Indian Army History Thread

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Ranj_K » 13 May 2019 12:44

I was reading about this battle a few months ago and was interested to see that there were about 10 battalions of the Royal Nepal army taking part which I was unaware of.
I thought the only Nepalese were in the Indian army Gurkha regiments.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby ParGha » 13 May 2019 17:46

“India” was an ambiguous concept then — Nepal was little different than any other Indian princely state (Hyderabad, Mysore, J&K, etc), and all were expected to do their feudal duty and contribute troops.

In 1950s everyone fully expected India to formally incorporate Nepal as a state, especially after the plebiscite in Tawang. India had even more in common with Nepal than Tawang (or later Sikkim), so it was thought logical that it would join as a state. The Nepali National Congress had even invited Indian election officers to being work on the polling. Then reactionary elements in Kathmandu (mainly the Rana faction), supported by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) in the Indian plains, nixed it with their delusions of a “Hindu rashtra” ruled by a benevolent autocrat. Nepal remained a closed and backward country, and is now dangerously slipping fully into ChiCom orbit.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby siqir » 13 May 2019 18:41

even indians still getting whitewashed out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCzTO5o88zg

video is nhk docu on the imphal kohima battle broadcast 2017

they project it as loss to brits only

and even got a local singing a patriotic japanese war song
letting the mask slip a bit there lol

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Lalmohan » 13 May 2019 19:29

japanese wanted to portray it as a fight against imperialism and encourage large scale revolt in the BIA (spurred by the INA) and in the general population. therefore it was important to them to portray it as a fight against whites (indians not involved so no question of fratricidal civil war)
for most of the whites, especially those higher up, indians only provided manpower and were irrelevant to the bigger picture
it was in both sides interest to whitewash indians out

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Indian jungle green uniforms to Royal Nepal army 1944-Kohima ?

Postby Ranj_K » 14 May 2019 13:28

Just been reading about the battle of Kohima-Imphal 1944 and see that some battalions of the Royal Nepal army (RNA) also fought, which was unknown to me.
I know the 1930s RNA had uniforms like the Indian army gurkha regiments,khaki drill uniform.
But what uniform was worn by the RNA at Kohima 1944 ? The old uniform and equipment or the Indian produced jungle green shirt and trousers with the 1937 webbing ( or early WW1 type pattern) equipment ?
The only undated photo i have found ( from the Dr Prem Basnyat Nepalese army history website) may show the jungle green uniform, but not too sure.
Anyone have information or photos of the RNA at Kohima-Imphal 1944 ?

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Re: Indian jungle green uniforms to Royal Nepal army 1944-Kohima ?

Postby Ranj_K » 14 May 2019 13:47

The Basnyat website-

http://www.premsinghbasnyat.com.np/

To see the photo , click on 'gallery' at top of page,the photo is the third one down in the left column.
But it shows as WW1 rather than WW2, the bren guns are a clue.

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Re: Indian jungle green uniforms to Royal Nepal army 1944-Kohima ?

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 14 May 2019 13:48

Interesting information. Suggest you take this to the Indian Army History thread rather than start a new thread.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Ranj_K » 14 May 2019 21:45

Ok I'll do that, thanks.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby vsunder » 14 May 2019 23:15

The definitive history book about this battle is by John Colvin, Not Ordinary Men. He has searched the war diaries, and dispatches and taken oral and written testimony of both sides Japanese and Allied. He has also gone through the Japanese military records and the book has a very large list of his sources. Gorkha battalions figured prominently in this battle and is represented a lot in the bibliography. The book to my memory did not have any specific reference to the contributions of the Nepalese battalions. Perhaps chasing down the biblio might mention the contributions. A partial list of the biblio is

War Diaries: 3/1 and 4/15 Gorkha, Dispatches Maj. R. B. Houston 10th Gorkha,

Oral testimony: Capt. J. Patrick, 1/7 Gorkha

Records of 3/1 Gorkhas, part of 33 Brigade.

This is a partial list of the records of just the Gorkha battalions used by the author. The list of Indian Army battalion records used by the author is quite immense and forbidding.

https://www.amazon.com/Not-Ordinary-Men ... 0850529670

The book should be read in tandem with the curtain raiser The Battle of Sanghsak by H. Seaman (who was also interviewed by John Colvin for his book) that bloodied our Paras for the first time.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Lalmohan » 15 May 2019 13:41

Battle at Sangshak is a good read, and with hindsight probably a major factor in the eventual victory at Kohima, despite it being a holding operation
at the time it was not always seen +vely

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby jaysimha » 23 May 2019 14:49

https://www.indembassyisrael.gov.in/gallery?id=boYje
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Commemoration ceremony of Lt Gen Jack Farj Rafael Jacob, 30 April 2019


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