Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby chola » 03 Jun 2020 16:42

Aditya_V wrote:Who will certify the Aircraft, we can't loose AIrforce personal and scientists like the AVRO incident in the 1990's, CHina probably covers up such crashes but in India unless the manufacturer will certify the Aircraft is safe to fly with the modifications and payload, nobody is going to fly in them.


That makes sense. But if the military orders you to do it for the betterment of the Motherland ... lol

Actually, Cheen couldn't cover up their AWACS disaster either, killed a lot more scientists and AF personnel than ours:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pe ... -200_crash

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby krishna_krishna » 05 Jun 2020 07:09

I don't think when IAF plans for A330 without due deligence, some research definitely would have gone sort of actual prototype, it also fits in MRTT commonality. We can get this now, saying legal issues stopping you from getting planes that are currently in your jurisdiction when a war is knocking your door and many more in near term is to describe something with loss of.words.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby nash » 09 Jun 2020 01:11

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 5346649088

3 delivered, 6 ordered and 20 planned.
But I am not finding anything of IAF order of 6 Netra.
Hard to say it is typo as it is coming from Retd Air Marshal.

Also, 500Km range and 9 hours endurance with one refueling.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby abhik » 09 Jun 2020 01:50

^^^
Because they have not been ordered.

Only useful number we can take from this (is at all) is that we need ~30 AWE/AWACS platforms in total.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby Neela » 09 Jun 2020 03:11

I wish the 29 number is true.
The possibility of export is also there for small countries in Africa,South America, Middle East, Balkans.


We have reached deployment already. Commoditize -> Include Capabilities/Features options->mass manufacture,->export.

An entire industry can be built out of this single platform .
And tonnes of money to be made for CABS.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby Kartik » 09 Jun 2020 04:36

I don't believe the IAF placed firm orders for 6 more Netra AEW&C with the EMB-145 jet. Or if they did, it somehow completely evaded all news.

The MoD supposedly did plan to retain the right to deal with Embraer, despite the blacklisting due to corruption charges. Whether that was ever changed into law from a draft policy is not known to me.

article link

Even so, the MoD and Service HQ retained the right to deal with the tainted firm in the name of national security. A draft of the policy has been pending with defence minister Manohar Parrikar for close to a year now.


A new platform would need to be found for Netra AEW&C if the IAF wants them while the AWACS-India program continues development. A new platform of course means quite a bit of development for integration, testing and certification. Which implies more time lost.

BTW, the article is wrong in the deal cost for the 3 EMB-145s. They were sold for $208 million and not $300 million as was claimed by the retired Air Marshal.

The best option is without a doubt, 6 more EMB-145 mounted Netra AEW&Cs to meet immediate needs. The remaining 20 could then be on a G650 or G550 or even mounted as a rotodome on a C-295.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby MeshaVishwas » 09 Jun 2020 05:02

This is an old proposal, even our VVIP fleet was expected to expand(Just 4 EMB-135 Legacy and 3 B-737-7HI BBJ aircraft with the VayuSena)
Here is the SP's article from way back when giving out the roadmap
http://www.sps-aviation.com/exclusive/? ... egacy-jets

Even Pakis have more VVIP jets than us.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby kit » 09 Jun 2020 12:43

MeshaVishwas wrote:This is an old proposal, even our VVIP fleet was expected to expand(Just 4 EMB-135 Legacy and 3 B-737-7HI BBJ aircraft with the VayuSena)
Here is the SP's article from way back when giving out the roadmap
http://www.sps-aviation.com/exclusive/? ... egacy-jets

Even Pakis have more VVIP jets than us.


priorities, what to expect of an army with a country !?

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby chola » 09 Jun 2020 13:38

abhik wrote:^^^
Because they have not been ordered.

Only useful number we can take from this (is at all) is that we need ~30 AWE/AWACS platforms in total.


The bulk of that should be Netras (unless we are thinking about 27 A330s which would bankrupt any military budget outside the US!)

That is why the lack of orders or even news is disconcerting. Netra had proved itself. There should be orders.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby ashishvikas » 09 Jun 2020 14:06

What happen if Chinese takeover Embraer ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embr ... SKBN2382AL

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby kit » 09 Jun 2020 14:46

ashishvikas wrote:What happen if Chinese takeover Embraer ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embr ... SKBN2382AL


the chinese do have competing products of their own, not quite sure why they are interested, maybe production tech ?

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby abhik » 09 Jun 2020 14:49

kit wrote:
ashishvikas wrote:What happen if Chinese takeover Embraer ?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-embr ... SKBN2382AL


the chinese do have competing products of their own, not quite sure why they are interested, maybe production tech ?


I think they have already moved past Embraer with their C919 and are now designing a wide body. Anyways Embraer depends on western players for engine and avionics so there is nothing to be gained in that department either.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby kit » 09 Jun 2020 15:18

abhik wrote:
kit wrote:
the chinese do have competing products of their own, not quite sure why they are interested, maybe production tech ?


I think they have already moved past Embraer with their C919 and are now designing a wide body. Anyways Embraer depends on western players for engine and avionics so there is nothing to be gained in that department either.



India could be a partner and their biggest customer !! .. the requirements are huge..potentially different types and the c390 can replace all of Indias odd AN 32s. ..hundreds of them and be an alternative to the C130 Hercules; their EJets could jumpstart India's domestic airports .. the potential seems huge, they could literally transplant their factories here and make a huge profit

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby Karan M » 11 Jun 2020 18:26

Interesting image here re: AWACS India program from recent Defexpo.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xyvDFoef9d4/ ... C00774.jpg

Shows a fabricated antenna panel already ready (apart from the radome) and being populated by TRMMs for testing. Also, GaN based S-TRMMs most likely.

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Re: Airborne Early Warning & Control: News & Discussion

Postby abhik » 11 Jun 2020 21:15

^^^
That chapati looks rather small on the A330 - with 10.2m x 2.2m major/minor diameter should give a surface area of ~12m^2 give or take a couple for each radar face.

The IAI EL/W-2085 on a much smaller platform (1/4th the size) should have at least ~8m^2 (eyeballing estimate) - of course with only 2 sides, instead of 4 equal sized ones (front and back have a smaller sized radar for 360 degree coverage)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 652%29.jpg


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