Here is a link to the Russkie copies of <BR>american cars. Note the resemblence of some of them to the legendary Buick 8 models.<BR> <A HREF="http://www.abc.se/~m9805/Oddcars/gaz/picture_eng.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.abc.se/~m9805/Oddcars/gaz/picture_eng.html</A> <P>One more link. Note the comment on the brakes, " apply brakes in moscow to stop in vladivostok !!! " <BR> <A HREF="http://digilander.iol.it/cuoccimix/ENGLISH-automotorusse6(gaz).htm" TARGET=_blank>http://digilander.iol.it/cuoccimix/ENGLISH-automotorusse6(gaz).htm</A> <BR><p>[This message has been edited by John Umrao (edited 03-08-2001).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raj Malhotra:<BR><B>Paul I have been dying to ask this q:-<P>If you want to achieve say LEO-II type of armor thickness what would a T-72 weigh with its smaller internal volume?<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>OK been out of town for a week , so heres the first part.<P>LEO-2A1=>A3<BR> looking at the armor mass as the reference I got <P><PRE><BR> LEO-1A3 surface area LEO-2 surface area<BR> volume weight front/rear volume weight front/rear <BR>Turret 4.2 m³ 12tons 1.9 m² 4.5 m³ 17tons 1.4 m²<BR>Hull 14m³ 30.5tons 3.9m² 14.2m³ 38tons 3.47 m²<BR></PRE> <BR>LEO-1A3 12/4.2 = 2.86 ton/m³ <BR>LEO-2 17/4.5 = 3.78 ton/m³ , so LEO-2 turret has ~ 1.32 times the LEO-1A3 density<P>LEO-2 turret has 1.9/1.4 = 1.36 [front/rear surface area difference] x 1.32 [above] = 1.795 times as much front/ rear armor mass.<P><PRE><BR> LEOPARD 1A3 LEOPARD - 2<BR>Armor thickness @ angle = LOS increase Armor thickness LOS <BR>Front turret 80mm @ 70° = 235mm x 1.795 = 422mm Steel<BR>Side turret 65mm @ 30° = 75mm x 1.32 = 99mm Steel <BR>Rear Turret 35mm @ 20° = 38mm x 1.795 = 68mm steel <BR>Top Turret 25mm = 25mm x 1.32 = 33mm steel <BR></PRE><P>So to get the 42cm from the T-72s 37-38cm on the main 2/3 of the turret profile and 20cm on the upper 1/3 of the profile, you need to increase the turret armor mass by <P>2 x 42/38 1.1<BR>1 x 42/20 2.1<BR>Average about 1.45 times the armor mass , but the T-72 turret only weights about 6 tons due to the small weight.So in short to bring the turret armo up to the LEO-2 density would require a 3 ton increase in the turret.<P>But armor mass is only half the battle they also have to get the tech that goes with it to convert RHA into Chobham type armor. I gather the key is in the way these are manufactured that makes it all worth while!<BR><p>[This message has been edited by Paul Lakowski (edited 06-08-2001).]
1 more pic of the Al-Khalid, I havent seen this 1 before.<BR> <A HREF="http://host7.hrwebservices.net/~pakdef/forums/attachment.php?s=be918a26537288fb90426052b54960a8&postid=11313" TARGET=_blank>http://host7.hrwebservices.net/~pakdef/forums/attachment.php?s=be918a26537288fb90426052b54960a8&postid=11313</A> <P>------------------<BR>Nandai<P>Since time began,<BR>the dead alone know peace.<BR>Life is like melting snow.
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