is 1) please support your assertion logically by restating my post as you wish.