UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby Rakesh » 04 Feb 2020 00:53

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12243 ... 31875?s=20 ---> @hvtiaf Sir....here is a concept image of a possible HTFE25 powered HALE drone, something like the RQ4 Global Hawk. Does HAL plans to design such drones in near future?

https://twitter.com/hvtiaf/status/12243 ... 31875?s=20 ---> Yes definitely. Higher speed Drones.

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Postby Rakesh » 04 Feb 2020 01:10

Synergy among stakeholders must to power India’s UAV missions
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Postby Ankit Desai » 04 Feb 2020 01:39

Soon, tech that can aid forces in ‘beyond enemy lines’ operations

A special personnel tracker being developed for 'strategic use' holds the potential of aiding India’s armed forces sent on ‘beyond the enemy lines’ operations in the future, and the fact that the new technology is completely indigenous will mean more secrecy.

As part of its Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System (IRNSS), the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) has developed the technology for the said personnel tracker, and transferred the same to Defense PSU Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL).

This technology is not part of the regular chipsets or other receivers developed as part of IRNSS programme. This will be part of ‘Restricted Service’ (IRNSS-RS), developed specifically for strategic users of the country, a source from the department of space, said.

Isro has been quiet about this technology, which has been in the works for at least 18 months now. One official Isro document that partially explains this and other IRNSS-RS technologies, reads: “The IRNSS–RS provides location navigation service with anti-spoofing technology for authorized users. Personnel Tracker gives position information in TDMA mode of operation.”

TDMA or time-division multiple access mode — which separates users according to time — ensures that there will be no interference from simultaneous transmissions, while anti-spoofing technology prevents traffic from false sources (IP addresses).

In a written reply to TOI on whether it was developing a personnel tracker, BEL said: “BEL has signed an agreement with Isro for development of a two-way reporting terminal and personnel tracker based on IRNSS. The two-way reporting terminal will be used to track the position of fishing vessels and reporting emergencies. The personnel tracker will be a one way reporting terminal for reporting the position of person/vehicle based on IRNSS.”

Elaborating on this, sources said given that IRNSS covers the entire sub-continent region, if a team of armed forces personnel “were on a job on the other side (of the border), their commanders back home will know their exact position at all times.”

The Isro document further read: “The tracker supports small message as well as data transfer through satellite and USB/Bluetooth user data interface. This tracker will be used to track the person in the field of operation in situations like disaster rescue operation, surveillance etc.”

When asked a specific question on its uses in “beyond enemy lines” operations, Isro chairman K Sivan told TOI: “I don’t want to elaborate on this question as it is a strategic project.” On the benefits of tracking ships and personnel, he said: “It has complete strategic uses, we shouldn’t discuss it now.”

Sources said that the fact this technology would be working on completely indigenous technology, including the satellite used to get the location — longitude and latitude — makes it more suitable for such operations.

Before IRNSS, while India could, using its remote sensing satellites map areas of operation/s, it had to depend on foreign resources like the GPS for location and navigation services. “Now, the data will remain with us and only us,” another source said.

Apart from this technology, BEL, working jointly with Isro has developed a portable IRNSS Receiver for navigation applications. “As an offshoot of this programme, BEL has developed variants based on IRNSS-RS receiver functionality such as PTS (Precision Time Servers) in both rack mount and wall mount form factors and receivers with Map-based navigation application.”


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Postby Thakur_B » 04 Feb 2020 19:29

HAL ties up with IAI to manufacture Heron TP in India. RIP Tapas/Rustom.

HAL to make advanced armed UAVs with Israeli Co
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 887330.cms
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Postby manjgu » 04 Feb 2020 21:55

not a aerospace engineer but what fails me is ... we can design space rockets/satellites/Tejas / etc but cant make a UAV !! whats missing??

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Postby agupta » 04 Feb 2020 23:08

manjgu wrote:not a aerospace engineer but what fails me is ... we can design space rockets/satellites/Tejas / etc but cant make a UAV !! whats missing??



Really ? It's mysterious to me why this is so mysterious. Isn't it quite simple.. variation in competence. Don't we see it around us everywhere - especially in the public sector ?

Existence of islands of excellence/plenty does not imply every island is bountiful... does having AIIMS mean every government hospital has the same capability ? So having an ISRO does not imply that ADE will/can rise to a similar level... hell, having an ADA/HAL team firing on "all" cylinders (Tejas) did not correlate with their track record on HPT32RCA/IJT and only now they're crawling out of the deep hole with HTT-40 (fingers crossed)

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Postby Ankit Desai » 10 Feb 2020 23:57

Battle Cry | Why Does India Need Combat Drones? Ghatak - New armed drone on horizon.



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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby sum » 17 Feb 2020 13:38

Any updates on any of the UAV programs since zilch news on any over these 1-2 years ?

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Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2020 06:34

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/123 ... 16352?s=20 ----> BIG: The President made it clear in his scripted speech today that armed drones requested by India are very much part of ‘dealings’ at present. India has asked for at least 10 Avenger/Predator C drones, turned down by the Obama Admin.

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Postby kit » 25 Feb 2020 15:53

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1231944195356516352?s=20 ----> BIG: The President made it clear in his scripted speech today that armed drones requested by India are very much part of ‘dealings’ at present. India has asked for at least 10 Avenger/Predator C drones, turned down by the Obama Admin.

looks like the deal is done, for 10+10+10, for each service in different configurations., but i do worry about spending nearly 200 million a pop (more than a fighter jet) when their survivability is in question against a well defended air space, we are not going after the mullahs or a rag tag militia.

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Postby Rony » 03 Mar 2020 20:12

X-post from Levent crises thread

In the Syrian civil war, Turkey is using its indigenous drones to target Syrian govt targets. Expect the Turks to export some of them to Pakis .

Turkey’s Killer Drone Swarm Poses Syria Air Challenge to Putin

Turkish drones – a 'game changer' in Idlib

Russian War Correspondent Sheds Light on Turkey's Drone Warfare in Idlib

Turkish drones being used in Syria reportedly include the TAI Anka family of drones, which have a weapons payload of up to 200 kg, as well as the Bayraktar TB2, a long-endurance UAV armed with anti-tank missiles.

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Postby Krishnakg » 04 Mar 2020 16:48

Turkish UAV's destroyed a Russian-made BUK-M2 (SA-17) medium-range air defense missile system as the regime attempted to pull it out of the conflict zone in Saraqib. https://t.co/H3jZ7QFBCQ

Earlier, Turkish armed UAV's destroyed another Russian-made Pantsir S1 (SA-22) air defense system which had an active radar in Serakib.

Turkish forces are definitely using armed drone swarms and electronic warfare effectively to control the large Idlib area. Noteworthy.

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Postby brar_w » 04 Mar 2020 21:35

Krishnakg wrote:Turkish UAV's destroyed a Russian-made BUK-M2 (SA-17) medium-range air defense missile system as the regime attempted to pull it out of the conflict zone in Saraqib. https://t.co/H3jZ7QFBCQ

Earlier, Turkish armed UAV's destroyed another Russian-made Pantsir S1 (SA-22) air defense system which had an active radar in Serakib.

Turkish forces are definitely using armed drone swarms and electronic warfare effectively to control the large Idlib area. Noteworthy.


Turkey is using relatively cheap small to medium sized drones in that theater which isn't something new or innovative (though it is for them). They are most definitely NOT using drone swarms or anything of that nature which is a technology and capability that is probably half a decade to a decade out (at that scale/capability) even for the most technologically advanced nations.

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Postby Krishnakg » 05 Mar 2020 22:42

They are most definitely NOT using drone swarms


I agree with you, in your correction of me using the word "drone swarm". Precisely defined, drone swarms are “multiple unmanned platforms and/or weapons deployed to accomplish a shared objective, with the platforms and/or weapons autonomously altering their behavior based on communication with one another" according to net sources.

What I was trying to communicate was that they are flying multiple drones (not autonomous or in sync with each other) simultaneously and continuously hitting the Syrian columns and convoys.

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Postby Manish_P » 25 Apr 2020 12:33

Talent at the grass-roots level. Needs to find a way into our existing systems & the private sector

This young lad in another recent interview to a local TV channel said that he wanted to focus on creating a drone vehicle to aid the army in COIN ops


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Postby Parasu » 28 Apr 2020 15:50

Here are some details on the Turkish UAV programme, their usage, capabilities etc.
Clearly, they are way ahead of India with one fourth defence budget.
Their drones are duelling with Chinese drones (Wing Loong2 used by UAE) in Libya.

https://jamestown.org/program/turkeys-d ... ver-idlib/

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Apr 2020 15:55

Turkey has a record of Photo shopping Drone achievements as recently in Syria, so need to compare with India and self flagalate.

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Postby Krita » 28 Apr 2020 16:56

Manish_P wrote:Talent at the grass-roots level. Needs to find a way into our existing systems & the private sector

This young lad in another recent interview to a local TV channel said that he wanted to focus on creating a drone vehicle to aid the army in COIN ops


Driverless tractor testing started way back in 2015 in Mahindra research valley. Four years are over and still no sign of commercial launch.
Mahindra and TCS needs to get such talented people on board.

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Postby Manish_P » 28 Apr 2020 17:48

^ Mahindra, TCS... and perhaps DRDO?

The reason i put this video was his mentioning a desire to make remote tanks. Very ambitious perhaps, but in another interview (to a local channel) he mentioned his specific desire to make a ROV to aid the army in Anti-Terrorist/COIN ops.

Now I don't mean this specific young man, or his specific project per se. What i am trying to say is that the sense & skill of engineering/jugaad/screwdrivergiri, whatever you would like to label it, needs to be inculcated, nurtured and then tapped into. Make in India need not be only at a large company level. It needs to be at the grassroots level, like the startup culture of the US IT scene.

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Postby Parasu » 28 Apr 2020 20:19

Aditya_V wrote:Turkey has a record of Photo shopping Drone achievements as recently in Syria, so need to compare with India and self flagalate.

Credit should be given where its due. Turkey has done good for itself both in Syria as well as in Libya using drones. In contrast, India has not developed effective UAVs till date. These are facts.
Saying anything less than "India is a super duper power" is termed self-flagellation these days.

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Postby Mollick.R » 07 May 2020 13:24

13 consortia get aviation ministry approval to operate drones
BY ALNOOR PEERMOHAMED, ET BUREAU | UPDATED: MAY 07, 2020, 08.20 AM IST

BENGALURU: The Ministry of Civil Aviation (MoCA) has granted exemptions to 13 consortia to operate drones on an experimental basis, without the need for unique identification numbers and operator permits till September 30.

The move paves the way for these consortia, which include ones floated by budget airline SpiceJet, Nandan Nilekani-backed ShopX, Google-backed Dunzo and drone maker Throttle Aerospace, to pilot the use of drones to transport goods, once approved. The pilots will be part of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation’s (DGCA) beyond visual line of sight (BVLOS) experimental drone operations, for which it had floated an expression of interest in May 2019.

Eleven out of the 13 consortia are awaiting final approvals from the DGCA, while ET had reported on March 19 that the consortia floated by Dunzo and Throttle Aerospace had received the authority's nod for the BVLOS experiments.

It is considered necessary in the public interest to conduct the BVLOS experimental flights, even though the drones to be deployed for such flights may not meet the requirements of UIN and Operator Permit stipulated under Rule 15A of the Aircraft Rules, 1937,” according to the MoCA’s April 18 order, which ET has seen.
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It will also be conducted in airspace approved by the Airports Authority of India and will have to be geo-fenced to ensure that they do not stray beyond the approved airspace boundary, the order said.

Other consortia that have been exempted include Aerospace Industry Development Association of Tamil Nadu, Asteria Aerospace, Clearsky Flight Consortium, Daksha Unmanned Systems, Sagar Defence Engineering, Saubika Consortium and Value Thought IT Solutions.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/13-consortia-get-ministry-approval-to-operate-drones/articleshow/75585314.cms

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Postby Manish_P » 15 May 2020 18:45

This post from the J&K thread in the strategy forums was a very tough read.

While the SOPs are getting continually updated, wanted to know, from a tech pov, if any micro drones are in development in our defence labs and whether we can consider purchasing them from outside till we can create them here?

Drones like the Black Hornet being tried in the USA

https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=2432128

krishna_krishna wrote:Posting this on Handwara

Saturday, May 2 (1500 hours (approx.): Indian army receive intel, a group of militants that escaped from Rajwar forests a day before have taken refuge in a two storey house in Changimulla, in the foot of the forest, 1.4 miles (approx.) from the location where first standoff with militants took place on previous day. Indian security forces launch a cordon and search ops in the village. 21-RR, 15-RR, 30-RR, 22-RR, 92-CRPF, Para-9 and J&K Police’s SOG take part in the ops. The joint-ops is led by Colonel Ashutosh Sharma, Major Anuj and sub-inspector SOG, Qazi Sagheer, two of them decorated counterinsurgency specialists with decades of experience working in counterinsurgency ops in Kashmir.

Saturday, May 2 (1530 hours (approx.): The target-house is located and contact with militants is established. A fierce gun battle rages, exchange of fire takes from both sides. Indian army used assault rifles, UBGLs, recoilless launchers against the holed up militants. The firefight ‘ends’ and there is a long enduring lull, long enough to give Indian security forces assurance and confidence that all militants were neutralised and encounter was over. Indian security forces chose not to blow up the house in usual way or burn it down to ashes like it is usually done in encounters in Kashmir. They may have tried to save the poor carpenter’s house presuming militants were dead already and no further action was required. When militants don’t resist for long, are neutralised in initial stages of the gunfight, the house is spared.

1830 hours (approx.): Indian security forces lead by Colonel Sharma, Major Anuj and sub-inspector Qazi approached the target-house to check on the presumed ‘dead’ militants, a miscalculation, an error in judgement that would cost them dearly. As soon as they came closer to the target-house, a lone militant, out of nowhere, emerged from an abutting single storey structure and fired indiscriminately at them. The spray-down from his Kalashnikov hit four men, Major Anuj, two soldiers and sub-inspector Qazi, two of them above neck, two in the wings and abdomen.

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Postby Hiten » 24 May 2020 07:51

Special Ops Forces Of The Indian Army Looking To Kit-Out With Tactical UAV Systems

An interesting development occurred last week. The Indian Army [IA] floated a Request For Information [RFI] [archive] towards the acquisition of 150 Nos. of micro Unmanned Aerial Systems [UAS], or Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems [RPAS]. Leaving no doubt about its end-use, it stated that the buy was to "enhance the situational awareness of squad and troop involved in various special operations tasks". These portable, light-weight systems, capable of Day-Night Surveillance, performing Vertical Take-Off & Landing [VTOL], having a gross weight of less than 15 Kilograms [6 kg for the Flying Unit], are required to have a range of no less than 5 Kilometres, fulfilling minimum mission time of 45 minutes over Area of Interest.


https://www.spansen.com/2020/05/special ... t-out.html

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Postby Manish_P » 24 May 2020 11:05

Good to hear this. I hope it will not be a long drawn out process.

However i would like the army to also consider buying/investing in the micro or even nano drones (like the Black Hornet drone in my previous post), weighing less than a kg, to be used at squad level, especially during COIN/Anti-terrorist ops.

It would be good if those kind, would be developed/manufactured in india by private firms or even organisations like the IITs


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