Sadler wrote:Here's my take, fwiw.
Sorry...but what is FWIW?
I keep reading that everywhere.
Sadler wrote:On the other hand, using the excuse of "spreading the gospel" to accost folks on the street by asking them "son, how'd you like to go to heaven?" is indefensible, biggoted and repugnant. For it presumes, for one that the non-christian target is not going to heaven, and therefore is presumably a sinner. How the duck can a christian (EJ) make such an utterance? And further, he/she may well think that the christian path, through JC, is the only way to salvation. But, the moment the christian says to a non-christian that the non-C is going to hell, there is a problem. That is the kind of "spread the gospel" that i disapprove.
Yes that is wrong approach to spreading the gospel. However as a Christian, one cannot deny that a non-belief in Jesus Christ can also lead you to heaven. But I will explain that in more detail at the very end of this post.
Sadler wrote:To sum: No problem if a person, from whatever religion or an atheist or agnostic, of his/her own free volition decides to change his/her religion.
Yes absolutely. That is a fundamental right granted to every individual. It is easy to "convert" (again even using that term is wrong and I will explain why later on) illiterate Indians into Christians by showing some healing magic. That is not Christianity. That is a hoax.
Sadler wrote:But, under no circumstances is it acceptable to accost people either on the street or on their own doorsteps, only to insult them. That's biggoted, pure and simple. And i dont care if JC Himself told his followers to do that.
Rest assured. Jesus Christ never asked his followers to do that.
Sadler wrote:Again, the question is: As a christian, do you believe (or are comfortable in believing) that Einstein and Gandhi because they were not christians are destined to go to hell, whereas a pedophile catholic priest will be with JC/God because he fervently believes in God and accepts that JC is his son.
Is Einstein in heaven, if he did not believe in Jesus Christ?
NO
Is Gandhi in heaven, if he did not believe in Jesus Christ?
NO
Is the pedophile catholic priest in heaven, although he claimed to believe in Jesus Christ?
STILL HELL NO
Sadler wrote:Once again, i am not asking you where they are right now. What i am asking you is whether you believe that they both are DESTINED for hell simply because they are not christians. And if yes, are you personally comfortable believing so. If yes, why yes? If not, why no?
Being born a Christian or even claiming to be a Christian, does not guarentee that you are saved. There is a very good sermon by Jonathan Edwards, titled
How To Know If You Are A Real Christian. I am not going to add anything more to what Jonathan Edwards has said below, as he explains it best;
http://www.puritansermons.com/sermons/edwards1.htm
Sadler, even Christians go to hell. You can't claim to believe in Christ and then go around & molest children. That makes no sense. God ain't a fool.
Sadler wrote:I have observed you answering questions so far very honestly. I believe that the question above is a toughie. Should you choose to pass, i can certainly respect your decision. Again, thanks and Shalom.
I am not passing up your question, as I did not understand what you were saying earlier. My apologies. Now to the issue of who is saved and who isn't. For that, you and I will have to imagine the following;
Scenario 1 - If you came up to me and asked me, "Hey Rakesh, you know I don't believe in Jesus Christ and salvation. That stuff makes no sense to me. Will I still go to heaven?" Now for me to look you in the eye and tell you yes, will be me going against the Word of God. So neither are you going to heaven and more importantly, neither am I. Because I knew what the truth was and I lied to you. Now it is up to you to accept it or reject it. I cannot force you to believe ANYTHING. Not because I can't, but I don't have that ability. I am not God and I can't play God, like the Evanjehadists do. On a personal (one-on-one) level, Scenario 1 is pretty straightforward. But not so, in Scenario 2.
Scenario 2 - If you took me to a temple and asked me, "Hey Rakesh, you see these 500 people in here all worshipping Vishnu. Do you think they are all going to hell?" My answer is I don't know. Now I am not avoiding your question or trying to be diplomatic. But just as I explained above, that I am not God...I cannot in good conscience tell you where they are going. Only God knows where those 500 people are going to land up. I can't comment on salvation with a large group of people. To even say that those 500 people are all going to heaven/hell would be akin to me having the foreknowledge of God, which is something I don't have.
So how can Evanjehadists tell you that Hindus are all going to hell? That concept makes no sense! They are lying to you!
And now - this is not just you for Sadler, but for everyone who is reading this - man
CANNOT and
DOES NOT convert his fellow man into Christianity. Conversion happens through God and through Him alone. All what man does is spread the Gospel. Do not be fooled by that bullsh!t. If God has the foreknowledge of who is going to be saved, then how can an Evanjehadist claim to have converted you? And the reason why I am telling all of you this, is because Evanjehadists want you to believe that they are performing acts of conversion. But in reality all they are doing within India, is "supposedly" healing people who are have ailments that cannot be physically seen (i.e. Cancer, AIDS, etc). And based on that healing magic they supposedly do, they want you to believe in Christ. He Himself never set that as a requirement for belief, then how can his so-called followers say it is! If their healing was really that true, then ask them to give a physically handicapped man (who is missing his legs) the ability to walk. Ask them to raise people from the dead. They cannot, because it is all a hoax. A lie. I end this post with the following;
Mathew 7:15 "Beware of
false prophets, which come to you in
sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are
ravening wolves."
Jesus Christ is referring to the Evanjehadists here.
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